WIDE RECEIVER
Draft Grade Index:
90+ All-Pro Projection
85-89: Pro Bowl Projection:
81-84: 1st Round – Year 1 starter
77-80: 2nd/3rd Round – Year 1 contributor, year 2-3 starter
74-76: Early Day 3: CoresSpecial teamer and rotational player
71-74: Mid Day 3: Core special teamer and backup
68-70: Late Day 3: Developmental and special teamer
TOP 20 GRADES AND ANALYSIS
1) Marvin Harrison Jr. – Ohio State – 6’3 / 209
Grade: 92
Junior entry, two-year starter. Unanimous All-American in both 2023 and 2022, a first for receivers in program history. Earned first team All-Big Ten both seasons. Biletnikoff Award winner in 2023. Son of 13-year veteran and Hall of Fame receiver Marvin Harrison. Harrison Jr. is a factory-engineered playmaker that can align anywhere pre snap, run all routes at a high level, and cleanly catch any ball within striking distance. While he will not be an every-down vertical threat, Harrison Jr. has both the physical body type, impeccable footwork, and mental characteristics to get him open all over the route tree. He can make the “wow” play look easy and routine and as long as he remains focused on fine tuning the small things to add strength, his future in the league will belong with the league’s true number one receivers.
*Harrison Jr. has been the number one player in this draft class since I put an initial list together last summer. While the spots behind him have been slightly moved around and other receivers have joined him in the elite tier, I still trust the polish of Harrison Jr. the most. Despite such poor quarterback play in 2023 (a significant drop off from Stroud in ’22) Harrison Jr. essentially matched his production. There was a lot more to chew off too had the situation around him been better. Is there a world where Harrison Jr. would not be the ideal fit for NYG? Absolutely. If a system wants more yards after the catch, the other two are better options. Harrison Jr. does not play as tough or as strong as I want but the other areas in his game and his unusual amount of focus, drive, and work ethic to be great are enough to overshadow that. This is the number one player on my board for NYG – yes above the quarterbacks.
NFL Comparison: Michael Thomas / FA
2) Rome Odunze – Washington – 6’3 / 212
Grade: 91
Three-year starter. Earned first team All-Pac 12 honors in both 2023 and 2022. All-American both seasons as well, first team in 2023. Odunze has all of the tools and a rapidly growing skill set to be a credible number one threat at the next level. He can win in several ways that stem from more than just talent alone. His feel for route running and unique blend of ability, size, and speed will add both explosive plays and efficiency to an offense. If the questionable areas of his game can catch up to the rest, he can be one of the more dangerous receivers in the game.
*Odunze had a contested catch rate of 75%. Anything above 45% gets my attention. I have not seen a number that high since 2018 and that was Jakobi Meyers, who averaged 11.4 yards per reception and ran a 4.64 forty. Odunze averaged 17.8 yards per on a huge frame with 4.45 forty and elite shuttle time. That number simply hits different, it is truly special. Add in the top-shelf intangibles that everyone wants and the rare movement traits off the line and occasionally appear on routes gets him the rare All-Pro projection. The Washington offense did not have him run as many routes as I would have liked but he did run a full tree, and he seems more raw than incapable. Odunze is a guy you bet on, and he is very much in play at #6. Such an ideal fit for this current NYG receiver group as well.
NFL Comparison: Larry Fitzgerald / RET
3) Malik Nabers – LSU – 6’0 / 200
Grade: 90
Junior entry, three-year starter. All-American and first team All-SEC in 2023. Nabers steadily developed from a high school player that did not play as a senior to one of the most productive receivers in the country. He plays a notably physical brand for the position with level of competitiveness that shows up in several ways. Blended in with his elite top-end burst and above average speed, Nabers has the style of a guy that can evolve into a credible number one threat. His routes need work in specific areas but they are already elite in others, showing the likelihood of his quality projection in that area. The savvy, team-first playmaker is going to be a coach’s favorite and has the upside of a true number one with his top trait being what comes after the catch.
*We have seen glimpses and heard Brian Daboll discuss how much value a playmaker after the catch can be in his system. We’ve also heard how much he values a guy that can line up in different spots. Something like that makes me think he can be the guy that is atop their list in a few weeks. Nabers has elite twitch and toughness. His issues with drops have come from the fact he makes his post-catch move prior to bringing the ball in. That has been somewhat corrected and when it clicks, it looks special. The concept of pairing him with an eventual new, young quarterback makes sense. Nabers and Wan’Dale Robinson can create serious excitement in that area and if everything else falls into place, watch out. This would actually take some pressure off the quartetback much like the situation around Brock Purdy in SF. Nabers will be a fun player.
NFL Comparison: DJ Moore / CHI
4) Brian Thomas Jr. – LSU – 6’3 / 209
Grade: 85
Junior entry, three-year starter. Earned second team All-SEC and third team All-American honors in 2023. A former 1,000-point scorer that turned down division one basketball offers out of high school more than doubled his career production in his final season with the Tigers. The tall, long, and flexible downfield target led FBS with 17 touchdowns, scoring in 10 of 13 games. He is the kind of playmaker that looks overly inviting to a passer. He tracks the deep ball with precision and control, he can go up and get it, and he shows excellent coordination near the boundary. Thomas broke out at the right time and was a key part to the statistical season that led to quarterback Jayden Daniels winning the Heisman Trophy. He came down with several wins in contested situations in and near the end zone. There are some edges to the skill set that need more refining but in a league of scoring and explosive plays, Thomas can be a true number one.
*Thomas Jr. was not this high on my list until I got done watching his film. I then saw the amount of elite wins he had on tape against future NFL corners. I then watched him put together one of the best explosion/speed workouts in combine history for a player with his size profile. A lot of things lined up to give Thomas Jr. a Pro Bowl projection. I see a Tee Higgins-type impact at the next level. One of those guys that can be a number one but may be best suited to be a complement to a different top tier guy. An example would be Tampa Bay or Dallas. I prefer his game over this cluster of guys because of what he can project to, but I do think he may need a bit more time than some believe. He did not run a ton of quality routes and if there is a question about his athleticism, it will be short-area agility and change of direction.
5) Ladd McConkey – Georgia – 6’0 / 186
Grade: 82
Redshirt Junior entry. Two-year starter. All-SEC in 2022. Winner of the Wuerffel Trophy, a community service-based award combining with athletic and academic achievements. McConkey is a slightly built, but quick-footed receiver that creates more than the sum of his parts. He is a refined route runner with a sense of intelligence that is hard to find. He shows a strong understanding of what defenses are trying to do both pre-and post-catch. The amount he can create via doing precisely what he needs to do and then some more via innovation will be a welcomed addition to an offense that has primary weapons already in place. Sleep on a contributor like McConkey and he will carve you up. His tools and upside are likely not enough to be projected to a number one threat, but he can complement one at a high level.
*The name Garrett Wilson comes to mind when watching McConkey run routes and after the catch. He does not exactly have the same length profile or contested catch upside which can limit him, but I do see a similar impact at the next level. Remember, Wilson won the 2022 Offensive Rookie of the Year. McConkey is pro ready yesterday. He is going to come in and be a quarterback’s best friend early on if the situation is right. The one thing that bumped him down a bit was the occasional drop paired with small hands. That duo can be an issue. Besides that, McConkey’s game is polished but it may not be the best fit for what NYG has. They need someone more physical but if the engineers of the offense want another shifty, fast but undersized guy in round two, I wouldn’t argue against this value.
