I love both Odunze and Nabers as prospects. They are both elite. Nevertheless, I can't help but think it would not be wise taking one of them at 6 when we have needs at QB, CB, DL, TE, S, RB, OL and more. What good does a WR do when we have so many holes on the roster and a big question mark at QB?
We could get Odunze and Melton in the first 2 rounds or we could get Fautanu, Orhorhoro, Melton, and Benson just as an example.
I say if Schoen can't or doesn't get a QB with pick 6 then he needs to tradedown, perhaps multiple times. This is a very strong draft in the top 100. Either get a QB via pick 6 or stack picks in the top 100 and properly build the roster.
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You should draft the safest, blue chip player and that may be Odunze.
Every team has a different board. Every team has different priorities.
Every team falls in love with players and as you know from the top 30 visits, we tend to draft quite a few from that list.
WR is a smart move if you have a deep conviction on the player and the person. Culture matters as does elite talent.
Imagine if OBJ wasn't a diva WR and still had all that talent. He was drafted at pick 12. Odunze is a high quality player, person, teammate. Off the charts work ethic.
A very clean player. If we select a WR at 6 I hope it is him.
Everyone keeps bringing up OBJ, but we had Eli Manning ballin then. We have Lock and DJ now.
Plus, the draft is more like poker than a crapshoot. Good GMs get good players in the top 100 like the 49ers and Rams and others.
I don’t care who is throwing the ball in this discussion. If you are asking if drafting a solid blue chip WR with high character is worth the 6th pick I say yes if you have done the work and have a conviction.
Look, NFL teams spend shit loads of money scouting players and the process. Just look at the new video on the Giants high tech draft room. You don’t want to whiff on your first round pick. If Odunze is the pick or MHJ possibly, that wouldn’t be a wasted pick. We all know what a viable number 1 WR will do for an offense. We have other good young WR that would get open just by the presence of a top WR.
Odunze, Hyatt, Robinson, Slayton, Bellinger and Waller, assuming he plays, is a solid group.
The offensive line has a much better chance of being improved with the 5 linemen they have been signed along with the group we have.
Singletary is a solid back. I can see them drafting another back on day 2.
Jones, Lock and DeVito won’t scare anybody, I get it, but saying a great WR prospect won’t improve the offense along with an improved OL is just a massive unknown.
And I want a QB in round 1. So don’t think they I’m all in on WR.
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In comment 16470944 Rjanyg said:
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You should draft the safest, blue chip player and that may be Odunze.
Every team has a different board. Every team has different priorities.
Every team falls in love with players and as you know from the top 30 visits, we tend to draft quite a few from that list.
WR is a smart move if you have a deep conviction on the player and the person. Culture matters as does elite talent.
Imagine if OBJ wasn't a diva WR and still had all that talent. He was drafted at pick 12. Odunze is a high quality player, person, teammate. Off the charts work ethic.
A very clean player. If we select a WR at 6 I hope it is him.
Everyone keeps bringing up OBJ, but we had Eli Manning ballin then. We have Lock and DJ now.
Plus, the draft is more like poker than a crapshoot. Good GMs get good players in the top 100 like the 49ers and Rams and others.
I don’t care who is throwing the ball in this discussion. If you are asking if drafting a solid blue chip WR with high character is worth the 6th pick I say yes if you have done the work and have a conviction.
Look, NFL teams spend shit loads of money scouting players and the process. Just look at the new video on the Giants high tech draft room. You don’t want to whiff on your first round pick. If Odunze is the pick or MHJ possibly, that wouldn’t be a wasted pick. We all know what a viable number 1 WR will do for an offense. We have other good young WR that would get open just by the presence of a top WR.
Odunze, Hyatt, Robinson, Slayton, Bellinger and Waller, assuming he plays, is a solid group.
The offensive line has a much better chance of being improved with the 5 linemen they have been signed along with the group we have.
Singletary is a solid back. I can see them drafting another back on day 2.
Jones, Lock and DeVito won’t scare anybody, I get it, but saying a great WR prospect won’t improve the offense along with an improved OL is just a massive unknown.
And I want a QB in round 1. So don’t think they I’m all in on WR.
I never said it wouldn't improve the offense. I'm just questioning if a trade down would he wiser if we can't get a QB via pick 6.
I didn't know there was a podcast. I'll have to look for it.
I'm hopeful the offensive line can improve with Neal and JMS and the 2 free agents and new line coach.
I'd argue it's much better to get the QB then work on skill positions. The QB is the engine of the offense, OL is the transmission, and skill position players are the stereo and aftermarket stuff.
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Is like getting a kick ass stereo for your car before fixing the engine
I'd argue it's much better to get the QB then work on skill positions. The QB is the engine of the offense, OL is the transmission, and skill position players are the stereo and aftermarket stuff.
Not all skill positions are created equal. Having the WR1 who can allow others to face single coverage and prevent 7 and 8 man boxes goes a long way. Without spreading the field, our RB’s are always facing more in the box than blockers.
The giants should not and will not trade down just for the sake of trading down. You do not get the value, just as you don't take a quarterback just because you have to take one.
