I d take home over Penix if for no other reason than medicals. Penix is talented but he scares me. And everyone keeps saying he s a Broncos pick. Well why not a Giants pick? Every QB has some warts but he had a pretty good year. I m reading he's smart and I know watching him he sure is mobile. I don't get it.
It seems that THEY aren't paying a whole lot of attention.
Don't get me wrong - I'm a big Nix fan, so I'd be happy if they got him - but he's clearly a notch below the top 4. Unless they trade back, drafting him at 6 seems like a big reach...
I d take home over Penix if for no other reason than medicals. Penix is talented but he scares me. And everyone keeps saying he s a Broncos pick. Well why not a Giants pick? Every QB has some warts but he had a pretty good year. I m reading he's smart and I know watching him he sure is mobile. I don't get it.
Interesting that he hasn't been there yet, isn't it?
with Josh Allen, and Nix seems to share the fewest.
This is a big part of it. It's not all about Josh Allen and that can be overstated. But I do think this regime understands the value in a QB with traits that impact the game. That having a serviceable starting QB isn't enough to win championships. A big part of Daboll's vision for this offense, IMO, is what we have been lacking all along. An explosive vertical passing game. That's no Bo Nix.
It was really good and they talked some X’s and O’s, taking about the pressure at Auburn and how he graduated from there then transferred to Oregon and had a great fresh start.
I think he is definitely being overlooked and I would be shocked if he isn’t taken in the first half of round 1.
i think he is a fit but also the most underpowered talent wise
is he a better version of tommy cutlets at just about everything? yes. but how much better?
he threw behind the LOS to really good players against mostly bad p12 defenses a lot less experienced than he was.
i like him enough to take the will levis dice roll on him, but not sure anyone will like him enough top 20. like everyone ive heard from someone who would know payton liked him a lot, and that too is a good potential fit.
if he's good enough to go round 1 i think payton takes him and if not how high do you go to get him?
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[quote] In comment 16464183 Blue21 said:
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I d take home over Penix if for no other reason than medicals. Penix is talented but he scares me. And everyone keeps saying he s a Broncos pick. Well why not a Giants pick? Every QB has some warts but he had a pretty good year. I m reading he's smart and I know watching him he sure is mobile. I don't get it.
Interesting that he hasn't been there yet, isn't it? [/quote
Nix at 6 would be a nightmare to me personally. I could see him doing well in a Westcoast offense with solid supporting cast making short timing based throws all day. He doesn't have any traits I would consider to be Daboll QB traits. Don't get me wrong, I bet Sean Payton could squeeze a lot of juice out of Nix. I just don't like his profile and I think he's the worst fit for Daboll of the top 6.
It was really good and they talked some X’s and O’s, taking about the pressure at Auburn and how he graduated from there then transferred to Oregon and had a great fresh start.
I think he is definitely being overlooked and I would be shocked if he isn’t taken in the first half of round 1.
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I'd be surpised if he doesn't get picked by DEN, LV or SEA. I think the predicted early run on QB's (rumored 1-4) will cause several teams to panic and draft Nix and Penix by pick 20.
Is he the QB who was not good with OK personnel in a conference that has NFL level defensive talent or is he the QB who succeeded because he had top level talent in a conference that plays zero defense
If he needs top level players around him he is not the guy for this team.
I would take Williams, Daniels, Maye, JJM, Penix and Rattler before I get Nix
I don't want the Giants to reach for Nix and pass on a high octane player like Odunze or Nabers! Every mistake Nix would make the collective Giants fan will be shouting loudly about the reach QB, when they could have had a potential Pro-Bowl WR.
I watched a shitload of Penix and Nix this year. Daniel Jones isn't close to either guy.
Jones's fatal flaw - an inability to process quickly - is absolutely crippling. It's amazing he was drafted where he was. He should have been a day 3/UDFA.
Five-year starter. All-Pac 12 in both 2023 and 2022, first team in 2023 in addition to winning the conference Offensive Player of the Year Award and a spot on the All-American Squad. Nix spent three years at Auburn, following in the footsteps of his father. He was the first true freshman to start under center for the program since 1946. The son of a legendary high school coach is battle tested. After winning the 2019 SEC Freshman of the Year award, his career began to spiral. He graduated in just three years and transferred to Oregon. He left there as the program’s all-time leader in completion percentage and set single season records in completions, yards, and passing touchdowns. His completion percentage in 2023 was an all-time NCAA record. Nix started more games under center than any other quarterback in FBS history. Simply put, this is a guy that is battle-tested, mentally and physically tough, and all-time productive. The physical traits are more than good enough to make everything happen on the field a quarterback needs to make happen.