NFL Comparison: Jordan Addison / MIN
6) Adonai Mitchell – Texas – 6’2 / 205
Grade: 82
Junior entry, three-year starter. Mitchell spent two years at Georgia where he started 15 games. He missed 9 games due to injury in 2022 before transferring to Texas for the 2023 season and leading the Big 12 in touchdowns. His combination of size, smooth movement traits, and ball skills make him a dangerous weapon on all levels of the route tree. If Mitchell can become more complete and consistent when it comes to effort and concentration, he will be a key piece to a quality passing game. The worst case would be a good red zone threat and third down target. All of the traits are there for him to be a high-end possession receiver at the next level early on with a credible shot at being a true number one if he cleans things up.
*Mitchell is my prediction for the receiver that ends up going higher than most are projecting. The top three receivers are set but after that, it is pretty open. Mitchell put together one of the best workouts in combine history. He ran a 4.34 and jumped out of the building. That said, I was less than inspired by his on-field workouts. On tape, his fluidity and body control stand out like a CeeDee Lamb (except Mitchell is bigger and faster) type. That said, I have several game notes where I question his effort and hustle. He was awful after the catch. Wide receivers are a different breed. In some ways, you have to let the divas, well, diva. If Mitchell brings even the B+ effort to the field most weeks, he can be a dangerous player. It is a matter of how much you are willing to risk and the leadership around him. If something clicks mentally, yes he can be grouped with the top three.
NFL Comparison: AJ Green / RET
7) Xavier Worthy – Texas – 5’11 / 165
Grade: 81
Junior entry, three-year starter. All-Big 12 all three seasons, first team in 2023 and 2021. All-American in 2023. Exploded on to the national scene as a true freshman in 2021 after having his senior season of high school cancelled due to Covid in 2020, earning the Big 12 Offensive Freshman of the Year Award and re-writing the program’s receiving records for first year players. Worthy’s game is built on the most sought-after trait in the game, speed. He can move quicker and faster than most players in the league and he pairs it with toughness and intelligence. How an offensive scheme can hide his lack of size and physical presence will largely determine whether or not can be a true number one, or a very good two. Either way, he is going to make a passing game more explosive.
*Dating back to the summer of 2023, I’ve had Worthy in my first-round stack. This was not a result of him setting the all-time record in the forty. His speed grade to my equation was already elite. So, nothing changed there. Worthy is only the second first round grade I have given to a guy under 170 pounds. The other? DeVonta Smith. Worthy is just an inch smaller and has similar length. But the similarity that outweighs the pounds? Toughness. Worthy plays like a pitbull. He will fight for yards, he will run through contact, he will extend himself over the middle. In some ways, the lack of size is a weapon for him. Will he hold up? Or will we see a Tank Dell part II and watch him get hurt the second he gets into a pile of NFL men. Putting him in the NYG offense would create one of the smallest group of pass catchers in the NFL, but also the fastest. Works for Miami…
NFL Comparison: Desean Jackson / FA
8) Ricky Pearsall – Florida – 6’1 / 189
Grade: 80
Three-year starter. All-Pac 12 in 2021. Spent three seasons at Arizona State where he finished as the team’s leading receiver in his final year before transferring to Florida where he led the team in receiving two straight years. Pearsall is a refined receiver with a pro-caliber skill set across the board. His alignment versatility and experience as a pre-snap motion player will give a play caller several options when it comes to his usage. He is a machine on third down, as over two thirds of his catches went for a first down or touchdown at Florida. The ability to win at the start of the route and his feel for coverages will make him a quarterback’s best friend in high-leverage situations. Pearsall is not the most physically gifted player when it comes to sheer size and speed, but his sudden movement traits, near-perfect hands, and toughness will make him a consistently dependable threat at the next level. He is a year-one contributor that can catch 70+ passes per year if he is in the right system and role.
*Pearsall is polished on film. Everything about his game is a joy to watch and it just feels clean and safe. I had a middle of the pack day two grade on him before the Senior Bowl and combine and he boosted his stock at both. He ran a 4.41 and jumped out of the building. Remember, this kid’s calling card was route running and ball skills. He made everything look easy against SEC defensive backs but now adding the plus-athletic traits to his grading sheet put him at the top of the loaded day two group. The Giants are a sneaky-strong fit and one that I will even call likely if he makes it to their round two slot (however he might be a first rounder). While the majority of his snaps in college over the past two seasons have come from the slot, I think he can hack it as a hybrid-alignment guy which is what Daboll wants. He would be more reliable than explosive in this offense and I can see him being a key part of the offensive nucleus for a long time.
NFL Comparison: Amon-Ra St. Brown / DET
9) Troy Franklin – WR – 6’2 / 176
Grade: 80
Junior entry, two-year starter. All-Pac 12 and All-American in 2023. Franklin is going to change how a defense defends the pass when he comes on the field. He goes from zero to sixty in a blink, putting tremendous pressure on deep coverage. He is an easy and natural mover on anything vertical with enough bendability to avoid contact and gain immediate separation. He has the very-reachable potential to be one of the top downfield threats in the league right away. In order for him to be more than that, he needs to be more precise with both his routes and ability to run the full tree.
*Franklin was a guy I had a first-round grade on during the season. The deeper I went, the more I saw he was not complete enough to warrant that. He is somewhere between DeVonta Smith and Jalin Hyatt as a prospect. Not nearly as complete as Smith but has more explosive speed. Not quite as explosive as Hyatt but has a bit more ability after the catch and more toughness. If NYG wants more vertical speed to pair with Hyatt, this could be 1-2 punch a couple years from now that takes the top off every defense in the league. They better have a guy that can get it to them if they go this route. I like Franklin a lot, but there is a lot that needs to be cleaned up and the lack of fluid agility he showed at the combine in both drills and workouts makes me question the complete upside in his game.
NFL Comparison: DJ Chark / CAR
10) Roman Wilson – Michigan – 5’11 / 185
Grade: 79
Senior entry, three-year starter. All-Big Ten in 2023. Wilson has elite quickness and agility with sure hands. His skill set is bred for the slot, but he is more than a specialist. He spent 40% of his snaps out wide. The alignment versatility and the ability to produce from both spots will create options for the passing game. His ability to set up defensive backs and put them into specific positions before snapping in and out of a break will gain constant separation. This is the kind of weapon an offense wants to have in their arsenal on third and manageable. Wilson can be a 100-catch receiver at the next level and will add return value. He will outperform several players drafted ahead of him.
*Man, this grade was hard to accept. I was round one on Wilson for most of the year and even after the Senior Bowl. While he did not finish far from it, I had a hard time not cheating the system a bit. Wilson is a guy I have “a feeling” about. He plays the game the right way and I do think he would have been much more productive in a different offensive scheme. That said, his lack of size is going to limit him. That 72.5 wingspan is nearly as small as it gets, and it could end up making him a slot-only. Wilson will be a high-volume pass catcher and if he gets linked to a good situation, he will catch 100+ yearly. The workout could have been a bit stronger, and I did grade him very well after the catch. I still have him labeled as one of my favorite players in the draft, but he needs to be slotted correctly. I don’t see the fit here with NYG as long as Wan’Dale Robinson is in the picture.
