Who is the surprise first round pick at 6?

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I would venture Bowers or Alt, with the former making Manny in CA lose his shit.

In the draft. A position of need and a potential pro bowl CB.

I'll go with your highest rated OT.

may wind up being a great player, but if the Giants take him at 6 Schoen likely isn't making the top 5 pick next year, the new GM is.

My surprise pick at 6 is Joe Alt.

Arnold

Which of these guys makes more sense as a RT?

Love Bowers, but I can't imagine they would pick Bowers at six after finally moving on from an over drafted running back....

Outside of Terps, no one mentions him at 6?

In fact, the Falcons may be the only team going defense in the Top 10.

but he hasn't been a top 30 visit, which has been a tell.

Regardless, if we do go OL, which works for me if no QB, I would love Taliese Fuaga...

Ducks and runs for cover 😆

and Penix.
I imagine it'll be the same reaction I had when Daniel Jones was picked. hahaha

Corner out of Toledo. Apparently they were high on Sauce two years ago, and Mitchell has similar size/speed profile.

then DE Turner or T Alt

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and Penix. I imagine it'll be the same reaction I had when Daniel Jones was picked. hahaha

Penix is much better than Jones.

Nix and Rattler as well IMO.

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Corner out of Toledo. Apparently they were high on Sauce two years ago, and Mitchell has similar size/speed profile.

I was thinking Quinyon too. Penix would be a bigger surprise to me at 6 than any of the players mentioned so far though.

What about Brian Thomas?

All-Pro potential at OT or OG

Has Future ALL PRO stamped all-over him.

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All-Pro potential at OT or OG

I love the idea of Fuaga after a trade down with Chicago. And if we took him at 6 then so be it, I agree he has stud written all over him.

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Has Future ALL PRO stamped all-over him.

You might be right. I knew sy’s take would make you happy, Haha.

I think the answer would have to be Alt or Bowers.

I suppose they could go Edge but I’d doubt it after the Burns move.

Gonna be ironic as all get out if the pick that finally..finally...MFing FINALLY solidifies the OL is a guy, who make no mistake, will be booed by Giants fans expecting a QB or WR.

for Herbert so he can draft JJM.....lol

An Alt selection frees up Neal to be included in a trade package to come back into the first round.

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An Alt selection frees up Neal to be included in a trade package to come back into the first round.

At this point….Neal has value on the open market?

Really?

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Corner out of Toledo. Apparently they were high on Sauce two years ago, and Mitchell has similar size/speed profile.

He was my second choice. Kid has the skills and the mindset to be a high level shut down corner.

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In comment 16471223 j_rud said: Quote: An Alt selection frees up Neal to be included in a trade package to come back into the first round. At this point….Neal has value on the open market? Really?

What do you think his value is?

Neal has trade value?

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In comment 16471223 j_rud said: Quote: An Alt selection frees up Neal to be included in a trade package to come back into the first round. At this point….Neal has value on the open market? Really?

As part of a package, sure.

The thing that cracks me up is...we deal Neal to whoever. Said team inserts him @ guard & he becomes a stud for the next decade @ that position. It'd be so Giants like, Haha.

They will love Neal protecting his blindside. Sub 100 IQ crew.

Darkhorse: Kool Aid Mckinstry.

Giants want either QB or playmaker at the top of the draft. The wideouts conspicuously meet that criteria. No RB fits here, but Bowers does.
So it wouldn’t surprise me if Bowers is the surprise pick.

All the other reasonable names have been mentioned. But the one guy who I have a gut feeling they're higher on than any of us realize....Nate Wiggins.

Bowers.

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They will love Neal protecting his blindside. Sub 100 IQ crew. Darkhorse: Kool Aid Mckinstry.

One guy asked if he counts and you're busting his balls lol. Who exactly are these zealots?

Manny sits in CA smiling

Alt.

as both adding a dynamic pass catching weapon that teams have to gameplan against, as well as a stud in-line blocker to add to our league-worst blocking, all wrapped up in one pick.

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In comment 16471225 Mbavaro said: Quote: In comment 16471223 j_rud said: Quote: An Alt selection frees up Neal to be included in a trade package to come back into the first round. At this point….Neal has value on the open market? Really? What do you think his value is?

Mbavaro, what do you think his value is in terms of a pick or whatever? Give an opinion versus your normal disdain posts to anyone that questions the front office or coaches.

We’re waiting

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In comment 16471234 knowledgetimmons said: Quote: They will love Neal protecting his blindside. Sub 100 IQ crew. Darkhorse: Kool Aid Mckinstry. One guy asked if he counts and you're busting his balls lol. Who exactly are these zealots?

They’re around Homie, pay attention.

and proof this franchise is continuing to go in the wrong direction. Done give two fucks what his scouting report says.

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They will love Neal protecting his blindside. Sub 100 IQ crew. Darkhorse: Kool Aid Mckinstry.

Penix at 6 would surprise me more than any other pick for many reasons. And no I'm not a Penix zealot lol

Trey Benson would make EVERYONE lose their minds...

