Or he has told everyone to say they aren't going JJM in the building while liking him. We have 2 asshats saying we aren't going JJM. Which either means we still have some legit leaks or Schoen is trying to get JJM to slide to 6.
Hrs definitely doing a great job this year, I love it.
RE: Either Schoen's got the JJM smoke bombs working,
Or he has told everyone to say they aren't going JJM in the building while liking him. We have 2 asshats saying we aren't going JJM. Which either means we still have some legit leaks or Schoen is trying to get JJM to slide to 6.
Hrs definitely doing a great job this year, I love it.
Keep in mind what Belichick said today on McAfee. He said nothing real is leaked until around 10 hours before the draft on draft day,
I'd bet NYG likes McCarthy, but wouldn't take stock in any asshat right now.
No inside info obviously-Haha-but I expect us to move up to 3 if Maye is still there. I bet Wolf & Joe have had the parameters of a deal set up already.
We've had multiple GMs and the only constant with leaks of the past is ownership and the family abusing their access and blabbing about who we want. I think Schoen knows there's no ending that so he's combatting it with obfuscation.
We've had multiple GMs and the only constant with leaks of the past is ownership and the family abusing their access and blabbing about who we want. I think Schoen knows there's no ending that so he's combatting it with obfuscation.
Agreed.
But it can also serve a purpose, especially if he wants a player to fall or to trade down.
We've had multiple GMs and the only constant with leaks of the past is ownership and the family abusing their access and blabbing about who we want. I think Schoen knows there's no ending that so he's combatting it with obfuscation.
We've had multiple GMs and the only constant with leaks of the past is ownership and the family abusing their access and blabbing about who we want. I think Schoen knows there's no ending that so he's combatting it with obfuscation.
Agreed.
But it can also serve a purpose, especially if he wants a player to fall or to trade down.
There haven't been any legit leaks about us liking JJM to my knowledge? All leaks have said wr don't want JJM besides some reports connecting dots and using info from other teams. We have had 2-3 asshats here say people inside the draft process have said we are not going JJM. Any pundit reports have been without any inside info it sounds like.
As I cover in the podcast, I heard Maye in February. I think they are talking up McCarthy for a reason.
After listening to that I agree. Read the tea leaves: Schrager does his mock based on what he hears from the GM's/coaches he talks to. You'd have to assume Schoen/Daboll know this and would play it close to the vest or throw some shit out to muddy the waters.
I suspect regardless of how it plays out we'll hear it was always Maye. That they liked McCarthy but not in a trade up or at 6. Maye fits their mold. When you hear hoofbeats in Central Park don't think 'zebras'.
If it's Maye, it's a gamble. I don't hate it but it's hard to have a ton of confidence. If these guys can ID and then develop two big, insanely talented but developmental QB prospects they'd be legends.
Beat reporter quotes some source about something negative or they don't like: "I tell you what, these reporters LIE LIE LIE. No one ever believes them. These guys all suck, journalism is dead."
Another reporter, who is on an even bigger platform, says something else: "Well, well, well, where there's smoke there's fire! You gotta believe this guy, he admits he talks to GMs!"
Maybe, just maybe....Schrager has an inflated ego and wants people to tune into to watch his FINAL THIS IS THE BEST ONE I PROMISE mock draft? Just maybe?
As I cover in the podcast, I heard Maye in February. I think they are talking up McCarthy for a reason.
After listening to that I agree. Read the tea leaves: Schrager does his mock based on what he hears from the GM's/coaches he talks to. You'd have to assume Schoen/Daboll know this and would play it close to the vest or throw some shit out to muddy the waters.
I suspect regardless of how it plays out we'll hear it was always Maye. That they liked McCarthy but not in a trade up or at 6. Maye fits their mold. When you hear hoofbeats in Central Park don't think 'zebras'.
If it's Maye, it's a gamble. I don't hate it but it's hard to have a ton of confidence. If these guys can ID and then develop two big, insanely talented but developmental QB prospects they'd be legends.
Why is it hard to hVe confidence in Drake Maye? There are a lot of very smart people in the draft community that are very very high on him. I just saw Bleacher Report rankings today and Maye is their top rated QB ahead of Williams. Look up this person on Twitter. He does a lot of good work on QBs and I believe Maye is his #1 rated QB as well. His username is @QBKlass
Eric - I heard a few months ago that they were trying to trade up for Caleb and once that couldn't get done they were gonna try to trade up for Maye.
Obviously we all anticipate, but 3 GMs, and I think we all know who they are, putting in a call is highly specific. If this ever was a smokescreen by Schoen, I tip my hat to you there.
As I cover in the podcast, I heard Maye in February. I think they are talking up McCarthy for a reason.
Why would asshats be hearing we definitely aren't going JJM then? Wouldn't Schoen want everyone saying we like JJM if that were the situation?
I don't think Schoen or other GMs are factoring in BBI. Just a hunch.
I'd just think Schoen would want everyone on the same page if they were really trying to intentionally hype him up I wouldn't think they would have people leaking that we definitely won't take him. It sure will be interesting. I'm really looking forward to seeing how all 6 of these QBs fare in the NFL.
Daboll admitted that he and others in the league look at mock drafts. Specific ones, I'm sure. Schrager reporting GMs called him? Our boy Rickey keeps getting banned on X.
Beat reporter quotes some source about something negative or they don't like: "I tell you what, these reporters LIE LIE LIE. No one ever believes them. These guys all suck, journalism is dead."
Another reporter, who is on an even bigger platform, says something else: "Well, well, well, where there's smoke there's fire! You gotta believe this guy, he admits he talks to GMs!"
Maybe, just maybe....Schrager has an inflated ego and wants people to tune into to watch his FINAL THIS IS THE BEST ONE I PROMISE mock draft? Just maybe?
Then they don't want that out there. Schrager said it --the GMs don't care when mocks the guys they don't want. It's when he mocks the guys that they do what that he gets a reaction.
Q. The mock drafts all seem that the quarterbacks go one, two three; Giants take whichever receiver is left. Is it that simple?
BRIAN DABOLL: I don't know. I think you could go back the last ten years and look at all the mock drafts and see where everything was before the draft and then after the draft. I got a great appreciation for everybody that puts time in, whether they are in the building or outside the building and people that evaluate players. It's time consuming. Those people that put those things together do a great job.
