at any skill positions. Aiyuk would easily be WR1 on our team. It would be goiod to acquire Aiyuk and draft one of the receivers at 1. However, this may indicte giants might go Dallas Turner at 6.
I think he will be in the conversation, perhaps even on draft day. Problem is salary though.
Yeah I think this is the contingency plan if they take a QB early. In terms of salary, they have a ton of cap space in future years, so what I think they'd do is sign Ayiuk to an extension that minimizes his cap hit this year.
But how could the NYG afford under the cap the contract he is going to want to be happy. That aside, I recall that Shanahan had issues with Aiyuk’s professionalism early in his career and while that appears to have been resolved, if it was an issue, how will he respond after being given generational level wealth?
no idea what I’d trade for him, would depend on whether we draft a QB high or not.
I feel like a trade for Aiyuk means they got one or know one will be there at 6
I was just coming to post this same thing. If they are willing to trade for a vet WR I feel like they know they will be selecting a QB.
Between Aiyuk & a QB we probably won't have a pick in the first 3 rounds for 2024 & 2025, but if you come away with a franchise QB and #1 WR nobody will give a shit.
But how could the NYG afford under the cap the contract he is going to want to be happy. That aside, I recall that Shanahan had issues with Aiyuk’s professionalism early in his career and while that appears to have been resolved, if it was an issue, how will he respond after being given generational level wealth?
No DJ on the cap, + rookie qb contract = lots of cap space in 2026 and beyond
If they know this is going to happen, they can structure the deal around that. Very little cap hit this year, a bit higher next year, then larger chunks starting in 2026.
First if they got a QB this year. Aiyuk would be a number 1 on a lot of teams. I think he’s in the Evans/Lamb tier and just doesn’t get the touches
Say they got the trade done with NE for pick 6, 2025 1st and pick 70. Trade for aiyuk with pick 47 and a contingent pick on 2025 3rd that could become 2nd with reasonable escalators. It would likely become pick 47 and 2025 2nd for Aiyuk. What do you think? Reasonable? Possible? I don't see how we could get Maye without the 2025 1st.
Give up 6 and 70 for Aiyuk. But he wanted to stay with DJ.
Not sure it makes sense to trade for Aiyuk if we trade our #1. Players get traded for much less these days. If we get him for our 3rd that would be great, other than that trading away more picks and paying the high salary is not a good long term plan
But at this point who the hell knows. Joe Alt at 6, Aiyuk (in a deal where we give 47), and Rattler at 70. Yes, this draft season's been going on WAY too long... my head is spinning at this point, LOL.
This is why NYG haven't had mid 2nd round WR in for visits maybe?
Give up 6 and 70 for Aiyuk. But he wanted to stay with DJ.
Not sure it makes sense to trade for Aiyuk if we trade our #1. Players get traded for much less these days. If we get him for our 3rd that would be great, other than that trading away more picks and paying the high salary is not a good long term plan
That would be absolute GM malpractice to give up 6 for Aiyuk. That could be one of the worst trades of all time.
Hill was traded to Miami for five draft picks — 2022 first-, second-, and fourth-round picks as well as 2023 fourth- and sixth-round picks
47 and 2025 2nd would do the trick I think and that would leave pick 6, 2025 1st and pick 70 for QB tradeup.
I see little chance they'd be inquiring about this if they weren't confident on QB in round1, unless it's just simple inquiry. Talking to them about aiyuk sounds a bit more serious than a simple inquiry though.
Give up 6 and 70 for Aiyuk. But he wanted to stay with DJ.
Not sure it makes sense to trade for Aiyuk if we trade our #1. Players get traded for much less these days. If we get him for our 3rd that would be great, other than that trading away more picks and paying the high salary is not a good long term plan
That would be absolute GM malpractice to give up 6 for Aiyuk. That could be one of the worst trades of all time.
How crazy would it be if we have Maye throwing to Aiyuk this season?
Even if they draft Maye I doubt you seeing him throw passes until 2025.
If DJ and/or Lock are playing poorly and the team gets off to a 2-5 start, and people are calling for Daboll's head, hard to see how Maye (or any other qb they draft) stays on the bench all season
Aiyuk. He's elite. 2nd highest PFF grade amongst WR's last year (behind only Tyreek Hill), 7th in receiving yards in 16 games on far fewer targets than the guys above him, only 2 drops on catchable targets, highest yards per target in the NFL of receivers with a minimum of 50 targets.
Aiyuk. He's elite. 2nd highest PFF grade amongst WR's last year (behind only Tyreek Hill), 7th in receiving yards in 16 games on far fewer targets than the guys above him, only 2 drops on catchable targets, highest yards per target in the NFL of receivers with a minimum of 50 targets.
Totally, Aiyuk is a legit #1 and dangerous with every route ran. Also, his injury history is nice. He seems to stay pretty healthy and the way he moves is good to avoid lower body injuries. He has a great attitude too. Maye or JJM rd 1, Aiyuk for pick 70 and 2025 2nd or pick 47 and 2025 3rd that could escalate to 2nd? Sign me up!
If we trade a first for him and draft a QB at six then net/net we save money by having the ability to cut Jones next year as he makes more than Aiyuk will be making. Whether we draft a QB or WR at six they’ll be playing on a rookie contract for 4 years. I wouldn’t mind this though it can’t be decided in a vacuum. I’m for it if one of the top 4 QBs are available. Not a fan of Pennix or Nix.
why would the Giants trade their 6th pick this year
for Aiyuk. If you want a receiver, just draft a cost contained one for four years. If you want to draft a QB, you are not giving up that 6th pick for Aiyuk. There is no way, the 6th pick can be on the table.
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He would get an extension and if we got him his 2024 contract would be low. Money would begin to hit in 2025 and big hits would begin 2026 with DJ completely off the books.
for Aiyuk. If you want a receiver, just draft a cost contained one for four years. If you want to draft a QB, you are not giving up that 6th pick for Aiyuk. There is no way, the 6th pick can be on the table.
Pugh has no clue, we would not trade 6 for aiyuk lol
to give up in any deal. We better win some games next year if we do it. I’d hate to deliver San Fran a top 10 pick - they have enough talent.
Look at the Tyreek Hill trade. The 2025 1st would be in the trade for Maye. No chance it would be for Aiyuk.
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Strongly disagree. I don't see a world where Aiyuk is traded for a package that doesn't include a 1st round pick. Hill, AJ Brown, Davante Adams, original Diggs trade, and even Marquise Brown all had a 1st in the deal
Rickey213 said he was not posting on Twitter, that it was someone else.
Pretty sure that was one of the Rickey copycat accounts (was Rickey212 or Rickey214) he was referring to when someone asked him if it was him that reported the Giants and NE having a deal in place for 3
if we get a QB in the 1st round, we can trade for Ayuk.
A rookie QB contract with a high salary ED and WR makes sense. (Even if we pay DJ a lot this year.)
I guess this is contingency plan just in case we don't get a QB in the 1st rd. I'm still curious why the Giants didn't do 30 visits with 2nd-tier WR. Maybe they want to pair a rookie QB with a veteran WR.
Makes me think they either have their QB trade worked out. The rumors were New England might look to trade down if Daniels wasn’t on the clock. It now seems like Daniel’s goes 2.
If that’s the case I can see the move to try and get aiyuk. Aiyuk is very good. Make the environment as friendly as possible for the young qb.
But with that being said I don’t know if I love the idea of trading for aiyuk. I just don’t think this team is a contender with or without aiyuk. I’d prefer to try and draft one and use my cap money elsewhere
One- People always overestimate the trade cost for a guy a team is willing to trade because of contract demands. Just look at Burns- the Panthers got a second and had to like it. The 49er will not get a 1st rounder for him unless its a very bottom of the 1st pick. Most likely he gets dealt for a 2nd rounder and a pick next year.
Two- if the Giants traded their second round pick, we have to consider the possibility that this would mean that they plan to trade down from #6. They might have something lined up where they know they can move down and get several picks for #6 to offset the loss of the second rounder. I suspect that the Giants would be unwilling to make a deal and go into the draft with only 5 picks, and 4 of them in the 3rd round and after.
Three- I would note that pretty rickey is saying they are talking, not that a deal is imminent. However, if the Giants DO make the deal, taken together with the lack of top 30 visits by WR, the Giants might be signaling no WR picks. if that's the case, a move down from 6 looks wise. I suspect that if the Giants signal they are willing to move down, hypothetically Atlanta or the Jets might want to get ahead of Tenn. to get a shot at Alt.
That could allow the Giants to maximize the value of that pick and then move down again to the high teens. For example, if Penix is on the board, would the Raiders or Denver move up to 8 or 10 to get him?
worth a first round pick? Is it potential or past performances? My opinion, at this time he is not worth a top 20 first round pick.
Aiyuk, MHJ, Nabers or Rome?
Now add in the salary.
Who would ever choose Aiyuk?
The idea would almost certainly be that they plan to use 6 to get a QB, not trade 6 for Aiyuk
Agreed
But its a safe bet that next year's 1st is going to be a similar spot. Paying top dollar for a player and also lose a top of the draft pick? No thank you.
Rickey213 said he was not posting on Twitter, that it was someone else.
Pretty sure that was one of the Rickey copycat accounts (was Rickey212 or Rickey214) he was referring to when someone asked him if it was him that reported the Giants and NE having a deal in place for 3
but I think he's got a ceiling. He's good, not great. We need him so I would love a move to get him, but I think the cost should be relatively fair or in line with what he is, a good outside WR but not a great one.
Would be nice to get that guy in here assuming they are going big QB hunting or even edge/TE/Tackle hunting in round 1.
A 2025 1st is likely to be to be a top 5 pick
Trading this years second to get and pay Burns - ok?
Next year's 1st to pay Aiyuk? No, please no.
What if it’s not though? What if they got Maye and Aiyuk and had a season like the Texans?
Makes little sense giving up a first for Aiyuk under any circumstances. Giving how deep this WR class is and the quality of WR coming into the league these days, the Giants may be able to get an Aiyuk caliber player in the second or third round.
but I think he's got a ceiling. He's good, not great. We need him so I would love a move to get him, but I think the cost should be relatively fair or in line with what he is, a good outside WR but not a great one.
Would be nice to get that guy in here assuming they are going big QB hunting or even edge/TE/Tackle hunting in round 1.
A 2025 1st is likely to be to be a top 5 pick
Trading this years second to get and pay Burns - ok?
Next year's 1st to pay Aiyuk? No, please no.
What if it’s not though? What if they got Maye and Aiyuk and had a season like the Texans?
Makes little sense giving up a first for Aiyuk under any circumstances. Giving how deep this WR class is and the quality of WR coming into the league these days, the Giants may be able to get an Aiyuk caliber player in the second or third round.
They may end up using a first round pick on a WR who might end up being as good as Aiyuk. What’s the difference trading a first round pick for Aiyuk?
worth a first round pick? Is it potential or past performances? My opinion, at this time he is not worth a top 20 first round pick.
Aiyuk, MHJ, Nabers or Rome?
Now add in the salary.
Who would ever choose Aiyuk?
Well, if the Giants go QB at 6, none of those guys will be an option. And if the Giants have to give up #47 to move up for QB, none of the second tier WR prospects will be an option either
but I think he's got a ceiling. He's good, not great. We need him so I would love a move to get him, but I think the cost should be relatively fair or in line with what he is, a good outside WR but not a great one.
Would be nice to get that guy in here assuming they are going big QB hunting or even edge/TE/Tackle hunting in round 1.
What do you think makes him good but not great?
Comparing him to the very best, he's not Hill or Adams (at his peak) or AJ Brown. He's in that next tier which is fine, we need that, but he's not a super star super elite WR and never will be. Just watch him play and looking at his stats is pretty clear indicator of what he is. Again, we need him, i'd love to get him, but no one should be parting with a shit load of value to get him.
If you can get him for a couple mid round picks maybe even a 2025 2nd, fine by me. Then sign him long term.
I think a lot of people are severely underestimating
His first two years he was under 1000 yards, but he was catching balls from CJ Beathard, Trey Lance, Nick Mullens and some Jimmy G.
Since SF has put a decent QB on the field two years ago he's averaging 1200 yards and 7.5 TDs a season. That's with CMC, Deebo & Kittle taking touches away from him.
He's got good numbers on a lot less targets than the other top WRs in the NFL. Here are the number of targets for the top WRs in the NFL over the last two years. What would his numbers look like with those extra 100 targets? He's also missing out on a ton of RZ targets due to CMC.
Tyreek - 341 (Missed 1 game)
Lamb - 337
Jefferson - 284 (Missed 7 games in 2023)
St. Brown - 310 (Missed 2 games)
AJ Brown - 303
Aiyuk - 219
I can't imagine we'd be giving up a 1st rounder for him though.
I don’t view him as a true #1 and not thrilled about the idea of paying him like one. Especially when they just traded a high second rounder for the privilege to sign Burns to a massive contract.
Penix being the pick at #6 is a possibility, even if others discount it b/c ‘that’s too high for him’.
If the Giants have similar grades on JJM and Penix, then they can almost certainly get one of them at #6, and definitely at #5 in a trade with the Chargers.
That's the reason he is asking for the trade. His floor will be Devonta Smiths contract, 3/75 50+ Guaranteed. But Lamb and Jefferson contracts could reset the ceiling.
I would not trade anything form 24 for him and would avoid using a 1st from 25.
to give up in any deal. We better win some games next year if we do it. I’d hate to deliver San Fran a top 10 pick - they have enough talent.
Look at the Tyreek Hill trade. The 2025 1st would be in the trade for Maye. No chance it would be for Aiyuk.
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Hill was traded to Miami for five draft picks — 2022 first-, second-, and fourth-round picks as well as 2023 fourth- and sixth-round picks —
Strongly disagree. I don't see a world where Aiyuk is traded for a package that doesn't include a 1st round pick. Hill, AJ Brown, Davante Adams, original Diggs trade, and even Marquise Brown all had a 1st in the deal
They were all from playoff competing teams. Pick 47 and 2025 2nd would get it done I bet. 49ers know they can't pay him, before the draft is their chance.
In a WR rich draft, Schoen pivots, trades for, and signs a good - not great - WR that eats up a significant part of the cap because Aiyuk will demand elite $s.
Why not add another young WR to the current stable of young, talented WRs we have and grow the team organically?
I really hope this "talking" leads to nothing material.
I don’t see him as a No. 1 guy. I hope the Giants are not wasting resources (draft picks and salary cap) on a guy that is a good but not great player that teams have to game plan around.
Penix being the pick at #6 is a possibility, even if others discount it b/c ‘that’s too high for him’.
If the Giants have similar grades on JJM and Penix, then they can almost certainly get one of them at #6, and definitely at #5 in a trade with the Chargers.
I’d much prefer Penix and Aiyuk than Nabers/Odunze and maybe figuring out QB next year
In a WR rich draft, Schoen pivots, trades for, and signs a good - not great - WR that eats up a significant part of the cap because Aiyuk will demand elite $s.
Why not add another young WR to the current stable of young, talented WRs we have and grow the team organically?
I really hope this "talking" leads to nothing material.
Exactly. Not the right way to build a team IMO. Burns deal I like because edge rushers are more hit and miss. WRs are coming in right away and making immediate contributions. 2nd round pick or so? I can get behind that, especially if they draft a rookie QB and have him on the rookie deal. But talk of this year's 1st or next years? Insanity.
and draft Nabers. That would very much help Daniel Jones. Pick up Benson at 70. Your skill positions are set for years. Cruz, Nicks and Manningham got us SB trophy, Nabers, Aiyuk, and Robinson/Hyatt would be ridiculous explosiveness.
The Bills were a better team. I dont like the process of continually trading away picks for players and having to pay a high salary.
I like Aiyuk, he's not 1st round pick material especially when our picks have mostly been top 10. Plus we also have limited cap money, Thomas is really the only player left to squeeze money unless they cut Waller who we traded for and signed to a high contract.
Aiyuk's trajectory is on the rise, but he's also surrounded by other top 10 talent at WR, TE and RB. I'm not sure he's the alpha that can take us to the next level and 2023 may have been his career year.
In a WR rich draft, Schoen pivots, trades for, and signs a good - not great - WR that eats up a significant part of the cap because Aiyuk will demand elite $s.
Why not add another young WR to the current stable of young, talented WRs we have and grow the team organically?
I really hope this "talking" leads to nothing material.
I'd be excited to have him but I'm with bw on this. I think it will take 47 + a sweetener...not to mention the cap capital.
With the way colleges are churning out receivers, I'd rather go that route.
i love aiyuk but i have to think any deal would be mostly pick #47
because of the contract that would come along with him.
if they can get a QB at #6 and then trade for Aiyuk, I think that's a great draft outcome. Aiyuk is an excellent, excellent player.
#47 + next years 1 or 2 feels like an overpay to me with the contract he will need and given the market. I think the compensation for Diggs sets the price here since he too was coming along essentially without a contract.
I don’t see him as a No. 1 guy. I hope the Giants are not wasting resources (draft picks and salary cap) on a guy that is a good but not great player that teams have to game plan around.
The giants have a deal in place with NE if daniels goes 2...
The odds for daniels going 2 have gone up - maybe even word among front offices is its all but done so giants know they are moving up to 3 to maye and are now pivoting to get a WR...
but I think he's got a ceiling. He's good, not great. We need him so I would love a move to get him, but I think the cost should be relatively fair or in line with what he is, a good outside WR but not a great one.
Would be nice to get that guy in here assuming they are going big QB hunting or even edge/TE/Tackle hunting in round 1.
What do you think makes him good but not great?
Comparing him to the very best, he's not Hill or Adams (at his peak) or AJ Brown. He's in that next tier which is fine, we need that, but he's not a super star super elite WR and never will be. Just watch him play and looking at his stats is pretty clear indicator of what he is. Again, we need him, i'd love to get him, but no one should be parting with a shit load of value to get him.
If you can get him for a couple mid round picks maybe even a 2025 2nd, fine by me. Then sign him long term.
I'd probably compare him to a peak level Amani Toomer. Not the same player but at his peak Toomer flirted with pro bowl caliber (he should have made it in 2002)--I think Aiyuk can flirt with pro bowls too. He's a fine player he's just not HOF level good. I'd take him, gladly.
In a WR rich draft, Schoen pivots, trades for, and signs a good - not great - WR that eats up a significant part of the cap because Aiyuk will demand elite $s.
Why not add another young WR to the current stable of young, talented WRs we have and grow the team organically?
I really hope this "talking" leads to nothing material.
Exactly. Not the right way to build a team IMO. Burns deal I like because edge rushers are more hit and miss. WRs are coming in right away and making immediate contributions. 2nd round pick or so? I can get behind that, especially if they draft a rookie QB and have him on the rookie deal. But talk of this year's 1st or next years? Insanity.
0 chance for 1st. I really think comp would be in the range of pick 47 and a 3rd that could become a 2nd in 2025. 6, 2025 1st and pick 70 for Maye or something like that.
I don’t see him as a No. 1 guy. I hope the Giants are not wasting resources (draft picks and salary cap) on a guy that is a good but not great player that teams have to game plan around.
He's the #1 for SF, not Debo.
San Francisco has two really good No.2 receivers. There’s only about 10-12 legit No. 1 receivers in the NFL.
you don't have to be a top 5 WR to be a solid or good #1 in this league. Toomer from 99-2003 was a legit #1 on a decent or even dangerous passing team.
If you want an elite #1, you need to go bigger but you can win with a solid #1 like Aiyuk.
Also, this move wouldn't preclude NYG from adding more WR talent to the team. How on earth someone can say this doesn't make sense I will never know. It doesn't make sense to ignore Aiyuk or ignore adding this kind of player.
*** That's with CMC, Deebo & Kittle taking touches away from him.
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He might have had more targets if SF didn’t have those stars, but did they also have a beneficial impact on his performance? Did CMC, Deebo and Kittle limit the double teams he faced and limited ability of D coordinators to scheme against him? While he seems better than the typical #2 WR, doesn’t he face the risk of failure other #2s faced when they changed teams and attempted a solo act? Not saying he can’t have as great or greater success on another team, but is it a sure thing?
RE: Aiyuk went to the super bowl with San Francisco
Money, as usual. This might as well just be deemed FA move, just like Burns. IT comes with a draft pick cost, but that's life when you want to add a young player ahead of FA. You want him? Get him. Even if we added Nabers or a WR at 6, we could still use another player. Slayton is a place holder or a #3. Robinson is a slot / gadget guy. Hyatt who the hell knows. The position needs a jolt or two.
Penix being the pick at #6 is a possibility, even if others discount it b/c ‘that’s too high for him’.
If the Giants have similar grades on JJM and Penix, then they can almost certainly get one of them at #6, and definitely at #5 in a trade with the Chargers.
Anthony Richardson and Penix is a terrible comparison IMO. I would say there is less than a 0.01% chance that Penix goes in the top 6. Maybe like a 10% chance he goes in the top 15.
Ben Allbright has said recently there's no chance that Penix goes in the top 15.
suddenly that's yet another position with more answers than questions. You'd be looking at DE, QB and safety and corner as positions you'd like to upgrade and questions at RT and Center but both are filled with young talent. And safety and Corner aren't exactly barren. Could be worse.
Rickey213 said he was not posting on Twitter, that it was someone else.
Pretty sure that was one of the Rickey copycat accounts (was Rickey212 or Rickey214) he was referring to when someone asked him if it was him that reported the Giants and NE having a deal in place for 3
Yep, I just meant the copycat accounts.
Were you (the original twitter account) kicked off twitter? I loved the conspiracies...
Penix being the pick at #6 is a possibility, even if others discount it b/c ‘that’s too high for him’.
If the Giants have similar grades on JJM and Penix, then they can almost certainly get one of them at #6, and definitely at #5 in a trade with the Chargers.
Anthony Richardson and Penix is a terrible comparison IMO. I would say there is less than a 0.01% chance that Penix goes in the top 6. Maybe like a 10% chance he goes in the top 15.
Ben Allbright has said recently there's no chance that Penix goes in the top 15.
I would put zero stock in anything Allbright says that isn't Denver-related. His final mock a day before the draft last year had just about every single pick wrong which included Levis going #4 overall Link - ( New Window )
A 2025 1st is likely to be to be a top 5 pick
Trading this years second to get and pay Burns - ok?
Next year's 1st to pay Aiyuk? No, please no.
What if it’s not though? What if they got Maye and Aiyuk and had a season like the Texans?
