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Whoa... Schrager says other teams calling him about his mock

Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/17/2024 7:05 pm
with respect to Giants...

I tell you, there may be some 4D chess here.


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says  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/17/2024 7:06 pm : link
three teams wanted to know what he knew about Giants and McCarthy.
Trade Bait  
AROCK1000 : 4/17/2024 7:07 pm : link
In comment 16472842 Eric from BBI said:
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three teams wanted to know what he knew about Giants and McCarthy.


lol
Either Schoen's got the JJM smoke bombs working,  
BleedBlue46 : 4/17/2024 7:09 pm : link
Or he has told everyone to say they aren't going JJM in the building while liking him. We have 2 asshats saying we aren't going JJM. Which either means we still have some legit leaks or Schoen is trying to get JJM to slide to 6.

Hrs definitely doing a great job this year, I love it.
RE: Either Schoen's got the JJM smoke bombs working,  
Sean : 4/17/2024 7:12 pm : link
In comment 16472848 BleedBlue46 said:
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Or he has told everyone to say they aren't going JJM in the building while liking him. We have 2 asshats saying we aren't going JJM. Which either means we still have some legit leaks or Schoen is trying to get JJM to slide to 6.

Hrs definitely doing a great job this year, I love it.

Keep in mind what Belichick said today on McAfee. He said nothing real is leaked until around 10 hours before the draft on draft day,

I'd bet NYG likes McCarthy, but wouldn't take stock in any asshat right now.
says  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/17/2024 7:12 pm : link
Penix will go in 1st round. Raiders and Seahawks are interested.
While I believe the games manship  
jvm52106 : 4/17/2024 7:13 pm : link
Is real, I think the real play is this- New England wants JJM. Giants want Maye.. This is going to happen..
Sean  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/17/2024 7:13 pm : link
I'm going in the opposite direction.

As I cover in the podcast, I heard Maye in February. I think they are talking up McCarthy for a reason.
JS keeping everyone on their toes  
The Dude : 4/17/2024 7:14 pm : link
i hope.


I got us getting Maye (via some asshats here) and then trading for Aiyuk (Rickey with an interesting bomb this AM).


Although in both situations, best to remember that things change on a dime and NYG isn't the only team trying to move position or players.
He intimates  
j_rud : 4/17/2024 7:15 pm : link
the Vikes, Raiders, and Broncos reached out with "So he's going that early, huh?" feelers.

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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/17/2024 7:17 pm : link
No inside info obviously-Haha-but I expect us to move up to 3 if Maye is still there. I bet Wolf & Joe have had the parameters of a deal set up already.
My completely baseless speculation  
widmerseyebrow : 4/17/2024 7:17 pm : link
We've had multiple GMs and the only constant with leaks of the past is ownership and the family abusing their access and blabbing about who we want. I think Schoen knows there's no ending that so he's combatting it with obfuscation.
RE: My completely baseless speculation  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/17/2024 7:18 pm : link
In comment 16472857 widmerseyebrow said:
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We've had multiple GMs and the only constant with leaks of the past is ownership and the family abusing their access and blabbing about who we want. I think Schoen knows there's no ending that so he's combatting it with obfuscation.


Agreed.

But it can also serve a purpose, especially if he wants a player to fall or to trade down.
RE: Sean  
BleedBlue46 : 4/17/2024 7:19 pm : link
In comment 16472852 Eric from BBI said:
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I'm going in the opposite direction.

As I cover in the podcast, I heard Maye in February. I think they are talking up McCarthy for a reason.


Why would asshats be hearing we definitely aren't going JJM then? Wouldn't Schoen want everyone saying we like JJM if that were the situation?
RE: My completely baseless speculation  
The Dude : 4/17/2024 7:19 pm : link
In comment 16472857 widmerseyebrow said:
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We've had multiple GMs and the only constant with leaks of the past is ownership and the family abusing their access and blabbing about who we want. I think Schoen knows there's no ending that so he's combatting it with obfuscation.


^^^
RE: RE: My completely baseless speculation  
BleedBlue46 : 4/17/2024 7:21 pm : link
In comment 16472858 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 16472857 widmerseyebrow said:


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We've had multiple GMs and the only constant with leaks of the past is ownership and the family abusing their access and blabbing about who we want. I think Schoen knows there's no ending that so he's combatting it with obfuscation.



Agreed.

But it can also serve a purpose, especially if he wants a player to fall or to trade down.


