WRs, RBs and Defensive prospects.
Charles Davis - Mara even though said he would approve a QB may not like the lack of wins that might come with using 6th pick on a rookie QB.
Charles Davis - Sees the top 3 QBs (With Williams going 1) Daniels, Maye see plenty of flashes on tape. JJ McCarthy did we see enough on tape, he thinks so similar to CJ Stroud and his tape. Comes down to the scouts. A lot of chatter with McCarthy viewed even as high as 2.
Charles Davis - Harrison is a clear #1, Nabers plays with a competitive chip on his shoulder. Rome Odunze is close to Nabers
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I would tend to agree. Though I do think Schoen has inquired about moving up. The price is too high, obviously. Personally, I would do it for Maye, and only at #5.
I think all the chatter about the Giants moving up is Mara force-feeding his stooges this information, so when we do draft WR1 at #6, the excuse, "But we tried our darndest, no one would cooperate," can be used. And like I said previously, we can figure out the stooges, from the true asshats, the day after the draft, when we tally up all the dopes who said they were hearing 'chatter' about us trading up.
But his claims in his past few podcasts that "taking a quarterback in the first round has nothing to do with Daniel Jones" is just laughable.
I wish someone could ask him how long he would keep the top 10 selection on the bench. 2 years? 3 years?
It’s such a ridiculous statement. But is also shows you the atmosphere in the building. We can talk about other QBs, but Jones is our guy.
Even if Schmeelk hasn't been told explicity, he should be smart enough not to telegraph any direct expectations for the Giants at QB or anywhere else that matters.
And I listen a lot to Schmeelk, and agree that he really does his homework and knows his stuff. He also clearly states that he doesn't know anything about what the Giants are thinking and that he's only giving his own opinion, but c'mon, he has to also understand that he can't give an opinion that says the Giants are desperate to move on from DJ.
Yet that's the only opinion that some want to hear expressed from the Giants.
I really do think a lot of these guys mix their personal feelings about Jones to their feelings about him as a QB.
Something to keep in mind.
I get QB is the most important player on the team, but this doesn't really make sense if you hire a GM that you trust. Because basically you're saying I trust you to pick WR's CB's and DE's in the first round but QB's, no, you need to come for me for that.
How does that make sense? If anything it probably influences a GM not to take a QB so he doesn't have to get some asshole owner to agree.
And then the GM doesn't go with the QB and the team stagnates (or worse) and you fire the GM and replace them with another one with the same guidelines in place. Hitting on a QB is hard, it's harder with these stipulations IMO.
I really do think a lot of these guys mix their personal feelings about Jones to their feelings about him as a QB.
I think it's more likely a case of people always simplifying complex problems and then adapting new evidence to fit an old narrative. As in:
DJ has talent, I believe in him leads to promising expectations. When the corresponding results fail to materialize the excuses are made so they don't have to reject their original opinion.
I think its past time the ownership steps back and allows football people to make the decisions.
Their "blessings" led to the current debacle.
John Mara has ALWAYS let the GMs do their job. Where does this $hit come from....
Beyond this coming year, the Jones contract gets even more expensive. My question is about Daboll. He is regarded as a QB guru given how Josh Allen turned out. Did he have success with any other QB?
Beyond this coming year, the Jones contract gets even more expensive. My question is about Daboll. He is regarded as a QB guru given how Josh Allen turned out. Did he have success with any other QB?
You mean his sixth prove it year?
Heck, Harris has apparently sat in on every meeting with potential QBs the Commanders might pick.
There's just nothing unusual or concerning about it.
There's been nothing to indicate that Mara has the final say or would reject the decision of our GM, like Snyder did with Haskins or Tepper did with Stroud.
That's where thhe distinction lies.
Heck, Harris has apparently sat in on every meeting with potential QBs the Commanders might pick.
There's just nothing unusual or concerning about it.
