Impeccable character, red zone, 3rd down, smooth mover with less injury risk, the type ofbody and smoothness and character that I could easily see producing a 12 year career of ring of honor productivity, dedication and drive.
I really feel that he can be as big of an impact on the offense as Shockey and odell Beckham Jr did without the character issues. I also think his personality will quickly elevate him to a leadership role quickly.
has a fantastic all around game. Is a better fit for what we need. Less likely to be a diva and cause problems. Also if Penix drops at all we move back up and pounce. The thought of Penix a great deep ball thrower throwing to Odunze and Hyatt is very enticing.
He plays smart and smooth like he is the kind of receiver who will be productive and healthy for a decade. I know anyone can get injured, but something about watching him makes me feel confident in him having a long, healthy and productive career.
Among other things I’m not crazy that Nabors got in trouble for having an unregistered weapon in college though the charges were ultimately dismissed. Red flag of his judgement and character.
He’s a better fit with Robinson and Hyatt, and is a high character guy. He’s everything you want in a receiver. He can play outside, in the slot, runs good routes, doesn’t drop many balls, and is a nightmare for opposing DBs on 50/50. Besides Caleb Williams, there isn’t a player I personally like more in this draft.
Nabers all the way. Rome reminds me too much of Golladay
Nabers. I think he's going to be a much more versatile WR. I see him playing X or Z.
Nabers is a classic Z, Odunze is a classic X. They both could play from all over, but in the traditional sense Nabers is a classic Z and Odunze is a classic X, no?
I believe something like 90% of Nabers production was when moved out of the slot? Odunze moved all over the place, but was predominantly out wide. I don't think Nabers would fit the role of a classic Z or at least he didn't do that in college with the vast majority of his production when moved in from the outside.
I know this is hard to really project, but something about the way Nabers plays makes me really worried about wear & tear, injuries and longevity. Odunze is the opposite for me. He is so smooth and smart with his movements I feel very comfortable with him staying healthy and productive for a long time.
Then GiantGrit mentioned that he was told about the gun incident as one red flag and that there were other legitimate character concerns brought up to him as well. Odunze and MHJ seem like the two most surefire picks in the draft to me.
Nabers. I think he's going to be a much more versatile WR. I see him playing X or Z.
Think you’re right. Seems like he’s a Daboll type WR.
I can't my arms around Odunze. There is a one-trick pony element to his game right now. He is great at it, but I think he needs a lot more refining.
He needs to me with one of the QBs who will throw him open.
He doesn't just make contested catches. He finds holes in zone coverage very well, his route running is very good, he does a great job smoothly changing gears with deceptive speed to gain separation, his ball tracking is elite, his RAC ability is solid, he's a good blocker. Are you saying he is only good at making contested catches?
Nabers has some diva/headache on the sidelines type of guy in him. Rome does not.
Where does this come from? Why do we make stuff up to support opinions?
Well I haven't heard about diva/headcase on the sidelimes. GiantGrit did say we prefer Odunze for multiple reasons and he has heard about the Gun incident being a red flag and other undisclosed legit character issues.
Nabers has some diva/headache on the sidelines type of guy in him. Rome does not.
Where does this come from? Why do we make stuff up to support opinions?
Well I haven't heard about diva/headcase on the sidelimes. GiantGrit did say we prefer Odunze for multiple reasons and he has heard about the Gun incident being a red flag and other undisclosed legit character issues.
I'm fine with any of the top 3. Odunze is great. Imo, so is Nabers. If a person likes Odunze more then that is great but let's base it on facts and not made up shit.
Nabers has some diva/headache on the sidelines type of guy in him. Rome does not.
Where does this come from? Why do we make stuff up to support opinions?
Well I haven't heard about diva/headcase on the sidelimes. GiantGrit did say we prefer Odunze for multiple reasons and he has heard about the Gun incident being a red flag and other undisclosed legit character issues.
I'm fine with any of the top 3. Odunze is great. Imo, so is Nabers. If a person likes Odunze more then that is great but let's base it on facts and not made up shit.