Makes little sense giving up a first for Aiyuk under any circumstances. Giving how deep this WR class is and the quality of WR coming into the league these days, the Giants may be able to get an Aiyuk caliber player in the second or third round.
Agreed. Unless this is a future 2nder we can do better cap wise. A premium this year and the extension for him, we just did that with Burns (which took us out of a true power position to trade up for a QB if need be). I like Jones but another QB option is needed and should be added if that requires a trade up the 47th pick is going to be moved. Aiyuk will require the 47th. A 3rd and a future 2nder is the only other viable option on the "cheap". That takes away even more ability to be flexible @ 6, unless Browser is the dark horse pick at 6 and Waller has retired officially in-house only.
The Burns trade really took away a lot of draft flexibility but it was a good move. Moving the other 2nd just seems unwise, maybe it would look better on draft day.
Thoughts to share about Aiyuk for those wondering how talented he is..
He was SF's #1 selection, 25th overall from Arizona State in 2020. Currently 26 years old, and he clocks in about 6'0, 200 lbs.
He is coming off of multiple 1,000-yard seasons, and his 1,342 yards last year were 7th highest in the league. Keep in mind that total was on just 75 receptions (and 105 targets). Most wideouts with similar numbers (Mike Evans, DJ Moore, AJ Brown) had significantly more looks.
Aiyuk finished with 61 receptions for first downs, and absolutely punished cornerbacks and safeties with in-cuts down the seam. He finished second in the league with 28 receptions of 20 yards, only behind Tyreek Hill and CeeDee Lamb, who had one more each.
He has only missed one game the last three seasons, and makes good decisions downfield about not absorbing unnecessary contact.
For those saying "Well, his numbers are inflated due to the weapons that San Francisco had". Somewhat true, but keep in mind that Aiyuk outperformed Samuel last year, and most defenses treated him as their WR1.
Justin Pugh currently outlined a deal that had the Giants giving SF our 6th selection, in exchange for their 31st overall pick, and a 3rd round pick this year. I'd do that deal in a HEARTBEAT. The team would still have the capital to move back up should they wish (with a remaining first and round round selection), or be patient to go with Bo Nix as a high 2nd round swap.
Either way, if Big Blue were able to pry away Aiyuk, I think fans would be very, very happy with the player. I've long been a fan of his skillset.
Give up 6 and 70 for Aiyuk. But he wanted to stay with DJ.
Not sure it makes sense to trade for Aiyuk if we trade our #1. Players get traded for much less these days. If we get him for our 3rd that would be great, other than that trading away more picks and paying the high salary is not a good long term plan
That would be absolute GM malpractice to give up 6 for Aiyuk. That could be one of the worst trades of all time.
+1
Can't be
NFW.
RE: RE: I think a lot of people are severely underestimating
*** That's with CMC, Deebo & Kittle taking touches away from him.
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He might have had more targets if SF didn’t have those stars, but did they also have a beneficial impact on his performance? Did CMC, Deebo and Kittle limit the double teams he faced and limited ability of D coordinators to scheme against him? While he seems better than the typical #2 WR, doesn’t he face the risk of failure other #2s faced when they changed teams and attempted a solo act? Not saying he can’t have as great or greater success on another team, but is it a sure thing?
He had 31 receptions for 390 yards in the 4 games Debo missed last year...
Penix being the pick at #6 is a possibility, even if others discount it b/c ‘that’s too high for him’.
If the Giants have similar grades on JJM and Penix, then they can almost certainly get one of them at #6, and definitely at #5 in a trade with the Chargers.
Anthony Richardson and Penix is a terrible comparison IMO. I would say there is less than a 0.01% chance that Penix goes in the top 6. Maybe like a 10% chance he goes in the top 15.
Ben Allbright has said recently there's no chance that Penix goes in the top 15.
I would put zero stock in anything Allbright says that isn't Denver-related. His final mock a day before the draft last year had just about every single pick wrong which included Levis going #4 overall Link - ( New Window )
It's not just him. Betting sites have his over/under set at 32.5. If he had a chance of going top 10 they wouldn't just be handing out free money like that.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Anthony Richardson went #4 last year
Penix being the pick at #6 is a possibility, even if others discount it b/c ‘that’s too high for him’.
If the Giants have similar grades on JJM and Penix, then they can almost certainly get one of them at #6, and definitely at #5 in a trade with the Chargers.
Anthony Richardson and Penix is a terrible comparison IMO. I would say there is less than a 0.01% chance that Penix goes in the top 6. Maybe like a 10% chance he goes in the top 15.
Ben Allbright has said recently there's no chance that Penix goes in the top 15.
I would put zero stock in anything Allbright says that isn't Denver-related. His final mock a day before the draft last year had just about every single pick wrong which included Levis going #4 overall Link - ( New Window )
It's not just him. Betting sites have his over/under set at 32.5. If he had a chance of going top 10 they wouldn't just be handing out free money like that.
Ian Rapoport is on record saying that he thinks it's very likely Penix is not only a first round pick, but is picked in the top half of the round. Unlike most of these reporters, he doesn't say things like that unless he's pretty confident in it.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Anthony Richardson went #4 last year
Penix being the pick at #6 is a possibility, even if others discount it b/c ‘that’s too high for him’.
If the Giants have similar grades on JJM and Penix, then they can almost certainly get one of them at #6, and definitely at #5 in a trade with the Chargers.
Anthony Richardson and Penix is a terrible comparison IMO. I would say there is less than a 0.01% chance that Penix goes in the top 6. Maybe like a 10% chance he goes in the top 15.
Ben Allbright has said recently there's no chance that Penix goes in the top 15.
I would put zero stock in anything Allbright says that isn't Denver-related. His final mock a day before the draft last year had just about every single pick wrong which included Levis going #4 overall Link - ( New Window )
It's not just him. Betting sites have his over/under set at 32.5. If he had a chance of going top 10 they wouldn't just be handing out free money like that.
Allbright is a clown with zero sources and zero credibility. He was fuming mad at me when I was tweeting scoops. Guy is unhinged.
Pugh mentioned how the Giants should rework a bunch of contracts and trade for Aiyuk.
Ironically I mentioned if we passed on drafting a WR and went QB in round 1 that I could see the Giants looking into Aiyuk.
This appears to be the same account he posted about the Burns trade before anyone else had it. Eric can confirm
Yes, what I mean is, Is Justin Pugh Rickey? He might be connected with an agent or 2?
I immediately was dismissive of this but knowing Pugh has lurked on BBI, that hes trying to start a youtube channel, and that he's a talker...it does make me wonder...
Penix being the pick at #6 is a possibility, even if others discount it b/c ‘that’s too high for him’.
If the Giants have similar grades on JJM and Penix, then they can almost certainly get one of them at #6, and definitely at #5 in a trade with the Chargers.
Anthony Richardson and Penix is a terrible comparison IMO. I would say there is less than a 0.01% chance that Penix goes in the top 6. Maybe like a 10% chance he goes in the top 15.
Ben Allbright has said recently there's no chance that Penix goes in the top 15.
I would put zero stock in anything Allbright says that isn't Denver-related. His final mock a day before the draft last year had just about every single pick wrong which included Levis going #4 overall Link - ( New Window )
It's not just him. Betting sites have his over/under set at 32.5. If he had a chance of going top 10 they wouldn't just be handing out free money like that.
Ian Rapoport is on record saying that he thinks it's very likely Penix is not only a first round pick, but is picked in the top half of the round. Unlike most of these reporters, he doesn't say things like that unless he's pretty confident in it.
That's not what Rapoport said. He said Penix is likely to go in the 1st round and could go in the top half. That's a lot different than saying he's very likely to go in the top half of the round.
It definitely could happen. It only takes 1 team. IMO him in the top 15 would be an absolutely terrible pick. Taking him at 6 is just as bad if not worse than Daniel Jones at 6 and I was on the Washington hype train before just about anybody. He just has so many red flags as an NFL prospect.
In a WR rich draft, Schoen pivots, trades for, and signs a good - not great - WR that eats up a significant part of the cap because Aiyuk will demand elite $s.
Why not add another young WR to the current stable of young, talented WRs we have and grow the team organically?
I really hope this "talking" leads to nothing material.
I wouldn't expect to see anything happen until next Thurs night.
Remember, Schoen had multiple contingent trade possibilities lined up last year, so there's no reason to suspect he wouldn't be doing the same again.
This may not be Plan A or B, but just another option to have at the ready so he doesn't get caught with his dick in his hand like some other GMs of the past.
So do we! Jon, gotta lol at this and wonder if they're as fractured internally as BBI, according to which any of the QBs' potential elite NFL genes
is 1/unknowable, 2/ will be available @ 6 or via trade, or 3/ (via Terps) is a dead certainty to roll with.
Hope all good.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Anthony Richardson went #4 last year
That's not what Rapoport said. He said Penix is likely to go in the 1st round and could go in the top half. That's a lot different than saying he's very likely to go in the top half of the round.
It definitely could happen. It only takes 1 team. IMO him in the top 15 would be an absolutely terrible pick. Taking him at 6 is just as bad if not worse than Daniel Jones at 6 and I was on the Washington hype train before just about anybody. He just has so many red flags as an NFL prospect.
Nope. He said "likely in the first half of the first round" Link - ( New Window )
In a WR rich draft, Schoen pivots, trades for, and signs a good - not great - WR that eats up a significant part of the cap because Aiyuk will demand elite $s.
Why not add another young WR to the current stable of young, talented WRs we have and grow the team organically?
I really hope this "talking" leads to nothing material.
Although I agree with you, my guess is the Giants are all but certain they’ll be getting their QB in round 1 and believe Aiyuk is a better option than any of the WRs that may be available in round two.
In a WR rich draft, Schoen pivots, trades for, and signs a good - not great - WR that eats up a significant part of the cap because Aiyuk will demand elite $s.
Why not add another young WR to the current stable of young, talented WRs we have and grow the team organically?
I really hope this "talking" leads to nothing material.
+1
I don't agree with this take on Aiyuk, he's the equivalent WR to what Burns is as a DE, and he's on an upward trajectory with a playstyle that avoids injury and ages well. If we are trading out 2025 1st to get Maye, then I want us to do everything we possibly can to have that 2025 1st not be too high and have Maye with the best possible situation possible. If this trade could be done for pick 47 and 2025 3rd more or less, and we secure one of the top QBs. Then it's a no Brainer. There's going to be a run on WRs and we will likely have slim pickings at 47. Follow the Buffalo model, trade up for Maye get him a legit receiver with lots of receptions as a security blanket along with solid defense. That's a great way to build. If you're trading massive draft capital for Maye, you need to give him the absolute best situation possible. We've seen how important proper coaching and roster assembly is for a talented young QB.
Penix being the pick at #6 is a possibility, even if others discount it b/c ‘that’s too high for him’.
If the Giants have similar grades on JJM and Penix, then they can almost certainly get one of them at #6, and definitely at #5 in a trade with the Chargers.
I’d much prefer Penix and Aiyuk than Nabers/Odunze and maybe figuring out QB next year
BUT, if Schoen knows that after he puts together a package for his QB (with NE), he will not have the capital to get a legit top notch receiver.
If he can get this guy for mid rd picks (preferably next year) to pair with a drafted QB, then it makes sense.
If this is NOT the case, he shouldn't consider this guy. It blows a lot of cap space, where he can draft a more talented guy who will be on a rookie deal.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Anthony Richardson went #4 last year
That's not what Rapoport said. He said Penix is likely to go in the 1st round and could go in the top half. That's a lot different than saying he's very likely to go in the top half of the round.
It definitely could happen. It only takes 1 team. IMO him in the top 15 would be an absolutely terrible pick. Taking him at 6 is just as bad if not worse than Daniel Jones at 6 and I was on the Washington hype train before just about anybody. He just has so many red flags as an NFL prospect.
Nope. He said "likely in the first half of the first round" Link - ( New Window )
He actually said both. He said likely in the 1st half and then likely in the 1st half.
Like I said it's a definite possibility. Crazy shit happens in the draft all the time.
In a WR rich draft, Schoen pivots, trades for, and signs a good - not great - WR that eats up a significant part of the cap because Aiyuk will demand elite $s.
Why not add another young WR to the current stable of young, talented WRs we have and grow the team organically?
I really hope this "talking" leads to nothing material.
Although I agree with you, my guess is the Giants are all but certain they’ll be getting their QB in round 1 and believe Aiyuk is a better option than any of the WRs that may be available in round two.
Yeah, and like I said there is going to be a run on receivers with up to 15 going before our pick 47. There might be a reason they haven't brought in any of those prospects for a top 30 visit.
Also, what better way to utilize a rookie qb contract than with a DE and WR being paid with the benefit of a rookie qb contract. 4-5 years for all of them, it doesn't cripple our cap if DJ is gone.
His first two years he was under 1000 yards, but he was catching balls from CJ Beathard, Trey Lance, Nick Mullens and some Jimmy G.
Since SF has put a decent QB on the field two years ago he's averaging 1200 yards and 7.5 TDs a season. That's with CMC, Deebo & Kittle taking touches away from him.
He's got good numbers on a lot less targets than the other top WRs in the NFL. Here are the number of targets for the top WRs in the NFL over the last two years. What would his numbers look like with those extra 100 targets? He's also missing out on a ton of RZ targets due to CMC.
Tyreek - 341 (Missed 1 game)
Lamb - 337
Jefferson - 284 (Missed 7 games in 2023)
St. Brown - 310 (Missed 2 games)
AJ Brown - 303
Aiyuk - 219
I can't imagine we'd be giving up a 1st rounder for him though.
Fair points, but he’s also had CMC, Deebo and Kittle taking defensive attention away from him too. How will he handle being the top dog and a focus of opposing D’s?
I like Aiyuk, but I hate giving up a high pick for him, given that he will need to be paid. As others have noted, he’s had maturity issues in the past, how will he handle a big payday?
I’d rather use a high pick to move up to grab a WR and a QB in the draft.
Pugh mentioned how the Giants should rework a bunch of contracts and trade for Aiyuk.
Ironically I mentioned if we passed on drafting a WR and went QB in round 1 that I could see the Giants looking into Aiyuk.
This appears to be the same account he posted about the Burns trade before anyone else had it. Eric can confirm
Yes, what I mean is, Is Justin Pugh Rickey? He might be connected with an agent or 2?
I immediately was dismissive of this but knowing Pugh has lurked on BBI, that hes trying to start a youtube channel, and that he's a talker...it does make me wonder...
Hard to imagine Pugh doing anything under cover of darkness.
BUT, if Schoen knows that after he puts together a package for his QB (with NE), he will not have the capital to get a legit top notch receiver.
If he can get this guy for mid rd picks (preferably next year) to pair with a drafted QB, then it makes sense.
If this is NOT the case, he shouldn't consider this guy. It blows a lot of cap space, where he can draft a more talented guy who will be on a rookie deal.
To those that think we would trade for Aiyuk without getting a rookie QB, you're nuts. We can't gamble with massive contracts for Burns and Aiyuk without knowing we will have a rookie QB contract to pair with Burns and Aiyuk, 0 chance.
Imagine trading pick 6, 39, 47, 2025 1st, 2nd and 3rd for Drake Maye, Burns and a legit #1 WR in his prime and only getting better. Sign me up for that!
RE: RE: RE: This doesn't seem like a bright idea...
In a WR rich draft, Schoen pivots, trades for, and signs a good - not great - WR that eats up a significant part of the cap because Aiyuk will demand elite $s.
Why not add another young WR to the current stable of young, talented WRs we have and grow the team organically?
I really hope this "talking" leads to nothing material.
+1
I don't agree with this take on Aiyuk, he's the equivalent WR to what Burns is as a DE, and he's on an upward trajectory with a playstyle that avoids injury and ages well. If we are trading out 2025 1st to get Maye, then I want us to do everything we possibly can to have that 2025 1st not be too high and have Maye with the best possible situation possible. If this trade could be done for pick 47 and 2025 3rd more or less, and we secure one of the top QBs. Then it's a no Brainer. There's going to be a run on WRs and we will likely have slim pickings at 47. Follow the Buffalo model, trade up for Maye get him a legit receiver with lots of receptions as a security blanket along with solid defense. That's a great way to build. If you're trading massive draft capital for Maye, you need to give him the absolute best situation possible. We've seen how important proper coaching and roster assembly is for a talented young QB.
Fortune favors the bold. Lets be bold for a change.
RE: RE: I think a lot of people are severely underestimating
His first two years he was under 1000 yards, but he was catching balls from CJ Beathard, Trey Lance, Nick Mullens and some Jimmy G.
Since SF has put a decent QB on the field two years ago he's averaging 1200 yards and 7.5 TDs a season. That's with CMC, Deebo & Kittle taking touches away from him.
He's got good numbers on a lot less targets than the other top WRs in the NFL. Here are the number of targets for the top WRs in the NFL over the last two years. What would his numbers look like with those extra 100 targets? He's also missing out on a ton of RZ targets due to CMC.
Tyreek - 341 (Missed 1 game)
Lamb - 337
Jefferson - 284 (Missed 7 games in 2023)
St. Brown - 310 (Missed 2 games)
AJ Brown - 303
Aiyuk - 219
I can't imagine we'd be giving up a 1st rounder for him though.
Fair points, but he’s also had CMC, Deebo and Kittle taking defensive attention away from him too. How will he handle being the top dog and a focus of opposing D’s?
I like Aiyuk, but I hate giving up a high pick for him, given that he will need to be paid. As others have noted, he’s had maturity issues in the past, how will he handle a big payday?
I’d rather use a high pick to move up to grab a WR and a QB in the draft.
He had 31 receptions for 390 yards in the 4 games Debo missed last year...he has been SF's #1 wr for the past 2 years. Debo is an elite gadget guy.
So do we! Jon, gotta lol at this and wonder if they're as fractured internally as BBI, according to which any of the QBs' potential elite NFL genes
is 1/unknowable, 2/ will be available @ 6 or via trade, or 3/ (via Terps) is a dead certainty to roll with.
Hope all good.
CHP, all is good, chaotic and mega busy and my son is almost 5 already! Good to hear from you. Think QB hinges on Maye being there at #3 with Daniels gone at #2. Don't think they go QB at #6 otherwise, but would think they'll try to trade up from #47 with picks from next year.
RE: RE: I think a lot of people are severely underestimating
His first two years he was under 1000 yards, but he was catching balls from CJ Beathard, Trey Lance, Nick Mullens and some Jimmy G.
Since SF has put a decent QB on the field two years ago he's averaging 1200 yards and 7.5 TDs a season. That's with CMC, Deebo & Kittle taking touches away from him.
He's got good numbers on a lot less targets than the other top WRs in the NFL. Here are the number of targets for the top WRs in the NFL over the last two years. What would his numbers look like with those extra 100 targets? He's also missing out on a ton of RZ targets due to CMC.
Tyreek - 341 (Missed 1 game)
Lamb - 337
Jefferson - 284 (Missed 7 games in 2023)
St. Brown - 310 (Missed 2 games)
AJ Brown - 303
Aiyuk - 219
I can't imagine we'd be giving up a 1st rounder for him though.
Fair points, but he’s also had CMC, Deebo and Kittle taking defensive attention away from him too. How will he handle being the top dog and a focus of opposing D’s?
I like Aiyuk, but I hate giving up a high pick for him, given that he will need to be paid. As others have noted, he’s had maturity issues in the past, how will he handle a big payday?
I’d rather use a high pick to move up to grab a WR and a QB in the draft.
I'm under the assumption we'd only be trading for Aiyuk if we got a QB in the 1st round. So then you ask yourself would you rather have Aiyuk or a 2nd round WR. The answer to that should be pretty easy.
is that in a draft full of top WR prospects, the same year return for a Veteran WR would be less. Meaning, the 49ers may have to take more future return than 2024 return.
So a 3-5th rd pick this year and a conditional next year could be on the table..
Rather than responding to any particular poster here, I will just post to say that I have no problem with the Giants doing their due diligence to see what trading for someone like Aiyuk would take. I think there is enough WR talent in this draft that we can find someone cheaper who has WR1 upside. That being said, with how top heavy certain positions are this year I could see why the Giants would prefer to use their picks at those areas. For example, if the Giants could trade for Aiyuk they might have more flexibility to trade out of 6 if a QB they like is not there and still get someone like Fuaga, Quinyon Mitchell, etc.
and gets a "little" luck, he can advance this rebuild pretty quickly! We've seen this with other organizations, about time it happens to NYG. Aiyuk, when paired with Hyatt and Robinson, would give NY a formidable WR room, and Slayton would be a good #4. I'm not in favor of paying big dollars for a WR now, BUT if this is Schoen's best play to upgrade the WR room AFTER getting his new QB, then I understand it.
is that in a draft full of top WR prospects, the same year return for a Veteran WR would be less. Meaning, the 49ers may have to take more future return than 2024 return.
So a 3-5th rd pick this year and a conditional next year could be on the table..
While I think 70 would be a starting point, I believe 47 and conditional next year would end up doing it. At 47 we might not have options for WR1 upside guys. I see Franklin, Leggette, Mitchell, Pearsall and others going end of rd1 and early rd2. The pickings are likely to be slim for wr at 47 if you closely observe the wr needy teams ahead of us (Jacksonville, Pittsburgh, Carolina, Washington, Buffalo, Indianapolis, Cincinnati, Arizona, Baltimore, SF, KC, NE, LAC. I see a high likelihood of around 15 WRs taken before our pick 47.
RE: RE: RE: I think a lot of people are severely underestimating
His first two years he was under 1000 yards, but he was catching balls from CJ Beathard, Trey Lance, Nick Mullens and some Jimmy G.
Since SF has put a decent QB on the field two years ago he's averaging 1200 yards and 7.5 TDs a season. That's with CMC, Deebo & Kittle taking touches away from him.
He's got good numbers on a lot less targets than the other top WRs in the NFL. Here are the number of targets for the top WRs in the NFL over the last two years. What would his numbers look like with those extra 100 targets? He's also missing out on a ton of RZ targets due to CMC.
Tyreek - 341 (Missed 1 game)
Lamb - 337
Jefferson - 284 (Missed 7 games in 2023)
St. Brown - 310 (Missed 2 games)
AJ Brown - 303
Aiyuk - 219
I can't imagine we'd be giving up a 1st rounder for him though.
Fair points, but he’s also had CMC, Deebo and Kittle taking defensive attention away from him too. How will he handle being the top dog and a focus of opposing D’s?