There's been nothing to indicate that Mara has the final say or would reject the decision of our GM, like Snyder did with Haskins or Tepper did with Stroud.
That's where thhe distinction lies.
Not sure about that. The odd decision to give Jones a 4-year deal rather than Franchise him and let Barkley walk suggests that Mara may have weighed in on the face of the franchise.
Beyond this coming year, the Jones contract gets even more expensive. My question is about Daboll. He is regarded as a QB guru given how Josh Allen turned out. Did he have success with any other QB?
He helped with Tua and Jalen Hurts in 2017 at alabama before going to the Bills.
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is going to voice an opinion related to picking a first round QB. There is just a lot more at stake with that type of pick.
Heck, Harris has apparently sat in on every meeting with potential QBs the Commanders might pick.
There's just nothing unusual or concerning about it.
There's been nothing to indicate that Mara has the final say or would reject the decision of our GM, like Snyder did with Haskins or Tepper did with Stroud.
That's where thhe distinction lies.
Not sure about that. The odd decision to give Jones a 4-year deal rather than Franchise him and let Barkley walk suggests that Mara may have weighed in on the face of the franchise.
I believe Mara even made comments about not wanting to let him test free agency, not wanting to tag him and wanting to sign him long term.
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is going to voice an opinion related to picking a first round QB. There is just a lot more at stake with that type of pick.
Heck, Harris has apparently sat in on every meeting with potential QBs the Commanders might pick.
There's just nothing unusual or concerning about it.
There's been nothing to indicate that Mara has the final say or would reject the decision of our GM, like Snyder did with Haskins or Tepper did with Stroud.
That's where thhe distinction lies.
Not sure about that. The odd decision to give Jones a 4-year deal rather than Franchise him and let Barkley walk suggests that Mara may have weighed in on the face of the franchise.
"May" have. That is the operative word. We have no idea whether and to what extent Mara was involved in that. I could easily make the case that it was was Schoen/Daboll based on (1) turning down DJ's option; (2) the level of committment in the contract; (3) the fact that the Giants were somewhat hemmed in after the success of 2022; and (4) the statements by Daboll and his interactions with DJ that certainly seemed to indicate that Daboll thought highly of DJ.
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Schmeelk is superb. Top notch.
But his claims in his past few podcasts that "taking a quarterback in the first round has nothing to do with Daniel Jones" is just laughable.
I wish someone could ask him how long he would keep the top 10 selection on the bench. 2 years? 3 years?
It’s such a ridiculous statement. But is also shows you the atmosphere in the building. We can talk about other QBs, but Jones is our guy.
What do you expect him to say? What if the Giants don’t select a QB this year? He does work for the Giants so he’s not going to come out before the draft and say DJ is absolutely done here when he’s definitely going to be on the team this year. He might think something different off the record, but he’s not going to say it publicly. Nobody in the organization will either.
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is going to voice an opinion related to picking a first round QB. There is just a lot more at stake with that type of pick.
Heck, Harris has apparently sat in on every meeting with potential QBs the Commanders might pick.
There's just nothing unusual or concerning about it.
There's been nothing to indicate that Mara has the final say or would reject the decision of our GM, like Snyder did with Haskins or Tepper did with Stroud.
That's where thhe distinction lies.
Not sure about that. The odd decision to give Jones a 4-year deal rather than Franchise him and let Barkley walk suggests that Mara may have weighed in on the face of the franchise.
"May" have. That is the operative word. We have no idea whether and to what extent Mara was involved in that. I could easily make the case that it was was Schoen/Daboll based on (1) turning down DJ's option; (2) the level of committment in the contract; (3) the fact that the Giants were somewhat hemmed in after the success of 2022; and (4) the statements by Daboll and his interactions with DJ that certainly seemed to indicate that Daboll thought highly of DJ.
Also, franchising DJ would have completely hamstrung the Giants this year financially. By signing DJ to the contract they did, it gave them financial flexibility for 2023.
