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ajr2456 : 4/14/2024 8:55 am
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RE: Fredgevrown  
fredgbrown : 4/14/2024 7:20 pm : link
In comment 16468704 fanoftheteam said:
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We seen discussion like this here.

Youbhave to understand that RJ now plays for a shit team and is in a more alpha role. Its apples and oranges to just say hed make that production in ny. This translates to nfl also.

We won that trade with OG hands down. We are now desperate for a basket driver like barret for the playoffs but he doesnt pair well with an alpha personna like Randle (whos obviously out). I actually mean alpha in its true form too- i personally think randle was a voice behind letting go of RJ who couldnt connect with the team as a starting 5 guy.
I will like to see RJ do this for a year. But I am glad to have OG on this team. I think next year with Brunson, DD, OG, Randle and Hartenstein that is a top 5 starting line up in the NBA and should win 53 -58 wins depending on what other moves are made and health.
Brunson will take another leap next year with better finishing he  
fredgbrown : 4/14/2024 7:24 pm : link
started off first month and 1/2 this year. I also think he gets to line more and with Randle back he hits a higher % of 3pt to average 30+ points a game. Randle will still give your 25 and 10 and OG will increase offense game. DD will not have to take as many threes but will hit at a higher percentage maybe in low 40s.
Fredg-  
fanoftheteam : 4/14/2024 7:36 pm : link
I was initially mad we moved beyond young talent like RJ. But he now shoots with no pressure on a playoff irrelevant team. He didnt work in our system and played spotty D.

I do openly root for him tho - i think hes a great kid.

But my post isnt about my opinion- this team has been elevated since that trade and theirs no denying it. Also Precious was mvp of todays OT and going to be a much needed piece as IHart will be gone this offseason. Simms is not an nba player and precious will need to step in as a #2 to Mitch next year
RE: RE: Question RJ raised his FG to 55% and 3 pt to 39% in 32 games  
JoeSchoens11 : 4/14/2024 8:00 pm : link
In comment 16468718 nygiants16 said:
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playing for Toronto. If he was having that kind of season with the Knicks do they do the IQ and RJ trade for OG. I guess it was a fit problem with Randle, Brunson and RJ needing the ball but he was getting wide ope 3 pt looks and couldn't hit them.



I dont think it was just an offensive fit problem, he also wasnt a very good defender..
…and Precious has played an important role. I miss IQ but we’re contenders because of OG’s ability to limit teams #1 scorers
It's funny when the Bulls were doubling  
larryflower37 : 4/14/2024 8:06 pm : link
Brunson all I could think about was if Randle is healthy there is no chance they could constantly throw double teams at him.
Randle is absolutely missed and would give Brunson a lot more freedom and space to create.
Hopefully we resign Hartenstein and OG and run this back next season.
RE: It's funny when the Bulls were doubling  
fredgbrown : 4/14/2024 8:12 pm : link
In comment 16468769 larryflower37 said:
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Brunson all I could think about was if Randle is healthy there is no chance they could constantly throw double teams at him.
Randle is absolutely missed and would give Brunson a lot more freedom and space to create.
Hopefully we resign Hartenstein and OG and run this back next season.
Yeah I would like to see that 5 for a full season. It is a 50 - 60 win team.
RE: It's funny when the Bulls were doubling  
nygiants16 : 4/14/2024 8:24 pm : link
In comment 16468769 larryflower37 said:
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Brunson all I could think about was if Randle is healthy there is no chance they could constantly throw double teams at him.
Randle is absolutely missed and would give Brunson a lot more freedom and space to create.
Hopefully we resign Hartenstein and OG and run this back next season.