I like Aiyuk, but I hate giving up a high pick for him, given that he will need to be paid. As others have noted, he’s had maturity issues in the past, how will he handle a big payday?
I’d rather use a high pick to move up to grab a WR and a QB in the draft.
I'm under the assumption we'd only be trading for Aiyuk if we got a QB in the 1st round. So then you ask yourself would you rather have Aiyuk or a 2nd round WR. The answer to that should be pretty easy.
I'd prefer the rookie and cap space over the vet and high salary. This is a very good WR class. The wise move helps the team and the cap.
His first two years he was under 1000 yards, but he was catching balls from CJ Beathard, Trey Lance, Nick Mullens and some Jimmy G.
Since SF has put a decent QB on the field two years ago he's averaging 1200 yards and 7.5 TDs a season. That's with CMC, Deebo & Kittle taking touches away from him.
He's got good numbers on a lot less targets than the other top WRs in the NFL. Here are the number of targets for the top WRs in the NFL over the last two years. What would his numbers look like with those extra 100 targets? He's also missing out on a ton of RZ targets due to CMC.
Tyreek - 341 (Missed 1 game)
Lamb - 337
Jefferson - 284 (Missed 7 games in 2023)
St. Brown - 310 (Missed 2 games)
AJ Brown - 303
Aiyuk - 219
I can't imagine we'd be giving up a 1st rounder for him though.
Fair points, but he’s also had CMC, Deebo and Kittle taking defensive attention away from him too. How will he handle being the top dog and a focus of opposing D’s?
I like Aiyuk, but I hate giving up a high pick for him, given that he will need to be paid. As others have noted, he’s had maturity issues in the past, how will he handle a big payday?
I’d rather use a high pick to move up to grab a WR and a QB in the draft.
I'm under the assumption we'd only be trading for Aiyuk if we got a QB in the 1st round. So then you ask yourself would you rather have Aiyuk or a 2nd round WR. The answer to that should be pretty easy.
I'd prefer the rookie and cap space over the vet and high salary. This is a very good WR class. The wise move helps the team and the cap.
See my comment above, we will very likely not have wr1 potential guys at 47.
His first two years he was under 1000 yards, but he was catching balls from CJ Beathard, Trey Lance, Nick Mullens and some Jimmy G.
Since SF has put a decent QB on the field two years ago he's averaging 1200 yards and 7.5 TDs a season. That's with CMC, Deebo & Kittle taking touches away from him.
He's got good numbers on a lot less targets than the other top WRs in the NFL. Here are the number of targets for the top WRs in the NFL over the last two years. What would his numbers look like with those extra 100 targets? He's also missing out on a ton of RZ targets due to CMC.
Tyreek - 341 (Missed 1 game)
Lamb - 337
Jefferson - 284 (Missed 7 games in 2023)
St. Brown - 310 (Missed 2 games)
AJ Brown - 303
Aiyuk - 219
I can't imagine we'd be giving up a 1st rounder for him though.
Fair points, but he’s also had CMC, Deebo and Kittle taking defensive attention away from him too. How will he handle being the top dog and a focus of opposing D’s?
I like Aiyuk, but I hate giving up a high pick for him, given that he will need to be paid. As others have noted, he’s had maturity issues in the past, how will he handle a big payday?
I’d rather use a high pick to move up to grab a WR and a QB in the draft.
I'm under the assumption we'd only be trading for Aiyuk if we got a QB in the 1st round. So then you ask yourself would you rather have Aiyuk or a 2nd round WR. The answer to that should be pretty easy.
I'd prefer the rookie and cap space over the vet and high salary. This is a very good WR class. The wise move helps the team and the cap.
At 47 we would likely be looking at wrs rated 75 and below on Sy's grading for instance. 47 would be cb or dl or rb after a lot of wrs go before pick 47.
I’m not sure what you are watching. Give him a full dose of #1 targets and he’s putting up 100/1500/10.
Just look at how he's thrived in games without Debo. 31 receptions for 390 yards in the 4 games without Debo last year. That's 124 receptions for 1560 yards over a 16 game season.
and a conditional 2/3 next year based on performance targets does not get this done considering the contract we would need to give him.
I agree. It would be similar to the Burns trade. 49ers can't sign him long term. They need to trade him before the draft if they want to get maximum value and a pick this year to move forward.
RE: RE: RE: RE: I think a lot of people are severely underestimating
His first two years he was under 1000 yards, but he was catching balls from CJ Beathard, Trey Lance, Nick Mullens and some Jimmy G.
Since SF has put a decent QB on the field two years ago he's averaging 1200 yards and 7.5 TDs a season. That's with CMC, Deebo & Kittle taking touches away from him.
He's got good numbers on a lot less targets than the other top WRs in the NFL. Here are the number of targets for the top WRs in the NFL over the last two years. What would his numbers look like with those extra 100 targets? He's also missing out on a ton of RZ targets due to CMC.
Tyreek - 341 (Missed 1 game)
Lamb - 337
Jefferson - 284 (Missed 7 games in 2023)
St. Brown - 310 (Missed 2 games)
AJ Brown - 303
Aiyuk - 219
I can't imagine we'd be giving up a 1st rounder for him though.
Fair points, but he’s also had CMC, Deebo and Kittle taking defensive attention away from him too. How will he handle being the top dog and a focus of opposing D’s?
I like Aiyuk, but I hate giving up a high pick for him, given that he will need to be paid. As others have noted, he’s had maturity issues in the past, how will he handle a big payday?
I’d rather use a high pick to move up to grab a WR and a QB in the draft.
I'm under the assumption we'd only be trading for Aiyuk if we got a QB in the 1st round. So then you ask yourself would you rather have Aiyuk or a 2nd round WR. The answer to that should be pretty easy.
I'd prefer the rookie and cap space over the vet and high salary. This is a very good WR class. The wise move helps the team and the cap.
This is when we should be loading up on good young players that can continue to improve. We are about to have DJ off the books and have a QB on a rookie contract.
I'd much rather have a proven #1 WR that's expensive than taking a guy like Legette/Pearsall just because they are cheap.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: I think a lot of people are severely underestimating
His first two years he was under 1000 yards, but he was catching balls from CJ Beathard, Trey Lance, Nick Mullens and some Jimmy G.
Since SF has put a decent QB on the field two years ago he's averaging 1200 yards and 7.5 TDs a season. That's with CMC, Deebo & Kittle taking touches away from him.
He's got good numbers on a lot less targets than the other top WRs in the NFL. Here are the number of targets for the top WRs in the NFL over the last two years. What would his numbers look like with those extra 100 targets? He's also missing out on a ton of RZ targets due to CMC.
Tyreek - 341 (Missed 1 game)
Lamb - 337
Jefferson - 284 (Missed 7 games in 2023)
St. Brown - 310 (Missed 2 games)
AJ Brown - 303
Aiyuk - 219
I can't imagine we'd be giving up a 1st rounder for him though.
Fair points, but he’s also had CMC, Deebo and Kittle taking defensive attention away from him too. How will he handle being the top dog and a focus of opposing D’s?
I like Aiyuk, but I hate giving up a high pick for him, given that he will need to be paid. As others have noted, he’s had maturity issues in the past, how will he handle a big payday?
I’d rather use a high pick to move up to grab a WR and a QB in the draft.
I'm under the assumption we'd only be trading for Aiyuk if we got a QB in the 1st round. So then you ask yourself would you rather have Aiyuk or a 2nd round WR. The answer to that should be pretty easy.
I'd prefer the rookie and cap space over the vet and high salary. This is a very good WR class. The wise move helps the team and the cap.
This is when we should be loading up on good young players that can continue to improve. We are about to have DJ off the books and have a QB on a rookie contract.
I'd much rather have a proven #1 WR that's expensive than taking a guy like Legette/Pearsall just because they are cheap.
Plus those guys are very unlikely to last until pick 47. Pick 47 bpa will very likelh not align with WR.
QB in the 1st if this is the case. This actually worries me a bit. This team has so many holes and you may potentially have to give up assets for not only Aiyuk but to move up for a QB as well.
and Higgins were two I would have been very happy for the Giants to land. Dunno how it'll work out, but imagining a scenario where they draft Nabers, trade for Aiyuk and get one of Penix or Nix would completely revamp the offense. There's so many possibilities in this draft I just want it to happen already.
QB in the 1st if this is the case. This actually worries me a bit. This team has so many holes and you may potentially have to give up assets for not only Aiyuk but to move up for a QB as well.
Yeah we have a lot of holes but if the QB hits and Aiyuk makes our WR core legit plus a solid defense then we are going to be competing for the playoffs. Plenty of time to fill those holes from now until 2029.
as long as it doesn’t involve next years 1st. I agree that 47 and a future pick that maybe escalates based on playing time can get it done. Not really worried about Schoen giving the farm, doesn’t seem likely.
Except it’ll be at the same time you’re paying whatever rookie you take this year or next.
Trading for Aiyuk you’re getting a better player now, who will be off the books when you pay your rookie QB and then you can replace him with a rookie WR.
It’s the perfect time to add a big money proven wide receiver who is still in his prime.
At 47 aren’t as great as people want to believe. At 6 it’s probably even a 50-50 chance Nabers or Odunze are as good or better than Aiyuk
I think most people would agree...but then you have the money factor.
That's where the rookie qb contract is such a jackpot in the NFL. We would have 4 years of paying the QB 5-6.5 million per year. Thus we could have Burns, Aiyuk and Maye for the price of about DJ+Waller.
third, I would do it assuming it means the Giants know they will get a top QB at 6 (or via trade up). I would hate the deal if it doesn't come with us drafting one of the top QB prospects.
Have to wonder if the depth of this WR draft plus the fact that he wants $25M/yr sinks his trade value a bit.
If they can get him for #47, I’m on board.
Though I will say they should at least wait until draft day…trading for Aiyuk would make QB a near certainty at 6…but don’t want to telegraph it as Minnesota, Denver are lurking…
CHP, all is good, chaotic and mega busy and my son is almost 5 already! Good to hear from you. Think QB hinges on Maye being there at #3 with Daniels gone at #2. Don't think they go QB at #6 otherwise, but would think they'll try to trade up from #47 with picks from next year.
Glad to hear...heart is in Pine Bush and Montgomery.
Almost 5!! Time to start grooming him for Jints and Rangers' Blue?? Already underway!!
How they gonna pry Maye from the Pats?
Was Mara with Kraft in the strip club?
I’m not sure what you are watching. Give him a full dose of #1 targets and he’s putting up 100/1500/10.
I see Aiyuk in the space between a WR1 and a WR2. Very good player, but nothing very special. He highly doubt he scares the piss out of DCs like a Hill or Jefferson.
But I'm not going to try to dissuade you if you think he's a true WR1.
However, I keep going back to the fact, and it is a fact, that the WR pipeline from college is pretty damn reliable YoY. Which means Aiyuk-types are going to be available and at a much cheaper rate.
I'd rather risk finding that Aiyuk-type in the draft than paying a huge nut for the actual Aiyuk.
I’m not sure what you are watching. Give him a full dose of #1 targets and he’s putting up 100/1500/10.
I see Aiyuk in the space between a WR1 and a WR2. Very good player, but nothing very special. He highly doubt he scares the piss out of DCs like a Hill or Jefferson.
But I'm not going to try to dissuade you if you think he's a true WR1.
However, I keep going back to the fact, and it is a fact, that the WR pipeline from college is pretty damn reliable YoY. Which means Aiyuk-types are going to be available and at a much cheaper rate.
I'd rather risk finding that Aiyuk-type in the draft than paying a huge nut for the actual Aiyuk.
I’m not sure what you are watching. Give him a full dose of #1 targets and he’s putting up 100/1500/10.
I see Aiyuk in the space between a WR1 and a WR2. Very good player, but nothing very special. He highly doubt he scares the piss out of DCs like a Hill or Jefferson.
But I'm not going to try to dissuade you if you think he's a true WR1.
However, I keep going back to the fact, and it is a fact, that the WR pipeline from college is pretty damn reliable YoY. Which means Aiyuk-types are going to be available and at a much cheaper rate.
I'd rather risk finding that Aiyuk-type in the draft than paying a huge nut for the actual Aiyuk.
Just because he isn't top 5, doesn't mean he isn't a WR1.
I hear what you are saying about the college pipeline for WRs, but you still have the very real bust potential for anyone coming out of the draft. With a rookie QB (hopefully) coming in, I much prefer to overpay to eliminate that risk at WR. With a veteran QB I would not make this move. To me this is a move you make for a rookie.
Give the rookie every chance to succeed with a proven talent than have two rookies try to figure it out together.
I’m not sure what you are watching. Give him a full dose of #1 targets and he’s putting up 100/1500/10.
I see Aiyuk in the space between a WR1 and a WR2. Very good player, but nothing very special. He highly doubt he scares the piss out of DCs like a Hill or Jefferson.
But I'm not going to try to dissuade you if you think he's a true WR1.
However, I keep going back to the fact, and it is a fact, that the WR pipeline from college is pretty damn reliable YoY. Which means Aiyuk-types are going to be available and at a much cheaper rate.
I'd rather risk finding that Aiyuk-type in the draft than paying a huge nut for the actual Aiyuk.
PFFs 2nd rated receiver:
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2. BRANDON AIYUK, SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS: 91.5
The 49ers' top wide receiver in 2023, Aiyuk was one of only three wideouts to average more than 3.00 yards per route run in the regular season, with his 3.01 mark ranking third at the position. He finished the year with just two drops from 86 catchable targets.
Missed 1 game in the past 3 years? Chase, Jefferson, Hill, Brown, and then who else is in tier 1 WR1? Aiyuk is definitively in the tier after the elite upper echelon wr1s and he is a wr1, not somewhere in between wr1 and wr2. There's no comparison between Aiyuk and say Tee Higgins (even if Higgins could stay healthy).
I hear what you are saying about the college pipeline for WRs, but you still have the very real bust potential for anyone coming out of the draft. With a rookie QB (hopefully) coming in, I much prefer to overpay to eliminate that risk at WR. With a veteran QB I would not make this move. To me this is a move you make for a rookie.
Give the rookie every chance to succeed with a proven talent than have two rookies try to figure it out together.
Exactly, I know you love Maye bw. You don't want to get him a security blanket wr1 whom pairs perfectly with Wandale. Hyatt and Slayton? Then I guess you don't want to give Maye the best chance to succeed?
I’m not sure what you are watching. Give him a full dose of #1 targets and he’s putting up 100/1500/10.
I see Aiyuk in the space between a WR1 and a WR2. Very good player, but nothing very special. He highly doubt he scares the piss out of DCs like a Hill or Jefferson.
But I'm not going to try to dissuade you if you think he's a true WR1.
However, I keep going back to the fact, and it is a fact, that the WR pipeline from college is pretty damn reliable YoY. Which means Aiyuk-types are going to be available and at a much cheaper rate.
I'd rather risk finding that Aiyuk-type in the draft than paying a huge nut for the actual Aiyuk.
I am mostly of this mind too, but I think the x-factor is how much a vet alpha in the WR room can help a rookie along. Schoen saw it in Buffalo with Diggs launching Allen's development to new levels. I wonder if they want that influence from the get-go and not two rooks figuring things out.
I'm not sure I can. Aiyuk is probably in the 8-12 range with a bunch of other WRs who are very similar in skill. Skill that, again, I don't find very special.
Like I said to UConn, I won't begrudge anyone feeling that Aiyuk is a WR1. I get the proven asset POV.
I just don't like the acquisition costs when I trust the annual supply coming in from college.
but Aiyuk is awesome. He definitely fits the mold of WR that Daboll loves. If we do get him, he'll quickly become a fan favorite. I don't think the average fan knows how good he is.
In comment 16472403 bw in dc said:
[quote] In comment 16472376 BleedBlue46 said:
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Name 15 wrs better.
I'm not sure I can. Aiyuk is probably in the 8-12 range with a bunch of other WRs who are very similar in skill. Skill that, again, I don't find very special.
Like I said to UConn, I won't begrudge anyone feeling that Aiyuk is a WR1. I get the proven asset POV.
I just don't like the acquisition costs when I trust the annual supply coming in from college. [/quote
So, hypothetically speaking You'd rather take your chances in the draft for Maye to get a security blanket receiver vs. Trading say pick 47 and a conditional 3rd in 2025 draft? I don't think anyone is suggesting he's a top 5 elite wr, otherwise the trade price would be like the Tyreek Hill trade. I wouldn't do this unless we had a definitive plan in place for a QB in this draft (likely Maye according to all the reports here). If you only consider wr1s to be the top5 wrs in the NFL, then sure he isn't a wr1. I think there is a much wider range than that though. Any WR that is the top option for an offense demanding the top cb and some doubles yet still produces well is a wr1 in my book. Im surprised you wouldn't want this for your boy Maye to have the best situation possible. Spend draft picks on our other holes and give Maye the most high percentages chance to thrive (which means Aiyuk>a mid 2nd rd receiver likely after the top 10-15 receivers are taken).
I doubt the 49ers take anything less than a 1st. I am not giving the 6th pick for him. Especially since we would have to pay him 25-30 mil a year.
Stay at 6 take either Nabers or Odunze and we get them for 5 years on a rookie deal.
Agreed.
Let's see..AJ Brown was a top 5 wr and traded for pick 18 and pick 101. Tyreek Hill was traded to Miami for five draft picks — 2022 first-, second-, and fourth-round picks as well as 2023 fourth- and sixth-round picks (and Miami was definitively picking after 20 in rd1). Why would Aiyuk get more than pick 47 and a 2025 conditional 3rd? Pick 47 and a 2025 2nd for Aiyuk, pick 18 and 101 for a younger and better Aj Brown, no one is giving a #1 for him besides maybe the Bills and I don't think he fits in their cap plans.
I’m not sure what you are watching. Give him a full dose of #1 targets and he’s putting up 100/1500/10.
I see Aiyuk in the space between a WR1 and a WR2. Very good player, but nothing very special. He highly doubt he scares the piss out of DCs like a Hill or Jefferson.
But I'm not going to try to dissuade you if you think he's a true WR1.
However, I keep going back to the fact, and it is a fact, that the WR pipeline from college is pretty damn reliable YoY. Which means Aiyuk-types are going to be available and at a much cheaper rate.
I'd rather risk finding that Aiyuk-type in the draft than paying a huge nut for the actual Aiyuk.
I’m not sure what you are watching. Give him a full dose of #1 targets and he’s putting up 100/1500/10.
I see Aiyuk in the space between a WR1 and a WR2. Very good player, but nothing very special. He highly doubt he scares the piss out of DCs like a Hill or Jefferson.
But I'm not going to try to dissuade you if you think he's a true WR1.
However, I keep going back to the fact, and it is a fact, that the WR pipeline from college is pretty damn reliable YoY. Which means Aiyuk-types are going to be available and at a much cheaper rate.
I'd rather risk finding that Aiyuk-type in the draft than paying a huge nut for the actual Aiyuk.
I doubt the 49ers take anything less than a 1st. I am not giving the 6th pick for him. Especially since we would have to pay him 25-30 mil a year.
Stay at 6 take either Nabers or Odunze and we get them for 5 years on a rookie deal.
Agreed.
Let's see..AJ Brown was a top 5 wr and traded for pick 18 and pick 101. Tyreek Hill was traded to Miami for five draft picks — 2022 first-, second-, and fourth-round picks as well as 2023 fourth- and sixth-round picks (and Miami was definitively picking after 20 in rd1). Why would Aiyuk get more than pick 47 and a 2025 conditional 3rd? Pick 47 and a 2025 2nd for Aiyuk, pick 18 and 101 for a younger and better Aj Brown, no one is giving a #1 for him besides maybe the Bills and I don't think he fits in their cap plans.
It's not just the draft capital, it's the contract we'd have to give him. I'd rather have MHJ, Nabers, or Odunze on a rookie contract.
Constantly trading premium picks for expensive players is a bad way to build a team IMO. It shows a lack of confidence in scouting. I can understand doing it for Burns because we had a crying need for another DE, who will only make KT more effective, had an extra second round pick, and got him for a lot less than the two firsts and a second that the Rams apparently offered Carolina. I can also understand in some cases doing it for a QB. But the better decision in this case is to simply draft one of the "big three" WRs. At least one is guaranteed to be available at #6.
I doubt the 49ers take anything less than a 1st. I am not giving the 6th pick for him. Especially since we would have to pay him 25-30 mil a year.
Stay at 6 take either Nabers or Odunze and we get them for 5 years on a rookie deal.
Agreed.
Let's see..AJ Brown was a top 5 wr and traded for pick 18 and pick 101. Tyreek Hill was traded to Miami for five draft picks — 2022 first-, second-, and fourth-round picks as well as 2023 fourth- and sixth-round picks (and Miami was definitively picking after 20 in rd1). Why would Aiyuk get more than pick 47 and a 2025 conditional 3rd? Pick 47 and a 2025 2nd for Aiyuk, pick 18 and 101 for a younger and better Aj Brown, no one is giving a #1 for him besides maybe the Bills and I don't think he fits in their cap plans.
Diggs was traded to the Bills for pick 22, 5th 6th and future 4th. He was then a top 5 wr too
I doubt the 49ers take anything less than a 1st. I am not giving the 6th pick for him. Especially since we would have to pay him 25-30 mil a year.
Stay at 6 take either Nabers or Odunze and we get them for 5 years on a rookie deal.
Agreed.
Let's see..AJ Brown was a top 5 wr and traded for pick 18 and pick 101. Tyreek Hill was traded to Miami for five draft picks — 2022 first-, second-, and fourth-round picks as well as 2023 fourth- and sixth-round picks (and Miami was definitively picking after 20 in rd1). Why would Aiyuk get more than pick 47 and a 2025 conditional 3rd? Pick 47 and a 2025 2nd for Aiyuk, pick 18 and 101 for a younger and better Aj Brown, no one is giving a #1 for him besides maybe the Bills and I don't think he fits in their cap plans.
It's not just the draft capital, it's the contract we'd have to give him. I'd rather have MHJ, Nabers, or Odunze on a rookie contract.
Constantly trading premium picks for expensive players is a bad way to build a team IMO. It shows a lack of confidence in scouting. I can understand doing it for Burns because we had a crying need for another DE, who will only make KT more effective, had an extra second round pick, and got him for a lot less than the two firsts and a second that the Rams apparently offered Carolina. I can also understand in some cases doing it for a QB. But the better decision in this case is to simply draft one of the "big three" WRs. At least one is guaranteed to be available at #6.
