bed confessions? When you know you're going, like he probably did, if you are ever going to get things right with your maker, that's the time to do it.
To be fair he already wrote a gross book where he all but confessed.
I remember Opie & Anthony with Jim Norton reviewing the chapter where the murder takes place and saying "My God either OJ is an amazing writer or this is exactly what happened!", LOL.
I read it too and got the same conclusion.
What I did find interesting is that it seemed to corroborate a theory I was told by an LA lawyer associate who was practicing at the time of the murder who mentioned to me things that never really got into the public eye.
He said there had been a warrant out for the arrest of OJ's son Jason, but then that was quickly retracted for some reason. The idea that was pervasive among those in his circle was that this was a two person operation, where one did the killing and/or the clean up....
It would appear based on the knowledge we have of the case that very likely that would've been an accomplice who disposed of the murder weapon (which was never found despite a super thorough search in LA and Chicago) at the very minimum, possibly clothes as well. There exists the very possibility OJ didn't kill these two people but was witness to it.
The book references this accomplice as "Charlie", and thus to me confirms the theory.
What most people never seemed to dispute in all this, was that the timeframe from the murder to OJ's flight departure all happened in under a 90 minute time frame, possibly closer to 70-75 minutes. That's an insane window to perform something like this in and still make it to the airport on time. Granted it was 1994 and not modern day where such would be impossible maybe (flying commercial at least), but nobody seemed to really give credence to the fact that a non contract killer could do such a thing by himself, go home, shower, and get to the airport in time.
The two person theory would help this substantially, and as my friend said "The defense team knew this and used it in court". Had it been framed as a two person murder and not one, it likely could've had a stronger case for conviction.
There was so much DNA evidence plus the Bruno Magli shoes, and the Bronco chase......circumstantially, OJ was guilty AF.....but only of being responsible, not necessarily the actual killer.
And that's a nuance that to me helps hold up his "innocence" in the actual charges that were brought to him.
If it was a two person operation, he would still be guilty of the murder charges. Please don't tell me you don't realize that...
It's too bad that this happened before CSI and forensics went
Darden having OJ try on the glove…probably one of the biggest fuck up decisions in legal history.
the problem was that he had him try on the fucking glove with a white cotton glove already on! This is because he used the actual glove. He should have gotten an exact replica of the glove and have him try that one on without the white glove or not tried that maneuver at all!
None of it mattered. That jury was going to acquit him no matter what and some of the jurors have subsequently said as much. Once the trial became about race, there was nothing the prosecution could do. Yes, it was not the first or last time we have effectively had jury nullification of the law. But that's what it was.
Simpson was a monster who avoided spending the rest of his life in prison because that jury ignored the obvious facts and made an emotional decision to make a point.
I, for one, will never forget every moment of Friday June 17, 1994.
I remember being pissed that NBC kept putting the Knicks-Rockets game in a little window at the top of the screen so that we could see the Bronco being slowly chased around LA
The World Cup was on that day too. I was at a client's trading room in Connecticut with multiple TVs going. It was pretty wild.
What most people never seemed to dispute in all this, was that the timeframe from the murder to OJ's flight departure all happened in under a 90 minute time frame, possibly closer to 70-75 minutes. That's an insane window to perform something like this in and still make it to the airport on time. Granted it was 1994 and not modern day where such would be impossible maybe (flying commercial at least), but nobody seemed to really give credence to the fact that a non contract killer could do such a thing by himself, go home, shower, and get to the airport in time.
It is incredible how efficient he was with his time, but two things to keep in mind:
1) He didn’t know Ron Goldman would be there, so he was planning to only kill Nicole.
2) He cost himself time by going to McDonald’s with Kato Kaelin - the prosecution believed he had no intention of going there, he just told Kato so there’d be an alibi. Idiot Kato invited himself to join, so the two of them went. He also took his Bentley to McDonald’s, not his Bronco - presumably because the Bronco had the knife and change of clothes in it.
bed confessions? When you know you're going, like he probably did, if you are ever going to get things right with your maker, that's the time to do it.
To be fair he already wrote a gross book where he all but confessed.
I remember Opie & Anthony with Jim Norton reviewing the chapter where the murder takes place and saying "My God either OJ is an amazing writer or this is exactly what happened!", LOL.
I read it too and got the same conclusion.
What I did find interesting is that it seemed to corroborate a theory I was told by an LA lawyer associate who was practicing at the time of the murder who mentioned to me things that never really got into the public eye.
He said there had been a warrant out for the arrest of OJ's son Jason, but then that was quickly retracted for some reason. The idea that was pervasive among those in his circle was that this was a two person operation, where one did the killing and/or the clean up....
It would appear based on the knowledge we have of the case that very likely that would've been an accomplice who disposed of the murder weapon (which was never found despite a super thorough search in LA and Chicago) at the very minimum, possibly clothes as well. There exists the very possibility OJ didn't kill these two people but was witness to it.