Knicks were still scoring easily though and if they missed Hart and Hartenstein were in position to get kffensjve reboubds. I agree teams wouldnt double Brunson as freely but id also argue that the Knicks are well equiped to beat those double teams
RE: Fredg-  
Stu11 : 4/14/2024 8:27 pm : link
In comment 16468736 fanoftheteam said:
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But my post isnt about my opinion- this team has been elevated since that trade and theirs no denying it. Also Precious was mvp of todays OT and going to be a much needed piece as IHart will be gone this offseason. Simms is not an nba player and precious will need to step in as a #2 to Mitch next year

IHart is not "gone". Spending 15-20 mill to keep him is fine. All the contenders have max and super max guys. We don't. Sure Brunson will get a huge raise in his extension but that won't kick in till after next season. The Knicks have room under the first tax apron and plenty of room before they get to the 2nd apron. You don't let valuable assets like IHart just walk out the door. Rose has proven to be a master at getting guys signed to contracts that work. It's like his superpower.
There has been talk of Brunson taking an extension this season  
nygiants16 : 4/14/2024 8:30 pm : link
if he does he should be given a statue, he would be giving up 100 million
Also I've been watching the Knicks since the late 70's  
Stu11 : 4/14/2024 8:40 pm : link
This is the most impressive 50 win season I've ever seen them have. To fight through all the major injuries they had to is just part of it. The schedule was brutal. All those road games the first half of the season, then when they finally got home games everyone got hurt. Right down to the last minute they scratched and clawed. Even the last week when every damn team was sitting everyone, nobody sat anyone vs us. The godamn Bulls have a play-in game Wednesday and played every starter 40 plus minutes today like it was game 7. Nobody gave us anything this year. We went out and earned it. Maybe the 3 seed would have been better. Philly/Miami will be a real tough 1st rd opponent. We might lose but this team will fight. I can guarantee that.
RE: There has been talk of Brunson taking an extension this season  
larryflower37 : 4/14/2024 8:42 pm : link
In comment 16468789 nygiants16 said:
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if he does he should be given a statue, he would be giving up 100 million

Both Randle and Brunson have player options for 25-26 season so both need to be extended next season or they would go to Free agency.
OG has a player option for next season and needs to be addressed this off season.
Knicks have plenty of money to address IHart and OG .
DDV, Hart, McBride are signed for 3 + season.
This core is young and locked down for a long time with room to add pieces
RE: One downer is we have the 24th and 25th picks in the draft.  
ajr2456 : 4/14/2024 8:57 pm : link
In comment 16468650 bceagle05 said:
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Mavs really got hot down the stretch. We picked IQ and Grimes at 25, and Deuce even later.


Rough draft to have two picks that low. Going to be very few second contract guys. I do like Tyler Smith for one of those picks.
RE: Also I've been watching the Knicks since the late 70's  
djm : 4/14/2024 10:07 pm : link
In comment 16468800 Stu11 said:
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This is the most impressive 50 win season I've ever seen them have. To fight through all the major injuries they had to is just part of it. The schedule was brutal. All those road games the first half of the season, then when they finally got home games everyone got hurt. Right down to the last minute they scratched and clawed. Even the last week when every damn team was sitting everyone, nobody sat anyone vs us. The godamn Bulls have a play-in game Wednesday and played every starter 40 plus minutes today like it was game 7. Nobody gave us anything this year. We went out and earned it. Maybe the 3 seed would have been better. Philly/Miami will be a real tough 1st rd opponent. We might lose but this team will fight. I can guarantee that.



This.
Well said, Stu.  
bceagle05 : 4/14/2024 10:32 pm : link
This team has earned our respect regardless of postseason fate. Been a pleasure watching this squad.
I’m glad those extra road games against  
bceagle05 : 4/14/2024 10:36 pm : link
Milwaukee and Boston b/c of the in-season tournament didn’t cost us anything either. A reasonably healthy squad probably pushes for 60 wins this season.
RE: I’m glad those extra road games against  
Stu11 : 4/15/2024 12:00 am : link
In comment 16468865 bceagle05 said:
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Milwaukee and Boston b/c of the in-season tournament didn’t cost us anything either. A reasonably healthy squad probably pushes for 60 wins this season.