NFL Comparison: Zay Flowers / BAL
11) Malachi Corley – Western Kentucky – 5’11 /207
Grade: 78
Three-year starter. First Team All-Conference USA in 2023 and 2022. Corley spent over 90% of his career in the slot and nearly half of his receptions were behind the line of scrimmage. There are several standout attributes to both his game and physical build. He looks like a running back after gaining over 20 pounds since his freshman year. The all-time leader pass catcher in program history has been among the nation’s leaders in yards-after-catch and broken tackles each of the past two years and couples that ability with the kind of quickness and sudden speed to create separation as an underneath route runner. While his lack of radius and flexibility hurts him in contested situations, Corley’s role can be specific-but-dominant in the right offense. Teams need to know what he is, and what he is not. He will be a menace underneath and with the ball in his hands.
*You have to take some of Corley’s production with a grain of salt. Watching his film was funny. Screen pass after screen pass after screen pass. The opposing defensive backs and coaches from the Senior Bowl voted him as the best receiver during practices. I can confirm, nobody could cover him underneath. His is shifty, powerful, and smart. The combination of traits can make him a lethal slot when it comes to getting open and the icing on the cake is how nasty he is after the catch. He is easily one of the most competitive players in the class. Like Wilson, I’m not sure the fit with NYG can pan out. Slot-only type but one that will be a ton of fun to watch. For those into the fantasy game – circle this guy.
NFL Comparison: Deebo Samuel / SF
12) Keon Coleman – Florida State – 6’3 / 213
Grade: 78
Junior entry, two-year starter. Michigan State transfer that also had a stint on their basketball team, one of the best programs in the country. All-Big Ten in 2022. Arrived to Florida State for the 2023 season and led the ACC with 11 touchdowns and earned first team All-ACC at receiver, all-purpose, and returner. Coleman can change the outlook of a passing game early in his career based on his size and ability to go up and get it. If nothing else develops, he is still a formidable weapon near the end zone. The intrigue comes from his basketball background and the fact he still has plenty of margin to chew up when it comes to the nuances of route running. His speed alone will not get enough separation; thus, the development of his skill set is needed for him to reach his credible number two receiver upside.
*Coleman nearly made my preseason top 32 list. He was two spots away. I still have the day two outlook on him, but I bumped him down a tad because of hard it is for him to initially separate combined with a poor 40 (4.61). Coleman can be an Allen Robinson type. I would bet on him in almost all contested situations and the savvy craftiness he has to him both with the ball and avoiding too much collision with defenders can make up for some lack of speed. He can be a nice complement to what else NYG has in the receiver room and a guy that creates options near the end zone. A true number one? I don’t see it. A solid number two? That is the ceiling.
NFL Comparison: Allen Robinson / FA
13) Javon Baker – Central Florida – 6’1 / 202
Grade: 78
Two-year starter. All-Big 12 in 2023 and 2022, first team in 2023. Spent two seasons at Alabama in a backup/rotational role prior to transferring to Central Florida. Baker was in a crowded wide receiver room early in his career, playing behind the likes of first rounders Jameson Williams, Jaylen Waddle, and DeVonta Smith. There simply were not enough passes to go around in that offense. He was immediately the number one receiver at Central Florida and ended up leading the country in yards per reception (21.2) among receivers with over 33 catches in 2023. Baker made the most of his opportunities, finishing ninth in the country in yards per route run but his 17.1 yard average depth of target was higher than anyone in the top 25. Baker is a unique downfield threat that excels in 50/50 situations. His sudden change of direction and contact-strength sets him up well both as a route runner and ball carrier. His versatile game is NFL-ready and capable of fitting into a solid number two type.
*Baker could have been the next dude from the Alabama program. There were a couple of off-field concerns combined with Saban constantly pumping in new talent via recruiting and the transfer portal at the position that led to the transfer. It worked out for Baker, and I’ve heard great things about his growing maturity. Baker has a lot of professional nuances to his game that I love, both as a route runner and contested catch guy. The sheer talent is not enough to anything higher than a third-round outlook. This is a guy that could fall into day three and if NYG goes elsewhere with their first three picks, I’ll be banging the table for him in the fourth.
NFL Comparison: Reggie Wayne / RET
14) Malik Washington – Virginia – 5’8 / 191
Grade: 77
Two-year starter. Transferred to Virginia in 2023 after four seasons at Northwestern. Earned first team All-ACC and second team All-American in 2023 after re-writing the program’s single season record book in receiving yards and catches. Led the nation in receptions, finished second in yards while hauling in 80+% of his targets. Washington is an explosive and shifty slot receiver that is short, but thick. His play strength and body control play bigger than that listed size. What stands out the most, and arguably more important than his physical profile, are his competitive genes and intelligence. Washington knows the game, understands leverage, and forces the defense to react to him. If he struggles to get open, he has proven the ability to win in contested situations routinely. This is an NFL-ready inside threat that can quickly turn into a quarterback’s best friend underneath.
*Yet another shifty and explosive slot receiver that will be ready week one. Like most of the guys that project to this role, his success will depend on where he gets drafted. I wonder if the abundance of guys that will primarily align inside (including the tight ends) will bump at least one of these guys down a round or two. Plain and simple, more than a few teams don’t have room for these slot-only’s. Does that create extra value for a team to chew on? Can NYG find a spot for a guy like this if he were to fall? I say yes. NYG needs depth, NYG needs to create intra-squad competition, and NYG needs more playmakers. At the right spot, it makes sense.
NFL Comparison: Jaylen Waddle / MIA
15) Jermaine Burton – Alabama – 6’0 / 196
Grade: 76
Senior entry, four-year starter. Burton spent his first two seasons at Georgia where he started 15 games and played in 24. Despite fighting multiple lower body injuries, he led the National Champion Bulldogs receivers in yards in 2021. The decision to transfer centered around the Alabama’s propensity to produce first round draft picks at the position (four from 2020-2021) and a relationship with Bryce Young. The one constant in his game, no matter what program he was in and no matter which quarterback he played with, was the ability to make big plays. Over four years, he averaged 18.0 yards per reception including a career-high 20.5. in 2023 (number one in the SEC). Burton plays with a swagger and toughness that will show up as he works the middle of the field as well. There is a lot to like but until he can perform better after the catch, there is some thought he will be a vertical-threat only. He can still be highly sought after but the point is if he can ascend to a more complete player, he can be a high end number two at the next level.
*For the record, Burton was bumped down from a 79 because of character concerns. There are certain things I overlook and ignore, and there are some I will not. Burton is a big-time talent and has proven himself at the toughest stage of college football in multiple offenses. Simply put, he is fast, and he can catch anything. There is a toughness to his game that can make him special, too. Yes, special. Burton has Odell Beckham vibes in some of his tape. He wasn’t as well rounded as Beckham was coming out, but I did think of young Odell more than a few times when watching his film. The pre-draft interviews will go a long way for him, both with Burton himself and his college coaches. At some point, he is worth taking a chance on. Upside is through the roof.
