Really like Slayton but the draft is loaded with WR. Hell, he was a 5th round pick that got a 2nd contract. There is a good chance NYG finds another mid round WR.
He is a career 700 yard WR. He is what he is. I like Slayton but I think his problem is between the ears. He needs to attack the ball. Instead he waits for it. But 6 years in it’s the same old Slayton, he’s not going to become a 1300 yard WR.
He’s been a team player, a good guy all around but let’s be honest, he’s an average WR at best. He was their #4 WR going into 2022 and only made the team because of injuries. Has he gotten better? Yeah. He’s caught the ball better which was his biggest issue.
But tell me this, how many teams in the NFL is he a #2 WR on? Not many.
He is a career 700 yard WR. He is what he is. I like Slayton but I think his problem is between the ears. He needs to attack the ball. Instead he waits for it. But 6 years in it’s the same old Slayton, he’s not going to become a 1300 yard WR.
That 700 yards a year lead the team 4 of the last 5 years!
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He is a career 700 yard WR. He is what he is. I like Slayton but I think his problem is between the ears. He needs to attack the ball. Instead he waits for it. But 6 years in it’s the same old Slayton, he’s not going to become a 1300 yard WR.
That 700 yards a year lead the team 4 of the last 5 years!
I hope this doesn't turn into a Barkley situation where we defend the player saying he was our best WR so we cannot move on.
I like Slayton more than most I believe, but get real lol
if it's less about him seeking more money from the current contract, or more about him seeking more years.
probably both.
ill say this, i think slayton in buffalo would have been better than gabe davis, and somehow that guy got 23m guaranteed.
the same was true of MVS and he had gotten about the same a few years ago.
slayton also as good or better than lazard probably.
i dont know why his market was so cool last year, MVS makes even more mistakes than Slayton ever made, but i think if he had hit FA this year he'd have gotten more than 10m guaranteed.
id be willing to trade him but if he's reasonable id also be willing to negotiate an extension.
im not sure he's reasonable, and he may see writing on wall that in a walk year there may not be so many balls for him if nyg end up with a top WR (along with hyatt/robinson, waller who knows).
than most seem to be giving him here. He's been a relatively healthy, and tough through injuries player. Considering our offense, I think he's making a very calculated move here.
Trust me, nobody mistakes him for Ceedee, but he would upgrade KC in a picosecond.
His contract provides some surplus value to the Giants
and NYG could probably trade him for an early day 3 pick. But, he just signed the contract a year ago and you usually don't see players of his caliber hold out.
He'll ultimately show up to camp. Even if NYG takes a WR1 at #6, a WR room with Nabers, Robinson, Slayton, Hyatt, Hodgkins and whoever is better with him on the team.
been harder on Slayton than me. I can't stand all his drops especially on deep TD passes. However I have to say last year he really caught the ball well. If he can do that again it would be nice.
He should get an extension. He’s been our best WR with trash at QB the past few years.
Would love to see him with someone like Penix at QB. Could be a solid 2/3 for us.
I like Hyatt’s potential but he’s still a projection at this point.
Robinson’s a pure slot guy.
Slayton is right to be looking for a long-term deal. His deal was short-term and he’s in his prime now. After the draft, we’ll have to either fish or cut bait with him.
So that instantly makes the rookie the new number 1. He also sees Hyatt emerging along with Robinson.
It’s not hard to imagine his numbers dipping (especially with our QB play) and is probably trying to strike while his value is at his highest.
The problem he has is no leverage. He's the 'best' Giants WR 200 yards ahead of a guy with one good hamstring who might retire and missed 5 games.
Does he really move the needle offensively if he never plays another down for NYG? I am going with no. He's better off asking for a trade if he wants a new deal.
If he can get NYG to bite on an extension it is guaranteed to be far more than he could get on the open market. Sterling Shepherd had a long, big pay for little production NYG career, so he has a precedent.
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He is a career 700 yard WR. He is what he is. I like Slayton but I think his problem is between the ears. He needs to attack the ball. Instead he waits for it. But 6 years in it’s the same old Slayton, he’s not going to become a 1300 yard WR.
That 700 yards a year lead the team 4 of the last 5 years!