Now, obviously, it all blew up in their faces, and a reset needs to occur.
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a number of pundits have come out recently and said that any QB taken in the first round has to have the blessing of the owner of any football team, and specifically they have said John Mara.
Something to keep in mind.
Been saying it for years. "Franchise QB" is a Mara call, and until proven otherwise there's is no reason to think they won't look for the next Conerly/Simms/Eli. These guys look backwards to inform the future.
Huh? I sure as shit hope the next QB they get is a hell of a lot better than Simms and Eli.
Yes they both have two Super Bowls, thank you. However they were basically .500 QBs except for those 4 years.
No offense, but from reading your posts other than the Giants drafting a QB in the first rd, no matter what every single person in the organization and media having said several times Mara won’t get in the way you’ll never believe it.
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is going to voice an opinion related to picking a first round QB. There is just a lot more at stake with that type of pick.
Heck, Harris has apparently sat in on every meeting with potential QBs the Commanders might pick.
There's just nothing unusual or concerning about it.
There's been nothing to indicate that Mara has the final say or would reject the decision of our GM, like Snyder did with Haskins or Tepper did with Stroud.
That's where thhe distinction lies.
Not sure about that. The odd decision to give Jones a 4-year deal rather than Franchise him and let Barkley walk suggests that Mara may have weighed in on the face of the franchise.
"May" have. That is the operative word. We have no idea whether and to what extent Mara was involved in that. I could easily make the case that it was was Schoen/Daboll based on (1) turning down DJ's option; (2) the level of committment in the contract; (3) the fact that the Giants were somewhat hemmed in after the success of 2022; and (4) the statements by Daboll and his interactions with DJ that certainly seemed to indicate that Daboll thought highly of DJ.
What about Mara's comments about wanting to sign him long term and not wanting to franchise tag or let him test FA? Mara made these comments last year I believe it was. Just like he made comments about not wanting to give up by trading Saquon and wanting to sign Saquon sign long term. Mara speaks like he is strongly influencing personnel decisions from time to time. How would you explain that?
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Even stooges like Ralph V have implied Mara won't get in the way if Joe & Dabs want to take a QB. And I really want to believe that, but a part of me doesn't, considering John's public fawning over Jones time & time again. Even if that aforementioned Ralph V article, Mara apparently is the biggest Jones cheerleader in the building.
No offense, but from reading your posts other than the Giants drafting a QB in the first rd, no matter what every single person in the organization and media having said several times Mara won’t get in the way you’ll never believe it.
I hope you’re right.
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is going to voice an opinion related to picking a first round QB. There is just a lot more at stake with that type of pick.
Heck, Harris has apparently sat in on every meeting with potential QBs the Commanders might pick.
There's just nothing unusual or concerning about it.
There's been nothing to indicate that Mara has the final say or would reject the decision of our GM, like Snyder did with Haskins or Tepper did with Stroud.
That's where thhe distinction lies.
Not sure about that. The odd decision to give Jones a 4-year deal rather than Franchise him and let Barkley walk suggests that Mara may have weighed in on the face of the franchise.
"May" have. That is the operative word. We have no idea whether and to what extent Mara was involved in that. I could easily make the case that it was was Schoen/Daboll based on (1) turning down DJ's option; (2) the level of committment in the contract; (3) the fact that the Giants were somewhat hemmed in after the success of 2022; and (4) the statements by Daboll and his interactions with DJ that certainly seemed to indicate that Daboll thought highly of DJ.
Also, franchising DJ would have completely hamstrung the Giants this year financially. By signing DJ to the contract they did, it gave them financial flexibility for 2023.
Now, obviously, it all blew up in their faces, and a reset needs to occur.
That's not true and Christian has already broken this down. We could have extended some guys and had the same amount of cap space last offseason. And avoided being hamstrung for 3 years by the DJ contract.
When we’re all the times when Mara “fawned” over Daniel Jones?
