"Warren Sharp
@SharpFootball
this is wild
the easiest time to pass the ball is on 1st down
Daniel Jones ranked #48 of 48 QBs on 1st down efficiency (min 100 att in 2023)
just 30% of att were successful
NFL avg is 46%
a lot of it was sacks... ok...
BUT EVEN IF YOU REMOVE SACKS
he ranked #47 of 48 QBs
gross
even removing sacks, he was pressured a a high rate... ok...
BUT EVEN IF YOU REMOVE ATTEMPTS UNDER PRESSURE
he ranked #47 of 48 QBs
only Bailey Zappe was worse"
And yes, men of integrity realize that the Giants took this guy's life in their hands when he was drafted by them, and he deserves a fair chance, following what he did in '22, to show if he can follow up and build before they destroy his life's dream. Corny?
Personally, I think the Giants will find at least one and maybe two of the top four (if McCarthy is now included on the top tier.) available at #6. Everyone is focused in on the three (or four) quarterbacks and the three receivers.
Not everyone thinks a WR is a good value pick so early in the draft, especially if they don't have the quarterback. Some GM's are not saying anything that might hurt their position, but they are coveting having their pick of all the offensive linemen and of all the defensive players.
If Jones was drafted by any of the other 31 teams in 2019 he's already on his 2nd or 3rd team by now.
And yes, men of integrity realize that the Giants took this guy's life in their hands when he was drafted by them, and he deserves a fair chance, following what he did in '22, to show if he can follow up and build before they destroy his life's dream. Corny?
Personally, I think the Giants will find at least one and maybe two of the top four (if McCarthy is now included on the top tier.) available at #6. Everyone is focused in on the three (or four) quarterbacks and the three receivers.
Not everyone thinks a WR is a good value pick so early in the draft, especially if they don't have the quarterback. Some GM's are not saying anything that might hurt their position, but they are coveting having their pick of all the offensive linemen and of all the defensive players.
'He did not get a fair chance.'
'He deserves a fair chance.'
Oh. My. God.
Jones 'deserves the right'...? To parrot what Eric said earlier on this thread & something I've articulated before too...I have never-NEVER!-seen so devotion to a mediocre @ best-AT BEST-Giant. It is a fucking cult. I don't know how else to put it.
Deserves Got Nothing To Do With It! - ( New Window )
Even if we draft a QB he’s probably your day 1 starter.
Well, that assumes Jones stays on or ahead schedule with his rehab.
And no. But when he does, virtually no one will be surprised.
Which is why I don't understand why so many people feel the need to constantly post how much they think he sucks. You ran out of new ways to say it months ago, so you just keep marching out the same old crap anytime you can squeeze his name into a thread (whether the thread had anything to do with him or not). And if there's some knucklehead in the media who posts something negative about him you're in a rush to be the first to post that link to BBI. It's just so childish.
I didn't start out as a Jones apologist and I don't consider myself one, but I sure am rooting for him like never before.
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Just wait until this teams season is over in October, the team scores 17 pts ppg at best and people realize there is just Lock and a mid-round rookie project and its not a QB draft in 2025.
I will say the "next year's QB class stinks" argument doesn't fly with me. Not always, but usually there is a QB or two who comes out of nowhere to make a class look better. Hell, Jayden Daniels wasn't supposed to be a first round guy.
Maybe there is a guy. And where do you think he will be drafted?
We know a year out this isn’t projected to be a great QB class next year. We can hope for that to change and what record we we need to draft one?
We have been a bottom 3 team in the NFL for a decade and we have only drafted above 4 once so exactly how we going to get this hypothetical emerging QB?
And what are the odds you can draft one with a grade like McCarthy 84 or Maye at 83?
But what if it’s 2022 and 2023? And No QBs do emerge?
I just can't help but laugh. Dude's going into his sixth season & people are doubling down on him because some BBIers have the audacity to say that he isn't that good & maybe we should upgrade @ QB.
But it isn't a cult....
If Jones was a free agent this offseason and we needed a QB, and Jones's performance was exactly the same after five years, who would be beating the table to sign him?
Anybody?
And yes, men of integrity realize that the Giants took this guy's life in their hands when he was drafted by them, and he deserves a fair chance, following what he did in '22, to show if he can follow up and build before they destroy his life's dream. Corny?
Personally, I think the Giants will find at least one and maybe two of the top four (if McCarthy is now included on the top tier.) available at #6. Everyone is focused in on the three (or four) quarterbacks and the three receivers.
Not everyone thinks a WR is a good value pick so early in the draft, especially if they don't have the quarterback. Some GM's are not saying anything that might hurt their position, but they are coveting having their pick of all the offensive linemen and of all the defensive players.
