"Warren Sharp
@SharpFootball
this is wild
the easiest time to pass the ball is on 1st down
Daniel Jones ranked #48 of 48 QBs on 1st down efficiency (min 100 att in 2023)
just 30% of att were successful
NFL avg is 46%
a lot of it was sacks... ok...
BUT EVEN IF YOU REMOVE SACKS
he ranked #47 of 48 QBs
gross
even removing sacks, he was pressured a a high rate... ok...
BUT EVEN IF YOU REMOVE ATTEMPTS UNDER PRESSURE
he ranked #47 of 48 QBs
only Bailey Zappe was worse"
I am pretty sure that the top 3 teams dont want to trade out unless you offer some outrageous deal.
So if QBs go 1,2,3 is #4 worth taking over one of the WRs? Possibly depending on which QB is there
Is it worth trading up to #4 or #5 to get the 4th rated QB? I am pretty sure the Vikings will be looking to trade up so there is either real competition or perceived competition. I don't think it's worth trading up for 2 reasons, 1st the Giants have a lot of holes without starting caliber players and I think it will cost next years #1 to get the 4th QB. 2nd our cap situation with Jones contract is awful. Without picks we have no FA money to fill the gaps with anything other than vet minimum players and I think that would lead to us being in the running for the 1st overall pick next year. Is this years 4th QB better than the 1st QB next season plus a WR this year. I dont think so.
Teams that win with a young QB either have a good team in place (Giants with Eli, KC with Mahomes, Bills with Allen, Packers with Love) or dont have to trade up to get them and they can use those other picks to build the team (Cin with Burrow and Hou with Stroud). The Jets are a team that keeps trading up to get a QB and it never works.
Sit tight at 6 and let the draft come to us. There will be a very good player there. Look at how many including Sy have the WRs rated, thats need & Value.
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For crying out loud. How could you forget that happened?
Danny Kanell got the Giants to the playoffs too.
Kannel was a passenger who couldn't throw for 200 yards if his life depended on it. Jones helped the Giants get to the playoffs. There's a difference.
Jones had 11 games under 201 yards in 2022
It even happened to Eli Manning late in his career.
I'm beyond tired of this endless DJ debate - some factor in the dysfunction and bad supporting cast and some don't. Either way, we all know he's damaged goods and likely David Carr'd by now. Looks like he'll get one more chance to prove otherwise, but it'll likely be an audition for another team if the Giants can trade up for a QB.
We can all have our opinions on the guy, but one of the only facts we have is that the situation around him has been as bad as it gets in the NFL virtually his entire career. The one year things were semi-functional - 2022 - he looked solid. And even then - with a bad supporting cast.
Wow a rational viewpoint on Daniel Jones. I am not sure that is allowed on BBI.
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For crying out loud. How could you forget that happened?
Danny Kanell got the Giants to the playoffs too.
Kannel was a passenger who couldn't throw for 200 yards if his life depended on it. Jones helped the Giants get to the playoffs. There's a difference.
Wrong.
I saw Danny Kannell throw three touchdowns in a game in Philadelphia with the division on the line. When is the last time Jones threw three touchdown passes? (hint: he was a rookie)
Also, you're really over-playing Daniel's impact during the regular season in 2022. What, his play against the lowly Colts? C'mon.
If not, start Lock and draft a mid round QB. I still lean first round QB though.
Sean, don't recall if it was you with the Lombardi thread (via 'intelligence' from Owners' meeting) on Jones' contract--that Mara in effect directed that it happen. Wasn't much discussion there on the Mara role, was there?
Can Schoen navigate this so that Jones does not play thereby risking the injury guaranteed payment in '25?
Daniel Jones 23-36-1 as a starter.
I mean the ringleader here literally said Dave Brown was better. Eric just conjured up Danny Kannel. Danny Fucking Kannel??
WTF happened here? Try to make your point without hyperbole.
It's only hyperbolic in relation to your exaggerated view of Jones
Tim Tebow won a playoff game
He threw for 300+ yds and 3 TDs and beat the 1 ranked defense in the Steelers
Jones' best equivalent is his Casablanca playoff game.
My point for bringing Kanell up is one game doesn't make a career. Right?
You can go look at a lot of different rankings, but youre right, the only one that matters is the Giants ranking. I personally dont see a wow factor in any of these guys. When I looked at Stroud last year, he was the wow factor and I still can't see why Carolina drafted Young. Im not saying these guys will all be busts but I dont think they have anything that jumps off the screen. If one lands at 6 and you like him go ahead and take the shot.
None of these guys are worth a move up to me.
He is in the Jerry Golsteyn/Randy Dean class...lol
It even happened to Eli Manning late in his career.