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Even stooges like Ralph V have implied Mara won't get in the way if Joe & Dabs want to take a QB. And I really want to believe that, but a part of me doesn't, considering John's public fawning over Jones time & time again. Even if that aforementioned Ralph V article, Mara apparently is the biggest Jones cheerleader in the building.
When we’re all the times when Mara “fawned” over Daniel Jones?
Just about everytime he has spoken publicly in recent years? Have you missed that?
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a number of pundits have come out recently and said that any QB taken in the first round has to have the blessing of the owner of any football team, and specifically they have said John Mara.
Something to keep in mind.
Been saying it for years. "Franchise QB" is a Mara call, and until proven otherwise there's is no reason to think they won't look for the next Conerly/Simms/Eli. These guys look backwards to inform the future.
Huh? I sure as shit hope the next QB they get is a hell of a lot better than Simms and Eli.
Yes they both have two Super Bowls, thank you. However they were basically .500 QBs except for those 4 years.
I agree. And what's funny is that the QB that most resembles Simms and Eli is, to me, Penix. But I have little reason to believe the Maras see it that way.
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is going to voice an opinion related to picking a first round QB. There is just a lot more at stake with that type of pick.
Heck, Harris has apparently sat in on every meeting with potential QBs the Commanders might pick.
There's just nothing unusual or concerning about it.
There's been nothing to indicate that Mara has the final say or would reject the decision of our GM, like Snyder did with Haskins or Tepper did with Stroud.
That's where thhe distinction lies.
Not sure about that. The odd decision to give Jones a 4-year deal rather than Franchise him and let Barkley walk suggests that Mara may have weighed in on the face of the franchise.
"May" have. That is the operative word. We have no idea whether and to what extent Mara was involved in that. I could easily make the case that it was was Schoen/Daboll based on (1) turning down DJ's option; (2) the level of committment in the contract; (3) the fact that the Giants were somewhat hemmed in after the success of 2022; and (4) the statements by Daboll and his interactions with DJ that certainly seemed to indicate that Daboll thought highly of DJ.
Also, franchising DJ would have completely hamstrung the Giants this year financially. By signing DJ to the contract they did, it gave them financial flexibility for 2023.
Now, obviously, it all blew up in their faces, and a reset needs to occur.
That's not true and Christian has already broken this down. We could have extended some guys and had the same amount of cap space last offseason. And avoided being hamstrung for 3 years by the DJ contract.
Extending contracts creates long term financial issues as well.
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Even stooges like Ralph V have implied Mara won't get in the way if Joe & Dabs want to take a QB. And I really want to believe that, but a part of me doesn't, considering John's public fawning over Jones time & time again. Even if that aforementioned Ralph V article, Mara apparently is the biggest Jones cheerleader in the building.
When we’re all the times when Mara “fawned” over Daniel Jones?
This is sarcasm right?
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is going to voice an opinion related to picking a first round QB. There is just a lot more at stake with that type of pick.
Heck, Harris has apparently sat in on every meeting with potential QBs the Commanders might pick.
There's just nothing unusual or concerning about it.
There's been nothing to indicate that Mara has the final say or would reject the decision of our GM, like Snyder did with Haskins or Tepper did with Stroud.
That's where thhe distinction lies.
Not sure about that. The odd decision to give Jones a 4-year deal rather than Franchise him and let Barkley walk suggests that Mara may have weighed in on the face of the franchise.
So Eric, pretty much every single person inside the organization including Mara and Joe Schoen, as well as media who has good connections inside the organization say that if Joe Schoen has a conviction on a player to draft or sign as a FA, he won’t get in the way (outside of a player who has red flags that might tarnish the organization obviously) you still don’t believe it? The only people that seem to think Mara meddles in everything are people on BBI and media and fanboys on social media who literally have no inside information or actual proof it’s occurred.
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the NFL stepped in and installed George Young because the Mara's f'ed up the franchise before.
I think its past time the ownership steps back and allows football people to make the decisions.
