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Kraft warned Blank about Belichick

Sean : 4/17/2024 8:50 am
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Despite that friendly first session, the unthinkable happened for a billionaire and a legendary coach: Blank and Belichick checked each other's references. Blank spoke by phone, at least twice, to Robert Kraft. Among the NFL owners, Blank considers Kraft his closest friend. Publicly, Kraft and Blank have said Kraft expressed only support and offered praise of his former coach.

But in a conversation with Blank, Kraft delivered a stark assessment of Belichick's character, according to a source who spoke to two people: a close Kraft friend and a longtime Belichick confidant. The source quoted the Belichick source as saying, "Robert called Arthur to warn him not to trust Bill." That account was backed up, the source said, by the close Kraft friend.

Multiple sources said that Kraft spoke with "some candor" to Blank about Belichick, though the sources declined to elaborate. One source close to Belichick said Kraft "was a big part" of why the Falcons passed on hiring him.

The sources said Kraft made clear to Blank that "you'll never have a warm conversation with" Belichick, echoing what Bill Parcells told Kraft in 1996 when he wanted to bust the budget and hire Belichick. "Blank likes coaches who feel part of a family," a Falcons source said, "and it wasn't going to be that way with Bill."


This is also an interesting nugget:
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He is believed to be biding his time until next January for openings on teams he has told confidants he would be interested in coaching: the Dallas Cowboys, Philadelphia Eagles and New York Giants.


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Regardless one's opinion  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/17/2024 8:53 am : link
his shadow looms large over Daboll right now.
Bill Belichick Gets Choked Up Talking About His Love For The NY Giants - ( New Window )
Belichick not a warm and fuzzy guy?  
UberAlias : 4/17/2024 8:54 am : link
Nooo... I would never have thought.
Imagine winning that many Super Bowls as an HC and asst  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 4/17/2024 8:56 am : link
and getting crapped on by the organization you led for years on your way out, including a documentary. Says more about Kraft to me.
RE: Imagine winning that many Super Bowls as an HC and asst  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/17/2024 8:57 am : link
In comment 16471605 Bobby Humphrey's Earpad said:
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and getting crapped on by the organization you led for years on your way out, including a documentary. Says more about Kraft to me.


It's really unbelievable. What an asshole.
RE: Imagine winning that many Super Bowls as an HC and asst  
UConn4523 : 4/17/2024 8:58 am : link
In comment 16471605 Bobby Humphrey's Earpad said:
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and getting crapped on by the organization you led for years on your way out, including a documentary. Says more about Kraft to me.


I agree, bad look for Kraft. That said, his opinion is likely true and why I can’t really see Belichick working out unless he makes some major concessions.
In no way shape or  
section125 : 4/17/2024 8:59 am : link
form do I want Belichick back with NYG now or ever. He ruined the Patriots with his stubbornness. Brady left because of him and his refusal to get offensive pieces..

Absolute total pass.
They have Warm and Fuzzy  
upnyg : 4/17/2024 9:00 am : link
Assistant Head Coaches that could have filled in for Kraft's need to bond.

While I think BB should just ride off in the sunset, that's not a way to thank the most successful coach in modern time.
RE: In no way shape or  
logman : 4/17/2024 9:01 am : link
In comment 16471612 section125 said:
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form do I want Belichick back with NYG now or ever. He ruined the Patriots with his stubbornness. Brady left because of him and his refusal to get offensive pieces..

Absolute total pass.


Thank you!
what a dooshbag Kraft is. DIdn't seem to have a problem  
Victor in CT : 4/17/2024 9:02 am : link
for the 20 years and 9 SBs with 6 wins.
Kraft has some serious ingratitude  
Greg from LI : 4/17/2024 9:03 am : link
He has six Lombardis because of Bill Belichick.
Kraft is striking me...  
bw in dc : 4/17/2024 9:04 am : link
more and more as a snake in the grass. That's a hell of an act to pull on a guy that built the greatest football dynasty in the history of the NFL. And helped increase the value of your franchise significantly. Jackass.

It killed him when Brady won another ring away from New England. So, it wouldn't surprise me if Kraft did not was Belichick to win another ring award from New England. And basically sabotaged the hire.