Yep 1/8 of our godamn schedule was vs Milwaukee and Boston, and 6 of the 10 were on the road. Oh well the playoffs are like when the ocean waves come up on the shore and go back. Everything is a clean slate. Can't wait for it to start. Next weekend can't come fast enough.
RE: RE: Also I've been watching the Knicks since the late 70's  
bluefin : 4/15/2024 3:39 am : link
In comment 16468854 djm said:
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This is the most impressive 50 win season I've ever seen them have. To fight through all the major injuries they had to is just part of it. The schedule was brutal. All those road games the first half of the season, then when they finally got home games everyone got hurt. Right down to the last minute they scratched and clawed. Even the last week when every damn team was sitting everyone, nobody sat anyone vs us. The godamn Bulls have a play-in game Wednesday and played every starter 40 plus minutes today like it was game 7. Nobody gave us anything this year. We went out and earned it. Maybe the 3 seed would have been better. Philly/Miami will be a real tough 1st rd opponent. We might lose but this team will fight. I can guarantee that.




This.

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RE: Well said, Stu.  
mfsd : 4/15/2024 6:54 am : link
In comment 16468864 bceagle05 said:
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This team has earned our respect regardless of postseason fate. Been a pleasure watching this squad.


Yup, agree 100%. Most fun I’ve have watching the Knicks since the unexpected 99 run.

Fired up to see what Brunson does in the playoffs. Maybe not this year, but I have a sneaky feeling he may deliver a championship
Love this team.  
Heisenberg : 4/15/2024 9:47 am : link
We haven't had a team that fit the head coach this much since the 90s Riley era.

50 wins with all the adversity they faced this year is incredible, really.
Giannis may miss  
ajr2456 : 4/15/2024 10:31 am : link
Game 1
RE: Caruso's annoying as phuq  
Dr. D : 4/15/2024 10:36 am : link
In comment 16468505 Optimus-NY said:
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So are these BSPN announcers.

In the 2nd quarter, I had all I could stands, I could stands no nore. I turned off the center speaker (on my 5.0 system), so I could still hear the crowd noise, without hearing Doris.

I enjoyed the rest of the game more.
Caruso seems destined to be a Knick someday soon.  
bceagle05 : 4/15/2024 10:50 am : link
I bet he’s one of Thibs’ five favorite players in the league.
RE: Question RJ raised his FG to 55% and 3 pt to 39% in 32 games  
Greg from LI : 4/15/2024 11:09 am : link
In comment 16468695 fredgbrown said:
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playing for Toronto. If he was having that kind of season with the Knicks do they do the IQ and RJ trade for OG. I guess it was a fit problem with Randle, Brunson and RJ needing the ball but he was getting wide ope 3 pt looks and couldn't hit them.


He's had hot streaks like this before. Just never sustains them. We'll see if that changes next season.
RE: Caruso seems destined to be a Knick someday soon.  
nygiants16 : 4/15/2024 11:15 am : link
In comment 16469222 bceagle05 said:
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I bet he’s one of Thibs’ five favorite players in the league.


I woukdnt be shocked if Derozan takes a pay cut and comes to the Knicks
RE: RE: Caruso seems destined to be a Knick someday soon.  
Stu11 : 4/15/2024 11:45 am : link
In comment 16469260 nygiants16 said:
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I bet he’s one of Thibs’ five favorite players in the league.



I woukdnt be shocked if Derozan takes a pay cut and comes to the Knicks

Calbrine on the NBA radio morning show talks a lot about getting into "playoff shape" it actually about playing more down the stretch of the season rather than resting. Your minutes go from the mid to high 30's to over 40 in the playoffs. Today I saw it with DeRozan. The first 30 some minutes he was lights out. As his minutes got into the high 30's and 40's his shots started coming up short. What type of role would you see DeRozan in with the Knicks? 6th man microwave kind of role or maybe starting t the 3 next to OG at the 4?
RE: RE: RE: Caruso seems destined to be a Knick someday soon.  
nygiants16 : 4/15/2024 11:53 am : link
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I bet he’s one of Thibs’ five favorite players in the league.



