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Question QB vs WR

River Mike : 4/11/2024 11:40 am
I know various points of view on this have been beat to death but my question is coming from a slightly different direction ...which would have the greatest negative effect on a franchise, a bust on a high first round WR or a bust on a high first round QB?
I think the QB bust would be a bigger long term problem than the WR bust. I also think that evaluating the prospect of NFL success of a WR is likely easier than being sure of QB success. Now, that's not a slam dunk formula for deciding which way to go, just that if you go the QB route you should have a strong conviction, especially if you are spending additional draft capital on a team that sorely needs more, not less.
a bust at either position  
Rudy5757 : 4/11/2024 11:51 am : link
is equally bad. They need at star at 6 to get out of the bottom of the league. Hitting at either position helps, but hitting on the QB is a better option. But a bust is a bust at 6 and it kills you. look at what neal has done to the Giants? Imagine if he was even average?
Well, we are fresh off busting out on Kadarius Toney  
FranknWeezer : 4/11/2024 12:20 pm : link
so I suppose you could look at the impact of that situation and apply its affect to where we are now for guidance. Hard to say exactly, though, with so many other issues going on with the team (DG decisions, OL putrid, DJ injuries and such), etc.
RE: Well, we are fresh off busting out on Kadarius Toney  
Blue21 : 4/11/2024 12:44 pm : link
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so I suppose you could look at the impact of that situation and apply its affect to where we are now for guidance. Hard to say exactly, though, with so many other issues going on with the team (DG decisions, OL putrid, DJ injuries and such), etc.
Hate to say this again but that pick was nothing but idiotic. He had trouble written all over him. I only read about him and never saw him play but if the Giants scouts didn't know about him or DG ignored them then it was pure stupid.
I'm surprised  
River Mike : 4/11/2024 1:00 pm : link
anyone would say they are equally bad, especially with all the talk here of being in QB hell. I don't think I've seen any discussion of being in WR hell.
Bustin at QB again would be worst IMO  
PatersonPlank : 4/11/2024 1:27 pm : link
Its easier to move on from a WR pick
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Rudy5757 : 4/11/2024 2:22 pm : link
In comment 16465085 River Mike said:
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anyone would say they are equally bad, especially with all the talk here of being in QB hell. I don't think I've seen any discussion of being in WR hell.


Look at Neal, he’s been a disaster.
people afraid of a QB bust  
Darwinian : 4/11/2024 2:47 pm : link
hello.. we're in the middle of a QB bust. The answer is to move on quickly, not to avoid drafting a QB. You all sound like jilted boyfriends who don't want to date anymore.

Such a risk-averse fanbase. No wonder we were rated as the dumbest fanbase in the NFL.
Bust at QB are far worse because of the politics that go along with  
gpat1031 : 4/11/2024 3:27 pm : link
that position.
Also the bust rate of a QB compared to WR in the top 10 is a pretty wide margin.
RE: Bust at QB are far worse because of the politics that go along with  
Darwinian : 4/11/2024 4:20 pm : link
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that position.
Also the bust rate of a QB compared to WR in the top 10 is a pretty wide margin.


nonsense
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section125 : 4/11/2024 5:13 pm : link
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that position.
Also the bust rate of a QB compared to WR in the top 10 is a pretty wide margin.



nonsense


Yeah it is. A bust at QB leaves you nothing or maybe a backup. A bust at WR can still leave you a #3 or #4 WR.
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Go Terps : 4/11/2024 5:19 pm : link
If they draft a WR at 6, what's the plan at QB?
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Darwinian : 4/11/2024 5:26 pm : link
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that position.
Also the bust rate of a QB compared to WR in the top 10 is a pretty wide margin.



nonsense



Yeah it is. A bust at QB leaves you nothing or maybe a backup. A bust at WR can still leave you a #3 or #4 WR.


A #3 or #4 wr is totally fungible. it shouldn't enter into the decision-making. We presently have nothing at QB - ALREADY. You want to improve the team? Start cycling through QBs. It is complete incompetence that the Giants haven't drafted a QB since 2019. The rot in this organization is stunning.
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Thegratefulhead : 4/11/2024 5:27 pm : link
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If they draft a WR at 6, what's the plan at QB?
Hopefully we have made inquiries from 7 to the end of round and would try to trade back up if Penix falls. I would be willing to give up Next year’s 1 for Penix.

if I can’t get Penix I am drafting a QB later in the draft. Sans that, I like Lock a lot. I would have him ready when Jones body fails him. Lock has untapped upside IMO. I would actually let him compete with Jones in camp. Giants wont do that, will be presumptive starter if healthy.
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Thegratefulhead : 4/11/2024 5:29 pm : link
Our 2nd round pick
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section125 : 4/11/2024 5:42 pm : link
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that position.
Also the bust rate of a QB compared to WR in the top 10 is a pretty wide margin.



nonsense



Yeah it is. A bust at QB leaves you nothing or maybe a backup. A bust at WR can still leave you a #3 or #4 WR.



A #3 or #4 wr is totally fungible. it shouldn't enter into the decision-making. We presently have nothing at QB - ALREADY. You want to improve the team? Start cycling through QBs. It is complete incompetence that the Giants haven't drafted a QB since 2019. The rot in this organization is stunning.


That is idiotic. Cycle through QBs...what? they grow on trees? After a couple cycles, 4 years have passed. Then what? They are in the same place, still with no QB.

The question was what was worse a bust QB or a bust WR. A bust QB gets you looking for another QB with nothing to show. A bust WR is still somewhat useable - returner, gunner special teams.

But Yes, they need a to find a QB without question.

Well, I just typed  
River Mike : 4/11/2024 6:22 pm : link
a lengthy response as to why, given all the circumstances, I think one of the top WRs is a better play than one of the lesser QBs that are likely to be available to us. But then I realized that no argument on this is definitive, there is no surefire right answer. I am slightly in favor of one of the top WRs because I think they are an almost definite offensive upgrade that we need, and I'm not nearly that sure about the available QBs. But also because I think a mistake at QB is more harmful long term than a mistake at WR.

So what then is the plan at QB? Well options are DJ, Locke, later round draft choice, free agents between now and 2025, or trade. Great options? Perhaps not but neither is wasting a lot of capital on a QB you don't have a conviction on. And with a projected upgrade in the WR room, perhaps they would benefit whatever our best bet is at QB.

And P.S. If you DO have a solid conviction, then absolutely yes.
Hope is not a plan.  
BigBlueCane : 4/11/2024 6:49 pm : link
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