NFL Comparison: Odell Beckham / FA
16) Xavier Legette – South Carolina – 6’1 / 221
Grade: 76
Four-year starter. All-SEC in 2023. Leading up to his final season, Legette had 423 career yards and five touchdowns on 75 targets. He more than doubled all of those numbers in 2023 alone. He led the SEC in yards per reception (17.7) among receivers with over 55 catches and ranked fourth in the conference in catches per game. To say he was a late bloomer would be an understatement. His unusual frame and play strength along with credible deep speed gives him a unique style that rarely comes across at the position. His ability to play from multiple alignments in addition to his contributions on special teams will give coaches a long list of potential usages at the next level with the ceiling of a solid number two receiver. Legette has standout traits that produced at a high level in the SEC and brings a sense of physicality to both the offense and special teams’ rooms that can used all over the field.
*Maybe the guy that improved his grade the most via 2023 on-field play in this class. Some are calling him a potential first rounder. I’m not there on him but I am intrigued. I want to like him because he has a story filled with overcoming adversity and by all accounts is one of the guys coaches and fans alike will love. He’s also incredibly unique. He is built like DK Metcalf and he’s got a few flashes where he looks dominant. The disconnect I have is with his short area movement. He is tight and I think it will limit his impact as a receiver. The. fallback will be a quality backup with a rare tool set and special teams contributions. Worth a shot day three but not before.
NFL Comparison: Noah Brown / HOU
17) Jalen McMillan – Washington – 6’1 / 197
Grade: 75
Senior entry, three-year starter. All-Pac 12 in 2022. Accomplished track star in high school, running a 10.67 personal best in the 100M. McMillan put together one the best seasons in Washington history in 2022 and even though his final year was somewhat derailed by injury and the ascent of other playmakers within that offense, he has enough on tape to promote the idea of him being a potential downfield threat at the next level. He is a smart, tough player that primarily lined up in the slot, but they liked to move him around and take advantage of what he can do to get open. He is best suited for a number three or four role that specializes in the deep passing game.
*Before Rome Odunze was Rome Odunze, McMillan was the leading receiver on this team and the guy everyone was projecting to a future first round slot. A year later, the speedster was the Robin to Odunze’s Batman character. And lastly, in 2023, McMillan was the guy that got hurt and saw his number two status questioned by the rise of teammate Ja’Lynn Polk. The scouting is now complete, and McMillan is the guy I remain most intrigued by when it comes to the gap between his floor and ceiling. This is a real speed threat that measured in well enough to be a complete guy. Nice fit for NYG day three if they want to get more explosive.
18) Brenden Rice – USC – 6’2 / 208
Grade: 75
Senior entry, three-year starter. All-Pac 12 in 2023. Son of Hall of Fame receiver Jerry Rice. Began his career at Colorado where he played in 17 games over two seasons prior to transferring to USC. An accomplished track star (sprints), Rice brings an element of size, speed, and physicality in addition to the lineage that can factor right away at the next level. His skill set does not fall far from the tree, as his advanced ball skills and route tactics are detailed and advanced. He plays with a competitive edge that is visibly intense. The try-hard mentality and competitive attitude gives him that extra edge in contested situations. Rice does not have the most fluidity yet and his play speed does not match the timed speed. The NFL frame and style of play will give him a nice right away, but his ceiling will be determined by advancing as a route runner and playing with more control.
*I was initially viewing Rice as a second rounder before I dove all in on his tape. I brought him back down to earth after that and the Senior Bowl week. Don’t get this twisted though. It is simply a numbers game with him in the crowded round 3-4 group. Rice has a few elements to his game that will translate. He knows route running and reading defensive backs just like you would assume Jerry Rice’s son would. He is one of the best competitors and arguably the most physical receiver in the class. He did show flashes of playing to sub 4.5 speed. The issue stems from a lack of body control and inconsistent ability to get open. The tightness in his hips and wasted steps are going to make things difficult with specific areas. This is a guy I would be excited to get in blue, though. Just needs to be in the right slot.
19) Jamari Thrash – Louisville – 6’0 / 188
Grade: 74
Fifth year senior, three-year starter. Spent four years at Georgia State before transferring to Louisville for the 2023 season. First Team All-Sun Belt in 2022 before the transfer. After elevating to a higher level of competition, Thrash rose to the occasion and earned second team All-ACC honors, more-than doubling the production of the next highest pass catcher on the team. He is a smooth and easy moving route runner that glides as if he were on ice skates. The transitions in and out of his breaks along with the mental capacity to set defenders up will create space to work with for the quarterback. Thrash is a smooth criminal that has the skill set to be a space-creator and big play threat.
*Above I described Thrash as a “smooth criminal”. It kept coming up in my head over and over and I had to put it in there. He is unassuming. He isn’t big and his speed is (maybe) slightly above average. But this guy separates as well as anyone and his hands are suction cups. Really, there isn’t a huge gap between him and Ladd McConkey. He is a nice fallback option if one of those sure-thing route runners cannot be had. Thrash is going to be in the league a long time and he will be one of those overlooked, under-appreciated types.
NFL Comparison: Chris Olave / NO
20) Devontez Walker – North Carolina – 6’1 / 193
Grade: 74
Two-year starter. Had three stops within his college career, beginning at North Carolina Central before transferring to Kent State where he led the MAC in touchdowns. Missed the first month of 2023 because of the NCAA declining his eligibility. Walker has the studs to be a nice project that can evolve into a solid number two receiver that specializes in explosive plays with a lot of air yards. The size/speed combination is hard to find, and he has proven he can win against some of his best competition. The immediate contribution may not be there because he is a bit of a one-trick pony at the moment, but his ceiling and position could get him drafted a round higher than his grade.
*Walker has the triangle numbers to be a real deep threat, but he needs to improve as a finisher. His Senior Bowl week was a frustrating watch. But there is enough on tape as Drake Maye’s top vertical threat to project him as a potential weapon at the next level. This could be a Darius Slayton type in that he can be a contributor year one, but the frustration comes from a lack of consistency and development from a macro-perspective.