This trade would never be done if pick 6 wasn't being used for a QB. So, that's not really valid. I don't think anyone would argue we should trade for Aiyuk if pick 6 isn't used for a QB.
Rickey just said Giants talking to Niners unless I’m reading it wrong
Not that a trade is happening. He said he expects to be traded, not sure to who and other teams interested. Joe Schoen is doing his due diligence like most GMs say. You always check in. Talking is one thing, in serious negotiations is another.
I would only think this would remotely happen if the Giants use the 47th pick (plus others) to trade up from 6 to get a QB and want to make sure to give him a good vet WR to help him right away.. So this trade would happen post draft.
That being said, I think this would be a terrible move.
1) He says he wants to build through the draft. He already traded a 2 & 5 for Burns. Most likely it also means he traded up for a QB using more picks. Now he’s going to trade more, most likely next years picks too to get him?
2) Aiyuk isn’t a #1 WR. Is he good? Yes. But he’s not a top WR. So you’re going to trade picks plus pay him top dollar? Hell no. There’s so many good WR is this draft and pretty much every draft, it’s not worth it to use picks and pay him. He’s not a premier player. Hes a guy that you can easily replace in the draft. No need to trade for a guy like him.
So Penix, or perhaps Nix, is in play now in a possible trade down? Hmm, let's see the packages involved first, but if true, I'm seriously digging Schoen's out-of-the-box mind at the helm. As an aside though, I think Aiyuk has one more year on his current deal... caveat emptor?
But great? He has never even made a pro bowl in five years in the league! And why would someone easily disgruntled playing on a Super Bowl team with a top tier offense want to come here? This sounds like a lot of the same arguments we heard several years ago about Kenny Golladay. "Just wait and see - he will make the leap and become a pro bowl player when he comes here!"
Like Golladay, the only motivating factor for Aiyuk coming here would be getting a guaranteed contract at top of market. And like Golladay, that motivation will be gone the day after he signs that contract. No thanks.
But great? He has never even made a pro bowl in five years in the league! And why would someone easily disgruntled playing on a Super Bowl team with a top tier offense want to come here? This sounds like a lot of the same arguments we heard several years ago about Kenny Golladay. "Just wait and see - he will make the leap and become a pro bowl player when he comes here!"
Like Golladay, the only motivating factor for Aiyuk coming here would be getting a guaranteed contract at top of market. And like Golladay, that motivation will be gone the day after he signs that contract. No thanks.
He has pro bowl numbers with the appropriate target share. It’s a weird criteria to have given his circumstance. As for pay, yeah he knows he’s not getting it from SF and what’s out, that’s pretty normal in today’s NFL. He’s also an ascending player, completely different from Golladay, not remotely comparable.
If he’s difficult to work with as JonC mentions, that changes things. But neither of us have a clue about that.
I doubt the 49ers take anything less than a 1st. I am not giving the 6th pick for him. Especially since we would have to pay him 25-30 mil a year.
Stay at 6 take either Nabers or Odunze and we get them for 5 years on a rookie deal.
Agreed.
Let's see..AJ Brown was a top 5 wr and traded for pick 18 and pick 101. Tyreek Hill was traded to Miami for five draft picks — 2022 first-, second-, and fourth-round picks as well as 2023 fourth- and sixth-round picks (and Miami was definitively picking after 20 in rd1). Why would Aiyuk get more than pick 47 and a 2025 conditional 3rd? Pick 47 and a 2025 2nd for Aiyuk, pick 18 and 101 for a younger and better Aj Brown, no one is giving a #1 for him besides maybe the Bills and I don't think he fits in their cap plans.
It's not just the draft capital, it's the contract we'd have to give him. I'd rather have MHJ, Nabers, or Odunze on a rookie contract.
Constantly trading premium picks for expensive players is a bad way to build a team IMO. It shows a lack of confidence in scouting. I can understand doing it for Burns because we had a crying need for another DE, who will only make KT more effective, had an extra second round pick, and got him for a lot less than the two firsts and a second that the Rams apparently offered Carolina. I can also understand in some cases doing it for a QB. But the better decision in this case is to simply draft one of the "big three" WRs. At least one is guaranteed to be available at #6.
This trade would never be done if pick 6 wasn't being used for a QB. So, that's not really valid. I don't think anyone would argue we should trade for Aiyuk if pick 6 isn't used for a QB.
I wouldn't trade for Aiyuk even if we do use pick #6 for a QB, either at that slot or as part of a trade package to trade up. We already have Slayton, Robinson, and Hyatt, and can add a near "sure thing" WR at #6 for a fraction of what it would cost to pay Aiyuk.
I doubt the 49ers take anything less than a 1st. I am not giving the 6th pick for him. Especially since we would have to pay him 25-30 mil a year.
Stay at 6 take either Nabers or Odunze and we get them for 5 years on a rookie deal.
Agreed.
Let's see..AJ Brown was a top 5 wr and traded for pick 18 and pick 101. Tyreek Hill was traded to Miami for five draft picks — 2022 first-, second-, and fourth-round picks as well as 2023 fourth- and sixth-round picks (and Miami was definitively picking after 20 in rd1). Why would Aiyuk get more than pick 47 and a 2025 conditional 3rd? Pick 47 and a 2025 2nd for Aiyuk, pick 18 and 101 for a younger and better Aj Brown, no one is giving a #1 for him besides maybe the Bills and I don't think he fits in their cap plans.
It's not just the draft capital, it's the contract we'd have to give him. I'd rather have MHJ, Nabers, or Odunze on a rookie contract.
Constantly trading premium picks for expensive players is a bad way to build a team IMO. It shows a lack of confidence in scouting. I can understand doing it for Burns because we had a crying need for another DE, who will only make KT more effective, had an extra second round pick, and got him for a lot less than the two firsts and a second that the Rams apparently offered Carolina. I can also understand in some cases doing it for a QB. But the better decision in this case is to simply draft one of the "big three" WRs. At least one is guaranteed to be available at #6.
This trade would never be done if pick 6 wasn't being used for a QB. So, that's not really valid. I don't think anyone would argue we should trade for Aiyuk if pick 6 isn't used for a QB.
I wouldn't trade for Aiyuk even if we do use pick #6 for a QB, either at that slot or as part of a trade package to trade up. We already have Slayton, Robinson, and Hyatt, and can add a near "sure thing" WR at #6 for a fraction of what it would cost to pay Aiyuk.
How can you add a QB at 6 and then draft a WR at 6 for a fraction of the cost. I mean if that is possible sign me up!
I'm not sure this locks in that the Giants are going QB
The Giants could easily think they are nailing down a No. 1 WR with their 2nd and pick OT to solidify the line, so that Jones has weapons and protection.
I know that's not what most want, but it is plausible.
I doubt the 49ers take anything less than a 1st. I am not giving the 6th pick for him. Especially since we would have to pay him 25-30 mil a year.
Stay at 6 take either Nabers or Odunze and we get them for 5 years on a rookie deal.
Agreed.
Let's see..AJ Brown was a top 5 wr and traded for pick 18 and pick 101. Tyreek Hill was traded to Miami for five draft picks — 2022 first-, second-, and fourth-round picks as well as 2023 fourth- and sixth-round picks (and Miami was definitively picking after 20 in rd1). Why would Aiyuk get more than pick 47 and a 2025 conditional 3rd? Pick 47 and a 2025 2nd for Aiyuk, pick 18 and 101 for a younger and better Aj Brown, no one is giving a #1 for him besides maybe the Bills and I don't think he fits in their cap plans.
It's not just the draft capital, it's the contract we'd have to give him. I'd rather have MHJ, Nabers, or Odunze on a rookie contract.
Constantly trading premium picks for expensive players is a bad way to build a team IMO. It shows a lack of confidence in scouting. I can understand doing it for Burns because we had a crying need for another DE, who will only make KT more effective, had an extra second round pick, and got him for a lot less than the two firsts and a second that the Rams apparently offered Carolina. I can also understand in some cases doing it for a QB. But the better decision in this case is to simply draft one of the "big three" WRs. At least one is guaranteed to be available at #6.
This trade would never be done if pick 6 wasn't being used for a QB. So, that's not really valid. I don't think anyone would argue we should trade for Aiyuk if pick 6 isn't used for a QB.
I wouldn't trade for Aiyuk even if we do use pick #6 for a QB, either at that slot or as part of a trade package to trade up. We already have Slayton, Robinson, and Hyatt, and can add a near "sure thing" WR at #6 for a fraction of what it would cost to pay Aiyuk.
How can you add a QB at 6 and then draft a WR at 6 for a fraction of the cost. I mean if that is possible sign me up!
Yeah, sorry. That was not well stated. Obviously, I meant if we don't draft a QB at #6 then we can add one of the "big three" at a fraction of the cost of trading for Aiyuk.
Aiyuk, Nabers, Robinson, Hyatt and if Jones still couldn't get it done?
I know a lot of people are going to say this and blast him like always, but in fairness, he’s never had anything remotely close to that level of talent when he’s played. Over the hill Golden Tate, Golladay, Slayton who at the time almost got cut, Collin Johnson, Sills, Hodgins, Ritchie James etc. Basically practice squad players that aren’t in the league right now.
In 2022 Richie James led the Giants in receiving. Last year with Mahomes and a Chiefs team desperate for WR help James had 10 catches on the year.
Now before people blast me I’m not saying DJ would be good, but to be fair & honest he’s had nowhere near that quality of weapons before. He’s had the worst surrounding cast including OLine in the NFL since he’s been playing.
I know it sounds like I’m making excuses, all I’m saying is to be fair & honest he’s had nowhere near that kind of talent before.
Yeah, sorry. That was not well stated. Obviously, I meant if we don't draft a QB at #6 then we can add one of the "big three" at a fraction of the cost of trading for Aiyuk.
No sorry I was just teasing. I think Aiyuk is only on the board for us if we go QB at pick 6. I don't think we get Aiyuk if we don't get that QB.
I doubt the 49ers take anything less than a 1st. I am not giving the 6th pick for him. Especially since we would have to pay him 25-30 mil a year.
Stay at 6 take either Nabers or Odunze and we get them for 5 years on a rookie deal.
Agreed.
Let's see..AJ Brown was a top 5 wr and traded for pick 18 and pick 101. Tyreek Hill was traded to Miami for five draft picks — 2022 first-, second-, and fourth-round picks as well as 2023 fourth- and sixth-round picks (and Miami was definitively picking after 20 in rd1). Why would Aiyuk get more than pick 47 and a 2025 conditional 3rd? Pick 47 and a 2025 2nd for Aiyuk, pick 18 and 101 for a younger and better Aj Brown, no one is giving a #1 for him besides maybe the Bills and I don't think he fits in their cap plans.
AJ Brown wasn't a top 5 WR when he was traded. Diggs wasn't really either. It was after their trades they turned into top star WRs. Lets look at the WRs being talked about here before and after their trades.
I doubt the 49ers take anything less than a 1st. I am not giving the 6th pick for him. Especially since we would have to pay him 25-30 mil a year.
Stay at 6 take either Nabers or Odunze and we get them for 5 years on a rookie deal.
Agreed.
Let's see..AJ Brown was a top 5 wr and traded for pick 18 and pick 101. Tyreek Hill was traded to Miami for five draft picks — 2022 first-, second-, and fourth-round picks as well as 2023 fourth- and sixth-round picks (and Miami was definitively picking after 20 in rd1). Why would Aiyuk get more than pick 47 and a 2025 conditional 3rd? Pick 47 and a 2025 2nd for Aiyuk, pick 18 and 101 for a younger and better Aj Brown, no one is giving a #1 for him besides maybe the Bills and I don't think he fits in their cap plans.
AJ Brown wasn't a top 5 WR when he was traded. Diggs wasn't really either. It was after their trades they turned into top star WRs. Lets look at the WRs being talked about here before and after their trades.
I see Aiyuk in the space between a WR1 and a WR2. Very good player, but nothing very special. He highly doubt he scares the piss out of DCs like a Hill or Jefferson.
But I'm not going to try to dissuade you if you think he's a true WR1.
However, I keep going back to the fact, and it is a fact, that the WR pipeline from college is pretty damn reliable YoY. Which means Aiyuk-types are going to be available and at a much cheaper rate.
I'd rather risk finding that Aiyuk-type in the draft than paying a huge nut for the actual Aiyuk.
He's easily WR1 on the Giants.
I cede that point.
I just don't think it's wise to pay nearly $30M AAV for a WR who is very good, not great (as I see it).
I see Aiyuk in the space between a WR1 and a WR2. Very good player, but nothing very special. He highly doubt he scares the piss out of DCs like a Hill or Jefferson.
But I'm not going to try to dissuade you if you think he's a true WR1.
However, I keep going back to the fact, and it is a fact, that the WR pipeline from college is pretty damn reliable YoY. Which means Aiyuk-types are going to be available and at a much cheaper rate.
I'd rather risk finding that Aiyuk-type in the draft than paying a huge nut for the actual Aiyuk.
He's easily WR1 on the Giants.
I cede that point.
I just don't think it's wise to pay nearly $30M AAV for a WR who is very good, not great (as I see it).
I would imagine 25aav like D. Smith got seems comprable.
BW - yards per game is one of the most reliable stats predictively
there is no way to fake yardage as a WR, especially with a good YPC. either you are making guys miss, running by people, or making great catches downfield.
Aiyuk is a bona-fide stud whose upside may be even higher on higher volume. Look at his catch rate and YPC. Factoring in age, there are only about 10 players on that list i'd rather have than him.
a lot like Burns i expect there would be a team willing to give up a first round pick for him even with a big contract, but if not sign me up for a 2nd.
So, hypothetically speaking You'd rather take your chances in the draft for Maye to get a security blanket receiver vs. Trading say pick 47 and a conditional 3rd in 2025 draft? I don't think anyone is suggesting he's a top 5 elite wr, otherwise the trade price would be like the Tyreek Hill trade. I wouldn't do this unless we had a definitive plan in place for a QB in this draft (likely Maye according to all the reports here). If you only consider wr1s to be the top5 wrs in the NFL, then sure he isn't a wr1. I think there is a much wider range than that though. Any WR that is the top option for an offense demanding the top cb and some doubles yet still produces well is a wr1 in my book. Im surprised you wouldn't want this for your boy Maye to have the best situation possible. Spend draft picks on our other holes and give Maye the most high percentages chance to thrive (which means Aiyuk>a mid 2nd rd receiver likely after the top 10-15 receivers are taken).
At the place where this team is currently, yes, I would prefer to take my chances with Maye and cheaper, younger options.
A move for a player like Aiyuk seems like a move for a team in win-now mode looking for a final piece.
Aiyuk will cost more $ than Smith - he is 1 year closer to UFA
Then I’m all for it. That seems very unlikely though. The move would make a QB seem likely at 6 but if 4 or 5 QBs happened to be gone, can you imagine pairing MHJ or Nabers with Aiyuk? The WR group would go from joke to elite overnight. But I’m sure plenty of teams are interested and someone will give SF a first rounder, if this is true.
If the Giants are planning on going qb at 6 or trading up, then I can
to pay him? I like him, but not that much. Not sure I really see him as a #1.
Could be another draft ploy to make it seem, as many of you have already speculated, that the Giants are going QB round 1.
He's already a #1. He's been the 49ers top receiver the last two years. He's averaging 1200 yards and 7.5 TDs with a 15.5 yards per catch average over the last two years. He's doing that on significantly less targets than Hill/Lamb/Jefferson/Brown etc
So, hypothetically speaking You'd rather take your chances in the draft for Maye to get a security blanket receiver vs. Trading say pick 47 and a conditional 3rd in 2025 draft? I don't think anyone is suggesting he's a top 5 elite wr, otherwise the trade price would be like the Tyreek Hill trade. I wouldn't do this unless we had a definitive plan in place for a QB in this draft (likely Maye according to all the reports here). If you only consider wr1s to be the top5 wrs in the NFL, then sure he isn't a wr1. I think there is a much wider range than that though. Any WR that is the top option for an offense demanding the top cb and some doubles yet still produces well is a wr1 in my book. Im surprised you wouldn't want this for your boy Maye to have the best situation possible. Spend draft picks on our other holes and give Maye the most high percentages chance to thrive (which means Aiyuk>a mid 2nd rd receiver likely after the top 10-15 receivers are taken).
At the place where this team is currently, yes, I would prefer to take my chances with Maye and cheaper, younger options.
A move for a player like Aiyuk seems like a move for a team in win-now mode looking for a final piece.
BW, you are forgetting Maras bi-polar mantra. “Compete for today, build for tomorrow”.
He’s been trying to do both at the same time for the past 10+ years, not realizing one half assessed attempt plus another half asses attempt does not yield a complete competitive team.
to pay him? I like him, but not that much. Not sure I really see him as a #1.
Could be another draft ploy to make it seem, as many of you have already speculated, that the Giants are going QB round 1.
He's already a #1. He's been the 49ers top receiver the last two years. He's averaging 1200 yards and 7.5 TDs with a 15.5 yards per catch average over the last two years. He's doing that on significantly less targets than Hill/Lamb/Jefferson/Brown etc
Thanks, Question remains, how will they pay for him?
It sure feels like a "finishing move" for a roster not nearly ready to win. Aiyuk's a risky target given what I'd heard in the past, a mercurial dude who's produced one NFL season at the level of compensation.
Or even Baltimore should be looking to trade their first round pick for him.
I am not sure how it fits cap wise but those teams need him and a late first round is worth the investment.
Totally agree. this seems like a finishing touch move.
To your point, a team like Baltimore can and should be more willing to outbid NYG (we know NYG aint giving up #6 for him so that leaves 2nds, 3rds, etc)
to pay him? I like him, but not that much. Not sure I really see him as a #1.
Could be another draft ploy to make it seem, as many of you have already speculated, that the Giants are going QB round 1.
He's already a #1. He's been the 49ers top receiver the last two years. He's averaging 1200 yards and 7.5 TDs with a 15.5 yards per catch average over the last two years. He's doing that on significantly less targets than Hill/Lamb/Jefferson/Brown etc
Thanks, Question remains, how will they pay for him?
very easily.
right now Waller is scheduled to make 10.5m in new cash this year, which could go up to 12m if he hits roster bonuses per game. next year he is on the books for $11.5m that could go up to $13m.
slayton is scheduled to make more than $5m in new cash this year, and he wants a raise over that. As a free agent next year he could easily get himself a 10m aav deal.
Include Slayton in the trade with a 2nd round pick, cut Waller, and you can afford Aiyuk's current $14m cap hit on his 5yo.
If you extend him you can lower that amount by a little this year as is commonly done since he will probably get at least $20m cash in a signing bonus. Calvin Ridley's cap hit this year is $10m. In future years they have plenty of cap space. Without Waller they would have about 45m free next year and more than $100m in 2026. And that's including Jones, cut him and those amounts go up by more than 25m each year.
If they take a rookie scale QB at 6, someone like Aiyuk makes a lot of sense if the cost of acquisition is cheap enough. The odds a pearsall/legette/whoever are as good as him are very low. being willing to pay him a big contract is a way the giants can add an elite WR (in prime) and a QB.
as much as all of us like the top 3 WRs in this draft, the odds they become 1300+ yard receivers in 1 year or amass 4k yards after 4 seasons are probably no better than 50/50. jamarr chase only hit 1300 yards once in 3 years. waddle did in once, d smith hasnt done it yet. garrett wilson hasnt done it yet.
Or even Baltimore should be looking to trade their first round pick for him.
I am not sure how it fits cap wise but those teams need him and a late first round is worth the investment.
Would be tough on cap for those teams, very tough.
No one is trading for Aiyuk and not extending him. The Chiefs make a ton of sense both practically and cap-wise.
I guess both Buffalo and KC can just extend their QBs to make it work. I would prefer Adonai Mitchell to that though. Big difference between Adonai and Worthy whom will be the 5th and 6th wrs off the board and the other wrs teams can get in the early 2nd.
Or even Baltimore should be looking to trade their first round pick for him.
I am not sure how it fits cap wise but those teams need him and a late first round is worth the investment.
Would be tough on cap for those teams, very tough.
No one is trading for Aiyuk and not extending him. The Chiefs make a ton of sense both practically and cap-wise.
I guess both Buffalo and KC can just extend their QBs to make it work. I would prefer Adonai Mitchell to that though. Big difference between Adonai and Worthy whom will be the 5th and 6th wrs off the board and the other wrs teams can get in the early 2nd.
I would say tier 1 is the top 3 tier 2 is btj tier 3 is adonai/Worthy then a big drop off to Franklin/mcconkey/Leggette/pearsall
It sure feels like a "finishing move" for a roster not nearly ready to win. Aiyuk's a risky target given what I'd heard in the past, a mercurial dude who's produced one NFL season at the level of compensation.
Much prefer grab a blue chipper at #6, if no QB.
But this seems like a move they would make only if they plan to go QB at 6.
They’re done. They want him off the books. They really don’t want to play him at all this season. The Drew Lock thing was true.” Rickey - ( New Window )
KC wouldn't extend another player, they'd extend Aiyuk and bring his 2024 cap hit way down.
KC is currently 20M below the 2024 cap, 40M below the 2025 cap, and 188M under the 2026 cap.
I would still prefer Worthy or Mitchell in rd1 if I were them. I just see a big drop off after them, and the next 4-9 guys will go before pick 47. That's why I would like the move for us. We will likely not have great options at 47 for WR. Worthy and Mitchell are great options, plus 5th year option. At 47 we will be looking at tier 5 or 6 of WRs. I'd rather have Sinnott or Melton or Orhorhoro or Benson at 47 than the tier 5 wrs.
I missed most of that threat, what was his take on Aiyuk?
Stay at 6 take either Nabers or Odunze and we get them for 5 years on a rookie deal.
Did he delete his handle? thought maybe i missed something and was going to look it up.
I feel like a trade for Aiyuk means they got one or know one will be there at 6
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will be interesting to see if Rickey213 enters the BBI asshat Hall of Fame along with gloveone.
Did he delete his handle? thought maybe i missed something and was going to look it up.
disregard, user error
Yeah I think this is the contingency plan if they take a QB early. In terms of salary, they have a ton of cap space in future years, so what I think they'd do is sign Ayiuk to an extension that minimizes his cap hit this year.
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no idea what I’d trade for him, would depend on whether we draft a QB high or not.