Their "blessings" led to the current debacle.
John Mara has ALWAYS let the GMs do their job. Where does this $hit come from....
Welcome to BBI John...
John's own statements contradict your ridiculous claim. The entire Mara family needs to butt out and let actual football people make the decisions.
I’m sure he gives opinion. Wouldn’t you if you owned the Giants? I know for damn sure if I owned the Giants I’d give my opinion on everything. But I’d also trust the people I gave powers to to run the team since I’m not a scout or GM. So I’m not naive to think he sits back with his mouth shut, but I don’t think he tries to play GM like Jerry Jones does. I never heard a former coach or GM of the Giants ever complain that Mara forced them to do something they didn’t want to do.
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is going to voice an opinion related to picking a first round QB. There is just a lot more at stake with that type of pick.
Heck, Harris has apparently sat in on every meeting with potential QBs the Commanders might pick.
There's just nothing unusual or concerning about it.
There's been nothing to indicate that Mara has the final say or would reject the decision of our GM, like Snyder did with Haskins or Tepper did with Stroud.
That's where thhe distinction lies.
Not sure about that. The odd decision to give Jones a 4-year deal rather than Franchise him and let Barkley walk suggests that Mara may have weighed in on the face of the franchise.
"May" have. That is the operative word. We have no idea whether and to what extent Mara was involved in that. I could easily make the case that it was was Schoen/Daboll based on (1) turning down DJ's option; (2) the level of committment in the contract; (3) the fact that the Giants were somewhat hemmed in after the success of 2022; and (4) the statements by Daboll and his interactions with DJ that certainly seemed to indicate that Daboll thought highly of DJ.
Also, franchising DJ would have completely hamstrung the Giants this year financially. By signing DJ to the contract they did, it gave them financial flexibility for 2023.
Now, obviously, it all blew up in their faces, and a reset needs to occur.
That's not true and Christian has already broken this down. We could have extended some guys and had the same amount of cap space last offseason. And avoided being hamstrung for 3 years by the DJ contract.
Extending contracts creates long term financial issues as well.
Not when they're core players. That's how the Eagles operate. We could have had the same cap space and tagged DJ with no long term issues. Mara wanted him signed long term though, he said it himself.
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I get what you’re saying and you very well could be right. But it wouldn’t shock me at all if John slyly let his thoughts on certain players and topics to be known, which subconsciously influences Joe. Again, pure speculation on my part, but the Jones contract and not trading Barkley before the deadline had me think John might have said a couple of things.
I’m sure he gives opinion. Wouldn’t you if you owned the Giants? I know for damn sure if I owned the Giants I’d give my opinion on everything. But I’d also trust the people I gave powers to to run the team since I’m not a scout or GM. So I’m not naive to think he sits back with his mouth shut, but I don’t think he tries to play GM like Jerry Jones does. I never heard a former coach or GM of the Giants ever complain that Mara forced them to do something they didn’t want to do.
Fair counterpoint. & I agree...I don't think he fancies himself like Jerruh. But his opinions carry a ton of weight, even if he does throw up the 'Well, @ the end of the day, its Joe & Dabs' call' comments. He signs their paychecks.
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I get what you’re saying and you very well could be right. But it wouldn’t shock me at all if John slyly let his thoughts on certain players and topics to be known, which subconsciously influences Joe. Again, pure speculation on my part, but the Jones contract and not trading Barkley before the deadline had me think John might have said a couple of things.
I’m sure he gives opinion. Wouldn’t you if you owned the Giants? I know for damn sure if I owned the Giants I’d give my opinion on everything. But I’d also trust the people I gave powers to to run the team since I’m not a scout or GM. So I’m not naive to think he sits back with his mouth shut, but I don’t think he tries to play GM like Jerry Jones does. I never heard a former coach or GM of the Giants ever complain that Mara forced them to do something they didn’t want to do.