I woukdnt be shocked if Derozan takes a pay cut and comes to the Knicks


Calbrine on the NBA radio morning show talks a lot about getting into "playoff shape" it actually about playing more down the stretch of the season rather than resting. Your minutes go from the mid to high 30's to over 40 in the playoffs. Today I saw it with DeRozan. The first 30 some minutes he was lights out. As his minutes got into the high 30's and 40's his shots started coming up short. What type of role would you see DeRozan in with the Knicks? 6th man microwave kind of role or maybe starting t the 3 next to OG at the 4?


Yeah he definitely looked like he started getting tired but i also think a big part of it was OG guarding him as well..

I think it depends, if they trade for a star like Mitchell, i could see him starting at the 3, but his best role on a winner could be 6th man, finisbing games
RE: RE: RE: RE: Caruso seems destined to be a Knick someday soon.  
Stu11 : 4/15/2024 12:14 pm : link
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I bet he’s one of Thibs’ five favorite players in the league.



I woukdnt be shocked if Derozan takes a pay cut and comes to the Knicks


Calbrine on the NBA radio morning show talks a lot about getting into "playoff shape" it actually about playing more down the stretch of the season rather than resting. Your minutes go from the mid to high 30's to over 40 in the playoffs. Today I saw it with DeRozan. The first 30 some minutes he was lights out. As his minutes got into the high 30's and 40's his shots started coming up short. What type of role would you see DeRozan in with the Knicks? 6th man microwave kind of role or maybe starting t the 3 next to OG at the 4?



Yeah he definitely looked like he started getting tired but i also think a big part of it was OG guarding him as well..

I think it depends, if they trade for a star like Mitchell, i could see him starting at the 3, but his best role on a winner could be 6th man, finisbing games

Scalabrine also had an interesting trade concept this AM. A 3-way between the Cavs/Knics/Nets. He doesn't love Mitchell to the Knicks, Bridges is a much better fit. Mitchell to the Nets, Bridges to the Knicks and a boatload of picks and maybe Randle fits into the deal too to make the salaries work. I know the Cavs probably wouldn't want him seeing as they already have Allen and Mobely but maybe he gets re-routed. Interesting concept. Maybe the Nets go for it seeing as its more convoluted and not dealing Bridges directly to the Knicks and also getting Mitchell makes up for it too. Mitchell really is a better fit for the Nets as they lost a ton of games in the 4th qtr this year and they could really use that alpha dog to make the big shots.
Yeah i could see something like that  
nygiants16 : 4/15/2024 12:17 pm : link
Brunson, DDV, Bridges, OG, Ihart is a championship 5 that can shoot the 3 and defend with the best of them..

Bench, Deuce, Hart, vet pickup or draft pick and Mitch
RE: RE: One downer is we have the 24th and 25th picks in the draft.  
bceagle05 : 4/15/2024 12:37 pm : link
In comment 16468820 ajr2456 said:
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Rough draft to have two picks that low. Going to be very few second contract guys. I do like Tyler Smith for one of those picks.

Knicks have 24, 25 and 38. I wonder if they take Bronny James with one of those picks? Nothing to lose, and a HOF wing to possibly gain.
RE: RE: RE: One downer is we have the 24th and 25th picks in the draft.  
nygiants16 : 4/15/2024 12:41 pm : link
In comment 16469444 bceagle05 said:
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Rough draft to have two picks that low. Going to be very few second contract guys. I do like Tyler Smith for one of those picks.


Knicks have 24, 25 and 38. I wonder if they take Bronny James with one of those picks? Nothing to lose, and a HOF wing to possibly gain.


I actually think if Bronny accepts that he is not going to be a star and not gojng to be a big sckrer in the NBA, he is going to be really good pick for a team close to winning..