*A big part of playing and evolving in the NFL at this position is the response to adversity. Not everyone wants to talk about it, but it is the truth. Nix has had almost unfair expectations put on his shoulders since he came out of high school. It went great, then it went horrible. Sounds like some of the young quarterbacks that flame out, right? Nix resurrected his career in a big way. Now, the fact he did it in the Pac-12 and not the SEC needs to be weighed (part of what makes the Daniels ascent special). But watch some of his early tapes at Auburn and watch his 2023 at Oregon; it is easy to see the contrast in him as a player. Nix is a guy I like a lot as a day two option for the Giants. Do I think he will be there? No. But I did not think Will Levis would fall to round 2 a year ago. It is a possibility. It would likely require a day 2 trade-up but there are options at #6 overall to trade down and pick up extra capital to offset any sort of loss. Or they can get a blue chip WR at #6 and make the aggressive move up in round 2 for a guy like Nix. I think his floor is what NYG currently has in Daniel Jones. His ceiling is something in the area of what Deshaun Watson was with Houston (pre-drama). Do you like the day two risk of Nix or the top 10 risk of one the guys above? Another tough call considering what else could come in through the door if they go receiver early.
NFL Comparison: Daniel Jones / NYG
NFL Ceiling: Deshaun Watson / CLE (from his HOU days)
I think we're paying too much attention to him imo...
I don't want the Giants to reach for Nix and pass on a high octane player like Odunze or Nabers! Every mistake Nix would make the collective Giants fan will be shouting loudly about the reach QB, when they could have had a potential Pro-Bowl WR.
You mean a high octane player vs The Panthers but a dud vs quality teams because of no QB? ANd you think "The Collective" won't shout at the mighty Jones/Lock combo that leads us to a 7-10 season in which the GM could brag how The Giants "improved?"
If the palyer is so high ocatne then there should be suitors to trade back which would allow teh Ginats to get a QB.
And quite frankly no way for me before the late 20's. 1- I think he needs the ideal situation to fully realize his potential. 2- He will never be the reason you win, just a part of winning. Like Jones in 2022, he wasn't the reason we won 9 games just he was part of winning 9 games.
Maye is the potential game changer here then JJM as tbe next level QB option.
and I think if we were picking 10 or 11 he'd be a hot name on this board. Likelihood is we won't take him with #6 nor will any of the teams ahead of us. He also likely won't make it to 47 as I just envision Denver pouncing on him if he's there.
With that all being said, you can't predict the draft and someone always falls further than you expect. If we take one of the WR's at 6 and he's sitting there as the 2nd round approaches, a trade up for him is worth it.
Obviously means we give up our 3rd and maybe more draft picks. If he is much better than what we have, it makes sense…..but is he? His deficiencies need to be addressed…..
I have been interested in the lower rated QB prospects for a while mainly because of my personal belief that no one is going to trade out of the top three spots and I feel that the post-combine rise of JJ McCarthy is a mirage so to speak.
Besides Bo Nix, I'm also curious about more developmental guys like Joe Milton and Jordan Travis. I feel like the later can easily be placed on the practice squad while he works on learning the position.
& he won't be there @ 47 IMO. Denver is hot for him per all accounts.
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I feel like he dropped because he didn't have a good Combine.
Senior bowl too.
I just watched a video where the commentators said Nix adjusted very well to pro coaching at the Senior Bowl.
Don't get me wrong - I'm a big Nix fan, so I'd be happy if they got him - but he's clearly a notch below the top 4. Unless they trade back, drafting him at 6 seems like a big reach...
His physical traits are underwhelming and he won’t be playing Pac 12 defenses every week.
Interesting that he hasn't been there yet, isn't it?
Best WR in football
Great TE
Very good number 2
Good OL.
An ideal situation for any QB.
I think he is definitely being overlooked and I would be shocked if he isn’t taken in the first half of round 1.
he threw behind the LOS to really good players against mostly bad p12 defenses a lot less experienced than he was.
i like him enough to take the will levis dice roll on him, but not sure anyone will like him enough top 20. like everyone ive heard from someone who would know payton liked him a lot, and that too is a good potential fit.
if he's good enough to go round 1 i think payton takes him and if not how high do you go to get him?
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I d take home over Penix if for no other reason than medicals. Penix is talented but he scares me. And everyone keeps saying he s a Broncos pick. Well why not a Giants pick? Every QB has some warts but he had a pretty good year. I m reading he's smart and I know watching him he sure is mobile. I don't get it.
