-JJM will not be taken at 6 according to BBI resident asshat, same asshat reported we favor Odunze over Nabers due to gun incident and other character issues we might not have heard about. This suggests JJM is most likely not going to be a NYG.
-Secondhand asshat report suggests a deal with NE for Maye is in place if the draft falls a particular way (presumably CW-JD first) then we trade up with NE for Maye.
-Asshat report and top 30 visit suggest we really like Benson and have shown a keen interest in him, potentially a top candidate for pick 47 if there.
-According to another asshat, "Daboll REALLY likes Nabers". Which contradicts the other asshat report about various valid character concerns. Maybe it's Odunze > Nabers, but Nabers > JJM?
-Connor Hughes still on the JJM bandwagon, suggesting we would trade up for him. He is usually pretty good for NYG info. Nevertheless, this contradicts asshat report here and is perhaps not based on any inside knowledge.
My takeaway?
We are still trying hard to trade up for Maye at 3 with a fallback option of Odunze at 6, or maybe Nabers at 6 if Odunze is gone. Perhaps we would trade down if Odunze is not there at 6.
I also wonder if Schoen is just leaking all sorts of contradictory info to various people which trickles down to reporters and our asshats. I don't think we have had a legit asshat leak before the draft in any of Schoen's years (correct me if I'm wrong). There is a reasonable chance only Schoen, Brown and Cowen know their real potential pathways. Everything leaked outside of their circle is just disinformation and smoke potentially. Which would be refreshing after years of being transparent with our plans (ie getting jumped for Devonta Smith with Cowboys knowing we wouldn't take Parsons).
What are your thoughts?
That's what my intuition/gut tells me.
Yeah, me thinks Schoen is doing a good job overloading everyone with contradictory information to the point of making fans minds explode
And that definitely is a good thing.
"...on who they like or which direction I think they should go."
Agreed, I only feel solid about us having been trying to trade up presumably for Maye. Beyond that, it's anyone's guess at this point and I don't think anyone knows besides Schoen, Brown, Cowen and maybe Daboll.
+1, that would be nice for a change. Go JS!
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Yeah, me thinks Schoen is doing a good job overloading everyone with contradictory information to the point of making fans minds explode
I think you’re OK if you’re not getting angry at others and using ad hominem attacks against those who diverge from your views on Daniel Jones or the QBs in the draft … not that this would happen on BBI. :)
If it is "inside information" it's probably planted
I agree and I mentioned this as a probability. I don't think he does either. I don't think anyone really has inside information from our inner circle, which is a good thing. The only thing I think we can know as a probability is that Schoen has been hard at work trying to trade up presumably for Maye. Outside of that, it's anyone's guess and a whole Lotta smoke/misinformation.
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It’s lying season after all
Not only is it lying season, it's clickbait season. It's easy (and understandable) for someone in the media--whose livelihood depends on clicks--to take any little nugget they receive and frame it in a way that suggests it's more meaningful than it actually is.
And I'll take this a step further and say there's a high likelihood our insiders here aren't getting transparent information about our plans either, other than the attempt to trade up which is tough to hide/mislead anyone on that.
It seems more than likely the Giants 1st pick will be either QB or WR, similar to last year when they were choosing either WR or CB.
That is a very good point, definitely not contradictory. If we are to believe our asshats, it seems like trading down if Nabers and JJM are there is a possibility. I still aire on the side of Schoen keeping his cards extremely close to his vest and no one has a real glimpse of those cards (outside of the trade up talk and Nabers being liked by Daboll).
It seems more than likely the Giants 1st pick will be either QB or WR, similar to last year when they were choosing either WR or CB.
That is a very good point. Either they know the 2nd tier WRs they like will not likely be there at 47 or they prefer Benson/Melton/Beebe at 47. Maybe their plan is trade up for Maye using pick 47 with a fallback option of WR at 6. Thus the 2nd round pick will definitively not be WR because they either wouldn't have the pick 47 or they would take WR at 6 and not need WR in rd2.
Of all the things I've heard I feel the strongest about the interest in Maye because I've heard it more than once. We'll see what happens, some info is good some is not.
Agreed, that and Daboll liking Nabers seem like two asshat tidbits we can count on right now. There's a lot of validity to Maye via tradeup as priority 1 with fallback being WR at 6/trade down if you get a great offer.
If I had to bet right now, I wouldn't bet a lot because it is very muddled and smokey to see, but I would put my money on Maye at 3 via tradeup.
Of all the things I've heard I feel the strongest about the interest in Maye because I've heard it more than once. We'll see what happens, some info is good some is not.
Thx for chiming in, GiantGrit! We all appreciate you a lot!!
The Draft Kings are copycats who usually don't stray too far from the consensus as it would be embarrassing if they thought a player ranked top 30 by most should be a top 10.
But the GMs and scouts have been following certain players for two or three years and they have their own opinions. Most probably have these three receivers spread out over the first round, with another receiver currently off the map moving way up because that team knows him real well.