I would say you never really know until you're right in the moment of the day of the draft. Unless a trade happens before the draft. There is a lot of unknowns, a lot of uncertainties. You do the best job to prepare for it, and Joe has done a great job the last two years. He's doing a great job of leading the staff and the meetings they have.
You know, you just have a great appreciation for the work that people put into it, whether it's in our building or outside the building. It's time consuming.
You might see something different than I see. Not that it's wrong, but that's just the way it goes. The mock drafts, I look at them. I definitely look at them because there is probably some people that are communicating with other people and they think this and they think that.
I don't know if a mock draft has ever been 100% in terms of one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, so you trust your work of your evaluation, the people in your building, and then make the best decision for yourself.
When you're talking about the QB position, the stakes are SO much higher. Yes, your first round pick is always a big deal, but when you're talking about a team trying to land their franchise QB, there's so much more at stake. I have to imagine there is hyper sensitivity to all of this stuff right now.
I'd be shocked if Maye lasted until 6. You'd have to get up to 4 at minimum, probably 3.
If JJM is intentional smoke, it's likely for a team to trade up and drop down either Harrison or Nabers. Or, they legit like McCarthy which would not surprise me either.
in another thread, I was told a long time ago that the Giants once tried to influence Dallas to take a QB. I don't remember the specific details, but I think it Manziel in the draft where they took Zack Martin. It didn't work. But that doesn't mean teams don't try.
To get potential trade competition off the board. Take Minnesota. Part of their sell to NE about trading back might be that McCarthy will be there at 11. With a leak that the Giants are interesting in McCarthy, NE might back off. Or Minnesota gets so concerned that they'l miss out that they use their capital to get in front of the Giants at 4 or 5, blow all of their trade up capital and eliminate them as a player for 3. Or maybe Denver or Seattle are talking to teams in 7-10 about trading up and Schoen wants them to think the Giants will take McCarthy so they won't bother and the Giants can trade with one of those teams.
Who most resembles Josh Allen in this class? Drake. Where were Joe & Dabs in 2018 when the Bills picked Allen? Buffalo. I think Joe is going to do his damn best to move up to 3 if Drake is there, or 4 is NE takes JJM.
To quote Beane when asked years later about Buffalo moving up for Allen:
“I mean, we got criticized a little bit for how much we gave up for Josh. And I’m like, ‘Well, if he doesn’t work out, I’m not going to be here anyway. And if he does work out, nobody’s gonna give a shit.'
As Joe said in last year's draft...'Scared money don't make money.'
Penix will go in 1st round. Raiders and Seahawks are interested.
There are several posters who are deluding themselves into thinking Penix - and Nix will be available top of round 2.
I'm a nobody, but I think there is very little chance either one of them make it past pick 20. I won't say "zero" chance because it;s the draft and weird things happen. But if the expected run happens - QB's go 1-3, possibly 4 thru 6 (with 4 being JJM) - teams will panic and take Penix and Nix way earlier then expected.
My comments are worth the proverbial grains of salt, of course...
is that we have had a combine meeting, 30 visit, private workout with a dinner and an additional meeting with McCarthy. Seems like a lot to deploy that much time and effort for a guy we don't want.
is that we have had a combine meeting, 30 visit, private workout with a dinner and an additional meeting with McCarthy. Seems like a lot to deploy that much time and effort for a guy we don't want.
I agree.
But it would be something if this was a smokescreen... very un-Giant like. But I will not discount the possibility.
The Giants must come out of this draft or next year's draft with a QB. So they either trade up, stand pat and hope someone falls to them, maneuver for Penix or Nix, or take a later round shot in the dark. Other than that, we punt.
If you want to maneuver, you want the best deal in a trade down first.
This scenario is one I've been predicting since the combine. It's obvious that Arizona wants a WR and would prefer to move to 6 vs 11 or lower. They are guaranteed their #2 receiver at 6 and have a chance at their #1 receiver at that pick. The giants interest in QBs is also obvious; they've met with all the top qbs multiple times.
Why are they surprised this scenario is possible?
I think Schrager simply connected the same dots. And other teams contacted him to ask if he's actually heard this is in the works. And I'm guessing he told them it's just speculation. But he's not going to admit on the air that it's speculation. Better to let us guess/assume that he has inside info.
Hopefully his report doesn't make it more likely the giants get outbid for #4 (if this is actually their plan)
The Giants flying out on Easter weekend to meet with McCarthy for misdirection? I don't see it. Schoen has been pretty forthright in what he's told the media.
I think McCarthy is in play, probably below Maye but in play.
In case some of you need reminders. This is the NYG QB group:
Daniel Jones (recovering from torn ACL)
Drew Lock (1 year, $5M deal)
Tommy DeVito (benched for poor play late in season)
The Giants are looking at QB. You can put out leaks without flying all over the country meeting these guys. They've done a ton of homework on McCarthy.
RE: I don't understand how other teams are surprised
This scenario is one I've been predicting since the combine. It's obvious that Arizona wants a WR and would prefer to move to 6 vs 11 or lower. They are guaranteed their #2 receiver at 6 and have a chance at their #1 receiver at that pick. The giants interest in QBs is also obvious; they've met with all the top qbs multiple times.
Why are they surprised this scenario is possible?
I think Schrager simply connected the same dots. And other teams contacted him to ask if he's actually heard this is in the works. And I'm guessing he told them it's just speculation. But he's not going to admit on the air that it's speculation. Better to let us guess/assume that he has inside info.
Hopefully his report doesn't make it more likely the giants get outbid for #4 (if this is actually their plan)
I wouldn't say this scenario has been predicted as anything other than another possible option.
What has been "predicted" with the Giants? They like Maye. They like McCarthy. They like Nabers.
Almost every mock has had them standing pat while the QBs go before them and they are "settling" for Nabers. (A few say Odunze, but it's mostly Nabers).
This is one of the very few mocks that have the Giants trading up, and it comes from a guy who is known to have Giants connections. Hence the reason why the teams called.
The Giants flying out on Easter weekend to meet with McCarthy for misdirection? I don't see it. Schoen has been pretty forthright in what he's told the media.
I think McCarthy is in play, probably below Maye but in play.
In case some of you need reminders. This is the NYG QB group:
Daniel Jones (recovering from torn ACL)
Drew Lock (1 year, $5M deal)
Tommy DeVito (benched for poor play late in season)
The Giants are looking at QB. You can put out leaks without flying all over the country meeting these guys. They've done a ton of homework on McCarthy.
We shall see. We've got BBI asshats who say McCarthy is not in play with the Giants. That doesn't mean they are right, but we shall see.