The book references this accomplice as "Charlie", and thus to me confirms the theory.
What most people never seemed to dispute in all this, was that the timeframe from the murder to OJ's flight departure all happened in under a 90 minute time frame, possibly closer to 70-75 minutes. That's an insane window to perform something like this in and still make it to the airport on time. Granted it was 1994 and not modern day where such would be impossible maybe (flying commercial at least), but nobody seemed to really give credence to the fact that a non contract killer could do such a thing by himself, go home, shower, and get to the airport in time.
The two person theory would help this substantially, and as my friend said "The defense team knew this and used it in court". Had it been framed as a two person murder and not one, it likely could've had a stronger case for conviction.
There was so much DNA evidence plus the Bruno Magli shoes, and the Bronco chase......circumstantially, OJ was guilty AF.....but only of being responsible, not necessarily the actual killer.
And that's a nuance that to me helps hold up his "innocence" in the actual charges that were brought to him.
If it was a two person operation, he would still be guilty of the murder charges. Please don't tell me you don't realize that...
I agree, but since the prosecution (or most of the public for that matter) never saw it that way, they couldn't frame the argument well enough, or to an extent where the Furhman angle shouldn't have mattered.
They were under the assumption it was a one person operation the entire time.
I mean even the choice of word that OJ used to find "the real killerS", plural, can't be accidental IMO.
Michael B. Jordan probably has a a script ready to go lol.
Who here saw the verdict live?
I was a junior at Bronx Science, and saw it in one of the science lab TVs with maybe another 20-30 people huddled around. I believe I was lucky to have a free period during the verdict announcement, but I know a lot of other students saw it live at various locations around the school, which is surreal to think about nearly 30 years later.
I agree, it was wild how popular that trial was. And truth be told, OJ was well known and popular, but he wasn't quite the megastar you'd think he would have to be to receive similar treatment today.
I was a sophomore in high school. They wheeled the TVs in.
What I remember-besides being bewildered that he was going to walk-was how different the reaction was amongst races.
I was a sophomore in Geometry class. They actually stopped class to make a school-wide announcement over the loudspeaker. I lived in a pretty diverse area of Central Jersey (Old Bridge) and it was definitely odd to see a not insignificant number of people celebrating an obviously guilty person evade justice.
But between the lines of an NFL field, he was arguably the best RB I ever saw (I don't remember watching Jim Brown). His 2,000 yds in 14 games in 1973 was amazing, and he created stars out of his OL. They were nicknamed the Electric Company.
I actually follow Kim Goldman a bit on social media.
She’s a huge sports fan (Chicago teams) and has a son who plays college basketball at a small school somewhere. She does a lot of advocacy work for victims of crimes, not surprisingly. No word from her today on social media.
Then the rights to the book were awarded to the Goldmans as part of the judgment in their civil suit, and they had the book reprinted with "if" in tiny letters
What a disgusting human being.
And it’s crazy how much OJ was loved prior to June ‘94. I thought he was a horrific broadcaster for NBC, but people loved him from the Hertz commercials and The Naked Gun movies.
So a few years ago my wife and I were watching the documentary "OJ: Made in America," which is excellent by the way, and my wife says "Oh, there's our landlord."
WHAT???
"Yeah, that's Fred, our landlord."
The doc includes an interview with the director of the Hertz commercials where OJ ran through airports. He was pretty interesting, basically talking about how the goal was to make OJ be not-Black. Anysay, he used the money he made directing commercials to invest in Los Angeles real estate. He owned the building we lived in. He'd park in the space across from mine and we'd see him occasionally. He has since passed away and the building was sold, but yup, that was Fred.
and there was a story I read about how when he was 16 yrs old, he met Jim Brown in a milk shake shop in San Fran when the Browns were out there.
He walked up to Jim Brown and told him that he was going to break his rushing records one day.
Now about the murders..
I have always suspected his son because there was some inconsistencies with the DNA evidence. I thought his son did it and OJ was covering it up.
At the scene, there were bloody footprints going to where his car was supposedly parked, but his car mats had no blood. Only just a small spot on the door and another small spot inside. With the amount of blood involved, there would have been more blood in his car. I felt he or someone just opened the door to get something but never went inside.
Next, the police said they found a bowl of UNMELTED ice cream on the counter/table inside of Nicole's house. With the amount of time that had passed, there is no way for that to be possible if the ice cream belonged to her.
He had something to do with this, but the police and DA completely screwed up.
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bed confessions? When you know you're going, like he probably did, if you are ever going to get things right with your maker, that's the time to do it.
To be fair he already wrote a gross book where he all but confessed.