I have a sub 100 IQ.

2 years after taking a RT at 7, would be difficult to swallow. I mean if it fixes the line so be it. But the opportunity cost would be significant.

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An Alt selection frees up Neal to be included in a trade package to come back into the first round.

Neal would go to guard.

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I have a sub 100 IQ.

I mean I'm not a zealot for any prospect but same, he's got an incredible arm.

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They will love Neal protecting his blindside. Sub 100 IQ crew. Darkhorse: Kool Aid Mckinstry.

picking a QB based on who the OT is makes you a genius ?? Hmmmm....ok.....

if Maye were available so I'll say him.

Interesting the Athletic mentioned Bowers in one of their recent NYG fit articles.

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if Maye were available so I'll say him.

Should have read it through.:)

Alt.

Bowers

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In comment 16471223 j_rud said: Quote: An Alt selection frees up Neal to be included in a trade package to come back into the first round. Neal would go to guard.

Well sure, most likely. But it's a speculating thread so Ima be speculating.

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In comment 16471229 ThomasG said: Quote: In comment 16471225 Mbavaro said: Quote: In comment 16471223 j_rud said: Quote: An Alt selection frees up Neal to be included in a trade package to come back into the first round. At this point….Neal has value on the open market? Really? What do you think his value is? Mbavaro, what do you think his value is in terms of a pick or whatever? Give an opinion versus your normal disdain posts to anyone that questions the front office or coaches. We’re waiting

Isn’t it obvious which is why I asked a question?

At this point and time I feel he has little if no value at all based on his performance the last 2 years

That’s why I asked…and the poster responded

So be it

I all seriousness this creepy narrative you continue to drive by literally following me around is not normal behavior

For a guy who apparently reappears with new handles you’re spending way too much time literally caring what I say….is sad

I suggest you not respond to my posts moving forward as I shall not engage with you moving forward

Turner

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An Alt selection frees up Neal to be included in a trade package to come back into the first round.

I want whatever the hell you're smoking.

Bo Nix..

If we don't go QB or WR I think we legit go OT or Edge- Turner would be a possibility.

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An Alt selection frees up Neal to be included in a trade package to come back into the first round.

Why would a team be willing to acquire Neal when we are looking to unload and replace him because he has been so bad?

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In comment 16471223 j_rud said: Quote: An Alt selection frees up Neal to be included in a trade package to come back into the first round. Why would a team be willing to acquire Neal when we are looking to unload and replace him because he has been so bad?

You might get someone that really liked him out of college and clings to their scouting report. I think it makes sense to move him now; you could argue his value depreciates with every snap.

And no qb left to tempt NYG, and they don’t love Odunze, the pick at six likely will surprise many. No matter who it is. I think at that point I’d be surprised if the Giants didn’t trade down or at least try to. so if they couldn’t train down, I’d say the surprise pick there would be one of the corners or Bowers. I just don’t see them taking the OT.

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In comment 16471346 Mike from Ohio said: Quote: In comment 16471223 j_rud said: Quote: An Alt selection frees up Neal to be included in a trade package to come back into the first round. Why would a team be willing to acquire Neal when we are looking to unload and replace him because he has been so bad? You might get someone that really liked him out of college and clings to their scouting report. I think it makes sense to move him now; you could argue his value depreciates with every snap.

Yeah but depreciates from what? I can’t imagine he draws anything other than a Day 3 pick.

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Yeah but depreciates from what? I can’t imagine he draws anything other than a Day 3 pick.

You're probably right, but it might be better to have the day 3 pick at this point.

Take DJ off of our hands....

he seems like a very clean high quality CB prospect. corner with ball skills, tested against the SEC, who can tackle? what's not to like? only just turned 21.

my only knock is that cornerbacks have kind of become surprisingly a little less premium in recent offseasons by the contracts they've been getting, but arnold is a really good looking prospect. guy on the left was a pretty good 5th overall pick last year.

People are assuming I think he'll get a nice.return. I'm not. I don't really care about the return. It's more about moving on. Combine Neal and your 3rd to move up in the 2nd if someone slips a little.

I'm not saying "trade Neal for a 2nd round pick". I'm not even saying "trade Neal". I'm saying, in a hypothetical about unexpected picks at 6, selecting an OT kinda removes any need for him to be on the roster. So just move on, and if he can help you angle for a draft pick great.

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People are assuming I think he'll get a nice.return. I'm not. I don't really care about the return. It's more about moving on. Combine Neal and your 3rd to move up in the 2nd if someone slips a little.

Spot on. It's the perfect time to move Neal while there might be a front office that thinks he's still green and young enough to fix. And I don't care what the return brings, either. Just get something.

We tried for two years, but Neal has regressed since Alabama, and he's hurt too often. So, move on and look for another solution.

available, but not that we picked him. Let's say Wash likes Maye at 2, NE loves JJ at 3, Zona picks MHJ at 4. I don't know what to say about 5 - there's no explanation for him getting by there. But if, by some miracle he does, Daniels would be ours. I can dream!

I love Bowers in a trade down.