Interesting that he hasn't been there yet, isn't it? [/quote
Nix at 6 would be a nightmare to me personally. I could see him doing well in a Westcoast offense with solid supporting cast making short timing based throws all day. He doesn't have any traits I would consider to be Daboll QB traits. Don't get me wrong, I bet Sean Payton could squeeze a lot of juice out of Nix. I just don't like his profile and I think he's the worst fit for Daboll of the top 6.
I think he is definitely being overlooked and I would be shocked if he isn’t taken in the first half of round 1.
I'd be surpised if he doesn't get picked by DEN, LV or SEA. I think the predicted early run on QB's (rumored 1-4) will cause several teams to panic and draft Nix and Penix by pick 20.
But most seem to conclude Nix is not lottery talent and his value is best placed late day one or day two.
Is he the QB who was not good with OK personnel in a conference that has NFL level defensive talent or is he the QB who succeeded because he had top level talent in a conference that plays zero defense
If he needs top level players around him he is not the guy for this team.
I would take Williams, Daniels, Maye, JJM, Penix and Rattler before I get Nix
Daniel Jones is wayyyyy better.
Daniel Jones is wayyyyy better.
Daniel Jones isn’t even wayyyyy better than Tommy DeVito
Jones's fatal flaw - an inability to process quickly - is absolutely crippling. It's amazing he was drafted where he was. He should have been a day 3/UDFA.
Best Pro defense he faced.
Five-year starter. All-Pac 12 in both 2023 and 2022, first team in 2023 in addition to winning the conference Offensive Player of the Year Award and a spot on the All-American Squad. Nix spent three years at Auburn, following in the footsteps of his father. He was the first true freshman to start under center for the program since 1946. The son of a legendary high school coach is battle tested. After winning the 2019 SEC Freshman of the Year award, his career began to spiral. He graduated in just three years and transferred to Oregon. He left there as the program’s all-time leader in completion percentage and set single season records in completions, yards, and passing touchdowns. His completion percentage in 2023 was an all-time NCAA record. Nix started more games under center than any other quarterback in FBS history. Simply put, this is a guy that is battle-tested, mentally and physically tough, and all-time productive. The physical traits are more than good enough to make everything happen on the field a quarterback needs to make happen.
*A big part of playing and evolving in the NFL at this position is the response to adversity. Not everyone wants to talk about it, but it is the truth. Nix has had almost unfair expectations put on his shoulders since he came out of high school. It went great, then it went horrible. Sounds like some of the young quarterbacks that flame out, right? Nix resurrected his career in a big way. Now, the fact he did it in the Pac-12 and not the SEC needs to be weighed (part of what makes the Daniels ascent special). But watch some of his early tapes at Auburn and watch his 2023 at Oregon; it is easy to see the contrast in him as a player. Nix is a guy I like a lot as a day two option for the Giants. Do I think he will be there? No. But I did not think Will Levis would fall to round 2 a year ago. It is a possibility. It would likely require a day 2 trade-up but there are options at #6 overall to trade down and pick up extra capital to offset any sort of loss. Or they can get a blue chip WR at #6 and make the aggressive move up in round 2 for a guy like Nix. I think his floor is what NYG currently has in Daniel Jones. His ceiling is something in the area of what Deshaun Watson was with Houston (pre-drama). Do you like the day two risk of Nix or the top 10 risk of one the guys above? Another tough call considering what else could come in through the door if they go receiver early.
NFL Comparison: Daniel Jones / NYG
NFL Ceiling: Deshaun Watson / CLE (from his HOU days)
Id rather Penix.
You mean a high octane player vs The Panthers but a dud vs quality teams because of no QB? ANd you think "The Collective" won't shout at the mighty Jones/Lock combo that leads us to a 7-10 season in which the GM could brag how The Giants "improved?"
If the palyer is so high ocatne then there should be suitors to trade back which would allow teh Ginats to get a QB.
Maye is the potential game changer here then JJM as tbe next level QB option.
With that all being said, you can't predict the draft and someone always falls further than you expect. If we take one of the WR's at 6 and he's sitting there as the 2nd round approaches, a trade up for him is worth it.
+1. I had an open mind but the struggles during the Sr Bowl are a warning indicator.
Besides Bo Nix, I'm also curious about more developmental guys like Joe Milton and Jordan Travis. I feel like the later can easily be placed on the practice squad while he works on learning the position.