So as we all know he was signed off the trash heap in and turned his life and career around with the Giants leading them to a Super Bowl and another playoff run a couple years later. Played the most solid quarterbacking arguably since Phil Simms. I was wondering because it was never clear to me did the Giants ever consider him a franchise quarterback or was he just a bridge player who happened to play better than expected until they got a franchise QB, in this case Eli Manning. I don’t remember if he even got to a second contract or his whole career on the Giants was just on the deal he signed in ‘99
For the record I was one of the ones pounding the table for them to draft Robert Gallery that year and build Kerry a good OL instead of starting over with another QB. Good thing I’m not in charge of the team in hindsight 😏
Once Fassel was out after 2003 and Coughlin came in and Collins was turning 32 before the 2004 season. It was pretty clear to see the Giants were going to go QB in that draft so Coughlin could build around his new QB.
As I recall, Wellington wasn't happy about drafting Collins' replacement and begrudgingly told Accorsi to do what he needed to, but he liked Collins because he led the Giants to a Super Bowl and all the adversity he overcame.
I also remember the Giants offering him the chance to mentor their new QB (in this case Eli). Coming into his contract year, Collins didn't want to do that and asked for his release, so the Giants granted that, which opened the door for Kurt Warner who was a June 1st cut and was looking for a job.
This absolutely, definitely, did not happen.
Obviously, Gallery didn't even sniff that hype, and 2 Super Bowl wins later...
It’s still baffles me to this day why Fassel did not bench KC for Jason Garrett in the Super Bowl after Kerry dislocated his shoulder or whatever injury he suffered halfway through the game
His deep passes were as pretty as anyone else's
Giants management and Fassel pretty much told Kerry when they signed him that he had to stay sober and out of trouble or they would cut him so fast his head would spin. And thankfully he did.
Once Fassel was out after 2003 and Coughlin came in and Collins was turning 32 before the 2004 season. It was pretty clear to see the Giants were going to go QB in that draft so Coughlin could build around his new QB.
As I recall, Wellington wasn't happy about drafting Collins' replacement and begrudgingly told Accorsi to do what he needed to, but he liked Collins because he led the Giants to a Super Bowl and all the adversity he overcame.
I also remember the Giants offering him the chance to mentor their new QB (in this case Eli). Coming into his contract year, Collins didn't want to do that and asked for his release, so the Giants granted that, which opened the door for Kurt Warner who was a June 1st cut and was looking for a job.
Kerry said after they hired Coughlin, TC walked right past him in the hallway and didn’t even look at him and he knew it was over in New York
To be fair, it seems like most people don't know he was much better under pass rush before he had his jaw broken by Romanowski. That was one of the most brutal QB hits I have ever seen. He was a pretty good QB with (as mentioned ad-nauseum) an absolute cannon for an arm.
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And I can't remember where exactly. Maybe Accorsi's book that he wrote on Eli Manning, but Accorsi knew after the 2000 superbowl that Collins was not the quarterback to lead the team to a superbowl. Collins had a deer in the headlights look and lost command of the offense.
To be fair, it seems like most people don't know he was much better under pass rush before he had his jaw broken by Romanowski. That was one of the most brutal QB hits I have ever seen. He was a pretty good QB with (as mentioned ad-nauseum) an absolute cannon for an arm.
I don't know if this ever came out, but prior to the SB against the Ravens, Fassel thought it'd be a great idea to install a different offense just for that 1 game. Let's just say it did not go over well with the players and their performance or lack thereof showed it. Who knows if the Ravens would have been able to do the same thing with any offense the Giants had. That Romanowski hit was really bad. Ouch!
Kerry said after they hired Coughlin, TC walked right past him in the hallway and didn’t even look at him and he knew it was over in New York
Apparently Coughlin also did this to Bortles at Jacksonville. I'm kind of conflicted on how I feel about it. On one hand, it's a bit of a dick move, but on the other hand, there's little purpose in playing fake nice to a player who is not in your future plans. In fact, I feel like the current Giants could use a little bit of this ruthlessness.
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Kerry said after they hired Coughlin, TC walked right past him in the hallway and didn’t even look at him and he knew it was over in New York
Apparently Coughlin also did this to Bortles at Jacksonville. I'm kind of conflicted on how I feel about it. On one hand, it's a bit of a dick move, but on the other hand, there's little purpose in playing fake nice to a player who is not in your future plans. In fact, I feel like the current Giants could use a little bit of this ruthlessness.
One could surmise being signed by the Giants is a bit of ruthlessness!
He was responsible for one of the greatest games to watch as a Giants fan (41-0) and for that I’m grateful.
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What a bizarre recollection. The 2003 Giants beat the Jets in Week 9 to even their record at 4-4. Eight consecutive losses followed, with Collins missing the last three after getting hurt in Week 14. He never took another snap in blue.
Collins wasn't the biggest problem with that team, and his Giant tenure wasn't discernibly worse than what Eli Manning showed prior to December 29, 2007. If Jeremy Shockey hadn't dropped an easy TD at Candlestick on January 5, 2003, we might remember Collins very differently. On the other hand, Accorsi was probably right that we had seen both the best and worst of Kerry Collins, and that neither was good enough.
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Kerry said after they hired Coughlin, TC walked right past him in the hallway and didn’t even look at him and he knew it was over in New York
Apparently Coughlin also did this to Bortles at Jacksonville. I'm kind of conflicted on how I feel about it. On one hand, it's a bit of a dick move, but on the other hand, there's little purpose in playing fake nice to a player who is not in your future plans. In fact, I feel like the current Giants could use a little bit of this ruthlessness.
Tom Coughlin does not strike me as the type of person who can fake nice to anybody
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I think they won his last game and got carried off the field which was ridiculous after a 4-12 season.
This absolutely, definitely, did not happen.
The silent treatment is definitely not an honorable manuever but I understand it on level given the power dynamics. Wellington loved Collins, so I wonder if this was Coughlin's way of asserting his control until he got his preferred QB in without saying anything directly, ie "fuck what the owner says to you, I decide who my starting QB is."
And we see what happens when the coach/GM lets themselves get steamrolled. Before Schoen and Daboll even got to their offices, Mara went forward with the "we've failed Jones" speech and Jones showed up to Daboll's press conference and was immediately trying to ingratiate himself asking Daboll for input about the playbook. It all seems like a combined power move in hindsight, so I have more appreciation for Coughling icing Collins even if it goes against his straight-shooter reputation.
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Eli was "offered" to the NYG and Ernie accepted. The behind the scenes stuff had nothing to do with Kerry Collins.
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I think they won his last game and got carried off the field which was ridiculous after a 4-12 season.
This absolutely, definitely, did not happen.
i'm pretty sure he was hurt for the last game the Giants played with him on the team. Didnt Jesse Palmer finish out that year?
Kerry got injured for the rest of the season during a Bills game after the refs turned a blind eye so Bruce Smith could get his record-setting sack on a late hit reverse suplexing Collins and hurting him in the process. At least that’s how I remember it