Suggesting a team in the 7-10 range will trade up for OL or edge? I could see the Bears trading up from 9 to take Alt at 6, I could also see them trading up to 6 for WR. If Odunze and Nabers were on the board and we knew they were going for OT, it would be a no brainer to me. Get Odunze or Nabers at 9 plus a 2025 2nd or so.
"...on who they like or which direction I think they should go."
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It seems more than likely the Giants 1st pick will be either QB or WR, similar to last year when they were choosing either WR or CB.
Yeah, I'm fully expecting to take Odunze at #6. Outside shot MHJ makes it there. If Minny offers a good package for JJ there, we may trade down (same for Nabers, perhaps). But I'm not expecting to pick JJ or Nabers there for ourselves ('agree with JJ, somewhat disagree with Nabers - we desperately need a WR1, and I'm willing to take a chance on his character). I'm not expecting to trade up for Maye (I would, but only at #5) or for him to fall to #6.
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lineman. And they'll be so hot for him that they won't trade down very far.
Suggesting a team in the 7-10 range will trade up for OL or edge? I could see the Bears trading up from 9 to take Alt at 6, I could also see them trading up to 6 for WR. If Odunze and Nabers were on the board and we knew they were going for OT, it would be a no brainer to me. Get Odunze or Nabers at 9 plus a 2025 2nd or so.
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lineman. And they'll be so hot for him that they won't trade down very far.
Suggesting a team in the 7-10 range will trade up for OL or edge? I could see the Bears trading up from 9 to take Alt at 6, I could also see them trading up to 6 for WR. If Odunze and Nabers were on the board and we knew they were going for OT, it would be a no brainer to me. Get Odunze or Nabers at 9 plus a 2025 2nd or so.
Even with Nabors and Odunze on board, trading to 9 could easily lead to Chi taking Alt then the WRs going 7 and 8. We’d need a big return to trade one pick outside of the blue chippers.
The Titans need a tackle badly and just gave Ridley that massive contract, would be a huge surprise but not unheard of.
The Giants want Maye! Oh wait, somebody let the cat out of the bag that the Giants actually like McCarthy instead and Schoen is pissed.
Daboll loves Nabers! Oh wait, just kidding, the WR they really want is Odunze.
Nobody knows.
And they would probably take each in different scenarios
The question isnt who do they like. Its who is the top choice amongst their ability to draft them
I wouldn't do it, but what do I know. So, I would still be happy and excited about the conviction. He undoubtedly has immense upside.
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lineman. And they'll be so hot for him that they won't trade down very far.
Suggesting a team in the 7-10 range will trade up for OL or edge? I could see the Bears trading up from 9 to take Alt at 6, I could also see them trading up to 6 for WR. If Odunze and Nabers were on the board and we knew they were going for OT, it would be a no brainer to me. Get Odunze or Nabers at 9 plus a 2025 2nd or so.
Even with Nabors and Odunze on board, trading to 9 could easily lead to Chi taking Alt then the WRs going 7 and 8. We’d need a big return to trade one pick outside of the blue chippers.
The Titans need a tackle badly and just gave Ridley that massive contract, would be a huge surprise but not unheard of.
It really depends on how they rate the remaining QB options. They may have a high grade on one and not the other two contenders. If they don't like the QBs they are probably trading down.
Their FIRST choice is to trade up to 3 to get the ONE QB they think is the guy (could be Maye, could be McCarthy)
If they fails, they will “likely” take their highest rated player (likely a WR) at 6
IF someone makes them an offer for pick 6 that STILL allows them to take a premium player between 7-10, they might do that.
Anything beyond this is pure speculation.
Because of the variables this year, I’m betting Schoen is purposely leaking tidbits to muddy the waters.
We are all going to have to put our big boy pants on during that first rd.
My guess is a track record of having some accurate inside information...
Their FIRST choice is to trade up to 3 to get the ONE QB they think is the guy (could be Maye, could be McCarthy)
If they fails, they will “likely” take their highest rated player (likely a WR) at 6
IF someone makes them an offer for pick 6 that STILL allows them to take a premium player between 7-10, they might do that.
I agree with this 100% but I think the target is to get to pick 3 or 4..
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you CAN make certain general assumptions.
Their FIRST choice is to trade up to 3 to get the ONE QB they think is the guy (could be Maye, could be McCarthy)
If they fails, they will “likely” take their highest rated player (likely a WR) at 6
IF someone makes them an offer for pick 6 that STILL allows them to take a premium player between 7-10, they might do that.
I agree with this 100% but I think the target is to get to pick 3 or 4..
Yes I belive the priority is:
1. Trade up for Maye
2. Let draft unfold to you at 6 and take bpa unless wowed by trade offer
I agree, NE has no QB right now. Are they gonna roll into 2024 with Brisset and Zappe? NE is picking a QB