That fair, I wonder what the other legit character issues are that were mentioned to GiantGrit. Sounds like Schoen did a lot of homework on Nabers. Daboll also sounds like he dgaf ha. Either way, the combination of Odunze's character and smoothness make me feel confident he will have a much healthier, longer and ultimately productive career.
IMO, in Game 5 or 6 when he is not getting his targets, because of our QB ineptitude, he will slide into pout regime and lose interest. That possibility is what we need to avoid.
IMO, in Game 5 or 6 when he is not getting his targets, because of our QB ineptitude, he will slide into pout regime and lose interest. That possibility is what we need to avoid.
I prefer Nabers. It's possible if I were privy to all the intel that Schoen has on their character/maturity/etc, I might prefer Odunze; but I'm not, so I don't.
He doesn't just make contested catches. He finds holes in zone coverage very well, his route running is very good, he does a great job smoothly changing gears with deceptive speed to gain separation, his ball tracking is elite, his RAC ability is solid, he's a good blocker. Are you saying he is only good at making contested catches?
RO was terrific getting downfield and making big plays. In fact, he was great at it. And he had a QB who could throw strikes to him when he got down the field. When the ball arrived, he showed great prowess catching it.
Beyond that? I don't know. I don't know if RO's route running is very good or how well he reads coverages. The PAC-12 defenses did not play a lot of sophisticated coverages and the offenses were always way, way ahead.
He doesn't just make contested catches. He finds holes in zone coverage very well, his route running is very good, he does a great job smoothly changing gears with deceptive speed to gain separation, his ball tracking is elite, his RAC ability is solid, he's a good blocker. Are you saying he is only good at making contested catches?
RO was terrific getting downfield and making big plays. In fact, he was great at it. And he had a QB who could throw strikes to him when he got down the field. When the ball arrived, he showed great prowess catching it.
Beyond that? I don't know. I don't know if RO's route running is very good or how well he reads coverages. The PAC-12 defenses did not play a lot of sophisticated coverages and the offenses were always way, way ahead.
I'll have to rewatch, but I remember him being dominant in the Natty, but Penix just missed him several times. He had 5 for 87, but could have been a lot more if I remember correctly.
The strength of completion thing is a fair point though. He was pretty good against Khyree Jackson of Oregon, but outside of Michigan and Jackson for Oregon he didn't have a lot of big matchups. Travis Hunter shut him down in 2022, only 17 yards in that game. That's a fair point you bring up.
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But I am split...
But my preference is trading down. Assuming there are takers. I have to imagine there’s a market to be in position to take a blue chip WR.
This is it for me
My favorite player in the draft.
We aren't drafting for a fit with DJ. Even if we don't get a QB this year, DJ is not the future.
Think you’re right. Seems like he’s a Daboll type WR.
Nabers is a classic Z, Odunze is a classic X. They both could play from all over, but in the traditional sense Nabers is a classic Z and Odunze is a classic X, no?
I believe something like 90% of Nabers production was when moved out of the slot? Odunze moved all over the place, but was predominantly out wide. I don't think Nabers would fit the role of a classic Z or at least he didn't do that in college with the vast majority of his production when moved in from the outside.
I know this is hard to really project, but something about the way Nabers plays makes me really worried about wear & tear, injuries and longevity. Odunze is the opposite for me. He is so smooth and smart with his movements I feel very comfortable with him staying healthy and productive for a long time.
Then GiantGrit mentioned that he was told about the gun incident as one red flag and that there were other legitimate character concerns brought up to him as well. Odunze and MHJ seem like the two most surefire picks in the draft to me.
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Nabers. I think he's going to be a much more versatile WR. I see him playing X or Z.
Think you’re right. Seems like he’s a Daboll type WR.
I can't my arms around Odunze. There is a one-trick pony element to his game right now. He is great at it, but I think he needs a lot more refining.
He needs to me with one of the QBs who will throw him open.
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Nabers. I think he's going to be a much more versatile WR. I see him playing X or Z.
Think you’re right. Seems like he’s a Daboll type WR.
I can't my arms around Odunze. There is a one-trick pony element to his game right now. He is great at it, but I think he needs a lot more refining.
He needs to me with one of the QBs who will throw him open.
