Among other things I’m not crazy that Nabors got in trouble for having an unregistered weapon in college though the charges were ultimately dismissed. Red flag of his judgement and character.
He’s a better fit with Robinson and Hyatt, and is a high character guy. He’s everything you want in a receiver. He can play outside, in the slot, runs good routes, doesn’t drop many balls, and is a nightmare for opposing DBs on 50/50. Besides Caleb Williams, there isn’t a player I personally like more in this draft.
Nabers all the way. Rome reminds me too much of Golladay
Nabers. I think he's going to be a much more versatile WR. I see him playing X or Z.
Nabers is a classic Z, Odunze is a classic X. They both could play from all over, but in the traditional sense Nabers is a classic Z and Odunze is a classic X, no?
I believe something like 90% of Nabers production was when moved out of the slot? Odunze moved all over the place, but was predominantly out wide. I don't think Nabers would fit the role of a classic Z or at least he didn't do that in college with the vast majority of his production when moved in from the outside.
I know this is hard to really project, but something about the way Nabers plays makes me really worried about wear & tear, injuries and longevity. Odunze is the opposite for me. He is so smooth and smart with his movements I feel very comfortable with him staying healthy and productive for a long time.
Then GiantGrit mentioned that he was told about the gun incident as one red flag and that there were other legitimate character concerns brought up to him as well. Odunze and MHJ seem like the two most surefire picks in the draft to me.
Nabers. I think he's going to be a much more versatile WR. I see him playing X or Z.
Think you’re right. Seems like he’s a Daboll type WR.
I can't my arms around Odunze. There is a one-trick pony element to his game right now. He is great at it, but I think he needs a lot more refining.
He needs to me with one of the QBs who will throw him open.
He doesn't just make contested catches. He finds holes in zone coverage very well, his route running is very good, he does a great job smoothly changing gears with deceptive speed to gain separation, his ball tracking is elite, his RAC ability is solid, he's a good blocker. Are you saying he is only good at making contested catches?
Nabers has some diva/headache on the sidelines type of guy in him. Rome does not.
Where does this come from? Why do we make stuff up to support opinions?
Well I haven't heard about diva/headcase on the sidelimes. GiantGrit did say we prefer Odunze for multiple reasons and he has heard about the Gun incident being a red flag and other undisclosed legit character issues.
Nabers has some diva/headache on the sidelines type of guy in him. Rome does not.
Where does this come from? Why do we make stuff up to support opinions?
Well I haven't heard about diva/headcase on the sidelimes. GiantGrit did say we prefer Odunze for multiple reasons and he has heard about the Gun incident being a red flag and other undisclosed legit character issues.
I'm fine with any of the top 3. Odunze is great. Imo, so is Nabers. If a person likes Odunze more then that is great but let's base it on facts and not made up shit.
Nabers has some diva/headache on the sidelines type of guy in him. Rome does not.
Where does this come from? Why do we make stuff up to support opinions?
Well I haven't heard about diva/headcase on the sidelimes. GiantGrit did say we prefer Odunze for multiple reasons and he has heard about the Gun incident being a red flag and other undisclosed legit character issues.
I'm fine with any of the top 3. Odunze is great. Imo, so is Nabers. If a person likes Odunze more then that is great but let's base it on facts and not made up shit.
That fair, I wonder what the other legit character issues are that were mentioned to GiantGrit. Sounds like Schoen did a lot of homework on Nabers. Daboll also sounds like he dgaf ha. Either way, the combination of Odunze's character and smoothness make me feel confident he will have a much healthier, longer and ultimately productive career.
IMO, in Game 5 or 6 when he is not getting his targets, because of our QB ineptitude, he will slide into pout regime and lose interest. That possibility is what we need to avoid.
IMO, in Game 5 or 6 when he is not getting his targets, because of our QB ineptitude, he will slide into pout regime and lose interest. That possibility is what we need to avoid.
I prefer Nabers. It's possible if I were privy to all the intel that Schoen has on their character/maturity/etc, I might prefer Odunze; but I'm not, so I don't.
He doesn't just make contested catches. He finds holes in zone coverage very well, his route running is very good, he does a great job smoothly changing gears with deceptive speed to gain separation, his ball tracking is elite, his RAC ability is solid, he's a good blocker. Are you saying he is only good at making contested catches?