If you don't have your quarterback available and you don't have a very good offer from another team to trade down, then you take the best player on your board.
As it looks right now it is most likely Rome or Nabers. Take the best player. The talk last year was that the Giants were looking at the wide receivers with their 1st round pick. They went off the board and they got banks. Nothing wrong with taking a wide receiver this year with their 1st round pick. It fills a need and the value is there.
The giants should not and will not trade down just for the sake of trading down. You do not get the value, just as you don't take a quarterback just because you have to take one.
If you don't have your quarterback available and you don't have a very good offer from another team to trade down, then you take the best player on your board.
As it looks right now it is most likely Rome or Nabers. Take the best player. The talk last year was that the Giants were looking at the wide receivers with their 1st round pick. They went off the board and they got banks. Nothing wrong with taking a wide receiver this year with their 1st round pick. It fills a need and the value is there.
If these WRs are seen by the NFL as elite as BBI sees them, someone will be willing to trade up for one. Plus, Joe Alt and other tackles.
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Is like getting a kick ass stereo for your car before fixing the engine
I'd argue it's much better to get the QB then work on skill positions. The QB is the engine of the offense, OL is the transmission, and skill position players are the stereo and aftermarket stuff.
I actually meant to say getting the WR now... not QB
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It has been said every year, but the fact of the matter is you have to have a team willing to trade up and be willing to pay that price. Most times you can get that value if there is a quarterback teams are vying for. I don't see that being the case.
The giants should not and will not trade down just for the sake of trading down. You do not get the value, just as you don't take a quarterback just because you have to take one.
If you don't have your quarterback available and you don't have a very good offer from another team to trade down, then you take the best player on your board.
As it looks right now it is most likely Rome or Nabers. Take the best player. The talk last year was that the Giants were looking at the wide receivers with their 1st round pick. They went off the board and they got banks. Nothing wrong with taking a wide receiver this year with their 1st round pick. It fills a need and the value is there.
If these WRs are seen by the NFL as elite as BBI sees them, someone will be willing to trade up for one. Plus, Joe Alt and other tackles.
It's not about seeing them as elite or not. The only position in regards to the draft that you can premium value to trade up is quarterback. You do not see that for any other positions, because a quarterback is that valuable.
As far as offensive tackles go, there isn't a demand to trade up. For instance, Sy has 5 offensive tackles ranked close together at the top. A team may view one of the offensive tackles above the rest, but they will like more than one. More than likely all 5 would still be on the board at 6. Teams will wait and see who might drop.
But anything multiplied by zero is still zero, and right now our QB room is exactly that
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In comment 16471232 TrueBlue56 said:
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It has been said every year, but the fact of the matter is you have to have a team willing to trade up and be willing to pay that price. Most times you can get that value if there is a quarterback teams are vying for. I don't see that being the case.
The giants should not and will not trade down just for the sake of trading down. You do not get the value, just as you don't take a quarterback just because you have to take one.
If you don't have your quarterback available and you don't have a very good offer from another team to trade down, then you take the best player on your board.
As it looks right now it is most likely Rome or Nabers. Take the best player. The talk last year was that the Giants were looking at the wide receivers with their 1st round pick. They went off the board and they got banks. Nothing wrong with taking a wide receiver this year with their 1st round pick. It fills a need and the value is there.
If these WRs are seen by the NFL as elite as BBI sees them, someone will be willing to trade up for one. Plus, Joe Alt and other tackles.
It's not about seeing them as elite or not. The only position in regards to the draft that you can premium value to trade up is quarterback. You do not see that for any other positions, because a quarterback is that valuable.
As far as offensive tackles go, there isn't a demand to trade up. For instance, Sy has 5 offensive tackles ranked close together at the top. A team may view one of the offensive tackles above the rest, but they will like more than one. More than likely all 5 would still be on the board at 6. Teams will wait and see who might drop.
If the trade down offers aren't there, then so be it, I still think a team would trade a good amount for Alt or Nabers or Odunze. Or if JJM is there and we don't want him.
And worst of all, in his seventh, eighth, and ninth years, when an offensive lineman or tight end is still near peak performance helping the run and the pass, Beckham played in but seven, six and eight games.
George Young, in building the Giants, did not use a premium pick on a wide receiver until 1985 when he picked Stacey Robinson second. And two years later after the Giants won their first Super Bowl, and were pretty well set in the running game and the defense, did he use a first and a third to draft Ingram and Baker.
We assume it isn't weird for the Cardinals and Chargers, two teams with a desperate need for WRs, to pass on the top three. But somehow it would be for the Giants.
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I'm going to talk about this on the podcast tomorrow.
We assume it isn't weird for the Cardinals and Chargers, two teams with a desperate need for WRs, to pass on the top three. But somehow it would be for the Giants.
take the stud WR he makes your whole offense more effective. Giants have shored up the OL I would take A WR at one trade up and take a Nix or penix. They may even take a 2nd WR later.
If Schoen has some intel Penix will last into the end of rd1, then I'd be thrilled with Odunze at 6 and Penix later.