I feel like a trade for Aiyuk means they got one or know one will be there at 6
I was just coming to post this same thing. If they are willing to trade for a vet WR I feel like they know they will be selecting a QB.
Between Aiyuk & a QB we probably won't have a pick in the first 3 rounds for 2024 & 2025, but if you come away with a franchise QB and #1 WR nobody will give a shit.
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no idea what I’d trade for him, would depend on whether we draft a QB high or not.
I feel like a trade for Aiyuk means they got one or know one will be there at 6
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no idea what I’d trade for him, would depend on whether we draft a QB high or not.
I feel like a trade for Aiyuk means they got one or know one will be there at 6
It also means that Jones is 100 percent done since the 49ers talked all that trash about his contract after the game last year.
Even if they draft Maye I doubt you seeing him throw passes until 2025.
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no idea what I’d trade for him, would depend on whether we draft a QB high or not.
I feel like a trade for Aiyuk means they got one or know one will be there at 6
Yup, that’s both exciting and scary, lol.
Ironically I mentioned if we passed on drafting a WR and went QB in round 1 that I could see the Giants looking into Aiyuk.
No DJ on the cap, + rookie qb contract = lots of cap space in 2026 and beyond
If they know this is going to happen, they can structure the deal around that. Very little cap hit this year, a bit higher next year, then larger chunks starting in 2026.
Ironically I mentioned if we passed on drafting a WR and went QB in round 1 that I could see the Giants looking into Aiyuk.
This appears to be the same account he posted about the Burns trade before anyone else had it. Eric can confirm
I would not discount this.
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Pugh mentioned how the Giants should rework a bunch of contracts and trade for Aiyuk.
Ironically I mentioned if we passed on drafting a WR and went QB in round 1 that I could see the Giants looking into Aiyuk.
This appears to be the same account he posted about the Burns trade before anyone else had it. Eric can confirm
Yes, what I mean is, Is Justin Pugh Rickey? He might be connected with an agent or 2?
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Pugh mentioned how the Giants should rework a bunch of contracts and trade for Aiyuk.
Ironically I mentioned if we passed on drafting a WR and went QB in round 1 that I could see the Giants looking into Aiyuk.
This appears to be the same account he posted about the Burns trade before anyone else had it. Eric can confirm
I think the Burns traded was posted by PrettyRickey213, but I could be wrong on that. I'm assuming Eric has confirmed it's the same person though.
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If we're calling this a 6 QB draft, one will be there at 6.
I would not discount this.
I hope they know what they're doing wrt QB 4-6.
Say they got the trade done with NE for pick 6, 2025 1st and pick 70. Trade for aiyuk with pick 47 and a contingent pick on 2025 3rd that could become 2nd with reasonable escalators. It would likely become pick 47 and 2025 2nd for Aiyuk. What do you think? Reasonable? Possible? I don't see how we could get Maye without the 2025 1st.
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Pugh mentioned how the Giants should rework a bunch of contracts and trade for Aiyuk.
Ironically I mentioned if we passed on drafting a WR and went QB in round 1 that I could see the Giants looking into Aiyuk.
This appears to be the same account he posted about the Burns trade before anyone else had it. Eric can confirm
I think the Burns traded was posted by PrettyRickey213, but I could be wrong on that. I'm assuming Eric has confirmed it's the same person though.
Pretty Rickey was the twitter account I believe, this has the same March 2024 sign up date
Not sure it makes sense to trade for Aiyuk if we trade our #1. Players get traded for much less these days. If we get him for our 3rd that would be great, other than that trading away more picks and paying the high salary is not a good long term plan
I can't imagine it costs less than a 1st or 2 2nd's. Probably the former
Add in Burns for 39.
Trade for Vet WR with 2nd round pick.
This is smart football moves if you ask me.
Not sure it makes sense to trade for Aiyuk if we trade our #1. Players get traded for much less these days. If we get him for our 3rd that would be great, other than that trading away more picks and paying the high salary is not a good long term plan
That would be absolute GM malpractice to give up 6 for Aiyuk. That could be one of the worst trades of all time.
47 and 2025 2nd would do the trick I think and that would leave pick 6, 2025 1st and pick 70 for QB tradeup.
I see little chance they'd be inquiring about this if they weren't confident on QB in round1, unless it's just simple inquiry. Talking to them about aiyuk sounds a bit more serious than a simple inquiry though.
Then extend him with a massive contract and still be $30M under the cap next year
Trade for Vet WR with 2nd round pick.
This is smart football moves if you ask me.
Pick 47 and conditional 2025 pick, I'm guessing they would want 2 2nds or a 2nd and 3rd at least.
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Give up 6 and 70 for Aiyuk. But he wanted to stay with DJ.
Not sure it makes sense to trade for Aiyuk if we trade our #1. Players get traded for much less these days. If we get him for our 3rd that would be great, other than that trading away more picks and paying the high salary is not a good long term plan
That would be absolute GM malpractice to give up 6 for Aiyuk. That could be one of the worst trades of all time.
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Can't be
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How crazy would it be if we have Maye throwing to Aiyuk this season?
Even if they draft Maye I doubt you seeing him throw passes until 2025.
If DJ and/or Lock are playing poorly and the team gets off to a 2-5 start, and people are calling for Daboll's head, hard to see how Maye (or any other qb they draft) stays on the bench all season
Agreed. I would think the main piece to a deal would be the 2025 1st
Will be fun though to predict who will be the Randy White to Aiyuk's Craig Morton ;-)
Same poster.
However, I was also told of the Burns trade by another BBI behind the scenes days earlier.
Totally, Aiyuk is a legit #1 and dangerous with every route ran. Also, his injury history is nice. He seems to stay pretty healthy and the way he moves is good to avoid lower body injuries. He has a great attitude too. Maye or JJM rd 1, Aiyuk for pick 70 and 2025 2nd or pick 47 and 2025 3rd that could escalate to 2nd? Sign me up!
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who broke the Burns trade here. So Eric is right, Rickey, you are on the cusp of Asshat Hall of Fame stuff here!
Same poster.
However, I was also told of the Burns trade by another BBI behind the scenes days earlier.
On twitter Rickey broke some other news during FA before anyone else including the Calvin Ridley deal which seemed to come out of nowhere
Agreed, I was going to say that. He would be a perfect #1 to pair with them.
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who broke the Burns trade here. So Eric is right, Rickey, you are on the cusp of Asshat Hall of Fame stuff here!
Same poster.
However, I was also told of the Burns trade by another BBI behind the scenes days earlier.
Eric is a legend. When everyone called me a troll in that thread, he backed me up and said he heard the same thing. Re2pect.
acquiring Aiyuk is not going to be leaps and bounds more expensive then acquiring Burns. Especially with you have to pay Aiyuk top dollar.
If someone was offering a 2nd and a 1st rounder Aiyuk would have been traded months ago.
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He would get an extension and if we got him his 2024 contract would be low. Money would begin to hit in 2025 and big hits would begin 2026 with DJ completely off the books.
He's on his 5th option at ~14M. The Giants would obviously extend and restructure.
Pugh has no clue, we would not trade 6 for aiyuk lol
Look at the Tyreek Hill trade. The 2025 1st would be in the trade for Maye. No chance it would be for Aiyuk.
It would be, but it's an aggressive build.
QB at 6
Burns for 39
Aiyuk for a 2025 first
A 2025 1st is likely to be to be a top 5 pick
Trading this years second to get and pay Burns - ok?
Next year's 1st to pay Aiyuk? No, please no.
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I'd trade 47 and 2025 1st round for him.
A 2025 1st is likely to be to be a top 5 pick
Trading this years second to get and pay Burns - ok?
Next year's 1st to pay Aiyuk? No, please no.
I don't like it one bit either if that's the scope, holy overpay.
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to give up in any deal. We better win some games next year if we do it. I’d hate to deliver San Fran a top 10 pick - they have enough talent.
Look at the Tyreek Hill trade. The 2025 1st would be in the trade for Maye. No chance it would be for Aiyuk.
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Hill was traded to Miami for five draft picks — 2022 first-, second-, and fourth-round picks as well as 2023 fourth- and sixth-round picks —
Strongly disagree. I don't see a world where Aiyuk is traded for a package that doesn't include a 1st round pick. Hill, AJ Brown, Davante Adams, original Diggs trade, and even Marquise Brown all had a 1st in the deal
If by questionable - you mean insane, I agree.
Pretty sure that was one of the Rickey copycat accounts (was Rickey212 or Rickey214) he was referring to when someone asked him if it was him that reported the Giants and NE having a deal in place for 3
Ultra aggressive and win-now focused. Aiyuk's not consistently shown to be that caliber of player or personality.
Aiyuk, MHJ, Nabers or Rome?
Now add in the salary.
Who would ever choose Aiyuk?
this guy likes attention
Made lots of calls
But hope he’s right about Aiyuk
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I'd trade 47 and 2025 1st round for him.
A 2025 1st is likely to be to be a top 5 pick
Trading this years second to get and pay Burns - ok?
Next year's 1st to pay Aiyuk? No, please no.
What if it’s not though? What if they got Maye and Aiyuk and had a season like the Texans?
A rookie QB contract with a high salary ED and WR makes sense. (Even if we pay DJ a lot this year.)
I guess this is contingency plan just in case we don't get a QB in the 1st rd. I'm still curious why the Giants didn't do 30 visits with 2nd-tier WR. Maybe they want to pair a rookie QB with a veteran WR.
If that’s the case I can see the move to try and get aiyuk. Aiyuk is very good. Make the environment as friendly as possible for the young qb.
But with that being said I don’t know if I love the idea of trading for aiyuk. I just don’t think this team is a contender with or without aiyuk. I’d prefer to try and draft one and use my cap money elsewhere
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worth a first round pick? Is it potential or past performances? My opinion, at this time he is not worth a top 20 first round pick.
Aiyuk, MHJ, Nabers or Rome?
Now add in the salary.
Who would ever choose Aiyuk?
The idea would almost certainly be that they plan to use 6 to get a QB, not trade 6 for Aiyuk
Two- if the Giants traded their second round pick, we have to consider the possibility that this would mean that they plan to trade down from #6. They might have something lined up where they know they can move down and get several picks for #6 to offset the loss of the second rounder. I suspect that the Giants would be unwilling to make a deal and go into the draft with only 5 picks, and 4 of them in the 3rd round and after.
Three- I would note that pretty rickey is saying they are talking, not that a deal is imminent. However, if the Giants DO make the deal, taken together with the lack of top 30 visits by WR, the Giants might be signaling no WR picks. if that's the case, a move down from 6 looks wise. I suspect that if the Giants signal they are willing to move down, hypothetically Atlanta or the Jets might want to get ahead of Tenn. to get a shot at Alt.
That could allow the Giants to maximize the value of that pick and then move down again to the high teens. For example, if Penix is on the board, would the Raiders or Denver move up to 8 or 10 to get him?
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worth a first round pick? Is it potential or past performances? My opinion, at this time he is not worth a top 20 first round pick.
Aiyuk, MHJ, Nabers or Rome?
Now add in the salary.
Who would ever choose Aiyuk?
The idea would almost certainly be that they plan to use 6 to get a QB, not trade 6 for Aiyuk
Agreed
But its a safe bet that next year's 1st is going to be a similar spot. Paying top dollar for a player and also lose a top of the draft pick? No thank you.
Trade for Aiyuk, sign him for 5 years
Trade up to 3 for Maye Giants have control for 5 years.
Jones is gone after this year.
Thomas, Dex signed long term.
This is not as crazy an idea as some here think.
It will cost some draft picks which can flame out. Acquiring viable NFL talent is sometimes the safest way to go.
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Rickey213 said he was not posting on Twitter, that it was someone else.
Pretty sure that was one of the Rickey copycat accounts (was Rickey212 or Rickey214) he was referring to when someone asked him if it was him that reported the Giants and NE having a deal in place for 3
Yep, I just meant the copycat accounts.
Would be nice to get that guy in here assuming they are going big QB hunting or even edge/TE/Tackle hunting in round 1.
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I'd trade 47 and 2025 1st round for him.
A 2025 1st is likely to be to be a top 5 pick
Trading this years second to get and pay Burns - ok?
Next year's 1st to pay Aiyuk? No, please no.
What if it’s not though? What if they got Maye and Aiyuk and had a season like the Texans?
Makes little sense giving up a first for Aiyuk under any circumstances. Giving how deep this WR class is and the quality of WR coming into the league these days, the Giants may be able to get an Aiyuk caliber player in the second or third round.
Glad you aren't the GM. That is nuts.
Would be nice to get that guy in here assuming they are going big QB hunting or even edge/TE/Tackle hunting in round 1.
What do you think makes him good but not great?
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I'd trade 47 and 2025 1st round for him.
A 2025 1st is likely to be to be a top 5 pick
Trading this years second to get and pay Burns - ok?
Next year's 1st to pay Aiyuk? No, please no.
What if it’s not though? What if they got Maye and Aiyuk and had a season like the Texans?
Makes little sense giving up a first for Aiyuk under any circumstances. Giving how deep this WR class is and the quality of WR coming into the league these days, the Giants may be able to get an Aiyuk caliber player in the second or third round.
They may end up using a first round pick on a WR who might end up being as good as Aiyuk. What’s the difference trading a first round pick for Aiyuk?
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worth a first round pick? Is it potential or past performances? My opinion, at this time he is not worth a top 20 first round pick.
Aiyuk, MHJ, Nabers or Rome?
Now add in the salary.
Who would ever choose Aiyuk?
Well, if the Giants go QB at 6, none of those guys will be an option. And if the Giants have to give up #47 to move up for QB, none of the second tier WR prospects will be an option either
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who broke the Burns trade here. So Eric is right, Rickey, you are on the cusp of Asshat Hall of Fame stuff here!
Same poster.
However, I was also told of the Burns trade by another BBI behind the scenes days earlier.
Eric is a legend. When everyone called me a troll in that thread, he backed me up and said he heard the same thing. Re2pect.
Glad to have you back dropping nuggs! Would be open to letting the Legend know what sort(s) of parameters are on the table?
Sy, where do you think Aiyuk ranks amongst the upper echelon top receivers in the NFL?
Love it!
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worth a first round pick? Is it potential or past performances? My opinion, at this time he is not worth a top 20 first round pick.
Aiyuk, MHJ, Nabers or Rome?
Now add in the salary.
Who would ever choose Aiyuk?
No one in their right mind is advocating to trade 6th overall for Aiuyk.
So, in four years he throws a fit here and we trade him for a lot less than we gave up for him?
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but I think he's got a ceiling. He's good, not great. We need him so I would love a move to get him, but I think the cost should be relatively fair or in line with what he is, a good outside WR but not a great one.
Would be nice to get that guy in here assuming they are going big QB hunting or even edge/TE/Tackle hunting in round 1.
What do you think makes him good but not great?
Comparing him to the very best, he's not Hill or Adams (at his peak) or AJ Brown. He's in that next tier which is fine, we need that, but he's not a super star super elite WR and never will be. Just watch him play and looking at his stats is pretty clear indicator of what he is. Again, we need him, i'd love to get him, but no one should be parting with a shit load of value to get him.
If you can get him for a couple mid round picks maybe even a 2025 2nd, fine by me. Then sign him long term.
His first two years he was under 1000 yards, but he was catching balls from CJ Beathard, Trey Lance, Nick Mullens and some Jimmy G.
Since SF has put a decent QB on the field two years ago he's averaging 1200 yards and 7.5 TDs a season. That's with CMC, Deebo & Kittle taking touches away from him.
He's got good numbers on a lot less targets than the other top WRs in the NFL. Here are the number of targets for the top WRs in the NFL over the last two years. What would his numbers look like with those extra 100 targets? He's also missing out on a ton of RZ targets due to CMC.
Tyreek - 341 (Missed 1 game)
Lamb - 337
Jefferson - 284 (Missed 7 games in 2023)
St. Brown - 310 (Missed 2 games)
AJ Brown - 303
Aiyuk - 219
I can't imagine we'd be giving up a 1st rounder for him though.
Build through the draft as much as possible.
If the Giants have similar grades on JJM and Penix, then they can almost certainly get one of them at #6, and definitely at #5 in a trade with the Chargers.
I would not trade anything form 24 for him and would avoid using a 1st from 25.
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to give up in any deal. We better win some games next year if we do it. I’d hate to deliver San Fran a top 10 pick - they have enough talent.
Look at the Tyreek Hill trade. The 2025 1st would be in the trade for Maye. No chance it would be for Aiyuk.
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Hill was traded to Miami for five draft picks — 2022 first-, second-, and fourth-round picks as well as 2023 fourth- and sixth-round picks —
Strongly disagree. I don't see a world where Aiyuk is traded for a package that doesn't include a 1st round pick. Hill, AJ Brown, Davante Adams, original Diggs trade, and even Marquise Brown all had a 1st in the deal
They were all from playoff competing teams. Pick 47 and 2025 2nd would get it done I bet. 49ers know they can't pay him, before the draft is their chance.
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adding an established #1 WR for a young QB...
Sy, where do you think Aiyuk ranks amongst the upper echelon top receivers in the NFL?
Estimate in the 15-20 range
Why not add another young WR to the current stable of young, talented WRs we have and grow the team organically?
I really hope this "talking" leads to nothing material.
Made this trade on his YouTube show.
If the Giants have similar grades on JJM and Penix, then they can almost certainly get one of them at #6, and definitely at #5 in a trade with the Chargers.
I’d much prefer Penix and Aiyuk than Nabers/Odunze and maybe figuring out QB next year
Why not add another young WR to the current stable of young, talented WRs we have and grow the team organically?
I really hope this "talking" leads to nothing material.
Exactly. Not the right way to build a team IMO. Burns deal I like because edge rushers are more hit and miss. WRs are coming in right away and making immediate contributions. 2nd round pick or so? I can get behind that, especially if they draft a rookie QB and have him on the rookie deal. But talk of this year's 1st or next years? Insanity.
The Bills were a better team. I dont like the process of continually trading away picks for players and having to pay a high salary.
I like Aiyuk, he's not 1st round pick material especially when our picks have mostly been top 10. Plus we also have limited cap money, Thomas is really the only player left to squeeze money unless they cut Waller who we traded for and signed to a high contract.
Aiyuk's trajectory is on the rise, but he's also surrounded by other top 10 talent at WR, TE and RB. I'm not sure he's the alpha that can take us to the next level and 2023 may have been his career year.
Lets do it!
Why not add another young WR to the current stable of young, talented WRs we have and grow the team organically?
I really hope this "talking" leads to nothing material.
I'd be excited to have him but I'm with bw on this. I think it will take 47 + a sweetener...not to mention the cap capital.
With the way colleges are churning out receivers, I'd rather go that route.
if they can get a QB at #6 and then trade for Aiyuk, I think that's a great draft outcome. Aiyuk is an excellent, excellent player.
#47 + next years 1 or 2 feels like an overpay to me with the contract he will need and given the market. I think the compensation for Diggs sets the price here since he too was coming along essentially without a contract.
He's the #1 for SF, not Debo.
The odds for daniels going 2 have gone up - maybe even word among front offices is its all but done so giants know they are moving up to 3 to maye and are now pivoting to get a WR...
tell me that story doesnt make a ton of sense...
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but I think he's got a ceiling. He's good, not great. We need him so I would love a move to get him, but I think the cost should be relatively fair or in line with what he is, a good outside WR but not a great one.
Would be nice to get that guy in here assuming they are going big QB hunting or even edge/TE/Tackle hunting in round 1.
What do you think makes him good but not great?
Comparing him to the very best, he's not Hill or Adams (at his peak) or AJ Brown. He's in that next tier which is fine, we need that, but he's not a super star super elite WR and never will be. Just watch him play and looking at his stats is pretty clear indicator of what he is. Again, we need him, i'd love to get him, but no one should be parting with a shit load of value to get him.
If you can get him for a couple mid round picks maybe even a 2025 2nd, fine by me. Then sign him long term.
I'd probably compare him to a peak level Amani Toomer. Not the same player but at his peak Toomer flirted with pro bowl caliber (he should have made it in 2002)--I think Aiyuk can flirt with pro bowls too. He's a fine player he's just not HOF level good. I'd take him, gladly.
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who broke the Burns trade here. So Eric is right, Rickey, you are on the cusp of Asshat Hall of Fame stuff here!
Same poster.
However, I was also told of the Burns trade by another BBI behind the scenes days earlier.
any noise on this outside of Rickey?
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In a WR rich draft, Schoen pivots, trades for, and signs a good - not great - WR that eats up a significant part of the cap because Aiyuk will demand elite $s.
Why not add another young WR to the current stable of young, talented WRs we have and grow the team organically?
I really hope this "talking" leads to nothing material.
Exactly. Not the right way to build a team IMO. Burns deal I like because edge rushers are more hit and miss. WRs are coming in right away and making immediate contributions. 2nd round pick or so? I can get behind that, especially if they draft a rookie QB and have him on the rookie deal. But talk of this year's 1st or next years? Insanity.
0 chance for 1st. I really think comp would be in the range of pick 47 and a 3rd that could become a 2nd in 2025. 6, 2025 1st and pick 70 for Maye or something like that.
I really like Aiyuk but college receivers are entering the league much more prepared now than they used to be.
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I don’t see him as a No. 1 guy. I hope the Giants are not wasting resources (draft picks and salary cap) on a guy that is a good but not great player that teams have to game plan around.
He's the #1 for SF, not Debo.
San Francisco has two really good No.2 receivers. There’s only about 10-12 legit No. 1 receivers in the NFL.
If you want an elite #1, you need to go bigger but you can win with a solid #1 like Aiyuk.
Also, this move wouldn't preclude NYG from adding more WR talent to the team. How on earth someone can say this doesn't make sense I will never know. It doesn't make sense to ignore Aiyuk or ignore adding this kind of player.
He wants to get paid and San Francisco is already paying Deebo.
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He might have had more targets if SF didn’t have those stars, but did they also have a beneficial impact on his performance? Did CMC, Deebo and Kittle limit the double teams he faced and limited ability of D coordinators to scheme against him? While he seems better than the typical #2 WR, doesn’t he face the risk of failure other #2s faced when they changed teams and attempted a solo act? Not saying he can’t have as great or greater success on another team, but is it a sure thing?
Money, as usual. This might as well just be deemed FA move, just like Burns. IT comes with a draft pick cost, but that's life when you want to add a young player ahead of FA. You want him? Get him. Even if we added Nabers or a WR at 6, we could still use another player. Slayton is a place holder or a #3. Robinson is a slot / gadget guy. Hyatt who the hell knows. The position needs a jolt or two.