With friends like Kraft, who needs enemies...
RE: Kraft is striking me...  
Sean : 4/17/2024 9:06 am : link
In comment 16471621 bw in dc said:
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more and more as a snake in the grass. That's a hell of an act to pull on a guy that built the greatest football dynasty in the history of the NFL. And helped increase the value of your franchise significantly. Jackass.

It killed him when Brady won another ring away from New England. So, it wouldn't surprise me if Kraft did not was Belichick to win another ring award from New England. And basically sabotaged the hire.

With friends like Kraft, who needs enemies...

Looking back and seeing how Parcells viewed Kraft adds to it too. I think Kraft looks awful here.
RE: RE: Imagine winning that many Super Bowls as an HC and asst  
Adam G in MD : 4/17/2024 9:06 am : link
In comment 16471606 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 16471605 Bobby Humphrey's Earpad said:


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and getting crapped on by the organization you led for years on your way out, including a documentary. Says more about Kraft to me.



It's really unbelievable. What an asshole.


Why is Kraft an asshole? An owner, who is a good friend, asks for an honest evaluation of his former employee. If Kraft saw legitimate red flags, of course he would tell Blank. None of this was meant for public consumption. If anyone is an asshole, it is whoever leaked this private conversation.
However, I'm not aware of the documentary of that you speak, so if this was made public, that's a different story.
Adam  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/17/2024 9:12 am : link
the documentary is out there. He hasn't hidden any of this.
Wellington did the  
section125 : 4/17/2024 9:12 am : link
same for Fassel and the Bills, no?
Mr  
Giantsbigblue : 4/17/2024 9:12 am : link
Happy ending is questioning others character after said coach gets him that many superbowls? Not to mention the hit piece on the appletv documentary? Guy is a con artist.
I Guess Kraft is Not a Fan...  
Jim in Tampa : 4/17/2024 9:14 am : link
of happy endings.
RE: Wellington did the  
Greg from LI : 4/17/2024 9:19 am : link
In comment 16471642 section125 said:
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same for Fassel and the Bills, no?


Supposedly, and I thought it was a bad look for him, too. It's much worse IMO when the coach in question gave you two decades of winning, though.
RE: I Guess Kraft is Not a Fan...  
SirLoinOfBeef : 4/17/2024 9:22 am : link
In comment 16471644 Jim in Tampa said:
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of happy endings.


HEY-O!
RE: RE: Wellington did the  
KennyHill48 : 4/17/2024 9:22 am : link
In comment 16471656 Greg from LI said:
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same for Fassel and the Bills, no?



Supposedly, and I thought it was a bad look for him, too. It's much worse IMO when the coach in question gave you two decades of winning, though.


Yes. I think with Fassel the rumor was that there were some things in his personal life that Wellington did not like.
 
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/17/2024 9:23 am : link
Kraft really comes off as a dick.
The promotion of Mayo to HC  
SirLoinOfBeef : 4/17/2024 9:23 am : link
screams that Kraft wants total control through Wolf.

Tough times ahead IMO...
if Daboll tanks this year im all for Belichek  
Eric on Li : 4/17/2024 9:23 am : link
what else is there to lose at that point? he's one of if not the best head coach of all time even if brady hid some defificiencies better than we realized.
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/17/2024 9:24 am : link
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Like I said. The Belichick cloud will hover if the Giants get off to a very bad start.
I mean, what were the New England Patriots before Belichick?  
Greg from LI : 4/17/2024 9:25 am : link
A second-rate franchise that had been a doormat for much of their existence. Belichick turned them into the premier organization in the NFL, pretty much single-handedly.
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/17/2024 9:25 am : link
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Belichick has told confidants he would be interested in coaching: the Dallas Cowboys, Philadelphia Eagles and New York Giants.

This is going to hover over Brian Daboll and the Giants if they stumble again this year. No way around it.
Please not Belichick  
BillT : 4/17/2024 9:25 am : link
He will take over the entire franchise no matter what he says. Now, you may think that’s a good idea and I can see why. But his record since Brady left isn’t anything to write home about. And there is his age as well. Further, I’m not sure Schoen would stay. He knows he’d be sidelined.
RE: if Daboll tanks this year im all for Belichek  
Greg from LI : 4/17/2024 9:26 am : link
In comment 16471666 Eric on Li said:
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what else is there to lose at that point? he's one of if not the best head coach of all time even if brady hid some defificiencies better than we realized.