They called to see if there was substance was behind it or just a guess. The mock draft is information. Understanding the value of that information is kind of important.
The Giants flying out on Easter weekend to meet with McCarthy for misdirection? I don't see it. Schoen has been pretty forthright in what he's told the media.
I think McCarthy is in play, probably below Maye but in play.
In case some of you need reminders. This is the NYG QB group:
Daniel Jones (recovering from torn ACL)
Drew Lock (1 year, $5M deal)
Tommy DeVito (benched for poor play late in season)
The Giants are looking at QB. You can put out leaks without flying all over the country meeting these guys. They've done a ton of homework on McCarthy.
We shall see. We've got BBI asshats who say McCarthy is not in play with the Giants. That doesn't mean they are right, but we shall see.
Your thinking has changed if I’m not mistaken. I think you were of the thought not to dismiss the QB stuff given all the work they’ve put into the position. Now it seems you’re thinking it’s all a ruse?
RE: So don’t tell me Schrager went to Univ of Mich too?
Who most resembles Josh Allen in this class? Drake. Where were Joe & Dabs in 2018 when the Bills picked Allen? Buffalo. I think Joe is going to do his damn best to move up to 3 if Drake is there, or 4 is NE takes JJM.
To quote Beane when asked years later about Buffalo moving up for Allen:
“I mean, we got criticized a little bit for how much we gave up for Josh. And I’m like, ‘Well, if he doesn’t work out, I’m not going to be here anyway. And if he does work out, nobody’s gonna give a shit.'
As Joe said in last year's draft...'Scared money don't make money.'
Exactly, do the work and take the shot. Can’t draft scared.
To move up to three, you have to give up next year's #1 and other picks. Next year's #1 has a good chance to be a top ten pick. And you don't really want Maye thrown to the wolves as a rookie.
If Maye turns out to be stud, it's well worth it.
But if he doesn't, the team won't recover for five years.
Not saying don't do it, but you have to understand the true stakes here.
RE: RE: So don’t tell me Schrager went to Univ of Mich too?
You should work at increasing the quality of your posts.
Whatever. The spin and the rumors feed the themselves around GM circles. The manner in which Getts was duped into using his first pick in Rd 1 on Jones in 2019 is testament to that. Don’t need to feed or confirm it with a Schrager mock of all things.
You should work at increasing the quality of your posts.
Whatever. The spin and the rumors feed the themselves around GM circles. The manner in which Getts was duped into using his first pick in Rd 1 on Jones in 2019 is testament to that. Don’t need to feed or confirm it with a Schrager mock of all things.
I don't know what this response means. I've just noticed recently that you seem more interested in being combative than interacting.
To move up to three, you have to give up next year's #1 and other picks. Next year's #1 has a good chance to be a top ten pick. And you don't really want Maye thrown to the wolves as a rookie.
If Maye turns out to be stud, it's well worth it.
But if he doesn't, the team won't recover for five years.
Not saying don't do it, but you have to understand the true stakes here.
‘That’s how you become great man. Hang your balls out there.’
...that JJ is not worthy.
Had he thrown 10 more passes per game and his %#s were the same, would you feel differently?
More volume could help standing and solidifying a day 2 pick. But still would fall short of seeing a dynamic passer at the college level to go high rd 1 with him.
...that JJ is not worthy.
Had he thrown 10 more passes per game and his %#s were the same, would you feel differently?
More volume could help standing and solidifying a day 2 pick. But still would fall short of seeing a dynamic passer at the college level to go high rd 1 with him.
Jan 15th he was a day 2 guy...didnt play any games after that did he...
what changed?
I personally dislike Schrager who comes across as a buffoonish clown every time I have seen him. How about he's just making shit up. Really multiple teams called him a guy who it hardly seems like would have any connections of import in the league. And if he did how about maybe its a plant from Arizona that wants Minnesota to think maybe the Cards have other offers out there so if they want #4 they better sweeten the pot.
RE: Either Schoen's got the JJM smoke bombs working,
Or he has told everyone to say they aren't going JJM in the building while liking him. We have 2 asshats saying we aren't going JJM. Which either means we still have some legit leaks or Schoen is trying to get JJM to slide to 6.
Hrs definitely doing a great job this year, I love it.
Do you actually believe a player will fall because of what the media says??? You think I GM likes a player and then passes because the media said something about him? Seriously?
is already fighting for his job so he may in fact swing for the fences. If he succeeds he will be here, if he fails he will be fired and wont have to worry about what he gave up. But with Jones being an owner fav and Mara probably wanting Jones to have one more fighting chance I would bet that the Giants have to stick at 6 and only take a QB if he is there and most likely get a stud WR to help DJ.
My guess is Maye is the guy if available at 6. He didnt have a great season but if he was in last years draft he would have a higher grade imo based on potential. I think McCarthy is the smart player, knows the game but doesnt have the wow factor. Basically his ceiling is a low end top 10 QB but most likely a middle of the pack guy.
...that JJ is not worthy.
Had he thrown 10 more passes per game and his %#s were the same, would you feel differently?
More volume could help standing and solidifying a day 2 pick. But still would fall short of seeing a dynamic passer at the college level to go high rd 1 with him.
Jan 15th he was a day 2 guy...didnt play any games after that did he...
what changed?
Scouting changes a lot. Interviews, combine, pro days.
You're another poster who only makes insulting posts. I just looked at your posting history. Every post except one is attacking other posters for their opinion.
You might want to try another site. You don't seem happy here.
still think NE picks a QB at #3. If they pick JJM, then the Giants and the Vikings will likely get in a bidding war for Maye at #4. I have repeatedly said that I think bidding wars are a terrible draft strategy, but teams do it almost every year for QBs. Schoen would have to at least offer #6, #47, and our #1 next year because Minnesota would likely offer #11, #23, and their #1 and #3 next year. Both offers are competitive, but we should have the edge because Arizona would only be dropping to #6 and already has a lot of draft capital this year. All of this assumes that Arizona even wants to trade.
If Maye somehow slips to #5, then the Vikings have the edge IMO since I can't believe Schoen would make the same offer to move up one spot.
If NE picks Maye, then there is really no reason to trade up to #4 or #5. Minnesota is unlikely to make the same offer for JJM, preferring instead to stay at #11 and take Penix. And no other team would likely be able to move to #4 or #5.