I'm sorry but this is psychotic. It's a football team, they are supposed to be in the business of winning, this isn't a charity. By all accounts Jones is a good dude and I wish him well, but I could give a shit about his "life's dream." He's making lie $40m a year, something tells me he'll get over the Giants moving on.
'I'm telling you. Keith Richards is going to get clean. He deserves our faith. He won't be in the news ever again for having or doing drugs.'
That's the DJFC equivalent.
Which is why I don't understand why so many people feel the need to constantly post how much they think he sucks. You ran out of new ways to say it months ago, so you just keep marching out the same old crap anytime you can squeeze his name into a thread (whether the thread had anything to do with him or not). And if there's some knucklehead in the media who posts something negative about him you're in a rush to be the first to post that link to BBI. It's just so childish.
I didn't start out as a Jones apologist and I don't consider myself one, but I sure am rooting for him like never before.
Why throw away games?
The Giants will move on from Jones and I wish the guy some success with a non disfunctional team. The Giants will find another QB. It does not need to be in the draft this year if they don't care for what is available to them. There are other ways to skin the cat.
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I used to snicker @ the notion that there were BBIers who would choose to go 5-12 with Jones instead of 12-5 with someone else. But I think I was wrong. I think there are seriously some BBIers who would rather lose with Jones then win with someone else.
It's funny because I see it just the opposite way: there are those on BBI who would rather lose with anyone but Jones than win with Jones. And if it's Jones at QB, they will be rooting for him to play poorly. They would rather lose with Jones than win with him.
Milton, this is just not fair. I rooted harder than anyone for Jones at the start of last year. I was even in the small minority that thought the deal they gave him wasn't so bad and he had earned it. I have never rooted for him to lose or do poorly. But this isn't a rookie or second year QB, he's going into his 6th year and he is just not good enough.
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I used to snicker @ the notion that there were BBIers who would choose to go 5-12 with Jones instead of 12-5 with someone else. But I think I was wrong. I think there are seriously some BBIers who would rather lose with Jones then win with someone else.
It's funny because I see it just the opposite way: there are those on BBI who would rather lose with anyone but Jones than win with Jones. And if it's Jones at QB, they will be rooting for him to play poorly. They would rather lose with Jones than win with him.
OMFG! ARE YOU SERIOUS? I JUST WANT TO FUCKING WIN. I DON'T GIVE A SHIT IF THE QB IS DEVITO, JONES, LOCK, OR WHOEVER.
No one hate Jones personally. The vast majority of us just recognize he isn't that good of a QB.
The Giants will move on from Jones and I wish the guy some success with a non disfunctional team. The Giants will find another QB. It does not need to be in the draft this year if they don't care for what is available to them. There are other ways to skin the cat.
I love this logic, as if Jones was a rookie in '23. DUDE IS GOING INTO HIS SIXTH SEASON FFS!
No wonder we're a laughingstock.
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I used to snicker @ the notion that there were BBIers who would choose to go 5-12 with Jones instead of 12-5 with someone else. But I think I was wrong. I think there are seriously some BBIers who would rather lose with Jones then win with someone else.
It's funny because I see it just the opposite way: there are those on BBI who would rather lose with anyone but Jones than win with Jones. And if it's Jones at QB, they will be rooting for him to play poorly. They would rather lose with Jones than win with him.
Humor me.
How many more years of the Jones Experience should we endure? A sixth season? Seventh? Longer?
I have no problem saying it - I'm sick of watching Jones attempt to play QB. It's boring. It's predictable. It's just unwatchable.
I can't wait until he's off the team.
Unfortunately, I fear Schoen thinks more like you than me.
No wonder we're a laughingstock.
But then the same people point out any time Herbert has a bad game
I have no idea what there is left to see in this guy. The excuses he gets and the belief in him is unlike anything I’ve seen in sports.
I have no idea what there is left to see in this guy. The excuses he gets and the belief in him is unlike anything I’ve seen in sports.
For comparison there were 23 4+ td games in 2023 and 19 in 2022. Jordan Love had more 3+ td games in 2023 (5) than Jones has in his career (3). Jones production has been pathetic.
But they're quick to jump to defend him against criticism.
The Giants as a team have sucked. So has Jones. It's not an either/or thing
Humor me.
How many more years of the Jones Experience should we endure? A sixth season? Seventh? Longer?