He's also going to be 73 years old next year. Unchartered waters.
RE: RE: Wellington did the  
section125 : 4/17/2024 9:27 am : link
In comment 16471656 Greg from LI said:
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same for Fassel and the Bills, no?



Supposedly, and I thought it was a bad look for him, too. It's much worse IMO when the coach in question gave you two decades of winning, though.


Makes little difference how many SB he won if in the last 6 or 7 years he was doing a poor job. I'm sure Brady leaving had something to do with pissing Kraft off.
To each his own, but BB is not the BB of 10 years ago. That team was terribly run and we noted how poorly he did drafting and ignoring pieces for Brady.
BB is a brilliant defensive mind, no doubt. I would not want him as HC anymore.
Men and their ego’s  
jc in c-ville : 4/17/2024 9:34 am : link
JJ/ Jones in Dallas, BB / Kraft in NE. Firmly believe Kraft coveted Brady much more than BB and looking at his coaching record without him, not hard to blame. Who knows- maybe BB is an absolute genius as a DC but left without arguably the greatest QB of all time- JAG and a poor talent evaluator. His drafting left a lot to be desired. Always trading down, etc. Either way, it’s possible that both are completes A- Holes. Kraft is just creepy and BB surly.
 
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/17/2024 9:37 am : link
If I was a Giants beat writer, I would have my ‘Will BB return home?’ articles in draft mode when we inevitably get off to a slow start this fall.
I find all this  
Lines of Scrimmage : 4/17/2024 9:39 am : link
BB stuff very disrespectful and in poor taste.

Not sure where things go with BD but if things don't work out I would certainly want the Giants to at least look into him.

With a year off maybe the Giants get a highly motivated BB with a little chip on his shoulder that has learned from his past and made the necessary adjustments.



 
christian : 4/17/2024 9:42 am : link
I don't know about Belichick. A little too chubby to be trusted to prepare properly.
its not just over Daboll  
Dave on the UWS : 4/17/2024 9:44 am : link
Schoen would have to be fired too, because BB will NOT take a HC job unless he has total personnel control.
If John is THAT stupid to hire this guy, he flushes the entire organization. It will be time for all of us to give it up.
RE: RE: if Daboll tanks this year im all for Belichek  
Eric on Li : 4/17/2024 9:45 am : link
In comment 16471680 Greg from LI said:
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what else is there to lose at that point? he's one of if not the best head coach of all time even if brady hid some defificiencies better than we realized.



He's also going to be 73 years old next year. Unchartered waters.


new hires are last on average 2 years or less so why not roll the dice?

the only reason i could think of is if there's a proven coach they like that's younger who they'd miss out on in the interim (like Vrabel).
Old Mr Rub&Tug  
MojoEd : 4/17/2024 9:45 am : link
Sure is a class act. Had an attitude with Parcells as well, including dividing him from players and minimizing his contributions. Recall Bledsoe and others would go straight to owner.
RE: Regardless one's opinion  
Mike from Ohio : 4/17/2024 9:46 am : link
In comment 16471597 Eric from BBI said:
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his shadow looms large over Daboll right now. Bill Belichick Gets Choked Up Talking About His Love For The NY Giants - ( New Window )


One of the funniest moments in the "The Two Bills" 30-for-30 was this interaction
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Why the F is anyone sharing this with these guys?  
ATL_Giants : 4/17/2024 9:47 am : link
"..Don Van Natta Jr., Seth Wickersham and Jeremy Fowler"

ESPN writers of the article.
RE: its not just over Daboll  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/17/2024 9:51 am : link
In comment 16471723 Dave on the UWS said:
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Schoen would have to be fired too, because BB will NOT take a HC job unless he has total personnel control.
If John is THAT stupid to hire this guy, he flushes the entire organization. It will be time for all of us to give it up.


Most likely.