I would take JJM if he gets to #6. But if he does and the Giants don't want him, then they will likely have several suitors who want to move up to #6. At least one of those offers could entice them to trade down, even though by doing so they would almost certainly miss out on all of the "big three" WRs. I could see Minnesota offering #11 and #23 for #6. It would be very ironic if instead of competing with the Vikings, they became our trade partner.
...that JJ is not worthy.
Had he thrown 10 more passes per game and his %#s were the same, would you feel differently?
More volume could help standing and solidifying a day 2 pick. But still would fall short of seeing a dynamic passer at the college level to go high rd 1 with him.
Jan 15th he was a day 2 guy...didnt play any games after that did he...
what changed?
This has been answered, you just refuse to accept the answer
"scared money don't make money" quip by Schoen was about whether they should trade down, not up, although I suppose it could be used to support doing both.
Schoen and Daboll were worried Schmitz would not be available at #57. When he was, Schoen made the remark as a joke to alleviate the tension. Nobody wanted to trade down and risk losing Schmitz.
...that JJ is not worthy.
Had he thrown 10 more passes per game and his %#s were the same, would you feel differently?
More volume could help standing and solidifying a day 2 pick. But still would fall short of seeing a dynamic passer at the college level to go high rd 1 with him.
Jan 15th he was a day 2 guy...didnt play any games after that did he...
what changed?
This has been answered, you just refuse to accept the answer
...that JJ is not worthy.
Had he thrown 10 more passes per game and his %#s were the same, would you feel differently?
More volume could help standing and solidifying a day 2 pick. But still would fall short of seeing a dynamic passer at the college level to go high rd 1 with him.
Jan 15th he was a day 2 guy...didnt play any games after that did he...
what changed?
Well per Jim Harbaugh, JJ had the greatest pro day in the history of QB pro days.
...that JJ is not worthy.
Had he thrown 10 more passes per game and his %#s were the same, would you feel differently?
More volume could help standing and solidifying a day 2 pick. But still would fall short of seeing a dynamic passer at the college level to go high rd 1 with him.
Jan 15th he was a day 2 guy...didnt play any games after that did he...
what changed?
Well per Jim Harbaugh, JJ had the greatest pro day in the history of QB pro days.
So he's got that going for him...which is nice.
On your death bed you will receive total consciousness...
To move up to three, you have to give up next year's #1 and other picks. Next year's #1 has a good chance to be a top ten pick. And you don't really want Maye thrown to the wolves as a rookie.
If Maye turns out to be stud, it's well worth it.
But if he doesn't, the team won't recover for five years.
Not saying don't do it, but you have to understand the true stakes here.
I think the deal is in placec already. Plus, who cares if the pick is top 10 next year, so is this year's pick. If you get the shot at your QB and Maye is Dabs's type of QB, you take the shot!
Masterclass by Schoen here. If Maye is a no go, they can draft their WR or get an absolute haul from one of these teams that want McCarthy, and possibly STILL get a receiver at that trade down spot.
in another thread, I was told a long time ago that the Giants once tried to influence Dallas to take a QB. I don't remember the specific details, but I think it Manziel in the draft where they took Zack Martin. It didn't work. But that doesn't mean teams don't try.
Maybe I'm misremembering but didn't Jerry REALLY want Manziel and his son won out?
trade down for draft assets in 2025. I like the wide receivers, but with Jones at the helm, I don't think it'll make much of a difference.
Something in this draft has to be about getting a new QB. Either taking one in Rd1. Or navigating up for one of the Tier 2 guys. Or (as you state) trading down for assets to set yourself up better in 2025 to pick your guy.
Not sure which is the optimum path, but do Something.
RE: RE: Either Schoen's got the JJM smoke bombs working,
Or he has told everyone to say they aren't going JJM in the building while liking him. We have 2 asshats saying we aren't going JJM. Which either means we still have some legit leaks or Schoen is trying to get JJM to slide to 6.
Hrs definitely doing a great job this year, I love it.
Do you actually believe a player will fall because of what the media says??? You think I GM likes a player and then passes because the media said something about him? Seriously?
I think you misinterpreted what I was saying. I was referring to asshats actually.
...that JJ is not worthy.
Had he thrown 10 more passes per game and his %#s were the same, would you feel differently?
More volume could help standing and solidifying a day 2 pick. But still would fall short of seeing a dynamic passer at the college level to go high rd 1 with him.
Jan 15th he was a day 2 guy...didnt play any games after that did he...
what changed?
And all the talk about him going earlier is just hype, the league will see through it just like Malik Willis and no one's going to call looking to trade up
was either told to do the job with Eli or was stupid enough to think everything was great and couldn’t pass up on a top talent at a low priority position.
It’s very very clear Schoen plans to upgrade QB. We just have no idea how the Giants rank these guys. Not taking a QB at 6 means 3 or 4 players are gone, the trade up package was either too costly, or we have 2nd round or worse grades on whichever QB is left.
I really want to upgrade at QB but not blindly. There’s always round 2 to take whoever is left as well.
To move up to three, you have to give up next year's #1 and other picks. Next year's #1 has a good chance to be a top ten pick. And you don't really want Maye thrown to the wolves as a rookie.
If Maye turns out to be stud, it's well worth it.
Not saying don't do it, but you have to understand the true stakes here.
But if he doesn't, the team won't recover for five years.
Whether we go QB or WR or trade up giving up the number one year makes me worry. Whomever we draft at one this year I still think the Giants will be picking in the top ten next year. This is a pessimistic view but lets keep the number one in 25
...that maybe they have some space in their ratings among the top 3 WRs possibly with scheme fit.
One of the exacerbating factors in their awful pass protection is that they haven't really had a boundary WR that wins quickly off the line since OBJ. Hyatt and Slayton both have the top end speed but are bigger downfield threats (and Slayton almost never shows up until we're down a couple scores.....and the timing of his holdout might indicate a guy that knows his targets could plummet) . Even if Golladay wasn't damaged good that we overpaid for it's the same thing - he didn't separate until he was downfield.
That makes me wonder if they might have Odunze scored a little lower since he's not the polished route runner or as crafty off the line and tends to lean on positioning. Thus if QBs go 1/2/3 they're trying to coax someone to jump them for McCarthy. SD is almost surely going WR given they jettisoned both their starters (Harbaugh was also Marvin Harrison Sr's first NFL QB).
was either told to do the job with Eli or was stupid enough to think everything was great and couldn’t pass up on a top talent at a low priority position.