I remember Opie & Anthony with Jim Norton reviewing the chapter where the murder takes place and saying "My God either OJ is an amazing writer or this is exactly what happened!", LOL.
I read it too and got the same conclusion.
What I did find interesting is that it seemed to corroborate a theory I was told by an LA lawyer associate who was practicing at the time of the murder who mentioned to me things that never really got into the public eye.
He said there had been a warrant out for the arrest of OJ's son Jason, but then that was quickly retracted for some reason. The idea that was pervasive among those in his circle was that this was a two person operation, where one did the killing and/or the clean up....
It would appear based on the knowledge we have of the case that very likely that would've been an accomplice who disposed of the murder weapon (which was never found despite a super thorough search in LA and Chicago) at the very minimum, possibly clothes as well. There exists the very possibility OJ didn't kill these two people but was witness to it.
The book references this accomplice as "Charlie", and thus to me confirms the theory.
What most people never seemed to dispute in all this, was that the timeframe from the murder to OJ's flight departure all happened in under a 90 minute time frame, possibly closer to 70-75 minutes. That's an insane window to perform something like this in and still make it to the airport on time. Granted it was 1994 and not modern day where such would be impossible maybe (flying commercial at least), but nobody seemed to really give credence to the fact that a non contract killer could do such a thing by himself, go home, shower, and get to the airport in time.
The two person theory would help this substantially, and as my friend said "The defense team knew this and used it in court". Had it been framed as a two person murder and not one, it likely could've had a stronger case for conviction.
There was so much DNA evidence plus the Bruno Magli shoes, and the Bronco chase......circumstantially, OJ was guilty AF.....but only of being responsible, not necessarily the actual killer.
And that's a nuance that to me helps hold up his "innocence" in the actual charges that were brought to him.
If it was a two person operation, he would still be guilty of the murder charges. Please don't tell me you don't realize that...
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Darden having OJ try on the glove…probably one of the biggest fuck up decisions in legal history.
the problem was that he had him try on the fucking glove with a white cotton glove already on! This is because he used the actual glove. He should have gotten an exact replica of the glove and have him try that one on without the white glove or not tried that maneuver at all!
None of it mattered. That jury was going to acquit him no matter what and some of the jurors have subsequently said as much. Once the trial became about race, there was nothing the prosecution could do. Yes, it was not the first or last time we have effectively had jury nullification of the law. But that's what it was.
Simpson was a monster who avoided spending the rest of his life in prison because that jury ignored the obvious facts and made an emotional decision to make a point.
Police Slowly Escort White Hearse Containing O.J. Simpson - ( New Window )
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I, for one, will never forget every moment of Friday June 17, 1994.
I remember being pissed that NBC kept putting the Knicks-Rockets game in a little window at the top of the screen so that we could see the Bronco being slowly chased around LA
The World Cup was on that day too. I was at a client's trading room in Connecticut with multiple TVs going. It was pretty wild.
LOL. So many great lines but this one is my fave on here
I was at my 5 year college reunion and they kept interupting the Knicks game for the stupid f-ing Bronco.
Goddaughter or daughter?
It would explain a lot of his actions from later 90’s and onward.
Or humans just do what they want and we just grasp for excuses.
It is incredible how efficient he was with his time, but two things to keep in mind:
1) He didn’t know Ron Goldman would be there, so he was planning to only kill Nicole.
2) He cost himself time by going to McDonald’s with Kato Kaelin - the prosecution believed he had no intention of going there, he just told Kato so there’d be an alibi. Idiot Kato invited himself to join, so the two of them went. He also took his Bentley to McDonald’s, not his Bronco - presumably because the Bronco had the knife and change of clothes in it.
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and it was posted posthumously on social media, it really would “break the internet.” His goddaughter Kim Kardashian would be insanely jealous.
Goddaughter or daughter?
Ha! Good question. Maybe he confessed to that too.
We're all going to get that.
Just an incredibly interesting life he lived.
Michael B. Jordan probably has a a script ready to go lol.
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bed confessions? When you know you're going, like he probably did, if you are ever going to get things right with your maker, that's the time to do it.
To be fair he already wrote a gross book where he all but confessed.
I remember Opie & Anthony with Jim Norton reviewing the chapter where the murder takes place and saying "My God either OJ is an amazing writer or this is exactly what happened!", LOL.
I read it too and got the same conclusion.
What I did find interesting is that it seemed to corroborate a theory I was told by an LA lawyer associate who was practicing at the time of the murder who mentioned to me things that never really got into the public eye.
He said there had been a warrant out for the arrest of OJ's son Jason, but then that was quickly retracted for some reason. The idea that was pervasive among those in his circle was that this was a two person operation, where one did the killing and/or the clean up....
It would appear based on the knowledge we have of the case that very likely that would've been an accomplice who disposed of the murder weapon (which was never found despite a super thorough search in LA and Chicago) at the very minimum, possibly clothes as well. There exists the very possibility OJ didn't kill these two people but was witness to it.