As for how long they should stick with Jones going forward, that depends on a variety of factors, but for the most part depends on how well he plays and if the team is winning and also to some extent how well Lock and the rookie (if there is one) have looked in camp and practices. Have either impressed Daboll to the point where they've won his confidence? Ultimately it'll be about which QB on the roster gives the Giants the best chance of winning. I trust Daboll to make that judgment and I trust that the decision will be solely his to make. He has too much ego and too much machismo to let that decision be decided for him. I can see
Schoen playing the diplomat, but not Daboll.
'I'm telling you. Keith Richards is going to get clean. He deserves our faith. He won't be in the news ever again for having or doing drugs.'
That's the DJFC equivalent.
Giants need a LT solution and Jones is not that guy.
Milton, this is just not fair. I rooted harder than anyone for Jones at the start of last year. I was even in the small minority that thought the deal they gave him wasn't so bad and he had earned it. I have never rooted for him to lose or do poorly. But this isn't a rookie or second year QB, he's going into his 6th year and he is just not good enough.
You need multiple good players to be successful on offense. No QB is ever successful without a star at WR or TE. None.
So regardless if we draft a QB, that QB still needs a stud WR or TE. Where are you getting that guy?
You need multiple good players to be successful on offense. No QB is ever successful without a star at WR or TE. None.
So regardless if we draft a QB, that QB still needs a stud WR or TE. Where are you getting that guy?
You are completely misrepresenting Phil Simms' standing as a QB. he was one of the better QBs in the league and he had solid stats to back it up. Phill Simms was never as bad with respect to the league as Daniel Jones was in 2023.
In the season you are saying Simms was bad, he was 8th in yards, 7th in TDs, 9th in TD%, 9th in Y/A. His Y/A in 1986 was 7.5. Daniel Jones hasn't sniffed that mark in his 5 years, in this pass happy era. Jones is a bad passing QB. It's not just his surroundings. In fact maybe Slayton is a much better player with a better QB. In fact, I'm sure of it. How much more of this robotic, checkdown charlie do you really want to watch? What, you won't be content until the Giants are a 2 win team?
And yes, men of integrity realize that the Giants took this guy's life in their hands when he was drafted by them, and he deserves a fair chance, following what he did in '22, to show if he can follow up and build before they destroy his life's dream. Corny?
Personally, I think the Giants will find at least one and maybe two of the top four (if McCarthy is now included on the top tier.) available at #6. Everyone is focused in on the three (or four) quarterbacks and the three receivers.
Not everyone thinks a WR is a good value pick so early in the draft, especially if they don't have the quarterback. Some GM's are not saying anything that might hurt their position, but they are coveting having their pick of all the offensive linemen and of all the defensive players.
"Men of integrity" lol. You think because you irrationally defend Daniel Jones, that makes you a man of integrity? I really hope this is a troll.
It's going to be even more fun* when we finally move on, the team gets better, and people claim Jones would have done just as well if given the chance.
*By fun I mean profoundly sad and dumb.
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Because some BBIers would rather lose with Jones than win with another QB.
It's going to be even more fun* when we finally move on, the team gets better, and people claim Jones would have done just as well if given the chance.
*By fun I mean profoundly sad and dumb.
100%. The fan club surely already has their “responses” at the ready. “I’d have loved to have seen Daniel Jones play with this much talent! Jones would have 2 or 3 more wins than they do now if he was the QB!”.
It’s absolutely coming. We all know it. And of course if we are dreadfully saddled with Jones again this season and the season predictably goes off the rails, it will be because of the coaching staff, the OL, the weapons, the defense, the food vendors and the parking lot attendants.
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Just to play along, who really "LIKES" Jones, here?
Just a partial list, but...
Jack Stroud
ryanmkeane
Snorkels
4xchamps
kickoff
Eightshamrocks
Should I continue?
Eric on li (loves DJ's contract)
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1st 6 years in the league. They weren’t great. His 7th year the Giants won the Super Bowl and Phil actually had a pretty bad season as well. He threw for 21 TDs and 22 INTs with a 55% completion. Different era but those numbers are still terrible. That team went from one of the worst to one of the best.
You need multiple good players to be successful on offense. No QB is ever successful without a star at WR or TE. None.
So regardless if we draft a QB, that QB still needs a stud WR or TE. Where are you getting that guy?
You are completely misrepresenting Phil Simms' standing as a QB. he was one of the better QBs in the league and he had solid stats to back it up. Phill Simms was never as bad with respect to the league as Daniel Jones was in 2023.
In the season you are saying Simms was bad, he was 8th in yards, 7th in TDs, 9th in TD%, 9th in Y/A. His Y/A in 1986 was 7.5. Daniel Jones hasn't sniffed that mark in his 5 years, in this pass happy era. Jones is a bad passing QB. It's not just his surroundings. In fact maybe Slayton is a much better player with a better QB. In fact, I'm sure of it. How much more of this robotic, checkdown charlie do you really want to watch? What, you won't be content until the Giants are a 2 win team?