It’s very very clear Schoen plans to upgrade QB. We just have no idea how the Giants rank these guys. Not taking a QB at 6 means 3 or 4 players are gone, the trade up package was either too costly, or we have 2nd round or worse grades on whichever QB is left.
I really want to upgrade at QB but not blindly. There’s always round 2 to take whoever is left as well.
I’d also like to see them come away with a QB in this draft but I wouldn’t be surprised if they don’t and we have to wait until 2025.
...that maybe they have some space in their ratings among the top 3 WRs possibly with scheme fit.
One of the exacerbating factors in their awful pass protection is that they haven't really had a boundary WR that wins quickly off the line since OBJ. Hyatt and Slayton both have the top end speed but are bigger downfield threats (and Slayton almost never shows up until we're down a couple scores.....and the timing of his holdout might indicate a guy that knows his targets could plummet) . Even if Golladay wasn't damaged good that we overpaid for it's the same thing - he didn't separate until he was downfield.
That makes me wonder if they might have Odunze scored a little lower since he's not the polished route runner or as crafty off the line and tends to lean on positioning. Thus if QBs go 1/2/3 they're trying to coax someone to jump them for McCarthy. SD is almost surely going WR given they jettisoned both their starters (Harbaugh was also Marvin Harrison Sr's first NFL QB).
That's not true, Odunze's ability to get a clean release off the line is elite.
lol
Hrs definitely doing a great job this year, I love it.
Hrs definitely doing a great job this year, I love it.
Keep in mind what Belichick said today on McAfee. He said nothing real is leaked until around 10 hours before the draft on draft day,
I'd bet NYG likes McCarthy, but wouldn't take stock in any asshat right now.
As I cover in the podcast, I heard Maye in February. I think they are talking up McCarthy for a reason.
I got us getting Maye (via some asshats here) and then trading for Aiyuk (Rickey with an interesting bomb this AM).
Although in both situations, best to remember that things change on a dime and NYG isn't the only team trying to move position or players.
Agreed.
But it can also serve a purpose, especially if he wants a player to fall or to trade down.
As I cover in the podcast, I heard Maye in February. I think they are talking up McCarthy for a reason.
Why would asshats be hearing we definitely aren't going JJM then? Wouldn't Schoen want everyone saying we like JJM if that were the situation?
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We've had multiple GMs and the only constant with leaks of the past is ownership and the family abusing their access and blabbing about who we want. I think Schoen knows there's no ending that so he's combatting it with obfuscation.
Agreed.
But it can also serve a purpose, especially if he wants a player to fall or to trade down.
There haven't been any legit leaks about us liking JJM to my knowledge? All leaks have said wr don't want JJM besides some reports connecting dots and using info from other teams. We have had 2-3 asshats here say people inside the draft process have said we are not going JJM. Any pundit reports have been without any inside info it sounds like.
As I cover in the podcast, I heard Maye in February. I think they are talking up McCarthy for a reason.
After listening to that I agree. Read the tea leaves: Schrager does his mock based on what he hears from the GM's/coaches he talks to. You'd have to assume Schoen/Daboll know this and would play it close to the vest or throw some shit out to muddy the waters.
I suspect regardless of how it plays out we'll hear it was always Maye. That they liked McCarthy but not in a trade up or at 6. Maye fits their mold. When you hear hoofbeats in Central Park don't think 'zebras'.
If it's Maye, it's a gamble. I don't hate it but it's hard to have a ton of confidence. If these guys can ID and then develop two big, insanely talented but developmental QB prospects they'd be legends.
Beat reporter quotes some source about something negative or they don't like: "I tell you what, these reporters LIE LIE LIE. No one ever believes them. These guys all suck, journalism is dead."
Another reporter, who is on an even bigger platform, says something else: "Well, well, well, where there's smoke there's fire! You gotta believe this guy, he admits he talks to GMs!"
Maybe, just maybe....Schrager has an inflated ego and wants people to tune into to watch his FINAL THIS IS THE BEST ONE I PROMISE mock draft? Just maybe?
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I'm going in the opposite direction.
As I cover in the podcast, I heard Maye in February. I think they are talking up McCarthy for a reason.
After listening to that I agree. Read the tea leaves: Schrager does his mock based on what he hears from the GM's/coaches he talks to. You'd have to assume Schoen/Daboll know this and would play it close to the vest or throw some shit out to muddy the waters.
I suspect regardless of how it plays out we'll hear it was always Maye. That they liked McCarthy but not in a trade up or at 6. Maye fits their mold. When you hear hoofbeats in Central Park don't think 'zebras'.
If it's Maye, it's a gamble. I don't hate it but it's hard to have a ton of confidence. If these guys can ID and then develop two big, insanely talented but developmental QB prospects they'd be legends.
Why is it hard to hVe confidence in Drake Maye? There are a lot of very smart people in the draft community that are very very high on him. I just saw Bleacher Report rankings today and Maye is their top rated QB ahead of Williams. Look up this person on Twitter. He does a lot of good work on QBs and I believe Maye is his #1 rated QB as well. His username is @QBKlass
Eric - I heard a few months ago that they were trying to trade up for Caleb and once that couldn't get done they were gonna try to trade up for Maye.
I get putting out false info or misleading info but what do they get out of putting out real info to him.
It probably is Giants like Maye, not so much on McCarthy while the Pats are reversed.
And then you have the Vikings who really want one or the other.
and Cowherd has been saying Penix was not going to get by the Seahawks for awhile.
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I'm going in the opposite direction.
As I cover in the podcast, I heard Maye in February. I think they are talking up McCarthy for a reason.
Why would asshats be hearing we definitely aren't going JJM then? Wouldn't Schoen want everyone saying we like JJM if that were the situation?
I don't think Schoen or other GMs are factoring in BBI. Just a hunch.
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I'm going in the opposite direction.
As I cover in the podcast, I heard Maye in February. I think they are talking up McCarthy for a reason.
Why would asshats be hearing we definitely aren't going JJM then? Wouldn't Schoen want everyone saying we like JJM if that were the situation?
I don't think Schoen or other GMs are factoring in BBI. Just a hunch.
I'd just think Schoen would want everyone on the same page if they were really trying to intentionally hype him up I wouldn't think they would have people leaking that we definitely won't take him. It sure will be interesting. I'm really looking forward to seeing how all 6 of these QBs fare in the NFL.
They can't. As we found out with Burns.
They can't. As we found out with Burns.
Wasn't that just like a BBI/Twitter thing? Perhaps I missed it, but I don't recall a beat even writing an article about that possibility.
