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Trade Possibility with NE - What would it look like?

BigBlue7 : 4/17/2024 9:36 am
We all have seen the rumors of a potential draft day trade between NE and NYG so I wanted to take a stab at what a potential trade could look like using the value chart that has been created based on draft pick trades over the last few years

NE 3 - 514
NE 34 - 175
NE 68 - 73
NE 103 - 33
NE 137 - 16
NE 180 - 8
NE 193 - 6
NE 231 - 2

NYG 6 - 446
NYG 47 - 124
NYG 70 - 70
NYG 107 - 31
NYG 166 - 9
NYG 183 - 7


Given the above value of each picks, I think it is possible for us to move up to 3 without sacrificing many picks

NE receives 6, 47, 107 (677)
NYG receives 3, 68, 137 (603)

In this trade, The Giants would be trading back from the middle of the 2nd round to the top of the 3rd, and from the top of the 4th to the top of the 5th

Giants to no sacrifice any capital of next year and we still have a good number of picks for this year that can allow us to move up a bit in the middle rounds should we have a specific target within trade-up range






NE isn't moving without a first round pick for  
logman : 4/17/2024 9:38 am : link
2025
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/17/2024 9:40 am : link
only way I see New England trading down with the Giants is if they don't love Maye and McCarthy.

Is that possible? Yes.

Is it likely? I don't think so.
RE: the  
Chris684 : 4/17/2024 9:43 am : link
In comment 16471712 Eric from BBI said:
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only way I see New England trading down with the Giants is if they don't love Maye and McCarthy.

Is that possible? Yes.

Is it likely? I don't think so.


Also, remember Mayo’s comments during his intro presser. Something to the effect of taking a player at a position of high importance.
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ryanmkeane : 4/17/2024 9:47 am : link
Something to keep in mind with New England - Eliot Wolf will be making his very first pick as a GM. No real history to look back on on what types of players he likes or if he’s more of a conservative/aggressive type of talent evaluator.

He’ll be making the pick alongside Mayo with Kraft’s approval.

For some reason I don’t see Drake Maye as the guy they take. He has the most upside of anyone in the draft in my opinion. But by some he’s also seen as a risk.
RE: NE isn't moving without a first round pick for  
ryanmkeane : 4/17/2024 9:50 am : link
In comment 16471707 logman said:
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If that’s the case the Giants should pass on that trade.

Look at the Jets Sam Darnold trade. They didn’t have to give up a 1st rounder. They gave up both 2nd rounders in that draft and an additional 2nd rounder the following year.
RE: RE: the  
KennyHill48 : 4/17/2024 9:55 am : link
In comment 16471719 Chris684 said:
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Also, remember Mayo’s comments during his intro presser. Something to the effect of taking a player at a position of high importance.


Mayo also said the following about free agency "We're bringing in talent, 1,000 percent. Have a lot of cap space, and cash. Burn some cash." NE has not really done that in free agency. So I'm not sure we should take his comments on the draft that seriously.
I don't see NE passing on Maye  
GFAN52 : 4/17/2024 9:57 am : link
he'll sit a year behind Jacoby Brissett.
RE: the  
UberAlias : 4/17/2024 10:02 am : link
In comment 16471712 Eric from BBI said:
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only way I see New England trading down with the Giants is if they don't love Maye and McCarthy.

Is that possible? Yes.

Is it likely? I don't think so.

I agree with this. I'm hopeful they can figure a way to deal in for Maye, but I think this is more realistic.
RE: I don't see NE passing on Maye  
BJacobs The Tiptoe Bandit : 4/17/2024 10:05 am : link
In comment 16471762 GFAN52 said:
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he'll sit a year behind Jacoby Brissett.


I agree EXCEPT what if Kraft falls in "full bloom love" with his Tommy #2 in JJ???

Mayo and Eliot Wolf don't have the pelts on the wall to override that
Trade Possibility with NE - What would it look like?  
Spider43 : 4/17/2024 10:07 am : link
Untenable.
BigBlue7  
M.S. : 4/17/2024 10:08 am : link

My guess is that the Pats would demand a lot more than +74 points (677 - 603) to move out of the 3-hole. They are going to exact their pound of flesh. We need to either give them a #1 next season or (at minimum) the Giants would only get the 3 (not the 68 and 137) for 6, 47 and 107.
I think Arizona would be the better  
Biteymax22 : 4/17/2024 10:31 am : link
team to ask this question about. I really feel like any thought of NE trading out has just been smoke and also feel that McCarthy would be a good candidate for the Mike Holmgren/Mike McCarthy Green Bay style system that their offensive staff (and front office) will likely put in place.
It’s not happening  
Breeze_94 : 4/17/2024 10:34 am : link
I’d bet my life savings on it
This may be a dumb question  
nygscott : 4/17/2024 10:35 am : link
but is it possible for trade up compensation to be dependent on the position you select with the pick you acquire? For instance, let's say Ari wants one of the WRs. Could they have a clause in the trade that says if the Giants select a WR rather than a QB that the cost is more?
about 2 months ago  
dd in Mass : 4/17/2024 10:35 am : link
the Giants approached the Pats. They wanted the #3 spot for Maye. At that time it was going to cost their #6 2024, #1 2025 and #3 2025.