21-39 GRADES
21) Ja’Lynn Polk – Washington – 6’1 / 203: 73
22) Luke McCaffrey – Rice – 6’2 / 198: 73
23) Jacob Cowing – Arizona – 5’8 / 168: 72
24) Anthony Gould – Oregon State – 5’8 / 174: 72
25) Jha’Quan Jackson – Tulane – 5’9 / 188: 72
26) Bub Means – Pittsburgh – 6’1 / 212: 71
27) Tahj Washington – USC – 5’10 / 174: 71
28) Jalen Coker – Holy Cross – 6’1 / 208: 70
29) Ainias Smith - Texas A&M – 5’9 / 190: 70
30) Xavier Weaver – Colorado – 6’0 / 175: 70
31) Ryan Flournoy – Southeast Missouri State: 6’1 / 202: 70
32) Isaiah Williams – Illinois – 5’9 / 179: 69
33) Cornelius Johnson – Michigan – 6’3 / 212: 69
34) Tayvion Anderson – Kentucky – 5’10 / 191: 69
35) Jordan Whittington – Texas – 6’1 / 205: 69
36) David White – Western Carolina – 6’2 / 201: 69
37) Devaughn Vele – Utah – 6’4 / 203: 69
38) Joshua Cephus – UTSA – 6’2 / 193: 68
39) Lideatrick Griffin – Mississippi State – 5’10 / 181: 68
40) Tejhaun Palmer – UAB – 6’2 / 210: 68
41) Cole Burgess – SUNY Cortland – 6’0 / 192: 68
42) Casey Washington – Illinois – 6’1 / 201: 68
NYG APPROACH
Take quarterback out of the discussion and look at the current Giants roster. There are needs everywhere but the one that shines brightest resides at receiver. There is some hope between Wan’Dale Robinson and Jalin Hyatt. Both drafted on day two by this regime. Both explosive play threats. Both unproven. Darius Slayton, on the other hand, is proven. He is proven to be a solid but not spectacular receiver with a proper blend of efficient and explosive-type play. While he has not delivered on the promise he showed as a rookie in 2019, we know what NYG has in him. 740, 751, 339, 724, 770 yards. Amazingly, Slayton has been the number one receiver each season outside of 2021. Four out of five years. And therein lies the problem.
In the passing era of modern football, NYG does not have anything close to what can resemble a true number one guy at this premium position. Finding one, or at least trying to, is a must for both the short and long term. You can attack free agency (Stefon Diggs, Chris Godwin, Amari Cooper in 2025), sure. But you are paying top dollar to an aging star. You can attack the trade market, (Brandon Aiyuk / Tee Higgins) sure. But you are giving up a premium draft pick and immediately paying top dollar. The route to finding a true number one almost needs to be via the draft in this NYG scenario. Pulling off another Brian Burns-type trade and sign is almost impossible when considering the economics.
With that, I’ll go on record saying NYG absolutely, unequivocally needs to add a high-ceiling receiver to this offense with one of their first three picks. I would put more-than 65% odds they will do so with one of their first two picks. The irony here is they are guaranteed to get one of the three elite graded receivers by simply staying at 6 overall. “But who is going to throw him the ball?” line is short-sighted and lacks awareness when it comes to roster building. I don’t know, to be honest. But I do know an All-Pro (or even Pro Bowl) caliber receiver is going to be a huge asset to this team and their rebuild efforts. Maybe that QB comes via a later draft pick? Or a 2025 free agency signing? Or a 2025 first round pick. But neglecting the need for a guy like this with an offer like this because you don’t know who the future quarterback is a classic move that many teams make which end up putting them into a hamster wheel of offensive mediocrity and misery. NYG needs a playmaker, preferably a guy that line up in multiple spots. They’ll be staring one in the eyes in a couple weeks. If they are not fully positive about a quarterback that would even make this a debate, the decision is easy. Get one of the top three. You then have the start of something potentially special. Not good, but special if the other two pan out as well.
Of guys realistically there?
Pearsall, Washington, Coleman,
Seems obvious to me.....
The choice between a Pro-Bowl WR vs a decent, possibly good, possible middle of the pack QB.....seems easy.
With several deep and strong WR draft classes in recent past.....will draft class in near future continue to deliver new studs to the NFL at WRs? Anything like this year?
I am with you in that if they don't get the QB they want take one of the big three WRs. I think AZ, ultimately, stays at 4 and takes MHJ. It might drop McCarthy to the Giants. If it doesn't I'm undecided on Odunze and Nabers. Rumor is Daboll likes Nabers...
Thank you as always.
Take that 50/50 WR top 6 Pick nonsense and trash it.
The top 3 will all hit.
Two questions:
1. Of the batch of guys who didn't get a write-up, who intrigues you the most? Means?
2. Where do you rank this class of receivers versus other classes you have "officially" reviewed?
Odunze is the guy in my opinion. Can do it all, big. physical and fast. Give me that guy at the goal line.
The deep play ability and speed are tantalizing, but could the hands be an issue?
I actually had him behind Ladd and AD Mitchell because of it.
Thanks!
Much appreciate your review -- very exciting WR draft class!
Quick question: Does Xavier Legette remind you of a bigger version of Deebo Samuel?
Reason why I'm asking is would it make more sense to grab a top QB this year and get an alpha WR in next year's class or take a shot this year at one of the top 3 guys because next year's class seems weaker?
They are guaranteed a stud receiver by sitting there and taking the pick at 6.
If they trade up for a QB, using additional assets, they have to be truly sold that the QB is a difference maker and not just better.
This will be fun to watch.
He's a 91.
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He's a 91.
Right, 91 it is. Wish I could delet.
QB & WR in the 1st 2 picks, either way, but if we have a chance to get the QB of the future, I still would do that before one of the top 3 WRs. Good QBs are harder to find than WRs.
Thank you for all these. Schoen up against it.
Wonder if the Giants have their eyes set on Corley.
1 - Giants stay at 6, 4 QBs and MHJr go before them, they pick between Odunze and Nabers
2 - Giants stay at 6, a QB they like falls to them
3 - Giants trade up for a QB, we have a very boring draft weekend after as it likely takes a chunk of our assets to do so
I do not envision a trade back as some of the "consolation prizes" to not getting a QB at 6 are better than actual prize would be in most drafts...
In the result of option 1, which may have the best odds of the 3, the decision would get interesting. When I watch Nabers, he fits Daboll's scheme almost perfectly. I can see him playing the Diggs role but with more upside as I see a more explosive player. On the flip side, when I hear Schoen talk about what he wants out of players, he's describing Rome Odunze.
There's been rumblings that Schoen/Daboll aren't as tied together as some think and Schoen can possibly survive a bad season that winds up getting Daboll fired.
The question comes up "would Schoen draft his guy vs the one Daboll wants knowing he might out last him here?"
I do think Nabors is the Giants #1 guy. The explosive plays jump off the screen. Then Harrison is the surest of sure things and Rome with such a unigue body/skillset. Any of these guys would be a great addition and immediately changes the WR group into a strength. If Hyatt can improve the WR group can be electric and cause DCs fits. Speed kills.
I would say at this point, I think there is a 90% chance the Giants stay at 6 and get a WR. I think they would take a QB if the right guy fell (Maye) but it appears at least 3 and possibly 4 will go top 5 with Minnesota looking to be aggressive. I do think the Giants woulod trade with Minnesota if they came calling. Look at the 30 visits, it's WR & QB heavy with a few options with a trade down. It's QB or WR if they stay at 6 100%.
+2. Pearsall would be a great pick at #47.
Wonder if the Giants have their eyes set on Corley.
I don’t think the Giants will have their eyes set on a slot receiver at all. Already have a good one. Need an outside receiver.
Giants are in a good position in this draft. They either come out with a new QB or an all-pro WR. Like everyone else, I can't wait to see which way they go.
Sit and let it come to us.
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This is why I'd happily pick Odunze or Nabers at #6. Get the blue chip talent if your QB target is gone.
JonC. My opinion always evolves on the draft as we get closer. This year I feel strongly we should sit. I would be happy with any one of 7 players, maybe 8. I don’t want to trade, maybe move back a spot or 2 if a surprise happens in front of us. Any of those WR on this teams looks really good to me. I like all 4 of the top QBs and like Penix(ceiling off the charts)
Sit and let it come to us.