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Definitely a possibility, and perhaps the most likely possibility.
Beat reporter quotes some source about something negative or they don't like: "I tell you what, these reporters LIE LIE LIE. No one ever believes them. These guys all suck, journalism is dead."
Another reporter, who is on an even bigger platform, says something else: "Well, well, well, where there's smoke there's fire! You gotta believe this guy, he admits he talks to GMs!"
Maybe, just maybe....Schrager has an inflated ego and wants people to tune into to watch his FINAL THIS IS THE BEST ONE I PROMISE mock draft? Just maybe?
This.
Schrager has long been connected with the Giants and revealed inside stuff. That's not speculation. That's reality.
So of course teams are paying attention.
Daboll just said he pays attention to mock drafts.
Connect the dots with Schrager here.
BRIAN DABOLL: I don't know. I think you could go back the last ten years and look at all the mock drafts and see where everything was before the draft and then after the draft. I got a great appreciation for everybody that puts time in, whether they are in the building or outside the building and people that evaluate players. It's time consuming. Those people that put those things together do a great job.
I would say you never really know until you're right in the moment of the day of the draft. Unless a trade happens before the draft. There is a lot of unknowns, a lot of uncertainties. You do the best job to prepare for it, and Joe has done a great job the last two years. He's doing a great job of leading the staff and the meetings they have.
You know, you just have a great appreciation for the work that people put into it, whether it's in our building or outside the building. It's time consuming.
You might see something different than I see. Not that it's wrong, but that's just the way it goes. The mock drafts, I look at them. I definitely look at them because there is probably some people that are communicating with other people and they think this and they think that.
I don't know if a mock draft has ever been 100% in terms of one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, so you trust your work of your evaluation, the people in your building, and then make the best decision for yourself.
Haha. I suspect the entire NYG organization knows of BBI, but I doubt they're having meetings about 'How can we stop these leaks on BBI?'
& if they are, oh boy. Haha. No offense to you Eric, but I hope they got bigger fish to fry.
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he's specifically referencing why the Giants are not controlling leaks on BBI.
Haha. I suspect the entire NYG organization knows of BBI, but I doubt they're having meetings about 'How can we stop these leaks on BBI?'
& if they are, oh boy. Haha. No offense to you Eric, but I hope they got bigger fish to fry.
That was the point of my response.
They can't. As we found out with Burns.
True, I'm overestimating Schoen's godfather status.
If JJM is intentional smoke, it's likely for a team to trade up and drop down either Harrison or Nabers. Or, they legit like McCarthy which would not surprise me either.
This is the most likely.
If they want to use McCarthy as trade down bait, then they would want him to make it to #6.
That said, if a team really wants Alt or one of the WRs, then the trade value of our pick goes up too.
The pie in the sky shit is to somehow get Kraft to think McCarthy is Brady 2.0.
This tells me they like WR at 6, unless they can trade up for Maye.
This tells me they like WR at 6, unless they can trade up for Maye.
I talked about on the podcast how Schoen was pissed off about the 30 visit leaks. He may be using them for his advantage this year.
To quote Beane when asked years later about Buffalo moving up for Allen:
“I mean, we got criticized a little bit for how much we gave up for Josh. And I’m like, ‘Well, if he doesn’t work out, I’m not going to be here anyway. And if he does work out, nobody’s gonna give a shit.'
As Joe said in last year's draft...'Scared money don't make money.'
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Only 3 WR and all of the high 3, no kid rounders.
This tells me they like WR at 6, unless they can trade up for Maye.
I talked about on the podcast how Schoen was pissed off about the 30 visit leaks. He may be using them for his advantage this year.
When and where can we listen to that?
There are several posters who are deluding themselves into thinking Penix - and Nix will be available top of round 2.
I'm a nobody, but I think there is very little chance either one of them make it past pick 20. I won't say "zero" chance because it;s the draft and weird things happen. But if the expected run happens - QB's go 1-3, possibly 4 thru 6 (with 4 being JJM) - teams will panic and take Penix and Nix way earlier then expected.
My comments are worth the proverbial grains of salt, of course...
I agree.
But it would be something if this was a smokescreen... very un-Giant like. But I will not discount the possibility.
The Giants must come out of this draft or next year's draft with a QB. So they either trade up, stand pat and hope someone falls to them, maneuver for Penix or Nix, or take a later round shot in the dark. Other than that, we punt.
If you want to maneuver, you want the best deal in a trade down first.
Three teams are interested in McCarthy enough to call Schrager and ask him if his prediction was based on inside info.
Why are they surprised this scenario is possible?
I think Schrager simply connected the same dots. And other teams contacted him to ask if he's actually heard this is in the works. And I'm guessing he told them it's just speculation. But he's not going to admit on the air that it's speculation. Better to let us guess/assume that he has inside info.
Hopefully his report doesn't make it more likely the giants get outbid for #4 (if this is actually their plan)
I think McCarthy is in play, probably below Maye but in play.
In case some of you need reminders. This is the NYG QB group:
Daniel Jones (recovering from torn ACL)
Drew Lock (1 year, $5M deal)
Tommy DeVito (benched for poor play late in season)
The Giants are looking at QB. You can put out leaks without flying all over the country meeting these guys. They've done a ton of homework on McCarthy.
Why are they surprised this scenario is possible?
I think Schrager simply connected the same dots. And other teams contacted him to ask if he's actually heard this is in the works. And I'm guessing he told them it's just speculation. But he's not going to admit on the air that it's speculation. Better to let us guess/assume that he has inside info.
Hopefully his report doesn't make it more likely the giants get outbid for #4 (if this is actually their plan)
I wouldn't say this scenario has been predicted as anything other than another possible option.
What has been "predicted" with the Giants? They like Maye. They like McCarthy. They like Nabers.
Almost every mock has had them standing pat while the QBs go before them and they are "settling" for Nabers. (A few say Odunze, but it's mostly Nabers).
This is one of the very few mocks that have the Giants trading up, and it comes from a guy who is known to have Giants connections. Hence the reason why the teams called.
I think McCarthy is in play, probably below Maye but in play.
In case some of you need reminders. This is the NYG QB group:
Daniel Jones (recovering from torn ACL)
Drew Lock (1 year, $5M deal)
Tommy DeVito (benched for poor play late in season)
The Giants are looking at QB. You can put out leaks without flying all over the country meeting these guys. They've done a ton of homework on McCarthy.