I'm beyond tired of this endless DJ debate - some factor in the dysfunction and bad supporting cast and some don't. Either way, we all know he's damaged goods and likely David Carr'd by now. Looks like he'll get one more chance to prove otherwise, but it'll likely be an audition for another team if the Giants can trade up for a QB.
We can all have our opinions on the guy, but one of the only facts we have is that the situation around him has been as bad as it gets in the NFL virtually his entire career. The one year things were semi-functional - 2022 - he looked solid. And even then - with a bad supporting cast.
This is simply wrong on many levels. "Worst situation in the NFL" over 5 seasons? You can't be serious.
In all my years in following sports I have never seen anything like the excuses laid out for Jones by his owner, GM and fans.
The guy can't play QB at a high level and wouldn't sniff another starting job anywhere else. Why is he possibly getting another scholarship year here?
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For crying out loud. How could you forget that happened?
Danny Kanell got the Giants to the playoffs too.
Kannel was a passenger who couldn't throw for 200 yards if his life depended on it. Jones helped the Giants get to the playoffs. There's a difference.
Wrong.
I saw Danny Kannell throw three touchdowns in a game in Philadelphia with the division on the line. When is the last time Jones threw three touchdown passes? (hint: he was a rookie)
Also, you're really over-playing Daniel's impact during the regular season in 2022. What, his play against the lowly Colts? C'mon.
You've got to be kidding me....Kannel beat the likes of 1997 Philly and Washington. And WHOOOA those 97 Cowboys. And he had an insanely good defense. HE isn't winning games against Aaron Rodgers or Lamar JAckson. HE sure as fuck isn't putting 30 points on the board. How do I know that? It actually fucking happened. No 30 point games in 1997. The 97 Giants scored a whopping 307 pts that year while giving up 265. They forced dozens of turovers and killed QBs all year long. They stopped the run on an elite level. And when they played an even WORSE veriosn of the Vikings, at home, your boy hung up 199 yards passing in a loss.
Stop. Jones isn't good but stop already.
Danny Kannel was a BAD QB. He couldn't beat good or even average defenses without a lot of help from his own D. HE couldn't throw a good ball on his best day. The dude didn't just throw wobbly passes he threw fucking kites that hung in the air like balloons. He couldn't run.
Jones can run. That alone places him well above Kannel and of course, Terps' favorite, Dave Brown. HE also scored 365 pts with nothing more than BArkley. That in and of itself gives him pelts that Kannel can not boast.
Why. Why do we do this.
Why. Why do we do this.
Because Jones stinks and we're tired of watching him play poorly.
Don't tell me QB-A is equal when his best year was WORSE than QB-B's best year. I posted clear reasons why and that gets twisted into me overhyping his play? WTF. Nope. Try again.
You guys need to pound this guy into Jamaracus Russell territory when you should just stop at he's not that good.
Danny Kannel was a BAD QB. He couldn't beat good or even average defenses without a lot of help from his own D. HE couldn't throw a good ball on his best day. The dude didn't just throw wobbly passes he threw fucking kites that hung in the air like balloons. He couldn't run.
Jones can run. That alone places him well above Kannel and of course, Terps' favorite, Dave Brown. HE also scored 365 pts with nothing more than BArkley. That in and of itself gives him pelts that Kannel can not boast.
Why. Why do we do this.
Kanell was indeed a bad starting QB. That's the point.
You forgot that playoff game which apparently doesn't matter. And we know about 2023.
Try again. Tell me he's worse than the likes of Kannel and Brown and back it up with facts. You can't. And former HCs agree with Daboll because KAnnell was only allowed to start for about 1.5 seasons. Why. Ask yourself why.
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it did happen 3 times that year. Thanks to a million forced turnovers.
Danny Kannel was a BAD QB. He couldn't beat good or even average defenses without a lot of help from his own D. HE couldn't throw a good ball on his best day. The dude didn't just throw wobbly passes he threw fucking kites that hung in the air like balloons. He couldn't run.
Jones can run. That alone places him well above Kannel and of course, Terps' favorite, Dave Brown. HE also scored 365 pts with nothing more than BArkley. That in and of itself gives him pelts that Kannel can not boast.
Why. Why do we do this.
Kanell was indeed a bad starting QB. That's the point.
Oh. OK.
The fact that we're having this discussion is all you need to know.
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In the last three season of Daniel Jones. The Colts and the Cardinals.
You forgot that playoff game which apparently doesn't matter. And we know about 2023.
Try again. Tell me he's worse than the likes of Kannel and Brown and back it up with facts. You can't. And former HCs agree with Daboll because KAnnell was only allowed to start for about 1.5 seasons. Why. Ask yourself why.