Bowers, Alt, Penix seem most likely high value surprise picks, but don’t think it’s any of them at six realistically.

I’m another low IQ guy that would be happy with Penix but prefer a slight trade back to get more assets and Penix later in the first.

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Has Future ALL PRO stamped all-over him.

So did Kyle Pitts lol. He’ll be just another TE.

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Brock Bowers - TE/Georgia

Or Alt

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Good combo. I was thinking along the same lines.

They are inquiring about him. You don’t usually make a trade by saying “hey, you want our RT?” So the question is, what team is out there thinking “when we talk with the Giants see if they would be willing to part with Evan Neal.”

I am not at all opposed to moving him as part of a package. I just think that it is completely unrealistic.

Verse does it all and Bama defenders don’t have a great track record of living up to the hype.

Keep building out the trenches.

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Outside of Terps, no one mentions him at 6?

Nope nobody mentions him at 6 nor should they. There's quite a few who don't think he goes in the 1st round and are essentially guaranteeing he doesn't go top 20. There's a reason the betting sites have the over/under on his draft spot set at 32.5.

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Verse does it all and Bama defenders don’t have a great track record of living up to the hype.

Agreed on Verse, who can also play the run.

I doubt they dump Neal before Bricillo gets to work with him. Bobby Johnson was fired specifically because of Neal's lack of development as well as any lack of any development of any Olineman.

And if he doesn't show improvement, he will go to guard and Eluemunor returns to RT.

and thinking it would be a good or even an ok thing and disagree with me that it would be almost instant coach/GM killer.....this link below lists every single TE drafted every year all the way back to 1953. It is unclear to me if there were no TE's before 1953 or this site only goes to 1953, but it could be every TE drafted in history.

Show me one tight end, ever in history drafted in the top 6 that proved to be a good pick. The closest I come is Mike Ditka in 1961 at #5 and that's going off reputation I never saw him play.

One. Heck, even expand to top 10 and give me the examples? .

Give me one example TE that proved worth it in the top 10 since 1961. over 60 years of drafts. Is there one time it was done and worked out? There are more years when no TE was taken in the 1st round at all than there are years a TE was taken top 6. There is a reason for that.

You know why you can't give me examples? Because of positional value - and drafting a TE at #6 is ridiculous.

This isn't even a "draft is a crap shoot" or "players bust all the time" thing - there is zero track record of success for what some of you are saying you either want to happen or would be ok with happening.

So, sure, surprise yes, but like I said in my post, if Schoen picks Bowers at #6, a different GM will very likely be making the picks next year.

And Bowers may got to a lot of pro-bowls and it changes nothing.

Tight End Draft History - ( New Window )

I also think trading back would be considered a surprise.

Sorry to be so hyperbolic, re: sub 100 iq. One blindside crack and it's possible we're back in the QB hell of current if Penix is thrown into action early. Also, assuming Evan Neal doesn't improve.

I don't believe Neal will ever be able to keep up with pure speed rushers at the RT spot.

Hard pass on any lefty in this draft at QB.

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Sorry to be so hyperbolic, re: sub 100 iq. One blindside crack and it's possible we're back in the QB hell of current if Penix is thrown into action early. Also, assuming Evan Neal doesn't improve. I don't believe Neal will ever be able to keep up with pure speed rushers at the RT spot. Hard pass on any lefty in this draft at QB.

Silly position to take eliminating a QB because of concerns at RT.
Almost as silly as not taking a WR because you don't like the QB....
Suppose Eluemunor takes the RT spot? It is not like they didn't at least take Neal's concerns seriously...

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Sorry to be so hyperbolic, re: sub 100 iq. One blindside crack and it's possible we're back in the QB hell of current if Penix is thrown into action early. Also, assuming Evan Neal doesn't improve. I don't believe Neal will ever be able to keep up with pure speed rushers at the RT spot. Hard pass on any lefty in this draft at QB.

You don't base a decision at QB on your right tackle. If the RT is the problem, you replace the RT.

Really interesting post.

It will be QB or WR. However in a trade down scenario...11 or lower... I could get behind...

Jackson Powers-Johnson / Oregon

If they were taking the RT position with grave concern, they didn't appear to do it so far this off season. I get the idea that Eleumenor can be a swing T, but that's a pretty small bandaid for a major problem in 22 and 23.

I'm not saying Penix should be written off entirely, but I just don't see it at 6 whatsoever. Trade back, pick a Penix and a day 1 Tackle...sure. I'd totally understand that.

Rome Odunze, even if they had both Nabers and McCarthy left on the board.

I THINK Giants LOVE him, and if it’s not Maye or MHJ it’s him.

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If they were taking the RT position with grave concern, they didn't appear to do it so far this off season. I get the idea that Eleumenor can be a swing T, but that's a pretty small bandaid for a major problem in 22 and 23. I'm not saying Penix should be written off entirely, but I just don't see it at 6 whatsoever. Trade back, pick a Penix and a day 1 Tackle...sure. I'd totally understand that.

That's why it would be a surprise