I hope this doesn't turn into a Barkley situation where we defend the player saying he was our best WR so we cannot move on.
This just silly. People here are weird about this kid. He's pretty much worth what he was paid. TBH Hyatt is most likely going to take targets from him this year. I like the kid but he's. It getting a new deal or extension
WRs are almost as fungible as RBs. They just don't break down physically. Maybe they can re-do some of his incentives but I wouldn't do a cent more guaranteed.
... would ever ask for a penny more than he or she actually thought they were worth. Why bother, right? And, of course, it's a well-known fact that veterans don't skip camps just to, well, say, just to spare their body, or let some workouts go for any other noncompensation reason.
I don't think this is going to turn out in Slayton's favor
Skipping the voluntary in an attempt to get some more money and another season or two is really a non issue. I expect we'll see him for camp either way.
The Giants can get a much better WR in either of the first 2 rounds. If they do, he goes from #1 to #4 or lower immediately, in my book. With a true #1, Robinson, and Hyatt he becomes an afterthought.
Just because Jeudy got a bigger contract doesn't mean NYG should give him more.
It's quite stupid for anyone to try and defend his move. But given the people who are defending it, I'm not surprised. Buh-bye, Darius! NYG can find MUCH better in the draft. Even in round 2 or >
Slayton is another good player seeking a decent extension. I hope he gets it, I like to see how Darius Slayton would do with a legitimate QB throwing the ball.
Just because Jeudy got a bigger contract doesn't mean NYG should give him more.
It's quite stupid for anyone to try and defend his move. But given the people who are defending it, I'm not surprised. Buh-bye, Darius! NYG can find MUCH better in the draft. Even in round 2 or >
WR @ 6 gives us good depth at the position. Going 4 wide makes for an interesting situation. Injuries happen also a guy needs a breather.
He won't sit he'll be fine carry on as needed. Hopefully QB @ 6 and WR at 47. With some luck a slight trade down to get an extra 4th or someone's 3rd comp pick.
It's a smart move by him. He's produced like the 2nd target in an offense, but he's about to become the 4th target.
There's no criteria in which Slayton produced like a dime a dozen receiver.
Him holding out is only going to cost him money though. If the giants draft a WR at 6, he has zero leverage.
He's effectively asking to be traded if he's going to be buried on the depth chart. It's just a signal. He doesn't have any leverage anyway. For his production he's underpaid, the Giants will simply let it play out.
He's also not losing the full 350K workout bonus by skipping a few weeks in April.
it's possible if not probable this isn't surprising to the team at all
The one thing Slayton isn't doing taking his toys home and not playing. He literally has leverage. The Giants have the trade market and the draft in front of them to replace/improve the WR group. Dollars to production Slayton is a bargain.
This is either part of a mutual exploration as Eric describes, or the opening signal Team Slayton is reading the tea leaves and wants out before he's buried on the depth chart.
in a roundabout way, the leverage he has is that the team could save $5m by trading him and maybe get something for an under market deal.
if they pick a WR in the top 10 in addition to robinson who probably surpassed him at the end of the year, hyatt who is cheaper and more talented in need of more targets, plus hodgins/mckenzie as cheaper depth, do they need to spend $5m on slayton or is he just more good depth at that point?
if they add a top flight WR it's hard to envision him getting 70+ targets and if the team isn't planning to give him 70+ targets both sides are probably better off moving him now. if he doesnt get that many targets next year he probably wont bring back more than a 5th or 6th round comp pick, so id imagine his value is a bit higher than that right now.
last year's nyg roster 4 leading wr/te target leaders were:
slayton 79
robinson 78
waller 74
hyatt 40
add a 100+ target #1 while giving some (10-20?) more targets to each of hyatt/robinson, not many left for anyone else even if Waller departs.
Slayton is looking out for his best business interests. If they hired a cheaper version of you at work that they were clearly grooming to replace you, would you stick around?
What we know is the Giants paid his 2.6M roster bonus last month. So they don't believe there are "a hundred" guys who could do what he did.
He's only owed 3.8M in new cash today, so he's either a perfectly reasonable insurance policy/floor if they don't acquire a number one guy, Hyatt doesn't progress in camp, or someone gets injured.