RO was terrific getting downfield and making big plays. In fact, he was great at it. And he had a QB who could throw strikes to him when he got down the field. When the ball arrived, he showed great prowess catching it.
Beyond that? I don't know. I don't know if RO's route running is very good or how well he reads coverages. The PAC-12 defenses did not play a lot of sophisticated coverages and the offenses were always way, way ahead.
He doesn't just make contested catches. He finds holes in zone coverage very well, his route running is very good, he does a great job smoothly changing gears with deceptive speed to gain separation, his ball tracking is elite, his RAC ability is solid, he's a good blocker. Are you saying he is only good at making contested catches?
RO was terrific getting downfield and making big plays. In fact, he was great at it. And he had a QB who could throw strikes to him when he got down the field. When the ball arrived, he showed great prowess catching it.
Beyond that? I don't know. I don't know if RO's route running is very good or how well he reads coverages. The PAC-12 defenses did not play a lot of sophisticated coverages and the offenses were always way, way ahead.
I'll have to rewatch, but I remember him being dominant in the Natty, but Penix just missed him several times. He had 5 for 87, but could have been a lot more if I remember correctly.
The strength of completion thing is a fair point though. He was pretty good against Khyree Jackson of Oregon, but outside of Michigan and Jackson for Oregon he didn't have a lot of big matchups. Travis Hunter shut him down in 2022, only 17 yards in that game. That's a fair point you bring up.
Josina is a shit stirrer and specifically asked about the Giants pretty much not having a QB so he said they'll figure it out. Holy shit. What a fuckin nightmare. Link - ( New Window )
But I can't believe its this skewed towards a guy who barely gets open against lower level competetion. Vs Nabers who is younger, more explosive and gets open deep, short and everywhere on the field.. He played in the SEC against better defenses and is a year younger.. I see 4-5 years of absolute stardom from this kid.. after that he is on the second contract and the draft pick has already paid off..
But I can't believe its this skewed towards a guy who barely gets open against lower level competetion. Vs Nabers who is younger, more explosive and gets open deep, short and everywhere on the field.. He played in the SEC against better defenses and is a year younger.. I see 4-5 years of absolute stardom from this kid.. after that he is on the second contract and the draft pick has already paid off..
That's a good point, if I was going off sheer ability I would take Nabers. I like the way he catches the ball, moves, his moves before and after the catch are elite and he torched 1st round picks in this draft. I see why Daboll supposedly loves him. Then there are the character concerns GiantGrit mentions hearing from insiders, so I think many here are thinking the Giants might not take Nabers at 6 so we better love Odunze. Not to say Odunze isn't an elite prospect, but I think that's part of it.
They are both fantastic prospects and it basically comes down to what type of WR you want and the character concerns (some stuff beyond the gun incident that we don't know about it sounds like).
The big three qbs go, MHJR, then the LSU receiver. I’m not taking JJ or RO. I’m taking Arnold who I feel is the best player in the draft and a premium position, and a position of need.
all day, every day. He checks the boxes when I comes to measurables and production. Sy comparing him to Fitz is the icing on the cake. I get Odell vibes from the Nabers. The bad vibes that is. All the production in the world but we pray morning, noon and night that he does say or do something that winds up on ESPN and the back of the Daily News. Been there. Done that. Don't want it again
While I love Odunze's mental makeup, work ethic, etc.
When asked about coming to the Giants basically poo pooed on the QB sitch. Not saying he was wrong but gave Beckham vibes.
Did you watch the video? If so, you'd know this is all twisted but lets keep going with that story.
Thanks for posting that video. I had sensed that the story of Nabers ragging on Jones and the Giants' "QB situation" was blown-out-of-proportion B.S. and now I know the truth.
Leave it to BBI to take a nothing quote and blow it up into a blatant criticism of the Giants.
It shows me he wants to go out there and dominate and win. It's perfectly legitimate for him to express skepticism that the Giants are the best environment for him to succeed when the team has 8 first quarter TDs in 3 years and bottom tier QB play. I wish more incoming rookies aksed pointed questions of this franchise and their long-term direction because they haven't earned the benefit of the doubt. Maybe it would shake them out of their insular malaise and contentment.