If the Giants have similar grades on JJM and Penix, then they can almost certainly get one of them at #6, and definitely at #5 in a trade with the Chargers.
Anthony Richardson and Penix is a terrible comparison IMO. I would say there is less than a 0.01% chance that Penix goes in the top 6. Maybe like a 10% chance he goes in the top 15.
Ben Allbright has said recently there's no chance that Penix goes in the top 15.
Mara’s same statement about doing everything they can to ruin DJ applies today - nothing’s changed.
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Rickey213 said he was not posting on Twitter, that it was someone else.
Pretty sure that was one of the Rickey copycat accounts (was Rickey212 or Rickey214) he was referring to when someone asked him if it was him that reported the Giants and NE having a deal in place for 3
Yep, I just meant the copycat accounts.
Were you (the original twitter account) kicked off twitter? I loved the conspiracies...
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Penix being the pick at #6 is a possibility, even if others discount it b/c ‘that’s too high for him’.
If the Giants have similar grades on JJM and Penix, then they can almost certainly get one of them at #6, and definitely at #5 in a trade with the Chargers.
Anthony Richardson and Penix is a terrible comparison IMO. I would say there is less than a 0.01% chance that Penix goes in the top 6. Maybe like a 10% chance he goes in the top 15.
Ben Allbright has said recently there's no chance that Penix goes in the top 15.
I would put zero stock in anything Allbright says that isn't Denver-related. His final mock a day before the draft last year had just about every single pick wrong which included Levis going #4 overall
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In no order
Tyreek Hill
Justin Jefferson
Jamarr Chase
Davante Adams
Ceedee Lamb
AJ Brown
Mike Evans
Puka Nacua
Then you have really good receivers that aren’t in that top group
Amon’Ra St. Brown
DJ Moore
Amari Cooper
Cooper Kupp (Injuries have slowed him down)
DK Metcalf
Brandon Aiyuk
Deebo Samuel
Dovante Smith
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I'd trade 47 and 2025 1st round for him.
A 2025 1st is likely to be to be a top 5 pick
Trading this years second to get and pay Burns - ok?
Next year's 1st to pay Aiyuk? No, please no.
What if it’s not though? What if they got Maye and Aiyuk and had a season like the Texans?
Makes little sense giving up a first for Aiyuk under any circumstances. Giving how deep this WR class is and the quality of WR coming into the league these days, the Giants may be able to get an Aiyuk caliber player in the second or third round.
Agreed. Unless this is a future 2nder we can do better cap wise. A premium this year and the extension for him, we just did that with Burns (which took us out of a true power position to trade up for a QB if need be). I like Jones but another QB option is needed and should be added if that requires a trade up the 47th pick is going to be moved. Aiyuk will require the 47th. A 3rd and a future 2nder is the only other viable option on the "cheap". That takes away even more ability to be flexible @ 6, unless Browser is the dark horse pick at 6 and Waller has retired officially in-house only.
The Burns trade really took away a lot of draft flexibility but it was a good move. Moving the other 2nd just seems unwise, maybe it would look better on draft day.
He is coming off of multiple 1,000-yard seasons, and his 1,342 yards last year were 7th highest in the league. Keep in mind that total was on just 75 receptions (and 105 targets). Most wideouts with similar numbers (Mike Evans, DJ Moore, AJ Brown) had significantly more looks.
Aiyuk finished with 61 receptions for first downs, and absolutely punished cornerbacks and safeties with in-cuts down the seam. He finished second in the league with 28 receptions of 20 yards, only behind Tyreek Hill and CeeDee Lamb, who had one more each.
He has only missed one game the last three seasons, and makes good decisions downfield about not absorbing unnecessary contact.
For those saying "Well, his numbers are inflated due to the weapons that San Francisco had". Somewhat true, but keep in mind that Aiyuk outperformed Samuel last year, and most defenses treated him as their WR1.
Justin Pugh currently outlined a deal that had the Giants giving SF our 6th selection, in exchange for their 31st overall pick, and a 3rd round pick this year. I'd do that deal in a HEARTBEAT. The team would still have the capital to move back up should they wish (with a remaining first and round round selection), or be patient to go with Bo Nix as a high 2nd round swap.
Either way, if Big Blue were able to pry away Aiyuk, I think fans would be very, very happy with the player. I've long been a fan of his skillset.
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Give up 6 and 70 for Aiyuk. But he wanted to stay with DJ.
Not sure it makes sense to trade for Aiyuk if we trade our #1. Players get traded for much less these days. If we get him for our 3rd that would be great, other than that trading away more picks and paying the high salary is not a good long term plan
That would be absolute GM malpractice to give up 6 for Aiyuk. That could be one of the worst trades of all time.
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Can't be
NFW.
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*** That's with CMC, Deebo & Kittle taking touches away from him.
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He might have had more targets if SF didn’t have those stars, but did they also have a beneficial impact on his performance? Did CMC, Deebo and Kittle limit the double teams he faced and limited ability of D coordinators to scheme against him? While he seems better than the typical #2 WR, doesn’t he face the risk of failure other #2s faced when they changed teams and attempted a solo act? Not saying he can’t have as great or greater success on another team, but is it a sure thing?
He had 31 receptions for 390 yards in the 4 games Debo missed last year...
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Penix being the pick at #6 is a possibility, even if others discount it b/c ‘that’s too high for him’.
If the Giants have similar grades on JJM and Penix, then they can almost certainly get one of them at #6, and definitely at #5 in a trade with the Chargers.
Anthony Richardson and Penix is a terrible comparison IMO. I would say there is less than a 0.01% chance that Penix goes in the top 6. Maybe like a 10% chance he goes in the top 15.
Ben Allbright has said recently there's no chance that Penix goes in the top 15.
I would put zero stock in anything Allbright says that isn't Denver-related. His final mock a day before the draft last year had just about every single pick wrong which included Levis going #4 overall Link - ( New Window )
It's not just him. Betting sites have his over/under set at 32.5. If he had a chance of going top 10 they wouldn't just be handing out free money like that.
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Penix being the pick at #6 is a possibility, even if others discount it b/c ‘that’s too high for him’.
If the Giants have similar grades on JJM and Penix, then they can almost certainly get one of them at #6, and definitely at #5 in a trade with the Chargers.
Anthony Richardson and Penix is a terrible comparison IMO. I would say there is less than a 0.01% chance that Penix goes in the top 6. Maybe like a 10% chance he goes in the top 15.
Ben Allbright has said recently there's no chance that Penix goes in the top 15.
I would put zero stock in anything Allbright says that isn't Denver-related. His final mock a day before the draft last year had just about every single pick wrong which included Levis going #4 overall Link - ( New Window )
It's not just him. Betting sites have his over/under set at 32.5. If he had a chance of going top 10 they wouldn't just be handing out free money like that.
Ian Rapoport is on record saying that he thinks it's very likely Penix is not only a first round pick, but is picked in the top half of the round. Unlike most of these reporters, he doesn't say things like that unless he's pretty confident in it.
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Penix being the pick at #6 is a possibility, even if others discount it b/c ‘that’s too high for him’.
If the Giants have similar grades on JJM and Penix, then they can almost certainly get one of them at #6, and definitely at #5 in a trade with the Chargers.
Anthony Richardson and Penix is a terrible comparison IMO. I would say there is less than a 0.01% chance that Penix goes in the top 6. Maybe like a 10% chance he goes in the top 15.
Ben Allbright has said recently there's no chance that Penix goes in the top 15.
I would put zero stock in anything Allbright says that isn't Denver-related. His final mock a day before the draft last year had just about every single pick wrong which included Levis going #4 overall Link - ( New Window )
It's not just him. Betting sites have his over/under set at 32.5. If he had a chance of going top 10 they wouldn't just be handing out free money like that.
Allbright is a clown with zero sources and zero credibility. He was fuming mad at me when I was tweeting scoops. Guy is unhinged.
Lower picks yes, a 1st - NFW.
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Pugh mentioned how the Giants should rework a bunch of contracts and trade for Aiyuk.
Ironically I mentioned if we passed on drafting a WR and went QB in round 1 that I could see the Giants looking into Aiyuk.
This appears to be the same account he posted about the Burns trade before anyone else had it. Eric can confirm
Yes, what I mean is, Is Justin Pugh Rickey? He might be connected with an agent or 2?
I immediately was dismissive of this but knowing Pugh has lurked on BBI, that hes trying to start a youtube channel, and that he's a talker...it does make me wonder...
No more talk about Schoen getting fired next season..
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Penix being the pick at #6 is a possibility, even if others discount it b/c ‘that’s too high for him’.
If the Giants have similar grades on JJM and Penix, then they can almost certainly get one of them at #6, and definitely at #5 in a trade with the Chargers.
Anthony Richardson and Penix is a terrible comparison IMO. I would say there is less than a 0.01% chance that Penix goes in the top 6. Maybe like a 10% chance he goes in the top 15.
Ben Allbright has said recently there's no chance that Penix goes in the top 15.
I would put zero stock in anything Allbright says that isn't Denver-related. His final mock a day before the draft last year had just about every single pick wrong which included Levis going #4 overall Link - ( New Window )
It's not just him. Betting sites have his over/under set at 32.5. If he had a chance of going top 10 they wouldn't just be handing out free money like that.
Ian Rapoport is on record saying that he thinks it's very likely Penix is not only a first round pick, but is picked in the top half of the round. Unlike most of these reporters, he doesn't say things like that unless he's pretty confident in it.
That's not what Rapoport said. He said Penix is likely to go in the 1st round and could go in the top half. That's a lot different than saying he's very likely to go in the top half of the round.
It definitely could happen. It only takes 1 team. IMO him in the top 15 would be an absolutely terrible pick. Taking him at 6 is just as bad if not worse than Daniel Jones at 6 and I was on the Washington hype train before just about anybody. He just has so many red flags as an NFL prospect.
Why not add another young WR to the current stable of young, talented WRs we have and grow the team organically?
I really hope this "talking" leads to nothing material.
+1
Remember, Schoen had multiple contingent trade possibilities lined up last year, so there's no reason to suspect he wouldn't be doing the same again.
This may not be Plan A or B, but just another option to have at the ready so he doesn't get caught with his dick in his hand like some other GMs of the past.
is 1/unknowable, 2/ will be available @ 6 or via trade, or 3/ (via Terps) is a dead certainty to roll with.
Hope all good.
That's not what Rapoport said. He said Penix is likely to go in the 1st round and could go in the top half. That's a lot different than saying he's very likely to go in the top half of the round.
It definitely could happen. It only takes 1 team. IMO him in the top 15 would be an absolutely terrible pick. Taking him at 6 is just as bad if not worse than Daniel Jones at 6 and I was on the Washington hype train before just about anybody. He just has so many red flags as an NFL prospect.
Nope. He said "likely in the first half of the first round"
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Why not add another young WR to the current stable of young, talented WRs we have and grow the team organically?
I really hope this "talking" leads to nothing material.
Although I agree with you, my guess is the Giants are all but certain they’ll be getting their QB in round 1 and believe Aiyuk is a better option than any of the WRs that may be available in round two.
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In a WR rich draft, Schoen pivots, trades for, and signs a good - not great - WR that eats up a significant part of the cap because Aiyuk will demand elite $s.
Why not add another young WR to the current stable of young, talented WRs we have and grow the team organically?
I really hope this "talking" leads to nothing material.
+1
I don't agree with this take on Aiyuk, he's the equivalent WR to what Burns is as a DE, and he's on an upward trajectory with a playstyle that avoids injury and ages well. If we are trading out 2025 1st to get Maye, then I want us to do everything we possibly can to have that 2025 1st not be too high and have Maye with the best possible situation possible. If this trade could be done for pick 47 and 2025 3rd more or less, and we secure one of the top QBs. Then it's a no Brainer. There's going to be a run on WRs and we will likely have slim pickings at 47. Follow the Buffalo model, trade up for Maye get him a legit receiver with lots of receptions as a security blanket along with solid defense. That's a great way to build. If you're trading massive draft capital for Maye, you need to give him the absolute best situation possible. We've seen how important proper coaching and roster assembly is for a talented young QB.
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Penix being the pick at #6 is a possibility, even if others discount it b/c ‘that’s too high for him’.
If the Giants have similar grades on JJM and Penix, then they can almost certainly get one of them at #6, and definitely at #5 in a trade with the Chargers.
I’d much prefer Penix and Aiyuk than Nabers/Odunze and maybe figuring out QB next year
Me too.
If he can get this guy for mid rd picks (preferably next year) to pair with a drafted QB, then it makes sense.
If this is NOT the case, he shouldn't consider this guy. It blows a lot of cap space, where he can draft a more talented guy who will be on a rookie deal.
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That's not what Rapoport said. He said Penix is likely to go in the 1st round and could go in the top half. That's a lot different than saying he's very likely to go in the top half of the round.
It definitely could happen. It only takes 1 team. IMO him in the top 15 would be an absolutely terrible pick. Taking him at 6 is just as bad if not worse than Daniel Jones at 6 and I was on the Washington hype train before just about anybody. He just has so many red flags as an NFL prospect.
Nope. He said "likely in the first half of the first round" Link - ( New Window )
He actually said both. He said likely in the 1st half and then likely in the 1st half.
Like I said it's a definite possibility. Crazy shit happens in the draft all the time.
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In a WR rich draft, Schoen pivots, trades for, and signs a good - not great - WR that eats up a significant part of the cap because Aiyuk will demand elite $s.
Why not add another young WR to the current stable of young, talented WRs we have and grow the team organically?
I really hope this "talking" leads to nothing material.
Although I agree with you, my guess is the Giants are all but certain they’ll be getting their QB in round 1 and believe Aiyuk is a better option than any of the WRs that may be available in round two.
Yeah, and like I said there is going to be a run on receivers with up to 15 going before our pick 47. There might be a reason they haven't brought in any of those prospects for a top 30 visit.
Also, what better way to utilize a rookie qb contract than with a DE and WR being paid with the benefit of a rookie qb contract. 4-5 years for all of them, it doesn't cripple our cap if DJ is gone.
His first two years he was under 1000 yards, but he was catching balls from CJ Beathard, Trey Lance, Nick Mullens and some Jimmy G.
Since SF has put a decent QB on the field two years ago he's averaging 1200 yards and 7.5 TDs a season. That's with CMC, Deebo & Kittle taking touches away from him.
He's got good numbers on a lot less targets than the other top WRs in the NFL. Here are the number of targets for the top WRs in the NFL over the last two years. What would his numbers look like with those extra 100 targets? He's also missing out on a ton of RZ targets due to CMC.
Tyreek - 341 (Missed 1 game)
Lamb - 337
Jefferson - 284 (Missed 7 games in 2023)
St. Brown - 310 (Missed 2 games)
AJ Brown - 303
Aiyuk - 219
I can't imagine we'd be giving up a 1st rounder for him though.
Fair points, but he’s also had CMC, Deebo and Kittle taking defensive attention away from him too. How will he handle being the top dog and a focus of opposing D’s?
I like Aiyuk, but I hate giving up a high pick for him, given that he will need to be paid. As others have noted, he’s had maturity issues in the past, how will he handle a big payday?
I’d rather use a high pick to move up to grab a WR and a QB in the draft.
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Pugh mentioned how the Giants should rework a bunch of contracts and trade for Aiyuk.
Ironically I mentioned if we passed on drafting a WR and went QB in round 1 that I could see the Giants looking into Aiyuk.
This appears to be the same account he posted about the Burns trade before anyone else had it. Eric can confirm
Yes, what I mean is, Is Justin Pugh Rickey? He might be connected with an agent or 2?
I immediately was dismissive of this but knowing Pugh has lurked on BBI, that hes trying to start a youtube channel, and that he's a talker...it does make me wonder...
Hard to imagine Pugh doing anything under cover of darkness.
If he can get this guy for mid rd picks (preferably next year) to pair with a drafted QB, then it makes sense.
If this is NOT the case, he shouldn't consider this guy. It blows a lot of cap space, where he can draft a more talented guy who will be on a rookie deal.
To those that think we would trade for Aiyuk without getting a rookie QB, you're nuts. We can't gamble with massive contracts for Burns and Aiyuk without knowing we will have a rookie QB contract to pair with Burns and Aiyuk, 0 chance.
Imagine trading pick 6, 39, 47, 2025 1st, 2nd and 3rd for Drake Maye, Burns and a legit #1 WR in his prime and only getting better. Sign me up for that!
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In a WR rich draft, Schoen pivots, trades for, and signs a good - not great - WR that eats up a significant part of the cap because Aiyuk will demand elite $s.
Why not add another young WR to the current stable of young, talented WRs we have and grow the team organically?
I really hope this "talking" leads to nothing material.
+1
I don't agree with this take on Aiyuk, he's the equivalent WR to what Burns is as a DE, and he's on an upward trajectory with a playstyle that avoids injury and ages well. If we are trading out 2025 1st to get Maye, then I want us to do everything we possibly can to have that 2025 1st not be too high and have Maye with the best possible situation possible. If this trade could be done for pick 47 and 2025 3rd more or less, and we secure one of the top QBs. Then it's a no Brainer. There's going to be a run on WRs and we will likely have slim pickings at 47. Follow the Buffalo model, trade up for Maye get him a legit receiver with lots of receptions as a security blanket along with solid defense. That's a great way to build. If you're trading massive draft capital for Maye, you need to give him the absolute best situation possible. We've seen how important proper coaching and roster assembly is for a talented young QB.
Fortune favors the bold. Lets be bold for a change.
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Brandon Aiyuk here.
His first two years he was under 1000 yards, but he was catching balls from CJ Beathard, Trey Lance, Nick Mullens and some Jimmy G.
Since SF has put a decent QB on the field two years ago he's averaging 1200 yards and 7.5 TDs a season. That's with CMC, Deebo & Kittle taking touches away from him.
He's got good numbers on a lot less targets than the other top WRs in the NFL. Here are the number of targets for the top WRs in the NFL over the last two years. What would his numbers look like with those extra 100 targets? He's also missing out on a ton of RZ targets due to CMC.
Tyreek - 341 (Missed 1 game)
Lamb - 337
Jefferson - 284 (Missed 7 games in 2023)
St. Brown - 310 (Missed 2 games)
AJ Brown - 303
Aiyuk - 219
I can't imagine we'd be giving up a 1st rounder for him though.
Fair points, but he’s also had CMC, Deebo and Kittle taking defensive attention away from him too. How will he handle being the top dog and a focus of opposing D’s?
I like Aiyuk, but I hate giving up a high pick for him, given that he will need to be paid. As others have noted, he’s had maturity issues in the past, how will he handle a big payday?
I’d rather use a high pick to move up to grab a WR and a QB in the draft.
He had 31 receptions for 390 yards in the 4 games Debo missed last year...he has been SF's #1 wr for the past 2 years. Debo is an elite gadget guy.
This is exactly what Pugh said in his podcast yesterday
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I hope they know what they're doing wrt QB 4-6.
So do we! Jon, gotta lol at this and wonder if they're as fractured internally as BBI, according to which any of the QBs' potential elite NFL genes
is 1/unknowable, 2/ will be available @ 6 or via trade, or 3/ (via Terps) is a dead certainty to roll with.
Hope all good.
CHP, all is good, chaotic and mega busy and my son is almost 5 already! Good to hear from you. Think QB hinges on Maye being there at #3 with Daniels gone at #2. Don't think they go QB at #6 otherwise, but would think they'll try to trade up from #47 with picks from next year.
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Brandon Aiyuk here.
His first two years he was under 1000 yards, but he was catching balls from CJ Beathard, Trey Lance, Nick Mullens and some Jimmy G.
Since SF has put a decent QB on the field two years ago he's averaging 1200 yards and 7.5 TDs a season. That's with CMC, Deebo & Kittle taking touches away from him.
He's got good numbers on a lot less targets than the other top WRs in the NFL. Here are the number of targets for the top WRs in the NFL over the last two years. What would his numbers look like with those extra 100 targets? He's also missing out on a ton of RZ targets due to CMC.
Tyreek - 341 (Missed 1 game)
Lamb - 337
Jefferson - 284 (Missed 7 games in 2023)
St. Brown - 310 (Missed 2 games)
AJ Brown - 303
Aiyuk - 219
I can't imagine we'd be giving up a 1st rounder for him though.
Fair points, but he’s also had CMC, Deebo and Kittle taking defensive attention away from him too. How will he handle being the top dog and a focus of opposing D’s?
I like Aiyuk, but I hate giving up a high pick for him, given that he will need to be paid. As others have noted, he’s had maturity issues in the past, how will he handle a big payday?
I’d rather use a high pick to move up to grab a WR and a QB in the draft.
I'm under the assumption we'd only be trading for Aiyuk if we got a QB in the 1st round. So then you ask yourself would you rather have Aiyuk or a 2nd round WR. The answer to that should be pretty easy.
So a 3-5th rd pick this year and a conditional next year could be on the table..
Id prefer to draft a WR.
Id prefer to draft a WR.
0.00% chance
I know the notion tends to favor towards the WR draft pick because of the cost control, but Aiyuk is an absolute stud.
So a 3-5th rd pick this year and a conditional next year could be on the table..
While I think 70 would be a starting point, I believe 47 and conditional next year would end up doing it. At 47 we might not have options for WR1 upside guys. I see Franklin, Leggette, Mitchell, Pearsall and others going end of rd1 and early rd2. The pickings are likely to be slim for wr at 47 if you closely observe the wr needy teams ahead of us (Jacksonville, Pittsburgh, Carolina, Washington, Buffalo, Indianapolis, Cincinnati, Arizona, Baltimore, SF, KC, NE, LAC. I see a high likelihood of around 15 WRs taken before our pick 47.
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Brandon Aiyuk here.
His first two years he was under 1000 yards, but he was catching balls from CJ Beathard, Trey Lance, Nick Mullens and some Jimmy G.
Since SF has put a decent QB on the field two years ago he's averaging 1200 yards and 7.5 TDs a season. That's with CMC, Deebo & Kittle taking touches away from him.
He's got good numbers on a lot less targets than the other top WRs in the NFL. Here are the number of targets for the top WRs in the NFL over the last two years. What would his numbers look like with those extra 100 targets? He's also missing out on a ton of RZ targets due to CMC.