Then Kraft got involved, and told his people he wanted JJM. Since that time I haven't heard anything other than AZ wanting a king's ransom to move from #4 to #6.

Not sure how much has changed other than MN backing off on moving up and just sitting at #11 and taking Penix.
RE: BigBlue7  
uther99 : 4/17/2024 10:37 am : link
In comment 16471793 M.S. said:
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My guess is that the Pats would demand a lot more than +74 points (677 - 603) to move out of the 3-hole. They are going to exact their pound of flesh. We need to either give them a #1 next season or (at minimum) the Giants would only get the 3 (not the 68 and 137) for 6, 47 and 107.


Agreed, the chart goes out the window for these types of trades. Historically, teams pay 1.5x the chart value moving to the top 5.
It looks like this:  
ZogZerg : 4/17/2024 10:41 am : link
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New England is not trading down.
In what world would New England do this ?  
Ned In Atlanta : 4/17/2024 11:03 am : link
???????
RE: the  
nochance : 4/17/2024 11:23 am : link
In comment 16471712 Eric from BBI said:
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only way I see New England trading down with the Giants is if they don't love Maye and McCarthy.

Is that possible? Yes.

Is it likely? I don't think so.



There would be more on the table from other clubs


NE is the pivot point of the draft . . .  
3000_MilesToMeadowlands : 4/17/2024 11:44 am : link
Bears taking Williams - 99%
Wash taking Daniels - 90+%

I get the feeling a lot of teams attitude is that you can throw a blanket over Penix/Maye/JJM in other words a similar opinion for all of them: "like them, but not trading up a ton of draft capital for them". . . let's see who drops.

NE - if they do not go QB, this opens it up for NY
Ariz - not taking QB, seem to asking too much for trade?
SD - not taking QB, but trade up possible

This is how NY could get Maye, but starts with NE taking a WR (for example)
“What Would It Look Like?”  
MojoEd : 4/17/2024 11:49 am : link
Rape. I expect the new power in NE will want to make a statement, and see no path for a mutually beneficial trade.
RE: about 2 months ago  
HardTruth : 4/17/2024 11:51 am : link
In comment 16471883 dd in Mass said:
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the Giants approached the Pats. They wanted the #3 spot for Maye. At that time it was going to cost their #6 2024, #1 2025 and #3 2025.

Then Kraft got involved, and told his people he wanted JJM. Since that time I haven't heard anything other than AZ wanting a king's ransom to move from #4 to #6.

Not sure how much has changed other than MN backing off on moving up and just sitting at #11 and taking Penix.


Are then thinking Maye is available at 6?
6 to 3 for a qb?  
nyfootballfan : 4/17/2024 12:42 pm : link
laughably cheap.
If I’m NE, I’m only trading out  
Rudy5757 : 4/17/2024 12:45 pm : link
If the deal is super lopsided. Throw the value chart out the window. Put a stupid price and see what stupid team is willing to pay it.

I also think it would make sense to require next years #1. Most teams that trade up for a QB into the top 5 usually wind up in the top 5 the following year.
RE: the  
AcidTest : 4/17/2024 2:33 pm : link
In comment 16471712 Eric from BBI said:
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only way I see New England trading down with the Giants is if they don't love Maye and McCarthy.

Is that possible? Yes.

Is it likely? I don't think so.


Agreed. They need a QB as much as we do, but unlike us, can take one without having to give up any draft capital. Who knows what will happen next year? I'd be really surprised if they trade down.
RE: If I’m NE, I’m only trading out  
AcidTest : 4/17/2024 2:34 pm : link
In comment 16472218 Rudy5757 said:
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If the deal is super lopsided. Throw the value chart out the window. Put a stupid price and see what stupid team is willing to pay it.

I also think it would make sense to require next years #1. Most teams that trade up for a QB into the top 5 usually wind up in the top 5 the following year.


Also agree. It would be insanely expensive to move from #6 to #3. The draft chart is irrelevant.
Would have to be  
BleedBlue46 : 4/17/2024 2:53 pm : link
Pick 6, 2025 1st and KT or pick 6, 2025 1st and 3rd minimum I think
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