He has all the tools to be a hell of a role player
According to ESPN NBA analyst Tim Legler  
nygiants16 : 4/15/2024 1:20 pm : link
the Knicks wont beat the Sixers in a 7 game series with Embiid playing, doesnt think the Knicks have anyone who can guard him
RE: According to ESPN NBA analyst Tim Legler  
Dr. D : 4/15/2024 1:40 pm : link
In comment 16469532 nygiants16 said:
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the Knicks wont beat the Sixers in a 7 game series with Embiid playing, doesnt think the Knicks have anyone who can guard him

We've proven that we can beat them w/ Embiid getting 30, 10.

We beat the snot out of them w/ Embiid in Jan. He got 30, but was a -29 (iHart was +26). We had Randle but he only scored 8 pts, in one of OG's first games with us.

I like our chances.
RE: RE: RE: One downer is we have the 24th and 25th picks in the draft.  
ajr2456 : 4/15/2024 1:45 pm : link
In comment 16469444 bceagle05 said:
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Rough draft to have two picks that low. Going to be very few second contract guys. I do like Tyler Smith for one of those picks.


Knicks have 24, 25 and 38. I wonder if they take Bronny James with one of those picks? Nothing to lose, and a HOF wing to possibly gain.


I don’t think they have any interest in that circus
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Strahan91 : 4/15/2024 1:46 pm : link
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Rough draft to have two picks that low. Going to be very few second contract guys. I do like Tyler Smith for one of those picks.


Knicks have 24, 25 and 38. I wonder if they take Bronny James with one of those picks? Nothing to lose, and a HOF wing to possibly gain.



I actually think if Bronny accepts that he is not going to be a star and not gojng to be a big sckrer in the NBA, he is going to be really good pick for a team close to winning..

He has all the tools to be a hell of a role player

A 6’4 guard who can’t shoot and isn’t athletic enough to create off the bounce? I’m a hard pass unless it’s coming with his dad. There are so many more talented options imo
I don't know a lot about the 76ers  
Dr. D : 4/15/2024 1:49 pm : link
but just looking at the box score from the Jan. game indicates that after Embiid and Maxey, they don't have much. Oubre was their 3rd scorer w 15 and no one else was even close to double figures.

And our bench beat the crap out of theirs; about 50 to 15. I know they've added Lowry, but don't think at this pt he's enough of a diff maker for them.
RE: I don't know a lot about the 76ers  
nygiants16 : 4/15/2024 1:52 pm : link
In comment 16469600 Dr. D said:
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but just looking at the box score from the Jan. game indicates that after Embiid and Maxey, they don't have much. Oubre was their 3rd scorer w 15 and no one else was even close to double figures.

And our bench beat the crap out of theirs; about 50 to 15. I know they've added Lowry, but don't think at this pt he's enough of a diff maker for them.


It looks like Lowry may start at the 2 for them because Melton cant stay healthy unless they go big with Oubre at the 2 and start Batum and Harris
76ers  
Dr. D : 4/15/2024 1:54 pm : link
looking at the box score from the Jan. game indicates that after Embiid and Maxey, they don't have much. Oubre was their 3rd scorer w 15 and no one else was even close to double figures.

And our bench beat the crap out of theirs; about 50 to 15. Our bench is slightly diff now, but playoff Bogi is probably an upgrade over Grimes.

I know it was just 1 game and they've added Lowry, but don't think at this pt he's enough of a diff maker for them.
RE: RE: RE: RE: One downer is we have the 24th and 25th picks in the draft.  
Dr. D : 4/15/2024 1:56 pm : link
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Rough draft to have two picks that low. Going to be very few second contract guys. I do like Tyler Smith for one of those picks.


Knicks have 24, 25 and 38. I wonder if they take Bronny James with one of those picks? Nothing to lose, and a HOF wing to possibly gain.



I don’t think they have any interest in that circus

I say F NO to that circus!
RE: RE: I don't know a lot about the 76ers  
Stu11 : 4/15/2024 2:21 pm : link
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but just looking at the box score from the Jan. game indicates that after Embiid and Maxey, they don't have much. Oubre was their 3rd scorer w 15 and no one else was even close to double figures.

And our bench beat the crap out of theirs; about 50 to 15. I know they've added Lowry, but don't think at this pt he's enough of a diff maker for them.