The book references this accomplice as "Charlie", and thus to me confirms the theory.
What most people never seemed to dispute in all this, was that the timeframe from the murder to OJ's flight departure all happened in under a 90 minute time frame, possibly closer to 70-75 minutes. That's an insane window to perform something like this in and still make it to the airport on time. Granted it was 1994 and not modern day where such would be impossible maybe (flying commercial at least), but nobody seemed to really give credence to the fact that a non contract killer could do such a thing by himself, go home, shower, and get to the airport in time.
The two person theory would help this substantially, and as my friend said "The defense team knew this and used it in court". Had it been framed as a two person murder and not one, it likely could've had a stronger case for conviction.
There was so much DNA evidence plus the Bruno Magli shoes, and the Bronco chase......circumstantially, OJ was guilty AF.....but only of being responsible, not necessarily the actual killer.
And that's a nuance that to me helps hold up his "innocence" in the actual charges that were brought to him.
If it was a two person operation, he would still be guilty of the murder charges. Please don't tell me you don't realize that...
I agree, but since the prosecution (or most of the public for that matter) never saw it that way, they couldn't frame the argument well enough, or to an extent where the Furhman angle shouldn't have mattered.
They were under the assumption it was a one person operation the entire time.
I mean even the choice of word that OJ used to find "the real killerS", plural, can't be accidental IMO.
The Bronco hearse.....damn, those guys never disappoint, haha.
Just an incredibly interesting life he lived.
Michael B. Jordan probably has a a script ready to go lol.
Who here saw the verdict live?
I was a junior at Bronx Science, and saw it in one of the science lab TVs with maybe another 20-30 people huddled around. I believe I was lucky to have a free period during the verdict announcement, but I know a lot of other students saw it live at various locations around the school, which is surreal to think about nearly 30 years later.
I agree, it was wild how popular that trial was. And truth be told, OJ was well known and popular, but he wasn't quite the megastar you'd think he would have to be to receive similar treatment today.
Only the true Sky King above all other Sky Kings would know this
/nods head
What I remember-besides being bewildered that he was going to walk-was how different the reaction was amongst races.
What I remember-besides being bewildered that he was going to walk-was how different the reaction was amongst races.
I was a sophomore in Geometry class. They actually stopped class to make a school-wide announcement over the loudspeaker. I lived in a pretty diverse area of Central Jersey (Old Bridge) and it was definitely odd to see a not insignificant number of people celebrating an obviously guilty person evade justice.
I watched it live with my roommates
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Who here saw the verdict live?
I watched it live with my roommates
I was at work. Everyone stopped and ran to the conference room where we watch the slow moving Bronco chase on our big TV/SCreen
It was pretty funny
Kim
As 20 year olds, we were disappointed that the slow chase did not end with gunfire.
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Then the rights to the book were awarded to the Goldmans as part of the judgment in their civil suit, and they had the book reprinted with "if" in tiny letters
What a disgusting human being.
And it’s crazy how much OJ was loved prior to June ‘94. I thought he was a horrific broadcaster for NBC, but people loved him from the Hertz commercials and The Naked Gun movies.
WHAT???
"Yeah, that's Fred, our landlord."
The doc includes an interview with the director of the Hertz commercials where OJ ran through airports. He was pretty interesting, basically talking about how the goal was to make OJ be not-Black. Anysay, he used the money he made directing commercials to invest in Los Angeles real estate. He owned the building we lived in. He'd park in the space across from mine and we'd see him occasionally. He has since passed away and the building was sold, but yup, that was Fred.
Cancer tied with Norm but it beat OJ
Nobody had the Internet in work and there were no smart phones, etc.
I remember a girl getting off the phone and saying he was innocent.......and we were like "WTF"........
Nobody had the Internet in work and there were no smart phones, etc.
I remember a girl getting off the phone and saying he was innocent.......and we were like "WTF"........
He was never found "innocent." He was found not guilty criminally and civilly liable
He walked up to Jim Brown and told him that he was going to break his rushing records one day.
Now about the murders..
I have always suspected his son because there was some inconsistencies with the DNA evidence. I thought his son did it and OJ was covering it up.
At the scene, there were bloody footprints going to where his car was supposedly parked, but his car mats had no blood. Only just a small spot on the door and another small spot inside. With the amount of blood involved, there would have been more blood in his car. I felt he or someone just opened the door to get something but never went inside.
Next, the police said they found a bowl of UNMELTED ice cream on the counter/table inside of Nicole's house. With the amount of time that had passed, there is no way for that to be possible if the ice cream belonged to her.
He had something to do with this, but the police and DA completely screwed up.
I’m pretty sure it’s because they didn’t think he was believable as a killer. Ironic.