Now, Odunze may very well be the better player, but please do not take a lesser prospect simply because they'll be a good soldier while Daniel Jones fails to look their way.
It would such an easy pick. I am hiring executive my whole live. If 2 candidates are remotely close in talent or experience, you take the high character person AND RUN! A little more talent for drama
NO NO NO
Assholes break teams.
I am not calling Nabers an asshole.
The potential diva is strong in Nabers. I would take NABERS but ODUNZE IS THE DUDE.
It shows me he wants to go out there and dominate and win. It's perfectly legitimate for him to express skepticism that the Giants are the best environment for him to succeed when the team has 8 first quarter TDs in 3 years and bottom tier QB play. I wish more incoming rookies aksed pointed questions of this franchise and their long-term direction because they haven't earned the benefit of the doubt. Maybe it would shake them out of their insular malaise and contentment.
Now, Odunze may very well be the better player, but please do not take a lesser prospect simply because they'll be a good soldier while Daniel Jones fails to look their way.
He didn't call out the QB situation. He was asked about going to the Giants with uncertainty at the QB position and said they'll figure it out.
Think you’re right. Seems like he’s a Daboll type WR.
Nabers is a classic Z, Odunze is a classic X. They both could play from all over, but in the traditional sense Nabers is a classic Z and Odunze is a classic X, no?
I believe something like 90% of Nabers production was when moved out of the slot? Odunze moved all over the place, but was predominantly out wide. I don't think Nabers would fit the role of a classic Z or at least he didn't do that in college with the vast majority of his production when moved in from the outside.
I know this is hard to really project, but something about the way Nabers plays makes me really worried about wear & tear, injuries and longevity. Odunze is the opposite for me. He is so smooth and smart with his movements I feel very comfortable with him staying healthy and productive for a long time.
Then GiantGrit mentioned that he was told about the gun incident as one red flag and that there were other legitimate character concerns brought up to him as well. Odunze and MHJ seem like the two most surefire picks in the draft to me.
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Nabers. I think he's going to be a much more versatile WR. I see him playing X or Z.
Think you’re right. Seems like he’s a Daboll type WR.
I can't my arms around Odunze. There is a one-trick pony element to his game right now. He is great at it, but I think he needs a lot more refining.
He needs to me with one of the QBs who will throw him open.
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Nabers. I think he's going to be a much more versatile WR. I see him playing X or Z.
Think you’re right. Seems like he’s a Daboll type WR.
I can't my arms around Odunze. There is a one-trick pony element to his game right now. He is great at it, but I think he needs a lot more refining.
He needs to me with one of the QBs who will throw him open.
He doesn't just make contested catches. He finds holes in zone coverage very well, his route running is very good, he does a great job smoothly changing gears with deceptive speed to gain separation, his ball tracking is elite, his RAC ability is solid, he's a good blocker. Are you saying he is only good at making contested catches?
Where does this come from? Why do we make stuff up to support opinions?
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Nabers has some diva/headache on the sidelines type of guy in him. Rome does not.
Where does this come from? Why do we make stuff up to support opinions?
I’m making it up? Ok.
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Nabers has some diva/headache on the sidelines type of guy in him. Rome does not.
Where does this come from? Why do we make stuff up to support opinions?
Well I haven't heard about diva/headcase on the sidelimes. GiantGrit did say we prefer Odunze for multiple reasons and he has heard about the Gun incident being a red flag and other undisclosed legit character issues.
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Nabers has some diva/headache on the sidelines type of guy in him. Rome does not.
Where does this come from? Why do we make stuff up to support opinions?
I’m making it up? Ok.
Yeah, show me where he is a diva and a headache on the sideline? I'll wait.
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Nabers has some diva/headache on the sidelines type of guy in him. Rome does not.
Where does this come from? Why do we make stuff up to support opinions?
Well I haven't heard about diva/headcase on the sidelimes. GiantGrit did say we prefer Odunze for multiple reasons and he has heard about the Gun incident being a red flag and other undisclosed legit character issues.
I'm fine with any of the top 3. Odunze is great. Imo, so is Nabers. If a person likes Odunze more then that is great but let's base it on facts and not made up shit.
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Nabers has some diva/headache on the sidelines type of guy in him. Rome does not.