Tyreek - 341 (Missed 1 game)
Lamb - 337
Jefferson - 284 (Missed 7 games in 2023)
St. Brown - 310 (Missed 2 games)
AJ Brown - 303
Aiyuk - 219
I can't imagine we'd be giving up a 1st rounder for him though.
Fair points, but he’s also had CMC, Deebo and Kittle taking defensive attention away from him too. How will he handle being the top dog and a focus of opposing D’s?
I like Aiyuk, but I hate giving up a high pick for him, given that he will need to be paid. As others have noted, he’s had maturity issues in the past, how will he handle a big payday?
I’d rather use a high pick to move up to grab a WR and a QB in the draft.
I'm under the assumption we'd only be trading for Aiyuk if we got a QB in the 1st round. So then you ask yourself would you rather have Aiyuk or a 2nd round WR. The answer to that should be pretty easy.
I'd prefer the rookie and cap space over the vet and high salary. This is a very good WR class. The wise move helps the team and the cap.
1. The cap wouldn't work without rookie qb
2. If no rd1 qb then we could get an elite wr prospect
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Brandon Aiyuk here.
His first two years he was under 1000 yards, but he was catching balls from CJ Beathard, Trey Lance, Nick Mullens and some Jimmy G.
Since SF has put a decent QB on the field two years ago he's averaging 1200 yards and 7.5 TDs a season. That's with CMC, Deebo & Kittle taking touches away from him.
He's got good numbers on a lot less targets than the other top WRs in the NFL. Here are the number of targets for the top WRs in the NFL over the last two years. What would his numbers look like with those extra 100 targets? He's also missing out on a ton of RZ targets due to CMC.
Tyreek - 341 (Missed 1 game)
Lamb - 337
Jefferson - 284 (Missed 7 games in 2023)
St. Brown - 310 (Missed 2 games)
AJ Brown - 303
Aiyuk - 219
I can't imagine we'd be giving up a 1st rounder for him though.
Fair points, but he’s also had CMC, Deebo and Kittle taking defensive attention away from him too. How will he handle being the top dog and a focus of opposing D’s?
I like Aiyuk, but I hate giving up a high pick for him, given that he will need to be paid. As others have noted, he’s had maturity issues in the past, how will he handle a big payday?
I’d rather use a high pick to move up to grab a WR and a QB in the draft.
I'm under the assumption we'd only be trading for Aiyuk if we got a QB in the 1st round. So then you ask yourself would you rather have Aiyuk or a 2nd round WR. The answer to that should be pretty easy.
I'd prefer the rookie and cap space over the vet and high salary. This is a very good WR class. The wise move helps the team and the cap.
See my comment above, we will very likely not have wr1 potential guys at 47.
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Brandon Aiyuk here.
His first two years he was under 1000 yards, but he was catching balls from CJ Beathard, Trey Lance, Nick Mullens and some Jimmy G.
Since SF has put a decent QB on the field two years ago he's averaging 1200 yards and 7.5 TDs a season. That's with CMC, Deebo & Kittle taking touches away from him.
He's got good numbers on a lot less targets than the other top WRs in the NFL. Here are the number of targets for the top WRs in the NFL over the last two years. What would his numbers look like with those extra 100 targets? He's also missing out on a ton of RZ targets due to CMC.
Tyreek - 341 (Missed 1 game)
Lamb - 337
Jefferson - 284 (Missed 7 games in 2023)
St. Brown - 310 (Missed 2 games)
AJ Brown - 303
Aiyuk - 219
I can't imagine we'd be giving up a 1st rounder for him though.
Fair points, but he’s also had CMC, Deebo and Kittle taking defensive attention away from him too. How will he handle being the top dog and a focus of opposing D’s?
I like Aiyuk, but I hate giving up a high pick for him, given that he will need to be paid. As others have noted, he’s had maturity issues in the past, how will he handle a big payday?
I’d rather use a high pick to move up to grab a WR and a QB in the draft.
I'm under the assumption we'd only be trading for Aiyuk if we got a QB in the 1st round. So then you ask yourself would you rather have Aiyuk or a 2nd round WR. The answer to that should be pretty easy.
I'd prefer the rookie and cap space over the vet and high salary. This is a very good WR class. The wise move helps the team and the cap.
At 47 we would likely be looking at wrs rated 75 and below on Sy's grading for instance. 47 would be cb or dl or rb after a lot of wrs go before pick 47.
Just look at how he's thrived in games without Debo. 31 receptions for 390 yards in the 4 games without Debo last year. That's 124 receptions for 1560 yards over a 16 game season.
I agree. It would be similar to the Burns trade. 49ers can't sign him long term. They need to trade him before the draft if they want to get maximum value and a pick this year to move forward.
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Brandon Aiyuk here.
His first two years he was under 1000 yards, but he was catching balls from CJ Beathard, Trey Lance, Nick Mullens and some Jimmy G.
Since SF has put a decent QB on the field two years ago he's averaging 1200 yards and 7.5 TDs a season. That's with CMC, Deebo & Kittle taking touches away from him.
He's got good numbers on a lot less targets than the other top WRs in the NFL. Here are the number of targets for the top WRs in the NFL over the last two years. What would his numbers look like with those extra 100 targets? He's also missing out on a ton of RZ targets due to CMC.
Tyreek - 341 (Missed 1 game)
Lamb - 337
Jefferson - 284 (Missed 7 games in 2023)
St. Brown - 310 (Missed 2 games)
AJ Brown - 303
Aiyuk - 219
I can't imagine we'd be giving up a 1st rounder for him though.
Fair points, but he’s also had CMC, Deebo and Kittle taking defensive attention away from him too. How will he handle being the top dog and a focus of opposing D’s?
I like Aiyuk, but I hate giving up a high pick for him, given that he will need to be paid. As others have noted, he’s had maturity issues in the past, how will he handle a big payday?
I’d rather use a high pick to move up to grab a WR and a QB in the draft.
I'm under the assumption we'd only be trading for Aiyuk if we got a QB in the 1st round. So then you ask yourself would you rather have Aiyuk or a 2nd round WR. The answer to that should be pretty easy.
I'd prefer the rookie and cap space over the vet and high salary. This is a very good WR class. The wise move helps the team and the cap.
This is when we should be loading up on good young players that can continue to improve. We are about to have DJ off the books and have a QB on a rookie contract.
I'd much rather have a proven #1 WR that's expensive than taking a guy like Legette/Pearsall just because they are cheap.
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Brandon Aiyuk here.
His first two years he was under 1000 yards, but he was catching balls from CJ Beathard, Trey Lance, Nick Mullens and some Jimmy G.
Since SF has put a decent QB on the field two years ago he's averaging 1200 yards and 7.5 TDs a season. That's with CMC, Deebo & Kittle taking touches away from him.
He's got good numbers on a lot less targets than the other top WRs in the NFL. Here are the number of targets for the top WRs in the NFL over the last two years. What would his numbers look like with those extra 100 targets? He's also missing out on a ton of RZ targets due to CMC.
Tyreek - 341 (Missed 1 game)
Lamb - 337
Jefferson - 284 (Missed 7 games in 2023)
St. Brown - 310 (Missed 2 games)
AJ Brown - 303
Aiyuk - 219
I can't imagine we'd be giving up a 1st rounder for him though.
Fair points, but he’s also had CMC, Deebo and Kittle taking defensive attention away from him too. How will he handle being the top dog and a focus of opposing D’s?
I like Aiyuk, but I hate giving up a high pick for him, given that he will need to be paid. As others have noted, he’s had maturity issues in the past, how will he handle a big payday?
I’d rather use a high pick to move up to grab a WR and a QB in the draft.
I'm under the assumption we'd only be trading for Aiyuk if we got a QB in the 1st round. So then you ask yourself would you rather have Aiyuk or a 2nd round WR. The answer to that should be pretty easy.
I'd prefer the rookie and cap space over the vet and high salary. This is a very good WR class. The wise move helps the team and the cap.
This is when we should be loading up on good young players that can continue to improve. We are about to have DJ off the books and have a QB on a rookie contract.
I'd much rather have a proven #1 WR that's expensive than taking a guy like Legette/Pearsall just because they are cheap.
Plus those guys are very unlikely to last until pick 47. Pick 47 bpa will very likelh not align with WR.
Yeah we have a lot of holes but if the QB hits and Aiyuk makes our WR core legit plus a solid defense then we are going to be competing for the playoffs. Plenty of time to fill those holes from now until 2029.
I think most people would agree...but then you have the money factor.
Trading for Aiyuk you’re getting a better player now, who will be off the books when you pay your rookie QB and then you can replace him with a rookie WR.
It’s the perfect time to add a big money proven wide receiver who is still in his prime.
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At 47 aren’t as great as people want to believe. At 6 it’s probably even a 50-50 chance Nabers or Odunze are as good or better than Aiyuk
I think most people would agree...but then you have the money factor.
That's where the rookie qb contract is such a jackpot in the NFL. We would have 4 years of paying the QB 5-6.5 million per year. Thus we could have Burns, Aiyuk and Maye for the price of about DJ+Waller.
This is the simplest way to put it.
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they have a shot of one of the top QBs so they are getting their receiver via trade.
This is the simplest way to put it.
It would likely be done after we get QB during the draft if it were to happen.
Jones couldn’t get it done if he had Rice, Taylor, Roger Craig, and Brent Jones in their primes…
this guy likes attention
Who exactly are you referring to?
If they can get him for #47, I’m on board.
Though I will say they should at least wait until draft day…trading for Aiyuk would make QB a near certainty at 6…but don’t want to telegraph it as Minnesota, Denver are lurking…
That would be my expectation.
"Weapons for Daniel" is not the route to go.
I’m sure there’ll be some excuse that is being workshopped now.
"Fix the offensive line!!!" is what it would be.
Unfortunately, yes I can.
He’s more than a good player, let’s not downplay his talent and production just because he was in that offense without enough targets.
Glad to hear...heart is in Pine Bush and Montgomery.
Almost 5!! Time to start grooming him for Jints and Rangers' Blue?? Already underway!!
How they gonna pry Maye from the Pats?
Was Mara with Kraft in the strip club?
I see Aiyuk in the space between a WR1 and a WR2. Very good player, but nothing very special. He highly doubt he scares the piss out of DCs like a Hill or Jefferson.
But I'm not going to try to dissuade you if you think he's a true WR1.
However, I keep going back to the fact, and it is a fact, that the WR pipeline from college is pretty damn reliable YoY. Which means Aiyuk-types are going to be available and at a much cheaper rate.
I'd rather risk finding that Aiyuk-type in the draft than paying a huge nut for the actual Aiyuk.
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I’m not sure what you are watching. Give him a full dose of #1 targets and he’s putting up 100/1500/10.
I see Aiyuk in the space between a WR1 and a WR2. Very good player, but nothing very special. He highly doubt he scares the piss out of DCs like a Hill or Jefferson.
But I'm not going to try to dissuade you if you think he's a true WR1.
However, I keep going back to the fact, and it is a fact, that the WR pipeline from college is pretty damn reliable YoY. Which means Aiyuk-types are going to be available and at a much cheaper rate.
I'd rather risk finding that Aiyuk-type in the draft than paying a huge nut for the actual Aiyuk.
Name 15 wrs better.
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I’m not sure what you are watching. Give him a full dose of #1 targets and he’s putting up 100/1500/10.
I see Aiyuk in the space between a WR1 and a WR2. Very good player, but nothing very special. He highly doubt he scares the piss out of DCs like a Hill or Jefferson.
But I'm not going to try to dissuade you if you think he's a true WR1.
However, I keep going back to the fact, and it is a fact, that the WR pipeline from college is pretty damn reliable YoY. Which means Aiyuk-types are going to be available and at a much cheaper rate.
I'd rather risk finding that Aiyuk-type in the draft than paying a huge nut for the actual Aiyuk.
Just because he isn't top 5, doesn't mean he isn't a WR1.
Give the rookie every chance to succeed with a proven talent than have two rookies try to figure it out together.
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I’m not sure what you are watching. Give him a full dose of #1 targets and he’s putting up 100/1500/10.
I see Aiyuk in the space between a WR1 and a WR2. Very good player, but nothing very special. He highly doubt he scares the piss out of DCs like a Hill or Jefferson.
But I'm not going to try to dissuade you if you think he's a true WR1.
However, I keep going back to the fact, and it is a fact, that the WR pipeline from college is pretty damn reliable YoY. Which means Aiyuk-types are going to be available and at a much cheaper rate.
I'd rather risk finding that Aiyuk-type in the draft than paying a huge nut for the actual Aiyuk.
PFFs 2nd rated receiver:
The 49ers' top wide receiver in 2023, Aiyuk was one of only three wideouts to average more than 3.00 yards per route run in the regular season, with his 3.01 mark ranking third at the position. He finished the year with just two drops from 86 catchable targets.
Missed 1 game in the past 3 years? Chase, Jefferson, Hill, Brown, and then who else is in tier 1 WR1? Aiyuk is definitively in the tier after the elite upper echelon wr1s and he is a wr1, not somewhere in between wr1 and wr2. There's no comparison between Aiyuk and say Tee Higgins (even if Higgins could stay healthy).
Give the rookie every chance to succeed with a proven talent than have two rookies try to figure it out together.
Exactly, I know you love Maye bw. You don't want to get him a security blanket wr1 whom pairs perfectly with Wandale. Hyatt and Slayton? Then I guess you don't want to give Maye the best chance to succeed?
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I’m not sure what you are watching. Give him a full dose of #1 targets and he’s putting up 100/1500/10.
I see Aiyuk in the space between a WR1 and a WR2. Very good player, but nothing very special. He highly doubt he scares the piss out of DCs like a Hill or Jefferson.
But I'm not going to try to dissuade you if you think he's a true WR1.
However, I keep going back to the fact, and it is a fact, that the WR pipeline from college is pretty damn reliable YoY. Which means Aiyuk-types are going to be available and at a much cheaper rate.
I'd rather risk finding that Aiyuk-type in the draft than paying a huge nut for the actual Aiyuk.
I am mostly of this mind too, but I think the x-factor is how much a vet alpha in the WR room can help a rookie along. Schoen saw it in Buffalo with Diggs launching Allen's development to new levels. I wonder if they want that influence from the get-go and not two rooks figuring things out.
Name 15 wrs better.
I'm not sure I can. Aiyuk is probably in the 8-12 range with a bunch of other WRs who are very similar in skill. Skill that, again, I don't find very special.
Like I said to UConn, I won't begrudge anyone feeling that Aiyuk is a WR1. I get the proven asset POV.
I just don't like the acquisition costs when I trust the annual supply coming in from college.
Stay at 6 take either Nabers or Odunze and we get them for 5 years on a rookie deal.
Agreed.
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Name 15 wrs better.
I'm not sure I can. Aiyuk is probably in the 8-12 range with a bunch of other WRs who are very similar in skill. Skill that, again, I don't find very special.
Like I said to UConn, I won't begrudge anyone feeling that Aiyuk is a WR1. I get the proven asset POV.
I just don't like the acquisition costs when I trust the annual supply coming in from college. [/quote
So, hypothetically speaking You'd rather take your chances in the draft for Maye to get a security blanket receiver vs. Trading say pick 47 and a conditional 3rd in 2025 draft? I don't think anyone is suggesting he's a top 5 elite wr, otherwise the trade price would be like the Tyreek Hill trade. I wouldn't do this unless we had a definitive plan in place for a QB in this draft (likely Maye according to all the reports here). If you only consider wr1s to be the top5 wrs in the NFL, then sure he isn't a wr1. I think there is a much wider range than that though. Any WR that is the top option for an offense demanding the top cb and some doubles yet still produces well is a wr1 in my book. Im surprised you wouldn't want this for your boy Maye to have the best situation possible. Spend draft picks on our other holes and give Maye the most high percentages chance to thrive (which means Aiyuk>a mid 2nd rd receiver likely after the top 10-15 receivers are taken).
College game has been and will continue to send quality WR's to the NFL imv. This draft is very deep with WR's.
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I doubt the 49ers take anything less than a 1st. I am not giving the 6th pick for him. Especially since we would have to pay him 25-30 mil a year.
Stay at 6 take either Nabers or Odunze and we get them for 5 years on a rookie deal.
Agreed.
Let's see..AJ Brown was a top 5 wr and traded for pick 18 and pick 101. Tyreek Hill was traded to Miami for five draft picks — 2022 first-, second-, and fourth-round picks as well as 2023 fourth- and sixth-round picks (and Miami was definitively picking after 20 in rd1). Why would Aiyuk get more than pick 47 and a 2025 conditional 3rd? Pick 47 and a 2025 2nd for Aiyuk, pick 18 and 101 for a younger and better Aj Brown, no one is giving a #1 for him besides maybe the Bills and I don't think he fits in their cap plans.
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I’m not sure what you are watching. Give him a full dose of #1 targets and he’s putting up 100/1500/10.
I see Aiyuk in the space between a WR1 and a WR2. Very good player, but nothing very special. He highly doubt he scares the piss out of DCs like a Hill or Jefferson.
But I'm not going to try to dissuade you if you think he's a true WR1.
However, I keep going back to the fact, and it is a fact, that the WR pipeline from college is pretty damn reliable YoY. Which means Aiyuk-types are going to be available and at a much cheaper rate.
I'd rather risk finding that Aiyuk-type in the draft than paying a huge nut for the actual Aiyuk.
He's easily WR1 on the Giants.
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I’m not sure what you are watching. Give him a full dose of #1 targets and he’s putting up 100/1500/10.
I see Aiyuk in the space between a WR1 and a WR2. Very good player, but nothing very special. He highly doubt he scares the piss out of DCs like a Hill or Jefferson.
But I'm not going to try to dissuade you if you think he's a true WR1.
However, I keep going back to the fact, and it is a fact, that the WR pipeline from college is pretty damn reliable YoY. Which means Aiyuk-types are going to be available and at a much cheaper rate.
I'd rather risk finding that Aiyuk-type in the draft than paying a huge nut for the actual Aiyuk.
He's easily WR1 on the Giants.
He's WR1 for 2/3 to 3/4 of NFL teams.
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I doubt the 49ers take anything less than a 1st. I am not giving the 6th pick for him. Especially since we would have to pay him 25-30 mil a year.
Stay at 6 take either Nabers or Odunze and we get them for 5 years on a rookie deal.
Agreed.
Let's see..AJ Brown was a top 5 wr and traded for pick 18 and pick 101. Tyreek Hill was traded to Miami for five draft picks — 2022 first-, second-, and fourth-round picks as well as 2023 fourth- and sixth-round picks (and Miami was definitively picking after 20 in rd1). Why would Aiyuk get more than pick 47 and a 2025 conditional 3rd? Pick 47 and a 2025 2nd for Aiyuk, pick 18 and 101 for a younger and better Aj Brown, no one is giving a #1 for him besides maybe the Bills and I don't think he fits in their cap plans.
It's not just the draft capital, it's the contract we'd have to give him. I'd rather have MHJ, Nabers, or Odunze on a rookie contract.
Constantly trading premium picks for expensive players is a bad way to build a team IMO. It shows a lack of confidence in scouting. I can understand doing it for Burns because we had a crying need for another DE, who will only make KT more effective, had an extra second round pick, and got him for a lot less than the two firsts and a second that the Rams apparently offered Carolina. I can also understand in some cases doing it for a QB. But the better decision in this case is to simply draft one of the "big three" WRs. At least one is guaranteed to be available at #6.
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I doubt the 49ers take anything less than a 1st. I am not giving the 6th pick for him. Especially since we would have to pay him 25-30 mil a year.
Stay at 6 take either Nabers or Odunze and we get them for 5 years on a rookie deal.
Agreed.
Let's see..AJ Brown was a top 5 wr and traded for pick 18 and pick 101. Tyreek Hill was traded to Miami for five draft picks — 2022 first-, second-, and fourth-round picks as well as 2023 fourth- and sixth-round picks (and Miami was definitively picking after 20 in rd1). Why would Aiyuk get more than pick 47 and a 2025 conditional 3rd? Pick 47 and a 2025 2nd for Aiyuk, pick 18 and 101 for a younger and better Aj Brown, no one is giving a #1 for him besides maybe the Bills and I don't think he fits in their cap plans.
Diggs was traded to the Bills for pick 22, 5th 6th and future 4th. He was then a top 5 wr too
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I doubt the 49ers take anything less than a 1st. I am not giving the 6th pick for him. Especially since we would have to pay him 25-30 mil a year.
Stay at 6 take either Nabers or Odunze and we get them for 5 years on a rookie deal.
Agreed.
Let's see..AJ Brown was a top 5 wr and traded for pick 18 and pick 101. Tyreek Hill was traded to Miami for five draft picks — 2022 first-, second-, and fourth-round picks as well as 2023 fourth- and sixth-round picks (and Miami was definitively picking after 20 in rd1). Why would Aiyuk get more than pick 47 and a 2025 conditional 3rd? Pick 47 and a 2025 2nd for Aiyuk, pick 18 and 101 for a younger and better Aj Brown, no one is giving a #1 for him besides maybe the Bills and I don't think he fits in their cap plans.
It's not just the draft capital, it's the contract we'd have to give him. I'd rather have MHJ, Nabers, or Odunze on a rookie contract.
Constantly trading premium picks for expensive players is a bad way to build a team IMO. It shows a lack of confidence in scouting. I can understand doing it for Burns because we had a crying need for another DE, who will only make KT more effective, had an extra second round pick, and got him for a lot less than the two firsts and a second that the Rams apparently offered Carolina. I can also understand in some cases doing it for a QB. But the better decision in this case is to simply draft one of the "big three" WRs. At least one is guaranteed to be available at #6.
This trade would never be done if pick 6 wasn't being used for a QB. So, that's not really valid. I don't think anyone would argue we should trade for Aiyuk if pick 6 isn't used for a QB.
I would only think this would remotely happen if the Giants use the 47th pick (plus others) to trade up from 6 to get a QB and want to make sure to give him a good vet WR to help him right away.. So this trade would happen post draft.
That being said, I think this would be a terrible move.
1) He says he wants to build through the draft. He already traded a 2 & 5 for Burns. Most likely it also means he traded up for a QB using more picks. Now he’s going to trade more, most likely next years picks too to get him?
2) Aiyuk isn’t a #1 WR. Is he good? Yes. But he’s not a top WR. So you’re going to trade picks plus pay him top dollar? Hell no. There’s so many good WR is this draft and pretty much every draft, it’s not worth it to use picks and pay him. He’s not a premier player. Hes a guy that you can easily replace in the draft. No need to trade for a guy like him.