Fair counterpoint. & I agree...I don't think he fancies himself like Jerruh. But his opinions carry a ton of weight, even if he does throw up the 'Well, @ the end of the day, its Joe & Dabs' call' comments. He signs their paychecks.
I just see it from a bunch of posters here and people on twitter/X that reply to beat writers always blaming everything on Mara meddling when literally everyone who would know says otherwise. It’s baffling.
We all know there’s enough blame to go around the entire organization for quite some time. I’ll blame Mara for sticking with Gettleman and having Accorsi have input when he’s been out of the league for over a decade. That I’ll blame him for. But I give him credit for finally going outside the organization for the first time since George Young. But I do believe he doesn’t meddle or force his hand
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Even stooges like Ralph V have implied Mara won't get in the way if Joe & Dabs want to take a QB. And I really want to believe that, but a part of me doesn't, considering John's public fawning over Jones time & time again. Even if that aforementioned Ralph V article, Mara apparently is the biggest Jones cheerleader in the building.
When we’re all the times when Mara “fawned” over Daniel Jones?
?? Mara and his entourage in the building have treated Daniel like a long lost son for 5 years. They put up the seed money for the original Daniel Jones Fan Club and have catered it for years. You don’t get those facts at the meetings?
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Even stooges like Ralph V have implied Mara won't get in the way if Joe & Dabs want to take a QB. And I really want to believe that, but a part of me doesn't, considering John's public fawning over Jones time & time again. Even if that aforementioned Ralph V article, Mara apparently is the biggest Jones cheerleader in the building.
When we’re all the times when Mara “fawned” over Daniel Jones?
?? Mara and his entourage in the building have treated Daniel like a long lost son for 5 years. They put up the seed money for the original Daniel Jones Fan Club and have catered it for years. You don’t get those facts at the meetings?
Lol
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Even stooges like Ralph V have implied Mara won't get in the way if Joe & Dabs want to take a QB. And I really want to believe that, but a part of me doesn't, considering John's public fawning over Jones time & time again. Even if that aforementioned Ralph V article, Mara apparently is the biggest Jones cheerleader in the building.
When we’re all the times when Mara “fawned” over Daniel Jones?
This is sarcasm right?
So nothing then?
'We've done everything possible to screw up this kid since he's been here.'
"“I emphasized to him how much we wanted him here, wanted him to be a Giant."
“I know a lot of you killed Daniel for his performance this year, but we had the perfect storm. Everything that could have gone wrong went wrong. Guys got hurt. The wrong guys got hurt. Let’s face it: we couldn't block anybody for a while, and Daniel was getting hit all the time."
“I still have every confidence in the world in Daniel," he said. Let's put a better team around him. Hopefully, he’ll get healthy, and I think the real Daniel Jones is the one who played in 2022, particularly down the stretch in the playoffs.”
Mara is the fucking co-president-along with Jack Stroud-of the DJFC. He's gaga for Jones in ways I find insanely weird. I get that Jones is probably a nice kid & hard worker, but Good Lord...this is year six. He's not that fucking good.
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a number of pundits have come out recently and said that any QB taken in the first round has to have the blessing of the owner of any football team, and specifically they have said John Mara.
Something to keep in mind.
Been saying it for years. "Franchise QB" is a Mara call, and until proven otherwise theirs is no reason to think they won't look for the next Conerly/Simms/Eli. These guys look backwards to inform the future.
Why is looking for the next Connerly/Simms/Eli a bad thing per se? Why wouldn’t anyone want another good QB in the mold of those guys?
Or is that just another one of your veiled Mara is a racist comments?
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Schmeelk is superb. Top notch.
But his claims in his past few podcasts that "taking a quarterback in the first round has nothing to do with Daniel Jones" is just laughable.
I wish someone could ask him how long he would keep the top 10 selection on the bench. 2 years? 3 years?
It’s such a ridiculous statement. But is also shows you the atmosphere in the building. We can talk about other QBs, but Jones is our guy.