There haven't been any legit leaks about us liking JJM to my knowledge? All leaks have said wr don't want JJM besides some reports connecting dots and using info from other teams. We have had 2-3 asshats here say people inside the draft process have said we are not going JJM. Any pundit reports have been without any inside info it sounds like.
RE: Sean  
j_rud : 4/17/2024 7:21 pm : link
In comment 16472852 Eric from BBI said:
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I'm going in the opposite direction.

As I cover in the podcast, I heard Maye in February. I think they are talking up McCarthy for a reason.


After listening to that I agree. Read the tea leaves: Schrager does his mock based on what he hears from the GM's/coaches he talks to. You'd have to assume Schoen/Daboll know this and would play it close to the vest or throw some shit out to muddy the waters.

I suspect regardless of how it plays out we'll hear it was always Maye. That they liked McCarthy but not in a trade up or at 6. Maye fits their mold. When you hear hoofbeats in Central Park don't think 'zebras'.

If it's Maye, it's a gamble. I don't hate it but it's hard to have a ton of confidence. If these guys can ID and then develop two big, insanely talented but developmental QB prospects they'd be legends.
BBI is so finkle  
ThreePoints : 4/17/2024 7:26 pm : link
It really cracks me up.

Beat reporter quotes some source about something negative or they don't like: "I tell you what, these reporters LIE LIE LIE. No one ever believes them. These guys all suck, journalism is dead."

Another reporter, who is on an even bigger platform, says something else: "Well, well, well, where there's smoke there's fire! You gotta believe this guy, he admits he talks to GMs!"

Maybe, just maybe....Schrager has an inflated ego and wants people to tune into to watch his FINAL THIS IS THE BEST ONE I PROMISE mock draft? Just maybe?
RE: RE: Sean  
Big Rick in FL : 4/17/2024 7:27 pm : link
In comment 16472867 j_rud said:
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In comment 16472852 Eric from BBI said:


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I'm going in the opposite direction.

As I cover in the podcast, I heard Maye in February. I think they are talking up McCarthy for a reason.



After listening to that I agree. Read the tea leaves: Schrager does his mock based on what he hears from the GM's/coaches he talks to. You'd have to assume Schoen/Daboll know this and would play it close to the vest or throw some shit out to muddy the waters.

I suspect regardless of how it plays out we'll hear it was always Maye. That they liked McCarthy but not in a trade up or at 6. Maye fits their mold. When you hear hoofbeats in Central Park don't think 'zebras'.

If it's Maye, it's a gamble. I don't hate it but it's hard to have a ton of confidence. If these guys can ID and then develop two big, insanely talented but developmental QB prospects they'd be legends.


Why is it hard to hVe confidence in Drake Maye? There are a lot of very smart people in the draft community that are very very high on him. I just saw Bleacher Report rankings today and Maye is their top rated QB ahead of Williams. Look up this person on Twitter. He does a lot of good work on QBs and I believe Maye is his #1 rated QB as well. His username is @QBKlass

Eric - I heard a few months ago that they were trying to trade up for Caleb and once that couldn't get done they were gonna try to trade up for Maye.
I am a little confused  
Giantimistic : 4/17/2024 7:28 pm : link
Based on listening why a GM or coach would tell him the truth and let him put it in his mock draft.

I get putting out false info or misleading info but what do they get out of putting out real info to him.

as always  
BigBlueCane : 4/17/2024 7:32 pm : link
its not what the Giants GM says, its what the others involved in the process say.

It probably is Giants like Maye, not so much on McCarthy while the Pats are reversed.

And then you have the Vikings who really want one or the other.

and Cowherd has been saying Penix was not going to get by the Seahawks for awhile.
RE: RE: Sean  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/17/2024 7:34 pm : link
In comment 16472860 BleedBlue46 said:
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In comment 16472852 Eric from BBI said:


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I'm going in the opposite direction.

As I cover in the podcast, I heard Maye in February. I think they are talking up McCarthy for a reason.



Why would asshats be hearing we definitely aren't going JJM then? Wouldn't Schoen want everyone saying we like JJM if that were the situation?


I don't think Schoen or other GMs are factoring in BBI. Just a hunch.
Wow... that is extremely noteworthy  
UberAlias : 4/17/2024 7:35 pm : link
Obviously we all anticipate, but 3 GMs, and I think we all know who they are, putting in a call is highly specific. If this ever was a smokescreen by Schoen, I tip my hat to you there.
RE: RE: RE: Sean  
BleedBlue46 : 4/17/2024 7:38 pm : link
In comment 16472879 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 16472852 Eric from BBI said:


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I'm going in the opposite direction.