We shall see. We've got BBI asshats who say McCarthy is not in play with the Giants. That doesn't mean they are right, but we shall see.
Three teams are interested in McCarthy enough to call Schrager and ask him if his prediction was based on inside info.
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The Giants flying out on Easter weekend to meet with McCarthy for misdirection? I don't see it. Schoen has been pretty forthright in what he's told the media.
I think McCarthy is in play, probably below Maye but in play.
In case some of you need reminders. This is the NYG QB group:
Daniel Jones (recovering from torn ACL)
Drew Lock (1 year, $5M deal)
Tommy DeVito (benched for poor play late in season)
The Giants are looking at QB. You can put out leaks without flying all over the country meeting these guys. They've done a ton of homework on McCarthy.
We shall see. We've got BBI asshats who say McCarthy is not in play with the Giants. That doesn't mean they are right, but we shall see.
Your thinking has changed if I’m not mistaken. I think you were of the thought not to dismiss the QB stuff given all the work they’ve put into the position. Now it seems you’re thinking it’s all a ruse?
You should work at increasing the quality of your posts.
What I don't know is if they truly like McCarthy or not. They may be one of the teams who have learned to love him.
But they also may be using him to fulfill another desired outcome too.
I will note that some trustworthy asshats have said no on McCarthy. But that doesn't mean they are right either.
To quote Beane when asked years later about Buffalo moving up for Allen:
“I mean, we got criticized a little bit for how much we gave up for Josh. And I’m like, ‘Well, if he doesn’t work out, I’m not going to be here anyway. And if he does work out, nobody’s gonna give a shit.'
As Joe said in last year's draft...'Scared money don't make money.'
Exactly, do the work and take the shot. Can’t draft scared.
Could be trying to show NE they have other options and aren't deaperate?
In fact, I am amazed that most people don’t see this.
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Could be trying to show NE they have other options and aren't deaperate?
Maybe, but NE could just take Maye or McCarthy at 3.
To move up to three, you have to give up next year's #1 and other picks. Next year's #1 has a good chance to be a top ten pick. And you don't really want Maye thrown to the wolves as a rookie.
If Maye turns out to be stud, it's well worth it.
But if he doesn't, the team won't recover for five years.
Not saying don't do it, but you have to understand the true stakes here.
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You should work at increasing the quality of your posts.
Whatever. The spin and the rumors feed the themselves around GM circles. The manner in which Getts was duped into using his first pick in Rd 1 on Jones in 2019 is testament to that. Don’t need to feed or confirm it with a Schrager mock of all things.
Had he thrown 10 more passes per game and his %#s were the same, would you feel differently?
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and trying to maneuver NE to achieve it.
Could be trying to show NE they have other options and aren't deaperate?
Maybe, but NE could just take Maye or McCarthy at 3.
Agreed, they likely only make this move if they have a deal in place to go right back up to pick 4 with AZ.
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You should work at increasing the quality of your posts.
Whatever. The spin and the rumors feed the themselves around GM circles. The manner in which Getts was duped into using his first pick in Rd 1 on Jones in 2019 is testament to that. Don’t need to feed or confirm it with a Schrager mock of all things.
I don't know what this response means. I've just noticed recently that you seem more interested in being combative than interacting.
To move up to three, you have to give up next year's #1 and other picks. Next year's #1 has a good chance to be a top ten pick. And you don't really want Maye thrown to the wolves as a rookie.
If Maye turns out to be stud, it's well worth it.
But if he doesn't, the team won't recover for five years.
Not saying don't do it, but you have to understand the true stakes here.
‘That’s how you become great man. Hang your balls out there.’
Then keep it to yourself.
Had he thrown 10 more passes per game and his %#s were the same, would you feel differently?
More volume could help standing and solidifying a day 2 pick. But still would fall short of seeing a dynamic passer at the college level to go high rd 1 with him.
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...that JJ is not worthy.
Had he thrown 10 more passes per game and his %#s were the same, would you feel differently?
More volume could help standing and solidifying a day 2 pick. But still would fall short of seeing a dynamic passer at the college level to go high rd 1 with him.
Jan 15th he was a day 2 guy...didnt play any games after that did he...
what changed?
Hrs definitely doing a great job this year, I love it.
Do you actually believe a player will fall because of what the media says??? You think I GM likes a player and then passes because the media said something about him? Seriously?
My guess is Maye is the guy if available at 6. He didnt have a great season but if he was in last years draft he would have a higher grade imo based on potential. I think McCarthy is the smart player, knows the game but doesnt have the wow factor. Basically his ceiling is a low end top 10 QB but most likely a middle of the pack guy.
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...that JJ is not worthy.
Had he thrown 10 more passes per game and his %#s were the same, would you feel differently?
More volume could help standing and solidifying a day 2 pick. But still would fall short of seeing a dynamic passer at the college level to go high rd 1 with him.
Jan 15th he was a day 2 guy...didnt play any games after that did he...
what changed?
Scouting changes a lot. Interviews, combine, pro days.
You might want to try another site. You don't seem happy here.
If Maye somehow slips to #5, then the Vikings have the edge IMO since I can't believe Schoen would make the same offer to move up one spot.
If NE picks Maye, then there is really no reason to trade up to #4 or #5. Minnesota is unlikely to make the same offer for JJM, preferring instead to stay at #11 and take Penix. And no other team would likely be able to move to #4 or #5.
I would take JJM if he gets to #6. But if he does and the Giants don't want him, then they will likely have several suitors who want to move up to #6. At least one of those offers could entice them to trade down, even though by doing so they would almost certainly miss out on all of the "big three" WRs. I could see Minnesota offering #11 and #23 for #6. It would be very ironic if instead of competing with the Vikings, they became our trade partner.
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...that JJ is not worthy.
Had he thrown 10 more passes per game and his %#s were the same, would you feel differently?
More volume could help standing and solidifying a day 2 pick. But still would fall short of seeing a dynamic passer at the college level to go high rd 1 with him.
Jan 15th he was a day 2 guy...didnt play any games after that did he...
what changed?
This has been answered, you just refuse to accept the answer
Schoen and Daboll were worried Schmitz would not be available at #57. When he was, Schoen made the remark as a joke to alleviate the tension. Nobody wanted to trade down and risk losing Schmitz.
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...that JJ is not worthy.
Had he thrown 10 more passes per game and his %#s were the same, would you feel differently?