Which makes Vrabel probably the bigger threat.
I think Vrabel Is The Bigger Threat To Daboll  
KennyHill48 : 4/17/2024 9:51 am : link
A lot of Tennessee connections on this team and with Vrabel you are not getting rid of everyone in the FO. If things come to that, very easy sell by Schoen to Mara that with Vrabel there is a lot of continuity with the FO and coaching staff and you get a 10-year solution at HC as opposed to a 2-3 year one with BB.
RE: Regardless one's opinion  
Sec 103 : 4/17/2024 9:53 am : link
In comment 16471597 Eric from BBI said:
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his shadow looms large over Daboll right now. Bill Belichick Gets Choked Up Talking About His Love For The NY Giants - ( New Window )


Wouldn't mind seeing Bill in blue.
As for Daboll, he got one more year IMHO cause he didn't age well in year two
RE: RE: RE: Wellington did the  
bw in dc : 4/17/2024 9:54 am : link
In comment 16471683 section125 said:
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Makes little difference how many SB he won if in the last 6 or 7 years he was doing a poor job. I'm sure Brady leaving had something to do with pissing Kraft off.
To each his own, but BB is not the BB of 10 years ago. That team was terribly run and we noted how poorly he did drafting and ignoring pieces for Brady.
BB is a brilliant defensive mind, no doubt. I would not want him as HC anymore.


I agree Belichick hit a bad patch. But if you apply the law of averages, wasn't this bound to happen?

I mean, JFC, they were an awesome franchise for 20+ years.

BB made a massive mistake with Noodle Arm Jones. Drafting him was mistake one and then not being able to build around him was mistake two.

But let's be honest. Finding a franchise QB is hard, especially after the run Brady had. Thus, it shouldn't come as a surprise that rebuilding could have taken longer than expected. The D, btw, was championship caliber.
RE: RE: its not just over Daboll  
Mike from Ohio : 4/17/2024 9:55 am : link
In comment 16471746 Eric from BBI said:
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Schoen would have to be fired too, because BB will NOT take a HC job unless he has total personnel control.
If John is THAT stupid to hire this guy, he flushes the entire organization. It will be time for all of us to give it up.



Most likely.

Which makes Vrabel probably the bigger threat.


I don't think Mara is hiring BB to be a one man front office. If the Giants play poorly this year and Daboll is on the hot seat, I think he would much rather retain Schoen and replace Daboll with Vrabel.
great as his career was, don't want BB now, he's too old and it's  
Victor in CT : 4/17/2024 10:02 am : link
passed him by. 30 years too late.
RE: In no way shape or  
Costy16 : 4/17/2024 10:04 am : link
In comment 16471612 section125 said:
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form do I want Belichick back with NYG now or ever. He ruined the Patriots with his stubbornness. Brady left because of him and his refusal to get offensive pieces..

Absolute total pass.


Yep, the Giants would be foolish to make such a move.
Kraft is an idiot  
Darwinian : 4/17/2024 10:14 am : link
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RE: Regardless one's opinion  
BJacobs The Tiptoe Bandit : 4/17/2024 10:15 am : link
In comment 16471597 Eric from BBI said:
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his shadow looms large over Daboll right now. Bill Belichick Gets Choked Up Talking About His Love For The NY Giants - ( New Window )


I've never seen that. Screw it bring him home. The guy instantly brings some level of credibility to the organization and is someone even the young guys would have to respect.

I'll root like hell for Daboll to be real successful but if it falls apart bring the big guy back.
RE: RE: In no way shape or  
Victor in CT : 4/17/2024 10:16 am : link
In comment 16471781 Costy16 said:
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form do I want Belichick back with NYG now or ever. He ruined the Patriots with his stubbornness. Brady left because of him and his refusal to get offensive pieces..

Absolute total pass.



Yep, the Giants would be foolish to make such a move.


I don't want him anymore either (see above) but "ruined the Patriots" is a bit much. Ruined them after 20 years of domination LOL.

It happens to all of them. Landry, Shula, Noll. The game and people change, but they don't. HE's too old now.
Machiavelli  
Spider43 : 4/17/2024 10:17 am : link
Though the game has indeed passed Billy by. As HC, nyet. As DC, I won't be mad (with all the safeguards and assurances he's NOT in line for the HC position, at ANY point in time; which is probably impossible, so...).
RE: I mean, what were the New England Patriots before Belichick?  
ZogZerg : 4/17/2024 10:37 am : link
In comment 16471672 Greg from LI said:
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A second-rate franchise that had been a doormat for much of their existence. Belichick turned them into the premier organization in the NFL, pretty much single-handedly.


100% Correct.
And lets not forget the owner getting happy ending massages Super Bowl week. What an F-ing disgrace he is.
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