Like Golladay, the only motivating factor for Aiyuk coming here would be getting a guaranteed contract at top of market. And like Golladay, that motivation will be gone the day after he signs that contract. No thanks.
Give me Odunze or Nabers on a rookie contract instead.
Like Golladay, the only motivating factor for Aiyuk coming here would be getting a guaranteed contract at top of market. And like Golladay, that motivation will be gone the day after he signs that contract. No thanks.
He has pro bowl numbers with the appropriate target share. It’s a weird criteria to have given his circumstance. As for pay, yeah he knows he’s not getting it from SF and what’s out, that’s pretty normal in today’s NFL. He’s also an ascending player, completely different from Golladay, not remotely comparable.
If he’s difficult to work with as JonC mentions, that changes things. But neither of us have a clue about that.
Give me Odunze or Nabers on a rookie contract instead.
I'll take that if we can get Penix at the end of rd1.
Thanks for sharing the info.
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I doubt the 49ers take anything less than a 1st. I am not giving the 6th pick for him. Especially since we would have to pay him 25-30 mil a year.
Stay at 6 take either Nabers or Odunze and we get them for 5 years on a rookie deal.
Agreed.
Let's see..AJ Brown was a top 5 wr and traded for pick 18 and pick 101. Tyreek Hill was traded to Miami for five draft picks — 2022 first-, second-, and fourth-round picks as well as 2023 fourth- and sixth-round picks (and Miami was definitively picking after 20 in rd1). Why would Aiyuk get more than pick 47 and a 2025 conditional 3rd? Pick 47 and a 2025 2nd for Aiyuk, pick 18 and 101 for a younger and better Aj Brown, no one is giving a #1 for him besides maybe the Bills and I don't think he fits in their cap plans.
It's not just the draft capital, it's the contract we'd have to give him. I'd rather have MHJ, Nabers, or Odunze on a rookie contract.
Constantly trading premium picks for expensive players is a bad way to build a team IMO. It shows a lack of confidence in scouting. I can understand doing it for Burns because we had a crying need for another DE, who will only make KT more effective, had an extra second round pick, and got him for a lot less than the two firsts and a second that the Rams apparently offered Carolina. I can also understand in some cases doing it for a QB. But the better decision in this case is to simply draft one of the "big three" WRs. At least one is guaranteed to be available at #6.
This trade would never be done if pick 6 wasn't being used for a QB. So, that's not really valid. I don't think anyone would argue we should trade for Aiyuk if pick 6 isn't used for a QB.
I wouldn't trade for Aiyuk even if we do use pick #6 for a QB, either at that slot or as part of a trade package to trade up. We already have Slayton, Robinson, and Hyatt, and can add a near "sure thing" WR at #6 for a fraction of what it would cost to pay Aiyuk.
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I doubt the 49ers take anything less than a 1st. I am not giving the 6th pick for him. Especially since we would have to pay him 25-30 mil a year.
Stay at 6 take either Nabers or Odunze and we get them for 5 years on a rookie deal.
Agreed.
Let's see..AJ Brown was a top 5 wr and traded for pick 18 and pick 101. Tyreek Hill was traded to Miami for five draft picks — 2022 first-, second-, and fourth-round picks as well as 2023 fourth- and sixth-round picks (and Miami was definitively picking after 20 in rd1). Why would Aiyuk get more than pick 47 and a 2025 conditional 3rd? Pick 47 and a 2025 2nd for Aiyuk, pick 18 and 101 for a younger and better Aj Brown, no one is giving a #1 for him besides maybe the Bills and I don't think he fits in their cap plans.
It's not just the draft capital, it's the contract we'd have to give him. I'd rather have MHJ, Nabers, or Odunze on a rookie contract.
Constantly trading premium picks for expensive players is a bad way to build a team IMO. It shows a lack of confidence in scouting. I can understand doing it for Burns because we had a crying need for another DE, who will only make KT more effective, had an extra second round pick, and got him for a lot less than the two firsts and a second that the Rams apparently offered Carolina. I can also understand in some cases doing it for a QB. But the better decision in this case is to simply draft one of the "big three" WRs. At least one is guaranteed to be available at #6.
This trade would never be done if pick 6 wasn't being used for a QB. So, that's not really valid. I don't think anyone would argue we should trade for Aiyuk if pick 6 isn't used for a QB.
I wouldn't trade for Aiyuk even if we do use pick #6 for a QB, either at that slot or as part of a trade package to trade up. We already have Slayton, Robinson, and Hyatt, and can add a near "sure thing" WR at #6 for a fraction of what it would cost to pay Aiyuk.
How can you add a QB at 6 and then draft a WR at 6 for a fraction of the cost. I mean if that is possible sign me up!
I know that's not what most want, but it is plausible.
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I doubt the 49ers take anything less than a 1st. I am not giving the 6th pick for him. Especially since we would have to pay him 25-30 mil a year.
Stay at 6 take either Nabers or Odunze and we get them for 5 years on a rookie deal.
Agreed.
Let's see..AJ Brown was a top 5 wr and traded for pick 18 and pick 101. Tyreek Hill was traded to Miami for five draft picks — 2022 first-, second-, and fourth-round picks as well as 2023 fourth- and sixth-round picks (and Miami was definitively picking after 20 in rd1). Why would Aiyuk get more than pick 47 and a 2025 conditional 3rd? Pick 47 and a 2025 2nd for Aiyuk, pick 18 and 101 for a younger and better Aj Brown, no one is giving a #1 for him besides maybe the Bills and I don't think he fits in their cap plans.
It's not just the draft capital, it's the contract we'd have to give him. I'd rather have MHJ, Nabers, or Odunze on a rookie contract.
Constantly trading premium picks for expensive players is a bad way to build a team IMO. It shows a lack of confidence in scouting. I can understand doing it for Burns because we had a crying need for another DE, who will only make KT more effective, had an extra second round pick, and got him for a lot less than the two firsts and a second that the Rams apparently offered Carolina. I can also understand in some cases doing it for a QB. But the better decision in this case is to simply draft one of the "big three" WRs. At least one is guaranteed to be available at #6.
This trade would never be done if pick 6 wasn't being used for a QB. So, that's not really valid. I don't think anyone would argue we should trade for Aiyuk if pick 6 isn't used for a QB.
I wouldn't trade for Aiyuk even if we do use pick #6 for a QB, either at that slot or as part of a trade package to trade up. We already have Slayton, Robinson, and Hyatt, and can add a near "sure thing" WR at #6 for a fraction of what it would cost to pay Aiyuk.
How can you add a QB at 6 and then draft a WR at 6 for a fraction of the cost. I mean if that is possible sign me up!
Yeah, sorry. That was not well stated. Obviously, I meant if we don't draft a QB at #6 then we can add one of the "big three" at a fraction of the cost of trading for Aiyuk.
I know a lot of people are going to say this and blast him like always, but in fairness, he’s never had anything remotely close to that level of talent when he’s played. Over the hill Golden Tate, Golladay, Slayton who at the time almost got cut, Collin Johnson, Sills, Hodgins, Ritchie James etc. Basically practice squad players that aren’t in the league right now.
In 2022 Richie James led the Giants in receiving. Last year with Mahomes and a Chiefs team desperate for WR help James had 10 catches on the year.
Now before people blast me I’m not saying DJ would be good, but to be fair & honest he’s had nowhere near that quality of weapons before. He’s had the worst surrounding cast including OLine in the NFL since he’s been playing.
I know it sounds like I’m making excuses, all I’m saying is to be fair & honest he’s had nowhere near that kind of talent before.
*Ducks*
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Yeah, sorry. That was not well stated. Obviously, I meant if we don't draft a QB at #6 then we can add one of the "big three" at a fraction of the cost of trading for Aiyuk.
No sorry I was just teasing. I think Aiyuk is only on the board for us if we go QB at pick 6. I don't think we get Aiyuk if we don't get that QB.
What if you have Bowers clearly rated above the 3 WRs?
I don’t know, this scenario crossed my draft-crazed mind.
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I doubt the 49ers take anything less than a 1st. I am not giving the 6th pick for him. Especially since we would have to pay him 25-30 mil a year.
Stay at 6 take either Nabers or Odunze and we get them for 5 years on a rookie deal.
Agreed.
Let's see..AJ Brown was a top 5 wr and traded for pick 18 and pick 101. Tyreek Hill was traded to Miami for five draft picks — 2022 first-, second-, and fourth-round picks as well as 2023 fourth- and sixth-round picks (and Miami was definitively picking after 20 in rd1). Why would Aiyuk get more than pick 47 and a 2025 conditional 3rd? Pick 47 and a 2025 2nd for Aiyuk, pick 18 and 101 for a younger and better Aj Brown, no one is giving a #1 for him besides maybe the Bills and I don't think he fits in their cap plans.
AJ Brown wasn't a top 5 WR when he was traded. Diggs wasn't really either. It was after their trades they turned into top star WRs. Lets look at the WRs being talked about here before and after their trades.
AJ Brown 3 years in Tennessee...
52 catches 1051 yards 8 TDs
70 catches 1075 yards 11 TDs
63 catches 869 yards 5 TDs
AJ Brown in Philly
88 and 106 catches with 1496 and 1456 yards 11 and 7 TDs
People act like he was putting up numbers like he was in Philly but he wasn't.
Stefon Diggs in Minny...
52 catches 720 yards 4 TDs
84 catches 904 yards 3 TDs
64 catches 849 yards 8 TDs
101 catches 1029 yards 9 TDs
63 catches 1130 yards 6 TDs
First year in Buffalo...
127 catches 1535 yards 8 TDs
Never less than 100 catches in the 4 years with buffalo and never even close to being under 1000 yards.
Again much better after the trade
Brandon Aiyuk in SF...
60 catches 748 yards 5 TDs
56 catches 826 yards 5 TDs
78 catches 1015 yards 8 TDs
75 catches 1342 yards 7 TDs
Aiyuk's last year was better than both AJ Browns and Stefon Diggs best years before being traded.
So let's at least get history correct when we do this.
Imagine if he ripped it up, like Tua did after they got Waddle & Hill? Or Hurts did after they got Smith & Brown?
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I doubt the 49ers take anything less than a 1st. I am not giving the 6th pick for him. Especially since we would have to pay him 25-30 mil a year.
Stay at 6 take either Nabers or Odunze and we get them for 5 years on a rookie deal.
Agreed.
Let's see..AJ Brown was a top 5 wr and traded for pick 18 and pick 101. Tyreek Hill was traded to Miami for five draft picks — 2022 first-, second-, and fourth-round picks as well as 2023 fourth- and sixth-round picks (and Miami was definitively picking after 20 in rd1). Why would Aiyuk get more than pick 47 and a 2025 conditional 3rd? Pick 47 and a 2025 2nd for Aiyuk, pick 18 and 101 for a younger and better Aj Brown, no one is giving a #1 for him besides maybe the Bills and I don't think he fits in their cap plans.
AJ Brown wasn't a top 5 WR when he was traded. Diggs wasn't really either. It was after their trades they turned into top star WRs. Lets look at the WRs being talked about here before and after their trades.
AJ Brown 3 years in Tennessee...
52 catches 1051 yards 8 TDs
70 catches 1075 yards 11 TDs
63 catches 869 yards 5 TDs
AJ Brown in Philly
88 and 106 catches with 1496 and 1456 yards 11 and 7 TDs
People act like he was putting up numbers like he was in Philly but he wasn't.
Stefon Diggs in Minny...
52 catches 720 yards 4 TDs
84 catches 904 yards 3 TDs
64 catches 849 yards 8 TDs
101 catches 1029 yards 9 TDs
63 catches 1130 yards 6 TDs
First year in Buffalo...
127 catches 1535 yards 8 TDs
Never less than 100 catches in the 4 years with buffalo and never even close to being under 1000 yards.
Again much better after the trade
Brandon Aiyuk in SF...
60 catches 748 yards 5 TDs
56 catches 826 yards 5 TDs
78 catches 1015 yards 8 TDs
75 catches 1342 yards 7 TDs
Aiyuk's last year was better than both AJ Browns and Stefon Diggs best years before being traded.
So let's at least get history correct when we do this.
That's a good point, they both had bad qb play but were bona-fide wr1 in my mind
The excuse would be there were too many good receivers demanding the ball.
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Aiyuk, Nabers, Robinson, Hyatt and if Jones still couldn't get it done?
The excuse would be there were too many good receivers demanding the ball.
We’ve screwed him up again - too many choices for Danny Boy to think about in huddle and reading those individual route and option trees!!
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Aiyuk, Nabers, Robinson, Hyatt and if Jones still couldn't get it done?
Imagine if he ripped it up, like Tua did after they got Waddle & Hill? Or Hurts did after they got Smith & Brown?
That would be awesome. He might have some trade value.
Bump!
I see Aiyuk in the space between a WR1 and a WR2. Very good player, but nothing very special. He highly doubt he scares the piss out of DCs like a Hill or Jefferson.
But I'm not going to try to dissuade you if you think he's a true WR1.
However, I keep going back to the fact, and it is a fact, that the WR pipeline from college is pretty damn reliable YoY. Which means Aiyuk-types are going to be available and at a much cheaper rate.
I'd rather risk finding that Aiyuk-type in the draft than paying a huge nut for the actual Aiyuk.
He's easily WR1 on the Giants.
I cede that point.
I just don't think it's wise to pay nearly $30M AAV for a WR who is very good, not great (as I see it).
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I see Aiyuk in the space between a WR1 and a WR2. Very good player, but nothing very special. He highly doubt he scares the piss out of DCs like a Hill or Jefferson.
But I'm not going to try to dissuade you if you think he's a true WR1.
However, I keep going back to the fact, and it is a fact, that the WR pipeline from college is pretty damn reliable YoY. Which means Aiyuk-types are going to be available and at a much cheaper rate.
I'd rather risk finding that Aiyuk-type in the draft than paying a huge nut for the actual Aiyuk.
He's easily WR1 on the Giants.
I cede that point.
I just don't think it's wise to pay nearly $30M AAV for a WR who is very good, not great (as I see it).
I would imagine 25aav like D. Smith got seems comprable.
Aiyuk is a bona-fide stud whose upside may be even higher on higher volume. Look at his catch rate and YPC. Factoring in age, there are only about 10 players on that list i'd rather have than him.
a lot like Burns i expect there would be a team willing to give up a first round pick for him even with a big contract, but if not sign me up for a 2nd.
So, hypothetically speaking You'd rather take your chances in the draft for Maye to get a security blanket receiver vs. Trading say pick 47 and a conditional 3rd in 2025 draft? I don't think anyone is suggesting he's a top 5 elite wr, otherwise the trade price would be like the Tyreek Hill trade. I wouldn't do this unless we had a definitive plan in place for a QB in this draft (likely Maye according to all the reports here). If you only consider wr1s to be the top5 wrs in the NFL, then sure he isn't a wr1. I think there is a much wider range than that though. Any WR that is the top option for an offense demanding the top cb and some doubles yet still produces well is a wr1 in my book. Im surprised you wouldn't want this for your boy Maye to have the best situation possible. Spend draft picks on our other holes and give Maye the most high percentages chance to thrive (which means Aiyuk>a mid 2nd rd receiver likely after the top 10-15 receivers are taken).
At the place where this team is currently, yes, I would prefer to take my chances with Maye and cheaper, younger options.
A move for a player like Aiyuk seems like a move for a team in win-now mode looking for a final piece.
he may not get to $30m per year but he probably lands somewhere in between 25m-30m and gets more than the $51m guaranteed.
Not a position to be selling off our own picks for. Use them to find our own Aiyuk and a fraction of the cost.
Could be another draft ploy to make it seem, as many of you have already speculated, that the Giants are going QB round 1.
Could be another draft ploy to make it seem, as many of you have already speculated, that the Giants are going QB round 1.
He's already a #1. He's been the 49ers top receiver the last two years. He's averaging 1200 yards and 7.5 TDs with a 15.5 yards per catch average over the last two years. He's doing that on significantly less targets than Hill/Lamb/Jefferson/Brown etc
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So, hypothetically speaking You'd rather take your chances in the draft for Maye to get a security blanket receiver vs. Trading say pick 47 and a conditional 3rd in 2025 draft? I don't think anyone is suggesting he's a top 5 elite wr, otherwise the trade price would be like the Tyreek Hill trade. I wouldn't do this unless we had a definitive plan in place for a QB in this draft (likely Maye according to all the reports here). If you only consider wr1s to be the top5 wrs in the NFL, then sure he isn't a wr1. I think there is a much wider range than that though. Any WR that is the top option for an offense demanding the top cb and some doubles yet still produces well is a wr1 in my book. Im surprised you wouldn't want this for your boy Maye to have the best situation possible. Spend draft picks on our other holes and give Maye the most high percentages chance to thrive (which means Aiyuk>a mid 2nd rd receiver likely after the top 10-15 receivers are taken).
At the place where this team is currently, yes, I would prefer to take my chances with Maye and cheaper, younger options.
A move for a player like Aiyuk seems like a move for a team in win-now mode looking for a final piece.
BW, you are forgetting Maras bi-polar mantra. “Compete for today, build for tomorrow”.
He’s been trying to do both at the same time for the past 10+ years, not realizing one half assessed attempt plus another half asses attempt does not yield a complete competitive team.
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to pay him? I like him, but not that much. Not sure I really see him as a #1.
Could be another draft ploy to make it seem, as many of you have already speculated, that the Giants are going QB round 1.
He's already a #1. He's been the 49ers top receiver the last two years. He's averaging 1200 yards and 7.5 TDs with a 15.5 yards per catch average over the last two years. He's doing that on significantly less targets than Hill/Lamb/Jefferson/Brown etc
Thanks, Question remains, how will they pay for him?
Could be another draft ploy to make it seem, as many of you have already speculated, that the Giants are going QB round 1.
They pay him by giving him a new contract (which he wants) and constructing it to mitigate the cap hit this year.
Much prefer grab a blue chipper at #6, if no QB.
I am not sure how it fits cap wise but those teams need him and a late first round is worth the investment.
I am not sure how it fits cap wise but those teams need him and a late first round is worth the investment.
Totally agree. this seems like a finishing touch move.
To your point, a team like Baltimore can and should be more willing to outbid NYG (we know NYG aint giving up #6 for him so that leaves 2nds, 3rds, etc)
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to pay him? I like him, but not that much. Not sure I really see him as a #1.
Could be another draft ploy to make it seem, as many of you have already speculated, that the Giants are going QB round 1.
He's already a #1. He's been the 49ers top receiver the last two years. He's averaging 1200 yards and 7.5 TDs with a 15.5 yards per catch average over the last two years. He's doing that on significantly less targets than Hill/Lamb/Jefferson/Brown etc
Thanks, Question remains, how will they pay for him?
very easily.
right now Waller is scheduled to make 10.5m in new cash this year, which could go up to 12m if he hits roster bonuses per game. next year he is on the books for $11.5m that could go up to $13m.
slayton is scheduled to make more than $5m in new cash this year, and he wants a raise over that. As a free agent next year he could easily get himself a 10m aav deal.
Include Slayton in the trade with a 2nd round pick, cut Waller, and you can afford Aiyuk's current $14m cap hit on his 5yo.
If you extend him you can lower that amount by a little this year as is commonly done since he will probably get at least $20m cash in a signing bonus. Calvin Ridley's cap hit this year is $10m. In future years they have plenty of cap space. Without Waller they would have about 45m free next year and more than $100m in 2026. And that's including Jones, cut him and those amounts go up by more than 25m each year.
If they take a rookie scale QB at 6, someone like Aiyuk makes a lot of sense if the cost of acquisition is cheap enough. The odds a pearsall/legette/whoever are as good as him are very low. being willing to pay him a big contract is a way the giants can add an elite WR (in prime) and a QB.
as much as all of us like the top 3 WRs in this draft, the odds they become 1300+ yard receivers in 1 year or amass 4k yards after 4 seasons are probably no better than 50/50. jamarr chase only hit 1300 yards once in 3 years. waddle did in once, d smith hasnt done it yet. garrett wilson hasnt done it yet.
I am not sure how it fits cap wise but those teams need him and a late first round is worth the investment.
Would be tough on cap for those teams, very tough.
I am not sure how it fits cap wise but those teams need him and a late first round is worth the investment.
Would be tough on cap for those teams, very tough.
No one is trading for Aiyuk and not extending him. The Chiefs make a ton of sense both practically and cap-wise.
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Or even Baltimore should be looking to trade their first round pick for him.
I am not sure how it fits cap wise but those teams need him and a late first round is worth the investment.
Would be tough on cap for those teams, very tough.
No one is trading for Aiyuk and not extending him. The Chiefs make a ton of sense both practically and cap-wise.
I guess both Buffalo and KC can just extend their QBs to make it work. I would prefer Adonai Mitchell to that though. Big difference between Adonai and Worthy whom will be the 5th and 6th wrs off the board and the other wrs teams can get in the early 2nd.
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Or even Baltimore should be looking to trade their first round pick for him.
I am not sure how it fits cap wise but those teams need him and a late first round is worth the investment.
Would be tough on cap for those teams, very tough.
No one is trading for Aiyuk and not extending him. The Chiefs make a ton of sense both practically and cap-wise.
I guess both Buffalo and KC can just extend their QBs to make it work. I would prefer Adonai Mitchell to that though. Big difference between Adonai and Worthy whom will be the 5th and 6th wrs off the board and the other wrs teams can get in the early 2nd.
I would say tier 1 is the top 3 tier 2 is btj tier 3 is adonai/Worthy then a big drop off to Franklin/mcconkey/Leggette/pearsall
Much prefer grab a blue chipper at #6, if no QB.
But this seems like a move they would make only if they plan to go QB at 6.
KC is currently 20M below the 2024 cap, 40M below the 2025 cap, and 188M under the 2026 cap.
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KC is currently 20M below the 2024 cap, 40M below the 2025 cap, and 188M under the 2026 cap.
I would still prefer Worthy or Mitchell in rd1 if I were them. I just see a big drop off after them, and the next 4-9 guys will go before pick 47. That's why I would like the move for us. We will likely not have great options at 47 for WR. Worthy and Mitchell are great options, plus 5th year option. At 47 we will be looking at tier 5 or 6 of WRs. I'd rather have Sinnott or Melton or Orhorhoro or Benson at 47 than the tier 5 wrs.