What do you expect him to say? What if the Giants don’t select a QB this year? He does work for the Giants so he’s not going to come out before the draft and say DJ is absolutely done here when he’s definitely going to be on the team this year. He might think something different off the record, but he’s not going to say it publicly. Nobody in the organization will either.
I expect him to not qualify it. Why would he have to say Jones is done? Just say the Giants may take a QB in the first without the qualification.
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a number of pundits have come out recently and said that any QB taken in the first round has to have the blessing of the owner of any football team, and specifically they have said John Mara.
Something to keep in mind.
Been saying it for years. "Franchise QB" is a Mara call, and until proven otherwise theirs is no reason to think they won't look for the next Conerly/Simms/Eli. These guys look backwards to inform the future.
Why is looking for the next Connerly/Simms/Eli a bad thing per se? Why wouldn’t anyone want another good QB in the mold of those guys?
Or is that just another one of your veiled Mara is a racist comments?
It's a bad thing because it could prejudice them towards a Daniel Jones or away from Lamar Jackson.
The Giants have been in existence 99 years. The only games that have not been started by a tall white guy were Geno Smith (1 game after which everyone involved in that decision was fired) and Tyrod Taylor last year because Jones got hurt. 6 games out of 1,404 in 99 years. In none of those 6 games was the starter the anointed franchise QB.
I don't know if the Maras are racist or not but after that big a sample size I'm confident they have a type, and I'm hoping like hell that Drake Maye and JJ McCarthy are good players.
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a number of pundits have come out recently and said that any QB taken in the first round has to have the blessing of the owner of any football team, and specifically they have said John Mara.
Something to keep in mind.
Been saying it for years. "Franchise QB" is a Mara call, and until proven otherwise theirs is no reason to think they won't look for the next Conerly/Simms/Eli. These guys look backwards to inform the future.
Why is looking for the next Connerly/Simms/Eli a bad thing per se? Why wouldn’t anyone want another good QB in the mold of those guys?
Or is that just another one of your veiled Mara is a racist comments?
It's a bad thing because it could prejudice them towards a Daniel Jones or away from Lamar Jackson.
The Giants have been in existence 99 years. The only games that have not been started by a tall white guy were Geno Smith (1 game after which everyone involved in that decision was fired) and Tyrod Taylor last year because Jones got hurt. 6 games out of 1,404 in 99 years. In none of those 6 games was the starter the anointed franchise QB.
I don't know if the Maras are racist or not but after that big a sample size I'm confident they have a type, and I'm hoping like hell that Drake Maye and JJ McCarthy are good players.
Wow….you really showed your true colors
It’s sad that people with your twisted mindset exist
Something to keep in mind.
It's interesting to me that when "the pundits" say something Giants fans like, they use them to support their narrative. When "the pundits" support Daniel Jones or some other things fans don't like, they're "idiots."
Despite everyone in the media and in the building saying Mara doesn't get in the way of JS's decisions, this board continues to act like it knows otherwise. Such BS.... amazing.
You might want to try another Giants site. There are a bunch of them out there.
Even if Mara isn't interfering at all, he does himself no favors by the stuff he says to the media. The meddling narrative stems directly because he can't give a generic non-answer
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the NFL stepped in and installed George Young because the Mara's f'ed up the franchise before.
I think its past time the ownership steps back and allows football people to make the decisions.
Their "blessings" led to the current debacle.
John Mara has ALWAYS let the GMs do their job. Where does this $hit come from....
Agree….he’s not a professional scout and I’m pretty damn sure he’s fully relying on his GM, HC and Scouts to make a well-informed decision. He’s always in the War Room, but he won’t be the one to say Yea or Nay. I just don’t think the organization is run that way. It’s not the Dallas Cowboys where Jerry Jones has to have his say.
You might want to try another Giants site. There are a bunch of them out there.
Lol, such a new Yorker you are Eric. Love it