I'm ok with it as well, because of the blue chip WR talent. Hell, they could pick Turner and I'm ok with it too.
NYG needs impact talent as well as QB.
Maybe we hire Ben Johnson and give Goff $55M a year in FA. I don't know if that's good or bad.
in buffalo diggs has been a 1/3 slot player despite often playing with other frequent slot players (beasley, shakir, gabe davis).
i think the daboll offense far prefers guys who can play all 3 spots than guys who can play wide a lot, and slayton/hyatt are guys they have played wide a lot. even wandale has played 20% wide.
So for me, the ranking of the six players is pretty obvious:
1) Williams
2) Daniels
3) Maye
4) Harrison
5) Nabers
6) Odunze
When Schoen is up, he simply needs to pick the highest remaining available player on this list. If he does anything else, it will be because 1) he has fallen full bloom in love with a lesser valued prospect and is repeating the 2019 fatal mistake of reaching for need or 2) he is forcing a quarterback pick, not to improve the team, but to buy time in his GM role, worth at least four years on the Mara patience scale, going by Gettleman's 2019-2022 precedent.
I think that is a short sighted statement. They will draft the best player for the team, period. It will go toward their "plan". Daboll's continued employment will not be dependent on who the QB is. The choice of a WR is a team choice, not Daboll's.
The problem with your POV is that it is only your POV. You seem to think yours is the only way to build the roster.
It is true they need a QB. I am pretty certain they know that. If Schoen and the FO decide that the QB they want is not there then the logical choice is WR. The way to get fired is to draft a QB they know full well is not going to be competitive to start over a WR that they know will. And in that case it is Schoen that will get let go.
The only way Daboll is shitcanned is if he has a Judgian meltdown or Schoen/Mara see no improvement in the play of the roster or the players quit on him.
Maybe we hire Ben Johnson and give Goff $55M a year in FA. I don't know if that's good or bad.
Yeah I know, but Schoen must either get with the program and start making less green decisions, or he'll be gone too.
This is why this board is so toxic around this topic.
Mara usually panics in such situations.
Mara usually panics in such situations.
No, they will be better off with a rookie QB on the bench and Jones or Lock under center with the same WRs....
I want a QB, but not at any price....within reason ok. But sounds like there will be no reason to it.
We were dangerously close to a Judgian meltdown at the beginning of last year. Had the rest of the season played out that way and they had not had that little run with DeVito, Daboll would be in hotter water. We were uncompetitive with Jones at QB. With a little bad luck on the schedule it's not hard to imagine us being a bad team once again. We need all player acquisitions to work out to not be quite frankly.
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The only way Daboll is shitcanned is if he has a Judgian meltdown or Schoen/Mara see no improvement in the play of the roster or the players quit on him.
We were dangerously close to a Judgian meltdown at the beginning of last year. Had the rest of the season played out that way and they had not had that little run with DeVito, Daboll would be in hotter water. We were uncompetitive with Jones at QB. With a little bad luck on the schedule it's not hard to imagine us being a bad team once again. We need all player acquisitions to work out to not be quite frankly.
Well you oversimplified that. They had so many injuries to start the year(along with bad play). Jones was a disaster and so was the oline. The defense was not so hot for 6/8 weeks.
I don't remember Daboll having a meltdown on the Judge level - babbling at press conferences, running QB draws inside their own 10.... Did he get pissed at some guys that fucked up? Yes - name a coach that does not.
Still scared JJ is moving up because of necessity not worth.
Sit at 6 and Pick Odunze or JJ. I can get behind either. But to me its a lottery ticket vs cash in hand situation. You cant let the fear not getting a QB stop you.
Draft Odunze and make a play to get into a position to get a QB if you want.
I don't remember Daboll having a meltdown on the Judge level - babbling at press conferences, running QB draws inside their own 10.... Did he get pissed at some guys that fucked up? Yes - name a coach that does not.
I'm speaking more towards the losses and embarrassment piling up, the latter of which is what causes this owner to act. I don't think Daboll's job as secure as you do if he's not developing a new QB in 2024 and I'll leave it at that.
Seems obvious to me.....
The choice between a Pro-Bowl WR vs a decent, possibly good, possible middle of the pack QB.....seems easy.
With several deep and strong WR draft classes in recent past.....will draft class in near future continue to deliver new studs to the NFL at WRs? Anything like this year?
This is the one thing that can create hesitation in pursuing WR art the top
The 2025 Draft is going to have another 1-3 blue chip WRs - one that may be better than all three in this class
I don't have one that stands out
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Well you oversimplified that. They had so many injuries to start the year(along with bad play). Jones was a disaster and so was the oline. The defense was not so hot for 6/8 weeks.
I don't remember Daboll having a meltdown on the Judge level - babbling at press conferences, running QB draws inside their own 10.... Did he get pissed at some guys that fucked up? Yes - name a coach that does not.
I'm speaking more towards the losses and embarrassment piling up, the latter of which is what causes this owner to act. I don't think Daboll's job as secure as you do if he's not developing a new QB in 2024 and I'll leave it at that.
We will disagree. Because whatever they do 1st night of the draft will be a TEAM decision, not Daboll alone. It will involve Mara, Schoen, FO and Daboll. If Daboll's job is dependent on drafting a QB, he should quit now.
With that line of reasoning, it is Schoen's job to lose Thursday night, not Daboll.
Two questions:
1. Of the batch of guys who didn't get a write-up, who intrigues you the most? Means?
2. Where do you rank this class of receivers versus other classes you have "officially" reviewed?
1) I have write ups on 25 more guys - just don't post them all. Of the guys not in the write ups (top 15) that interest me the most in terms of someone that can be a top tier guy (Nacua for ex) - Coker and Polk
This is the one thing that can create hesitation in pursuing WR art the top
The 2025 Draft is going to have another 1-3 blue chip WRs - one that may be better than all three in this class
Burden or McMillian?
Nothing stands out
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This is a special WR draft class!
Seems obvious to me.....
The choice between a Pro-Bowl WR vs a decent, possibly good, possible middle of the pack QB.....seems easy.
With several deep and strong WR draft classes in recent past.....will draft class in near future continue to deliver new studs to the NFL at WRs? Anything like this year?
This is the one thing that can create hesitation in pursuing WR art the top
The 2025 Draft is going to have another 1-3 blue chip WRs - one that may be better than all three in this class
Sy,
Luther Burden?
Also do you see Nabers as a better prospect ttan Jamarr Chase coming out? Chase was a bit more physical, Nabers seems a bit faster and better sudden moves in and out of cuts.
Leave the QB's. Take the WR.