He doesn't just make contested catches. He finds holes in zone coverage very well, his route running is very good, he does a great job smoothly changing gears with deceptive speed to gain separation, his ball tracking is elite, his RAC ability is solid, he's a good blocker. Are you saying he is only good at making contested catches?
Where does this come from? Why do we make stuff up to support opinions?
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Nabers has some diva/headache on the sidelines type of guy in him. Rome does not.
Where does this come from? Why do we make stuff up to support opinions?
I’m making it up? Ok.
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Nabers has some diva/headache on the sidelines type of guy in him. Rome does not.
Where does this come from? Why do we make stuff up to support opinions?
Well I haven't heard about diva/headcase on the sidelimes. GiantGrit did say we prefer Odunze for multiple reasons and he has heard about the Gun incident being a red flag and other undisclosed legit character issues.
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Nabers has some diva/headache on the sidelines type of guy in him. Rome does not.
Where does this come from? Why do we make stuff up to support opinions?
I’m making it up? Ok.
Yeah, show me where he is a diva and a headache on the sideline? I'll wait.
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Nabers has some diva/headache on the sidelines type of guy in him. Rome does not.
Where does this come from? Why do we make stuff up to support opinions?
Well I haven't heard about diva/headcase on the sidelimes. GiantGrit did say we prefer Odunze for multiple reasons and he has heard about the Gun incident being a red flag and other undisclosed legit character issues.
I'm fine with any of the top 3. Odunze is great. Imo, so is Nabers. If a person likes Odunze more then that is great but let's base it on facts and not made up shit.
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In comment 16468747 ryanmkeane said:
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Nabers has some diva/headache on the sidelines type of guy in him. Rome does not.
Where does this come from? Why do we make stuff up to support opinions?
Well I haven't heard about diva/headcase on the sidelimes. GiantGrit did say we prefer Odunze for multiple reasons and he has heard about the Gun incident being a red flag and other undisclosed legit character issues.
I'm fine with any of the top 3. Odunze is great. Imo, so is Nabers. If a person likes Odunze more then that is great but let's base it on facts and not made up shit.
That fair, I wonder what the other legit character issues are that were mentioned to GiantGrit. Sounds like Schoen did a lot of homework on Nabers. Daboll also sounds like he dgaf ha. Either way, the combination of Odunze's character and smoothness make me feel confident he will have a much healthier, longer and ultimately productive career.
Here we go again.
He doesn't just make contested catches. He finds holes in zone coverage very well, his route running is very good, he does a great job smoothly changing gears with deceptive speed to gain separation, his ball tracking is elite, his RAC ability is solid, he's a good blocker. Are you saying he is only good at making contested catches?
RO was terrific getting downfield and making big plays. In fact, he was great at it. And he had a QB who could throw strikes to him when he got down the field. When the ball arrived, he showed great prowess catching it.
Beyond that? I don't know. I don't know if RO's route running is very good or how well he reads coverages. The PAC-12 defenses did not play a lot of sophisticated coverages and the offenses were always way, way ahead.
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He doesn't just make contested catches. He finds holes in zone coverage very well, his route running is very good, he does a great job smoothly changing gears with deceptive speed to gain separation, his ball tracking is elite, his RAC ability is solid, he's a good blocker. Are you saying he is only good at making contested catches?
RO was terrific getting downfield and making big plays. In fact, he was great at it. And he had a QB who could throw strikes to him when he got down the field. When the ball arrived, he showed great prowess catching it.
Beyond that? I don't know. I don't know if RO's route running is very good or how well he reads coverages. The PAC-12 defenses did not play a lot of sophisticated coverages and the offenses were always way, way ahead.
I'll have to rewatch, but I remember him being dominant in the Natty, but Penix just missed him several times. He had 5 for 87, but could have been a lot more if I remember correctly.
The strength of completion thing is a fair point though. He was pretty good against Khyree Jackson of Oregon, but outside of Michigan and Jackson for Oregon he didn't have a lot of big matchups. Travis Hunter shut him down in 2022, only 17 yards in that game. That's a fair point you bring up.
Did you watch the video? If so, you'd know this is all twisted but lets keep going with that story.
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