It looks like Lowry may start at the 2 for them because Melton cant stay healthy unless they go big with Oubre at the 2 and start Batum and Harris

Not sure whether Harris was healthy for those games in January. Plus they've added Hield so they have some more shooting. It would be a tough physical series, I think we can beat them because I just don't think Embiid is near 100%. I don't think they are a great match-up to play, but I hope they beat Miami. I just can't stand the heat. They have some hex over us where we can't shoot and their scrubs go crazy hitting 3 after 3. Get ready for Rozier to average 25 ppg. If we were to play the Heat I think DD and Bogdo might hold the key. If those guys hit their 3's it will bring Miami out of the paint.
I just think a big aspect of playing the Sixers  
nygiants16 : 4/15/2024 2:29 pm : link
that people are ignoring and just sayong well Embiid is playing ao he will give them 30, yeah thats great and i get it he is an mvp..

BUT he cant move, so he is going to be put in pick and roll constantly and he is going to have to stop and start trying to hedge and help on Brunson..If he dropa Brunson will hit that pull up 3, if he pushes up, Brunson is going to have a walk to the hoop and if they slack off the corner, its an open 3
I'm  
DanMetroMan : 4/15/2024 3:02 pm : link
kind of surprised Thibs didn't receive a single COY vote
CP and KFTV just had the beats- Body , Begley and Katz on  
Stu11 : 4/15/2024 3:56 pm : link
For an hour. It was a good season recap and playoff preview chat. Good stuff. Catch it on YouTube.
RE: I'm  
Greg from LI : 4/15/2024 4:04 pm : link
In comment 16469727 DanMetroMan said:
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kind of surprised Thibs didn't receive a single COY vote


That's disgraceful, frankly. Want a crazy stat? Seven NBA teams had at least 11 players start 10+ games. Six of them missed the playoffs. The seventh was the Knicks.

If that's not great coaching, I don't know what is.
Agreed, Thibs should’ve won it outright.  
bceagle05 : 4/15/2024 4:06 pm : link
No Randle for 36 games, no Mitch for 50+ games, no OG for 27 games after trading two key rotation pieces to acquire him - 50 wins and a #2 seed is a remarkable accomplishment.
This isn't the official COY award  
Larry in Pencilvania : 4/15/2024 4:12 pm : link
Today's award was voted on by the coaches. The Red Auerbach award is voted by the media
The fact JB Bickerstsff got a vote  
nygiants16 : 4/15/2024 4:16 pm : link
and Thibs didnt is absolutely disgraceful
RE: This isn't the official COY award  
bceagle05 : 4/15/2024 4:18 pm : link
In comment 16469851 Larry in Pencilvania said:
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Today's award was voted on by the coaches. The Red Auerbach award is voted by the media

Thanks, thought it was a bit early for the official one.
Interesting quote from Begley  
ajr2456 : 4/15/2024 4:28 pm : link
What I've heard is that [Jalen Brunson] doesn't really care about being a headline, money-making player as a free agent. He's not caught up in that stuff. He likes it here, he really wants to see this organization keep going in this direction and to have success with him here. They're open to it, but there are other factors at play beyond the money that will come into it."
Begley - ( New Window )
RE: Interesting quote from Begley  
nygiants16 : 4/15/2024 5:17 pm : link
In comment 16469875 ajr2456 said:
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What I've heard is that [Jalen Brunson] doesn't really care about being a headline, money-making player as a free agent. He's not caught up in that stuff. He likes it here, he really wants to see this organization keep going in this direction and to have success with him here. They're open to it, but there are other factors at play beyond the money that will come into it." Begley - ( New Window )


I wonder if he has a couple of names in mind that he wants the Knicks to go after
"other factors at play"  
Enzo : 4/15/2024 5:23 pm : link
what other factors are there? lol. I like Begley but I'm going to assume he didn't elaborate.

That said, if Brunson is willing to extend you do it in a heartbeat. It's a lower number then if he gets to UFA.
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