Jacob Cowing Arizona 5083 168
Five-year starter. All-Pac 12 in 2023 and 2022. All Conference USA in 2020 and first team in 2021, as he began his career at UTEP. Cowing was strictly an underneath threat (5.9 yard average depth of target was fifth lowest nationally among receivers with 100+ targets) that has a hard time breaking tackles and winning in contested situations. His fit within a pro-offense needs to be very precise and the size limitations will keep him out of certain roles. The talent and potential impact from the slot are real, though. Twitchy, loose slot receiver that ended his career with a catch in 56-straight games. Led the Pac-12 in receptions from beginning of 2022 to the end of 2023. Quarterback-friendly target that can find the vacancies in coverages. Ultra-quick mind complements ultra-quick feet. Experienced and consistent. Accelerates to his top speed in an instant. Plays the mental game well, showing ability to play games with the cover man. Makes the read and reacts at the right moment to maximize separation. Attacks the ball with his hands, shows quality mechanics. Too many drops on film and there is not much he can do in contested situations with diminutive frame. Struggles to get through arm tackles. Minimal impact in the few opportunities he had as a returner.
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Who is your Thomas NFL pro comp?
I don't have one that stands out
A faster Chris Carter?
You may be right - he is a quality player
Harrison
Four-year starter. All-Big Ten in 2023. Johnson is an experienced and battle tested receiver with above average size and speed. On paper he looks like a high-ceiling player that can be an explosive maker. Over his career, however, he never fully developed his skill set to a point where he was a dangerous threat that needed to be game planned against. He was never the number one guy. With that said, Johnson was always one of their top two or three options over the course of four seasons. In addition, he was and can be a real factor on special teams and as a blocker. The tools are good enough to warrant a roster spot and his unique blend of size, speed, and physical presence raises his floor. Developed as a pass catcher in traffic. Coordinated and accurate when attacking the football. Has the baseline athleticism to promote the idea of more upside to be acquired. Nasty attitude. At very least, will make an impact on specials and on the perimeter as a blocker. Does not create enough separation. Telegraphs routes and intentions. Slow to turn his head toward the ball. Ineffective and lethargic after the catch.
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This is the one thing that can create hesitation in pursuing WR art the top
The 2025 Draft is going to have another 1-3 blue chip WRs - one that may be better than all three in this class
Burden or McMillian?
the latter
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This is the one thing that can create hesitation in pursuing WR art the top
The 2025 Draft is going to have another 1-3 blue chip WRs - one that may be better than all three in this class
Burden or McMillian?
the latter
Agreed. Cant help to think of Mike Evans when watching him. I was thinking he may have hit the porter this offseason, but with Fifitia staying - I guess it was a no brainer.
We can win 4 - 9 games with or without an All-Pro level WR. Until we solve the QB problem, we aren't going to be a serious contender.
This is why this board is so toxic around this topic.
this!!!
Leave the QB's. Take the WR.
Leave the QB's. Take the WR.
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You would be the first candidate to be banned on BBI things to change to the forum.... lol
McMillian from Arizona.
Nope
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This is the one thing that can create hesitation in pursuing WR art the top
The 2025 Draft is going to have another 1-3 blue chip WRs - one that may be better than all three in this class
Burden or McMillian?
the latter
McMillian absolutely jumps off the screen, he is extremely impressive. Definitely up there with the top 3 this year in my mind.
Evan Stewart, A&M. He just needs a QB to solidify it.
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Evan Stewart, A&M. He just needs a QB to solidify it.
Maybe that’s why he transferred to Oregon. Thanks. Gonna watch him rn, actually
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Who is that elite WR prospect in 2025 that you elude too? The Mizzou kid?
Evan Stewart, A&M. He just needs a QB to solidify it.
Maybe that’s why he transferred to Oregon. Thanks. Gonna watch him rn, actually
Agreed. He needed to get out of College Station. QB situation is a soap opera.
Dillon Gabriel is a very good college QB. So, Stewart should take off.
Take that 50/50 WR top 6 Pick nonsense and trash it.
The top 3 will all hit.
I don't understand your post? Are you saying that the first three picks are WR and none fall to s? Great then we can get one of the three QBs
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The odds of one of the top 3 WRs failing is 0 percent.
Take that 50/50 WR top 6 Pick nonsense and trash it.
The top 3 will all hit.
I don't understand your post? Are you saying that the first three picks are WR and none fall to s? Great then we can get one of the three QBs
I think it is easy to understand. He's saying when Sy has a WR rated that high, he is batting 1.000. Therefore, he's using this as confirmation that any of the top 3 WR would be a great pick for the Giants. He's also referencing how people say that taking a first round WR is like a 50/50 success/fail rate.
That's a thread starter question.
This is why this board is so toxic around this topic.
I have disagreed with you on many things, but I agree with you on this.
with 3 WRS rated highe than any QB, I'd have to say yes. A team with as many holes to fill as the Giants need to take the baest players, not draft solely for need. BOth QB and WR are needs
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I'd say no we wouldn't, but I don't think this is the question. The real question is if its worth the cost of trading up to #3 and taking a QB, or is it a better plan to stay at #6 and keep our draft capital, and draft a top 3 WR. This I believe is what the fans are split on
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If the Giants were picking in the top 3, would QB/WR still be a debate?
with 3 WRS rated highe than any QB, I'd have to say yes. A team with as many holes to fill as the Giants need to take the baest players, not draft solely for need. BOth QB and WR are needs
Is there any talk of either WSH or NE taking a WR?
No. They would run to the podium to take either Daniels or Maye. But at least Barkley and McKinney got to finish 2023 as Giants and contribute to those exciting wins in Nov and Dec...
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Leave the QB's. Take the WR.
LOL< THIS!!!
How do you think things unfold if the team went 3-14?
There would have been more than the stupid 24:00:00 on a clipboard.
They have weapons, depth, defense, etc...
None of it matters b/c whenever they face a top QB in Mahomes, Lamar, they get beat b/c Brock ain't it.
If you're going to make the argument to pick a non-QB at 6, then pick Turner and fortify the defense which has been the Giants identity for decades. Don't waste it on another position that's completely dependent on a subpar player at the most important position on the team.
or the need to remind the guilty parties that the
'But who is going to throw him the ball?' line is short-sighted and lacks awareness when it comes to roster building.
Sy - Grades have to exclude speculation. But inclined to ask, especially at this position, whether you or any of your contacts around the league have a feel for long-term sign-ability if these players hit their ceiling. Thinking about how Harrison and team have chosen to position him publicly. I would have questions about how reasonable and how much good faith will be applied in negotiations 4-5 years from now.
You can't look to get a deal on a star player, but I'm interested if you think this can be a tie-breaker on the character side when the team is on the clock.
They have weapons, depth, defense, etc...
None of it matters b/c whenever they face a top QB in Mahomes, Lamar, they get beat b/c Brock ain't it.
If you're going to make the argument to pick a non-QB at 6, then pick Turner and fortify the defense which has been the Giants identity for decades. Don't waste it on another position that's completely dependent on a subpar player at the most important position on the team.
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Next year there again will probably be more highly rated players than the QBs. So punt again?
Next year there again will probably be more highly rated players than the QBs. So punt again?
No. What you can't do is take a player you have rated as a Day 2 pick at #6 overall just because he plays QB. If you think a QB available at 6 is Daniel Jones (whom Sy compared one of the Top 6 QB's to) or worse you pass.
Next year there again will probably be more highly rated players than the QBs. So punt again?
+1.
Many on here scared of their own shadow.
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You can't draft the next Rodgers or Mahomes unless you actually draft them. Mahomes went 10th in his draft. Rodgers went what, 22 or something?