Oh stop with Jones holding players back nonsense. Go look at Richie James and Kadarius Toney playing with the best QB in the league and tell me they were held back here.
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Humor me.
How many more years of the Jones Experience should we endure? A sixth season? Seventh? Longer?
This is how I see it: Jones is a flawed QB but he has his strengths and an offense can be built in which his weaknesses aren't an issue.
Can you see it...can you?
Because for the life of me, I cannot reconcile how your basic assessment of Jones above resembles any type of QB you want starting games for your favorite NFL team, no less giving him a $160M contract extension.
Maybe you can help.
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Wife-who hates this website with every fiber of her being, Haha-asked me if Jones is polarizing on BBI. I responded, 'Not really. Most everyone wants to move on, but there are some Japanese like holdouts post WWII who will be fighting on Jones' behalf until the mid 2030s.'
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1st 6 years in the league. They weren’t great. His 7th year the Giants won the Super Bowl and Phil actually had a pretty bad season as well. He threw for 21 TDs and 22 INTs with a 55% completion. Different era but those numbers are still terrible. That team went from one of the worst to one of the best.
You need multiple good players to be successful on offense. No QB is ever successful without a star at WR or TE. None.
So regardless if we draft a QB, that QB still needs a stud WR or TE. Where are you getting that guy?
You are completely misrepresenting Phil Simms' standing as a QB. he was one of the better QBs in the league and he had solid stats to back it up. Phill Simms was never as bad with respect to the league as Daniel Jones was in 2023.
In the season you are saying Simms was bad, he was 8th in yards, 7th in TDs, 9th in TD%, 9th in Y/A. His Y/A in 1986 was 7.5. Daniel Jones hasn't sniffed that mark in his 5 years, in this pass happy era. Jones is a bad passing QB. It's not just his surroundings. In fact maybe Slayton is a much better player with a better QB. In fact, I'm sure of it. How much more of this robotic, checkdown charlie do you really want to watch? What, you won't be content until the Giants are a 2 win team?
Oh stop with Jones holding players back nonsense. Go look at Richie James and Kadarius Toney playing with the best QB in the league and tell me they were held back here.
They barely played?
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I used to snicker @ the notion that there were BBIers who would choose to go 5-12 with Jones instead of 12-5 with someone else. But I think I was wrong. I think there are seriously some BBIers who would rather lose with Jones then win with someone else.
It's funny because I see it just the opposite way: there are those on BBI who would rather lose with anyone but Jones than win with Jones. And if it's Jones at QB, they will be rooting for him to play poorly. They would rather lose with Jones than win with him.
How would we know? We have never won with Jones. That has never been an option throughout his whole career.
Oh wait…I forgot the magical run in 2022 when he single handedly carried the team to an historical win! I am looking forward to Daboll going back to an offense where Jones’ impact is just designed QB runs and seeing how his neck and knee hold up doing it for 17 games.
Absolutely mind blowing how many of you watch the Giants games every week for years and have no idea what you are seeing other than “I like #8! I am going to get his jersey and hope he never leaves!!!”
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In comment 16467156 Rudy5757 said:
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1st 6 years in the league. They weren’t great. His 7th year the Giants won the Super Bowl and Phil actually had a pretty bad season as well. He threw for 21 TDs and 22 INTs with a 55% completion. Different era but those numbers are still terrible. That team went from one of the worst to one of the best.
You need multiple good players to be successful on offense. No QB is ever successful without a star at WR or TE. None.
So regardless if we draft a QB, that QB still needs a stud WR or TE. Where are you getting that guy?
You are completely misrepresenting Phil Simms' standing as a QB. he was one of the better QBs in the league and he had solid stats to back it up. Phill Simms was never as bad with respect to the league as Daniel Jones was in 2023.
In the season you are saying Simms was bad, he was 8th in yards, 7th in TDs, 9th in TD%, 9th in Y/A. His Y/A in 1986 was 7.5. Daniel Jones hasn't sniffed that mark in his 5 years, in this pass happy era. Jones is a bad passing QB. It's not just his surroundings. In fact maybe Slayton is a much better player with a better QB. In fact, I'm sure of it. How much more of this robotic, checkdown charlie do you really want to watch? What, you won't be content until the Giants are a 2 win team?
Oh stop with Jones holding players back nonsense. Go look at Richie James and Kadarius Toney playing with the best QB in the league and tell me they were held back here.
They barely played?
And why would they have barely played?