They’re both bad QBs and Jones should have only gotten 1.5 years to start too. It’s pretty simple.
You said that not anyone else. I know I didn't.
Waste of time. But hey you got another thread driving up traffic. You win.
New York Giants football…feel the excitement!!!
Any time a Daniel Jones discussion breaks out you kick and scream and yell that you’re done discussing it, but then continue to comment on every discussion.
You can simply ignore it.
The fact that we're having this discussion is all you need to know.
The point was lost because you exaggerated. So do many others here. Daily.
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That changes everything. Hang the banner!
You said that not anyone else. I know I didn't.
Waste of time. But hey you got another thread driving up traffic. You win.
You don't have to do this, you know. Daniel Jones sure as shit doesn't care that you're defending his honor against the slanderous cretins of BBI who dare besmirch his accomplishments.
Any time a Daniel Jones discussion breaks out you kick and scream and yell that you’re done discussing it, but then continue to comment on every discussion.
You can simply ignore it.
I don't like ignoring lies.
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You're completely missing the point.
The fact that we're having this discussion is all you need to know.
The point was lost because you exaggerated. So do many others here. Daily.
Are Jones's record as a starter, touchdown totals, and contract being exaggerated?
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That changes everything. Hang the banner!
You said that not anyone else. I know I didn't.
Waste of time. But hey you got another thread driving up traffic. You win.
You don't have to do this, you know. Daniel Jones sure as shit doesn't care that you're defending his honor against the slanderous cretins of BBI who dare besmirch his accomplishments.
Despite his protests otherwise DJM is a big FC member
Maybe one day some of you will figure out why so many highly drafted QBs fail at the NFL level while every other position fails at a much lower level. Until then, just pound away with your same tired and lazy I told you so agendas. Good luck.
What the offense did with Daniel Jones, Tyrod Taylor, and Danny DeVito is out there.
Jones' statistically-proven issues with throwing down the field (yards per throw) and TD passes are facts.
There are not subjective measures.
The worst situation in the NFL and "screwed him up" Mara comments is bullshit.
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That changes everything. Hang the banner!
You said that not anyone else. I know I didn't.
Waste of time. But hey you got another thread driving up traffic. You win.
You don't have to do this, you know. Daniel Jones sure as shit doesn't care that you're defending his honor against the slanderous cretins of BBI who dare besmirch his accomplishments.
Despite his protests otherwise DJM is a big FC member
NAh, not even close. I am a fan club member of real analysis. Not just popular belief or perception.
Maybe one day some of you will figure out why so many highly drafted QBs fail at the NFL level while every other position fails at a much lower level. Until then, just pound away with your same tired and lazy I told you so agendas. Good luck.
Because it's the most difficult position in sports and very few people on the planet can do it at an elite level, so it's absurd to get attached to the ones who can't.
What the offense did with Daniel Jones, Tyrod Taylor, and Danny DeVito is out there.
Jones' statistically-proven issues with throwing down the field (yards per throw) and TD passes are facts.
There are not subjective measures.
I wasn't talking about 2023 but if you have seen my posts I killed Jones for the 23 season. More than once.
It's fine we're done. I won't even bother anymore as it seems some here just need to vent about Jones and at times, echo hyperbole. Whatever works. I just have to retort sometimes. Saying he's Danny Kannel is not accurate. HE isn't re-signed if he was. He was better than that in 22. But you don't see it that way. Fine.
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That changes everything. Hang the banner!
You said that not anyone else. I know I didn't.
Waste of time. But hey you got another thread driving up traffic. You win.
You don't have to do this, you know. Daniel Jones sure as shit doesn't care that you're defending his honor against the slanderous cretins of BBI who dare besmirch his accomplishments.
Despite his protests otherwise DJM is a big FC member
NAh, not even close. I am a fan club member of real analysis. Not just popular belief or perception.
Then the DJ "hate" threads wouldn't get under your skin. In fact you've said you're compelled to defend him because of "extreme takes"
Although the takes aren't that extreme...
The worst situation in the NFL and "screwed him up" Mara comments is bullshit.
Some of us are outraged.
The worst situation in the NFL and "screwed him up" Mara comments is bullshit.
Incredibly mystifying. I will never understand the whole thing.
Yea, I don't really care about those players. Players like Warren Sapp used to kill ELi Manning when he was already a winning NFL QB.
Players are meatheads.
I want a new QB too. I don't know what else to say but feel free to label me childish DJFC.
Jack has to be a troll. Even Daniel’s mother-if read Jack’s posts-would be like, ‘Settle down about my son. He isn’t infallible.’