Next year there again will probably be more highly rated players than the QBs. So punt again?
No. What you can't do is take a player you have rated as a Day 2 pick at #6 overall just because he plays QB. If you think a QB available at 6 is Daniel Jones (whom Sy compared one of the Top 6 QB's to) or worse you pass.
But you can trade down. If the WR is as good as SY said-- then ofc you can trade down.
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You can't draft the next Rodgers or Mahomes unless you actually draft them. Mahomes went 10th in his draft. Rodgers went what, 22 or something?
Next year there again will probably be more highly rated players than the QBs. So punt again?
No. What you can't do is take a player you have rated as a Day 2 pick at #6 overall just because he plays QB. If you think a QB available at 6 is Daniel Jones (whom Sy compared one of the Top 6 QB's to) or worse you pass.
But you can trade down. If the WR is as good as SY said-- then ofc you can trade down.
It takes two to tango. Just because there are stud WR's there does not mean there is a team willing to trade up for one. I am sure Joe Schoen and company are having those discussions as the statements that have come out indicate that he is someone who does plan for a lot of contingencies.
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You can't draft the next Rodgers or Mahomes unless you actually draft them. Mahomes went 10th in his draft. Rodgers went what, 22 or something?
Next year there again will probably be more highly rated players than the QBs. So punt again?
No. What you can't do is take a player you have rated as a Day 2 pick at #6 overall just because he plays QB. If you think a QB available at 6 is Daniel Jones (whom Sy compared one of the Top 6 QB's to) or worse you pass.
But you can trade down. If the WR is as good as SY said-- then ofc you can trade down.
It takes two to tango. Just because there are stud WR's there does not mean there is a team willing to trade up for one. I am sure Joe Schoen and company are having those discussions as the statements that have come out indicate that he is someone who does plan for a lot of contingencies.
If there is a trade partner, would you do it? I get the feeling SY and others would have to be compeletely blown over. Some of us -- won't.
I believe many of us that are puhsing QB so hard realize that the Giants have to like the QB a real lot-- so with that said -- I think at least some of us are saying is that would be an enormous long term mistake to take the WR if that QB that you traded back for is good.
I take it that you don't agree with this?
When rumors of the interest in Jones started leaking out, many thought that we could comfortably snag him at #17, not #6. It was shocking at the time that they took him so high.
or the need to remind the guilty parties that the
'But who is going to throw him the ball?' line is short-sighted and lacks awareness when it comes to roster building.
Sy - Grades have to exclude speculation. But inclined to ask, especially at this position, whether you or any of your contacts around the league have a feel for long-term sign-ability if these players hit their ceiling. Thinking about how Harrison and team have chosen to position him publicly. I would have questions about how reasonable and how much good faith will be applied in negotiations 4-5 years from now.
You can't look to get a deal on a star player, but I'm interested if you think this can be a tie-breaker on the character side when the team is on the clock.
Tiebreakers can easily be character based. Some teams even value it more than that.
I have never heard re-signability determining a grade but I do believe the character, maturity, and team-first attitude especially at WR is the umbrella that falls under. And yes - it can move the needle
Mara usually panics in such situations.
And what kind of season would you expect if you add one of the top QBs to our stable of QBs? Pretty much the same. I simply don't understand why everyone is so worried about next season
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is a disaster/mistake. However, I do think there's a very real risk here that if they go into the season with Jones/Lock/DeVito, the season blows up in their faces again like last year. And, I'm not sure this regime can survive a 3-6 win season combined with another Jones injury, a half empty stadium, and fan outrage/booing with Jones under center.
Mara usually panics in such situations.
And what kind of season would you expect if you add one of the top QBs to our stable of QBs? Pretty much the same. I simply don't understand why everyone is so worried about next season
But if you drafted a QB and he got you 6 wins with a much better offense in which your QB perfomed -- that would be better, wouldn't it?
Jones is broken down more than likely. Lock is a backup. If they get you 6 wins - it's not the same is it? Because next year you will be probably out of range for a QB, wouldn't you?
They went 3-3 with DeVito as the starter. It's not unreasonable to think that with a much more talented rookie they'd win 6 or 7 games.
Don't agree with the tone/context of your post.
1--- You had one of the worst OL's in modern NFL History and now you have added two proboble starters along with Schmitz coming back healthy in which he wasn't that bad before his injury - you have a better OL. - Not "awful."
2--- Your QB play was so bad that you basically had Devito outperforming Jones. There is little chance that with a better OL that a QB taken at 6 can't outpeform Cutlets.
3--- You picked up an impact Pass Rusher - a position of High Value in which you replace a player of low value.
4--- Your schedule is probably going to be easier.
So add up OL better, then better QB play than last year, then already more impact on Defense in the trenches (and overall better on both sides in the trenches), along with a probale easier schedule --
then yes 6 wins.
The fanbase wil lbe down on the franchise with a broken down QB, a backup Qb with no potential, and the play of Cutlets.
This is why this board is so toxic around this topic.
Well we'll never know, but if the Cardinals had taken Eli and we'd taken Fitzgerald, would we have won a Super Bowl? Would they have?
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People acting like taking an all pro type receiver being compared to Larry Fitzgerald, instead of the 4th best QB in the draft, would be a bad thing.
This is why this board is so toxic around this topic.
Well we'll never know, but if the Cardinals had taken Eli and we'd taken Fitzgerald, would we have won a Super Bowl? Would they have?
Your question assumes there is an Eli in this crop of QBs. I don't see it.
-Simms (1979)
-Manning (2004)
-Jones (2019)
Technically Dave Brown cost NYG a first round pick in 1993, but that was through the supplemental draft. But, the point is - NYG rarely takes a swing at QB. This is a strong QB class. Just looking at Sy's grades, this is one of the stronger QB classes since he's been doing this for BBI.
When is the time right for NYG to take a QB?
The Giants actually fumbled only two fewer times than their opponents, but they lost only seven.
Agreed. If they don’t trade down, personally, I would expect Odunze.
Nabers definitely has better separation ability, but Odunze's play style will be better in the red zone and 3rd downs while also leading to a longer healthier career, imp.
Odunze is good at finding soft spots in zone, great with contested catches, underrated yac. Odunze is a classic X receiver.
Nabers separation ability just jumps off the screen and screams elite. He has extreme burst and wiggle, his single and double moves are elite too.
I imagine Odunze would get the edge if they were rated about the same due to his flawless character. I can see why Daboll supposedly REALLY likes Nabers though. He's a classic Z Daboll could use to attack from everywhere on the field.
Not an Odunze issue. I actually think he is better at the start of his route / getting off press man than the others
Washington offense was a bit predictable - I often knew what route he was running. I would imagine college coaches knew as well. There wasn't a ton of variety.
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About Odunze’s ability to separate. Anything to that?
Not an Odunze issue. I actually think he is better at the start of his route / getting off press man than the others
Washington offense was a bit predictable - I often knew what route he was running. I would imagine college coaches knew as well. There wasn't a ton of variety.
Good to know! How do you compare Odunze vs Nabers in terms of their hands? Sometimes on tape it seems like Nabers has stickier hands, but it's hard to say because most of Nabers receptions were not thrown very hard at all velocity wise.