Or he's a valuable chip in a transaction, because getting a guy who was top 40 in yards, top 20 in YPT, top 15 in YPR among WRs for 1/3.8M is a steal.
But Darius Slayton doesn't get to pick, and isn't forcing anyone's hand. I'd characterize what Slayton has as value, not leverage.
Slayton is looking out for his best business interests. If they hired a cheaper version of you at work that they were clearly grooming to replace you, would you stick around?
Fans are underestimating his value, He would be a nice WR if he was in say KC with Mahomes.
But I'm all for these players getting as much as they can while they can cause fans and teams want to pay them as little as possible.
Slayton has worked hard to improve so I give him his credit.
He's just taking a vet vacation during the earliest workouts and his agent advised him to combine that with some negotiating. That's at the minimum. Several comments above about the business and what could possibly be happening with his particular situation (will) make this a win-win for him.
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Probably saw Jones get paid and stink it up he figured it’s worth a shot
-christian
But tell me this, how many teams in the NFL is he a #2 WR on? Not many.
Yeah he drives me crazy with this. It’s cost us so many big plays.
That 700 yards a year lead the team 4 of the last 5 years!
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He is a career 700 yard WR. He is what he is. I like Slayton but I think his problem is between the ears. He needs to attack the ball. Instead he waits for it. But 6 years in it’s the same old Slayton, he’s not going to become a 1300 yard WR.
That 700 yards a year lead the team 4 of the last 5 years!
I hope this doesn't turn into a Barkley situation where we defend the player saying he was our best WR so we cannot move on.
It’s not like he’s making $2M on a rookie contract and is really worth $15M. He’s making over $8M this year and may be worth an extra couple mil.
Agreed. I also like him more than most here. He was a very good pick by DG. But I don't think he's worth $10.7M a year.
So that instantly makes the rookie the new number 1. He also sees Hyatt emerging along with Robinson.
It’s not hard to imagine his numbers dipping (especially with our QB play) and is probably trying to strike while his value is at his highest.
probably both.
ill say this, i think slayton in buffalo would have been better than gabe davis, and somehow that guy got 23m guaranteed.
the same was true of MVS and he had gotten about the same a few years ago.
slayton also as good or better than lazard probably.
i dont know why his market was so cool last year, MVS makes even more mistakes than Slayton ever made, but i think if he had hit FA this year he'd have gotten more than 10m guaranteed.
id be willing to trade him but if he's reasonable id also be willing to negotiate an extension.
im not sure he's reasonable, and he may see writing on wall that in a walk year there may not be so many balls for him if nyg end up with a top WR (along with hyatt/robinson, waller who knows).
So that instantly makes the rookie the new number 1. He also sees Hyatt emerging along with Robinson.
It’s not hard to imagine his numbers dipping (especially with our QB play) and is probably trying to strike while his value is at his highest.
bingo. said it better than i did.
christian needs to get here asap.
Trust me, nobody mistakes him for Ceedee, but he would upgrade KC in a picosecond.
He'll ultimately show up to camp. Even if NYG takes a WR1 at #6, a WR room with Nabers, Robinson, Slayton, Hyatt, Hodgkins and whoever is better with him on the team.
Too big of a body catcher and has had problems with drops in his career. You don't pay these guys big dollars. You keep drafting WR's.
christian needs to get here asap.
I have already filed the missing persons report.
I can also appreciate a guy like him realizing he probably only gets one more shot at a contract.
But he’s not elite, and probably not long for the team if he’s going to push this too long.
Would love to see him with someone like Penix at QB. Could be a solid 2/3 for us.
I like Hyatt’s potential but he’s still a projection at this point.
Robinson’s a pure slot guy.
Slayton is right to be looking for a long-term deal. His deal was short-term and he’s in his prime now. After the draft, we’ll have to either fish or cut bait with him.
So that instantly makes the rookie the new number 1. He also sees Hyatt emerging along with Robinson.
It’s not hard to imagine his numbers dipping (especially with our QB play) and is probably trying to strike while his value is at his highest.
The problem he has is no leverage. He's the 'best' Giants WR 200 yards ahead of a guy with one good hamstring who might retire and missed 5 games.
Does he really move the needle offensively if he never plays another down for NYG? I am going with no. He's better off asking for a trade if he wants a new deal.