As I cover in the podcast, I heard Maye in February. I think they are talking up McCarthy for a reason.



Why would asshats be hearing we definitely aren't going JJM then? Wouldn't Schoen want everyone saying we like JJM if that were the situation?



I don't think Schoen or other GMs are factoring in BBI. Just a hunch.


I'd just think Schoen would want everyone on the same page if they were really trying to intentionally hype him up I wouldn't think they would have people leaking that we definitely won't take him. It sure will be interesting. I'm really looking forward to seeing how all 6 of these QBs fare in the NFL.
BleedBlue46  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/17/2024 7:42 pm : link
Why are you assuming the Giants are able to control leaks?

They can't. As we found out with Burns.
The league knows who to listen to  
UberAlias : 4/17/2024 7:43 pm : link
Daboll admitted that he and others in the league look at mock drafts. Specific ones, I'm sure. Schrager reporting GMs called him? Our boy Rickey keeps getting banned on X.
RE: BleedBlue46  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/17/2024 7:44 pm : link
In comment 16472893 Eric from BBI said:
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Why are you assuming the Giants are able to control leaks?

They can't. As we found out with Burns.


Wasn't that just like a BBI/Twitter thing? Perhaps I missed it, but I don't recall a beat even writing an article about that possibility.
Maybe Schoen Is Talking Up QBs  
Trainmaster : 4/17/2024 7:46 pm : link
So he’ll have his choice of WRs.

🤔
SFGFNCGiantsFan  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/17/2024 7:47 pm : link
he's specifically referencing why the Giants are not controlling leaks on BBI.
RE: Maybe Schoen Is Talking Up QBs  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/17/2024 7:47 pm : link
In comment 16472898 Trainmaster said:
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So he’ll have his choice of WRs.

🤔


Definitely a possibility, and perhaps the most likely possibility.
RE: BBI is so finkle  
Fifty Six : 4/17/2024 7:51 pm : link
In comment 16472870 ThreePoints said:
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It really cracks me up.

Beat reporter quotes some source about something negative or they don't like: "I tell you what, these reporters LIE LIE LIE. No one ever believes them. These guys all suck, journalism is dead."

Another reporter, who is on an even bigger platform, says something else: "Well, well, well, where there's smoke there's fire! You gotta believe this guy, he admits he talks to GMs!"

Maybe, just maybe....Schrager has an inflated ego and wants people to tune into to watch his FINAL THIS IS THE BEST ONE I PROMISE mock draft? Just maybe?


This.
If NYG isn't interested in JJM themselves  
UberAlias : 4/17/2024 7:52 pm : link
they 100% want steams behind us to believe that we do.
I'm  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/17/2024 7:53 pm : link
not sure why those knocking Schrager don't get this.

Schrager has long been connected with the Giants and revealed inside stuff. That's not speculation. That's reality.

So of course teams are paying attention.

Daboll just said he pays attention to mock drafts.
and Daboll  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/17/2024 7:54 pm : link
specifically said he pays attention to mocks because he knows that some of those who do them have connections with teams.

Connect the dots with Schrager here.
If they want JJM for themselves  
UberAlias : 4/17/2024 7:54 pm : link
Then they don't want that out there. Schrager said it --the GMs don't care when mocks the guys they don't want. It's when he mocks the guys that they do what that he gets a reaction.
Eric  
UberAlias : 4/17/2024 7:56 pm : link
Multiple teams literally called the guy. I'm not sure what more evidence anyone could want.
Here is what Daboll said this week...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/17/2024 7:56 pm : link
Q. The mock drafts all seem that the quarterbacks go one, two three; Giants take whichever receiver is left. Is it that simple?

BRIAN DABOLL: I don't know. I think you could go back the last ten years and look at all the mock drafts and see where everything was before the draft and then after the draft. I got a great appreciation for everybody that puts time in, whether they are in the building or outside the building and people that evaluate players. It's time consuming. Those people that put those things together do a great job.

I would say you never really know until you're right in the moment of the day of the draft. Unless a trade happens before the draft. There is a lot of unknowns, a lot of uncertainties. You do the best job to prepare for it, and Joe has done a great job the last two years. He's doing a great job of leading the staff and the meetings they have.

You know, you just have a great appreciation for the work that people put into it, whether it's in our building or outside the building. It's time consuming.

You might see something different than I see. Not that it's wrong, but that's just the way it goes. The mock drafts, I look at them. I definitely look at them because there is probably some people that are communicating with other people and they think this and they think that.