More volume could help standing and solidifying a day 2 pick. But still would fall short of seeing a dynamic passer at the college level to go high rd 1 with him.
Jan 15th he was a day 2 guy...didnt play any games after that did he...
what changed?
This has been answered, you just refuse to accept the answer
Yup
Not on my team thanks
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...that JJ is not worthy.
Had he thrown 10 more passes per game and his %#s were the same, would you feel differently?
More volume could help standing and solidifying a day 2 pick. But still would fall short of seeing a dynamic passer at the college level to go high rd 1 with him.
Jan 15th he was a day 2 guy...didnt play any games after that did he...
what changed?
Well per Jim Harbaugh, JJ had the greatest pro day in the history of QB pro days.
So he's got that going for him...which is nice.
Yup
Not on my team thanks
Your team? You paying all the bills?
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...that JJ is not worthy.
Had he thrown 10 more passes per game and his %#s were the same, would you feel differently?
More volume could help standing and solidifying a day 2 pick. But still would fall short of seeing a dynamic passer at the college level to go high rd 1 with him.
Jan 15th he was a day 2 guy...didnt play any games after that did he...
what changed?
Well per Jim Harbaugh, JJ had the greatest pro day in the history of QB pro days.
So he's got that going for him...which is nice.
On your death bed you will receive total consciousness...
To move up to three, you have to give up next year's #1 and other picks. Next year's #1 has a good chance to be a top ten pick. And you don't really want Maye thrown to the wolves as a rookie.
If Maye turns out to be stud, it's well worth it.
But if he doesn't, the team won't recover for five years.
Not saying don't do it, but you have to understand the true stakes here.
I think the deal is in placec already. Plus, who cares if the pick is top 10 next year, so is this year's pick. If you get the shot at your QB and Maye is Dabs's type of QB, you take the shot!
Maybe I'm misremembering but didn't Jerry REALLY want Manziel and his son won out?
Something in this draft has to be about getting a new QB. Either taking one in Rd1. Or navigating up for one of the Tier 2 guys. Or (as you state) trading down for assets to set yourself up better in 2025 to pick your guy.
Not sure which is the optimum path, but do Something.
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Or he has told everyone to say they aren't going JJM in the building while liking him. We have 2 asshats saying we aren't going JJM. Which either means we still have some legit leaks or Schoen is trying to get JJM to slide to 6.
Hrs definitely doing a great job this year, I love it.
Do you actually believe a player will fall because of what the media says??? You think I GM likes a player and then passes because the media said something about him? Seriously?
I think you misinterpreted what I was saying. I was referring to asshats actually.
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...that JJ is not worthy.
Had he thrown 10 more passes per game and his %#s were the same, would you feel differently?
More volume could help standing and solidifying a day 2 pick. But still would fall short of seeing a dynamic passer at the college level to go high rd 1 with him.
Jan 15th he was a day 2 guy...didnt play any games after that did he...
what changed?
He was projected from pick 13 to 2nd round then
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If the hype is real then nyg should take him
I just don't get it. It's like buying a Ferrari with no engine.
Get the QB. Plain and simple. Whether it be Maye or McCarthy. Enough is enough.
I just don't get it. It's like buying a Ferrari with no engine.
Get the QB. Plain and simple. Whether it be Maye or McCarthy. Enough is enough.
Yep. It's 2018 all over again.
It’s very very clear Schoen plans to upgrade QB. We just have no idea how the Giants rank these guys. Not taking a QB at 6 means 3 or 4 players are gone, the trade up package was either too costly, or we have 2nd round or worse grades on whichever QB is left.
I really want to upgrade at QB but not blindly. There’s always round 2 to take whoever is left as well.
WR is a different position than RB.
WR is a different position than RB.
To move up to three, you have to give up next year's #1 and other picks. Next year's #1 has a good chance to be a top ten pick. And you don't really want Maye thrown to the wolves as a rookie.
If Maye turns out to be stud, it's well worth it.
Not saying don't do it, but you have to understand the true stakes here.
But if he doesn't, the team won't recover for five years.
Whether we go QB or WR or trade up giving up the number one year makes me worry. Whomever we draft at one this year I still think the Giants will be picking in the top ten next year. This is a pessimistic view but lets keep the number one in 25
One of the exacerbating factors in their awful pass protection is that they haven't really had a boundary WR that wins quickly off the line since OBJ. Hyatt and Slayton both have the top end speed but are bigger downfield threats (and Slayton almost never shows up until we're down a couple scores.....and the timing of his holdout might indicate a guy that knows his targets could plummet) . Even if Golladay wasn't damaged good that we overpaid for it's the same thing - he didn't separate until he was downfield.
That makes me wonder if they might have Odunze scored a little lower since he's not the polished route runner or as crafty off the line and tends to lean on positioning. Thus if QBs go 1/2/3 they're trying to coax someone to jump them for McCarthy. SD is almost surely going WR given they jettisoned both their starters (Harbaugh was also Marvin Harrison Sr's first NFL QB).
Also, don't discount the value of the Cowden/Ossenfort relationship. I think it at the very least gets us the opportunity to match a better offer.
Also, don't discount the value of the Cowden/Ossenfort relationship. I think it at the very least gets us the opportunity to match a better offer.
Correct on both accounts.
It’s very very clear Schoen plans to upgrade QB. We just have no idea how the Giants rank these guys. Not taking a QB at 6 means 3 or 4 players are gone, the trade up package was either too costly, or we have 2nd round or worse grades on whichever QB is left.
I really want to upgrade at QB but not blindly. There’s always round 2 to take whoever is left as well.
I’d also like to see them come away with a QB in this draft but I wouldn’t be surprised if they don’t and we have to wait until 2025.
One of the exacerbating factors in their awful pass protection is that they haven't really had a boundary WR that wins quickly off the line since OBJ. Hyatt and Slayton both have the top end speed but are bigger downfield threats (and Slayton almost never shows up until we're down a couple scores.....and the timing of his holdout might indicate a guy that knows his targets could plummet) . Even if Golladay wasn't damaged good that we overpaid for it's the same thing - he didn't separate until he was downfield.
That makes me wonder if they might have Odunze scored a little lower since he's not the polished route runner or as crafty off the line and tends to lean on positioning. Thus if QBs go 1/2/3 they're trying to coax someone to jump them for McCarthy. SD is almost surely going WR given they jettisoned both their starters (Harbaugh was also Marvin Harrison Sr's first NFL QB).
That's not true, Odunze's ability to get a clean release off the line is elite.