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He is a career 700 yard WR. He is what he is. I like Slayton but I think his problem is between the ears. He needs to attack the ball. Instead he waits for it. But 6 years in it’s the same old Slayton, he’s not going to become a 1300 yard WR.
That 700 yards a year lead the team 4 of the last 5 years!
I hope this doesn't turn into a Barkley situation where we defend the player saying he was our best WR so we cannot move on.
This just silly. People here are weird about this kid. He's pretty much worth what he was paid. TBH Hyatt is most likely going to take targets from him this year. I like the kid but he's. It getting a new deal or extension
WRs are almost as fungible as RBs. They just don't break down physically. Maybe they can re-do some of his incentives but I wouldn't do a cent more guaranteed.
It's quite stupid for anyone to try and defend his move. But given the people who are defending it, I'm not surprised. Buh-bye, Darius! NYG can find MUCH better in the draft. Even in round 2 or >
We overvalue him because of how inept this offense has been for so long
Leave it to a WR as well. These guys to the cake.
It's quite stupid for anyone to try and defend his move. But given the people who are defending it, I'm not surprised. Buh-bye, Darius! NYG can find MUCH better in the draft. Even in round 2 or >
Who has defended it?
There's no criteria in which Slayton produced like a dime a dozen receiver.
WR @ 6 gives us good depth at the position. Going 4 wide makes for an interesting situation. Injuries happen also a guy needs a breather.
He won't sit he'll be fine carry on as needed. Hopefully QB @ 6 and WR at 47. With some luck a slight trade down to get an extra 4th or someone's 3rd comp pick.
There's no criteria in which Slayton produced like a dime a dozen receiver.
Him holding out is only going to cost him money though. If the giants draft a WR at 6, he has zero leverage.
There's no criteria in which Slayton produced like a dime a dozen receiver.
Him holding out is only going to cost him money though. If the giants draft a WR at 6, he has zero leverage.
He's effectively asking to be traded if he's going to be buried on the depth chart. It's just a signal. He doesn't have any leverage anyway. For his production he's underpaid, the Giants will simply let it play out.
He's also not losing the full 350K workout bonus by skipping a few weeks in April.
they could be having conversations about him with other teams it's precautionary so close to the draft.
they could have a deal agreed to like they did with Bradberry a couple springs ago and Slayton is negotiating with that other team for an extension.
if the Aiyuk stuff is real, he would make a lot of sense as a piece back to the 49ers as part of that trade for both sides.
This is either part of a mutual exploration as Eric describes, or the opening signal Team Slayton is reading the tea leaves and wants out before he's buried on the depth chart.
in a roundabout way, the leverage he has is that the team could save $5m by trading him and maybe get something for an under market deal.
if they pick a WR in the top 10 in addition to robinson who probably surpassed him at the end of the year, hyatt who is cheaper and more talented in need of more targets, plus hodgins/mckenzie as cheaper depth, do they need to spend $5m on slayton or is he just more good depth at that point?
if they add a top flight WR it's hard to envision him getting 70+ targets and if the team isn't planning to give him 70+ targets both sides are probably better off moving him now. if he doesnt get that many targets next year he probably wont bring back more than a 5th or 6th round comp pick, so id imagine his value is a bit higher than that right now.
last year's nyg roster 4 leading wr/te target leaders were:
slayton 79
robinson 78
waller 74
hyatt 40
add a 100+ target #1 while giving some (10-20?) more targets to each of hyatt/robinson, not many left for anyone else even if Waller departs.
He's only owed 3.8M in new cash today, so he's either a perfectly reasonable insurance policy/floor if they don't acquire a number one guy, Hyatt doesn't progress in camp, or someone gets injured.
Or he's a valuable chip in a transaction, because getting a guy who was top 40 in yards, top 20 in YPT, top 15 in YPR among WRs for 1/3.8M is a steal.
But Darius Slayton doesn't get to pick, and isn't forcing anyone's hand. I'd characterize what Slayton has as value, not leverage.
I would if I had no place else to go.
But I'm all for these players getting as much as they can while they can cause fans and teams want to pay them as little as possible.
Slayton has worked hard to improve so I give him his credit.