I don't know if a mock draft has ever been 100% in terms of one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, so you trust your work of your evaluation, the people in your building, and then make the best decision for yourself.
RE: SFGFNCGiantsFan  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/17/2024 7:56 pm : link
In comment 16472900 Eric from BBI said:
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he's specifically referencing why the Giants are not controlling leaks on BBI.


Haha. I suspect the entire NYG organization knows of BBI, but I doubt they're having meetings about 'How can we stop these leaks on BBI?'

& if they are, oh boy. Haha. No offense to you Eric, but I hope they got bigger fish to fry.
RE: RE: SFGFNCGiantsFan  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/17/2024 7:58 pm : link
In comment 16472917 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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he's specifically referencing why the Giants are not controlling leaks on BBI.



Haha. I suspect the entire NYG organization knows of BBI, but I doubt they're having meetings about 'How can we stop these leaks on BBI?'

& if they are, oh boy. Haha. No offense to you Eric, but I hope they got bigger fish to fry.


That was the point of my response.
RE: BleedBlue46  
BleedBlue46 : 4/17/2024 7:59 pm : link
In comment 16472893 Eric from BBI said:
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Why are you assuming the Giants are able to control leaks?

They can't. As we found out with Burns.


True, I'm overestimating Schoen's godfather status.
People have to understand  
UberAlias : 4/17/2024 8:00 pm : link
When you're talking about the QB position, the stakes are SO much higher. Yes, your first round pick is always a big deal, but when you're talking about a team trying to land their franchise QB, there's so much more at stake. I have to imagine there is hyper sensitivity to all of this stuff right now.
If they want Maye, they need to trade up  
Sean : 4/17/2024 8:00 pm : link
I'd be shocked if Maye lasted until 6. You'd have to get up to 4 at minimum, probably 3.

If JJM is intentional smoke, it's likely for a team to trade up and drop down either Harrison or Nabers. Or, they legit like McCarthy which would not surprise me either.
Giants want a team to trade up before us  
WillieYoung : 4/17/2024 8:01 pm : link
to get JJM so we have our choice of the second wideout even if the Chargers don't go OL or are the team making the trade.
Sean.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/17/2024 8:01 pm : link
I think Williams-Daniels go 1-2. & I think Joe is working on moving up to 3 to take Drake. Just a hunch.
There is a fly in the ointment  
Giantology : 4/17/2024 8:02 pm : link
Shit has hit the fan. The lion will speak!
RE: Giants want a team to trade up before us  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/17/2024 8:04 pm : link
In comment 16472927 WillieYoung said:
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to get JJM so we have our choice of the second wideout even if the Chargers don't go OL or are the team making the trade.


This is the most likely.

If they want to use McCarthy as trade down bait, then they would want him to make it to #6.

That said, if a team really wants Alt or one of the WRs, then the trade value of our pick goes up too.

The pie in the sky shit is to somehow get Kraft to think McCarthy is Brady 2.0.
This draft  
darren in pdx : 4/17/2024 8:05 pm : link
is going to be wild.
NYG has had 5 QB’s in for top 30 visits  
Rjanyg : 4/17/2024 8:06 pm : link
Only 3 WR and all of the high 3, no kid rounders.

This tells me they like WR at 6, unless they can trade up for Maye.
as I said  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/17/2024 8:07 pm : link
in another thread, I was told a long time ago that the Giants once tried to influence Dallas to take a QB. I don't remember the specific details, but I think it Manziel in the draft where they took Zack Martin. It didn't work. But that doesn't mean teams don't try.
RE: NYG has had 5 QB’s in for top 30 visits  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/17/2024 8:08 pm : link
In comment 16472935 Rjanyg said:
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Only 3 WR and all of the high 3, no kid rounders.

This tells me they like WR at 6, unless they can trade up for Maye.


I talked about on the podcast how Schoen was pissed off about the 30 visit leaks. He may be using them for his advantage this year.
Another Reason Schoen Is Letting This Get Out  
KennyHill48 : 4/17/2024 8:13 pm : link
To get potential trade competition off the board. Take Minnesota. Part of their sell to NE about trading back might be that McCarthy will be there at 11. With a leak that the Giants are interesting in McCarthy, NE might back off. Or Minnesota gets so concerned that they'l miss out that they use their capital to get in front of the Giants at 4 or 5, blow all of their trade up capital and eliminate them as a player for 3. Or maybe Denver or Seattle are talking to teams in 7-10 about trading up and Schoen wants them to think the Giants will take McCarthy so they won't bother and the Giants can trade with one of those teams.
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