Where does this come from? Why do we make stuff up to support opinions?
Well I haven't heard about diva/headcase on the sidelimes. GiantGrit did say we prefer Odunze for multiple reasons and he has heard about the Gun incident being a red flag and other undisclosed legit character issues.
I'm fine with any of the top 3. Odunze is great. Imo, so is Nabers. If a person likes Odunze more then that is great but let's base it on facts and not made up shit.
That fair, I wonder what the other legit character issues are that were mentioned to GiantGrit. Sounds like Schoen did a lot of homework on Nabers. Daboll also sounds like he dgaf ha. Either way, the combination of Odunze's character and smoothness make me feel confident he will have a much healthier, longer and ultimately productive career.
Here we go again.
He doesn't just make contested catches. He finds holes in zone coverage very well, his route running is very good, he does a great job smoothly changing gears with deceptive speed to gain separation, his ball tracking is elite, his RAC ability is solid, he's a good blocker. Are you saying he is only good at making contested catches?
RO was terrific getting downfield and making big plays. In fact, he was great at it. And he had a QB who could throw strikes to him when he got down the field. When the ball arrived, he showed great prowess catching it.
Beyond that? I don't know. I don't know if RO's route running is very good or how well he reads coverages. The PAC-12 defenses did not play a lot of sophisticated coverages and the offenses were always way, way ahead.
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He doesn't just make contested catches. He finds holes in zone coverage very well, his route running is very good, he does a great job smoothly changing gears with deceptive speed to gain separation, his ball tracking is elite, his RAC ability is solid, he's a good blocker. Are you saying he is only good at making contested catches?
RO was terrific getting downfield and making big plays. In fact, he was great at it. And he had a QB who could throw strikes to him when he got down the field. When the ball arrived, he showed great prowess catching it.
Beyond that? I don't know. I don't know if RO's route running is very good or how well he reads coverages. The PAC-12 defenses did not play a lot of sophisticated coverages and the offenses were always way, way ahead.
I'll have to rewatch, but I remember him being dominant in the Natty, but Penix just missed him several times. He had 5 for 87, but could have been a lot more if I remember correctly.
The strength of completion thing is a fair point though. He was pretty good against Khyree Jackson of Oregon, but outside of Michigan and Jackson for Oregon he didn't have a lot of big matchups. Travis Hunter shut him down in 2022, only 17 yards in that game. That's a fair point you bring up.
Did you watch the video? If so, you'd know this is all twisted but lets keep going with that story.
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That's a good point, if I was going off sheer ability I would take Nabers. I like the way he catches the ball, moves, his moves before and after the catch are elite and he torched 1st round picks in this draft. I see why Daboll supposedly loves him. Then there are the character concerns GiantGrit mentions hearing from insiders, so I think many here are thinking the Giants might not take Nabers at 6 so we better love Odunze. Not to say Odunze isn't an elite prospect, but I think that's part of it.
They are both fantastic prospects and it basically comes down to what type of WR you want and the character concerns (some stuff beyond the gun incident that we don't know about it sounds like).
With this in mind, I think I take Nabers. But I would be more than happy with Odunze too, and even more happy with Odunze in a trade down.
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When asked about coming to the Giants basically poo pooed on the QB sitch. Not saying he was wrong but gave Beckham vibes.
Did you watch the video? If so, you'd know this is all twisted but lets keep going with that story.
Thanks for posting that video. I had sensed that the story of Nabers ragging on Jones and the Giants' "QB situation" was blown-out-of-proportion B.S. and now I know the truth.
Leave it to BBI to take a nothing quote and blow it up into a blatant criticism of the Giants.
Agree
Now, Odunze may very well be the better player, but please do not take a lesser prospect simply because they'll be a good soldier while Daniel Jones fails to look their way.
NO NO NO
Assholes break teams.
I am not calling Nabers an asshole.
The potential diva is strong in Nabers. I would take NABERS but ODUNZE IS THE DUDE.
Now, Odunze may very well be the better player, but please do not take a lesser prospect simply because they'll be a good soldier while Daniel Jones fails to look their way.
He didn't call out the QB situation. He was asked about going to the Giants with uncertainty at the QB position and said they'll figure it out.