Or he has told everyone to say they aren't going JJM in the building while liking him. We have 2 asshats saying we aren't going JJM. Which either means we still have some legit leaks or Schoen is trying to get JJM to slide to 6.
Hrs definitely doing a great job this year, I love it.
RE: Either Schoen's got the JJM smoke bombs working,
Or he has told everyone to say they aren't going JJM in the building while liking him. We have 2 asshats saying we aren't going JJM. Which either means we still have some legit leaks or Schoen is trying to get JJM to slide to 6.
Hrs definitely doing a great job this year, I love it.
Keep in mind what Belichick said today on McAfee. He said nothing real is leaked until around 10 hours before the draft on draft day,
I'd bet NYG likes McCarthy, but wouldn't take stock in any asshat right now.
No inside info obviously-Haha-but I expect us to move up to 3 if Maye is still there. I bet Wolf & Joe have had the parameters of a deal set up already.
We've had multiple GMs and the only constant with leaks of the past is ownership and the family abusing their access and blabbing about who we want. I think Schoen knows there's no ending that so he's combatting it with obfuscation.
We've had multiple GMs and the only constant with leaks of the past is ownership and the family abusing their access and blabbing about who we want. I think Schoen knows there's no ending that so he's combatting it with obfuscation.
Agreed.
But it can also serve a purpose, especially if he wants a player to fall or to trade down.
We've had multiple GMs and the only constant with leaks of the past is ownership and the family abusing their access and blabbing about who we want. I think Schoen knows there's no ending that so he's combatting it with obfuscation.
We've had multiple GMs and the only constant with leaks of the past is ownership and the family abusing their access and blabbing about who we want. I think Schoen knows there's no ending that so he's combatting it with obfuscation.
Agreed.
But it can also serve a purpose, especially if he wants a player to fall or to trade down.
There haven't been any legit leaks about us liking JJM to my knowledge? All leaks have said wr don't want JJM besides some reports connecting dots and using info from other teams. We have had 2-3 asshats here say people inside the draft process have said we are not going JJM. Any pundit reports have been without any inside info it sounds like.
As I cover in the podcast, I heard Maye in February. I think they are talking up McCarthy for a reason.
After listening to that I agree. Read the tea leaves: Schrager does his mock based on what he hears from the GM's/coaches he talks to. You'd have to assume Schoen/Daboll know this and would play it close to the vest or throw some shit out to muddy the waters.
I suspect regardless of how it plays out we'll hear it was always Maye. That they liked McCarthy but not in a trade up or at 6. Maye fits their mold. When you hear hoofbeats in Central Park don't think 'zebras'.
If it's Maye, it's a gamble. I don't hate it but it's hard to have a ton of confidence. If these guys can ID and then develop two big, insanely talented but developmental QB prospects they'd be legends.
Beat reporter quotes some source about something negative or they don't like: "I tell you what, these reporters LIE LIE LIE. No one ever believes them. These guys all suck, journalism is dead."
Another reporter, who is on an even bigger platform, says something else: "Well, well, well, where there's smoke there's fire! You gotta believe this guy, he admits he talks to GMs!"
Maybe, just maybe....Schrager has an inflated ego and wants people to tune into to watch his FINAL THIS IS THE BEST ONE I PROMISE mock draft? Just maybe?
As I cover in the podcast, I heard Maye in February. I think they are talking up McCarthy for a reason.
After listening to that I agree. Read the tea leaves: Schrager does his mock based on what he hears from the GM's/coaches he talks to. You'd have to assume Schoen/Daboll know this and would play it close to the vest or throw some shit out to muddy the waters.
I suspect regardless of how it plays out we'll hear it was always Maye. That they liked McCarthy but not in a trade up or at 6. Maye fits their mold. When you hear hoofbeats in Central Park don't think 'zebras'.
If it's Maye, it's a gamble. I don't hate it but it's hard to have a ton of confidence. If these guys can ID and then develop two big, insanely talented but developmental QB prospects they'd be legends.
Why is it hard to hVe confidence in Drake Maye? There are a lot of very smart people in the draft community that are very very high on him. I just saw Bleacher Report rankings today and Maye is their top rated QB ahead of Williams. Look up this person on Twitter. He does a lot of good work on QBs and I believe Maye is his #1 rated QB as well. His username is @QBKlass
Eric - I heard a few months ago that they were trying to trade up for Caleb and once that couldn't get done they were gonna try to trade up for Maye.
Obviously we all anticipate, but 3 GMs, and I think we all know who they are, putting in a call is highly specific. If this ever was a smokescreen by Schoen, I tip my hat to you there.
As I cover in the podcast, I heard Maye in February. I think they are talking up McCarthy for a reason.
Why would asshats be hearing we definitely aren't going JJM then? Wouldn't Schoen want everyone saying we like JJM if that were the situation?
I don't think Schoen or other GMs are factoring in BBI. Just a hunch.
I'd just think Schoen would want everyone on the same page if they were really trying to intentionally hype him up I wouldn't think they would have people leaking that we definitely won't take him. It sure will be interesting. I'm really looking forward to seeing how all 6 of these QBs fare in the NFL.
Daboll admitted that he and others in the league look at mock drafts. Specific ones, I'm sure. Schrager reporting GMs called him? Our boy Rickey keeps getting banned on X.
Beat reporter quotes some source about something negative or they don't like: "I tell you what, these reporters LIE LIE LIE. No one ever believes them. These guys all suck, journalism is dead."
Another reporter, who is on an even bigger platform, says something else: "Well, well, well, where there's smoke there's fire! You gotta believe this guy, he admits he talks to GMs!"
Maybe, just maybe....Schrager has an inflated ego and wants people to tune into to watch his FINAL THIS IS THE BEST ONE I PROMISE mock draft? Just maybe?
Then they don't want that out there. Schrager said it --the GMs don't care when mocks the guys they don't want. It's when he mocks the guys that they do what that he gets a reaction.
Q. The mock drafts all seem that the quarterbacks go one, two three; Giants take whichever receiver is left. Is it that simple?
BRIAN DABOLL: I don't know. I think you could go back the last ten years and look at all the mock drafts and see where everything was before the draft and then after the draft. I got a great appreciation for everybody that puts time in, whether they are in the building or outside the building and people that evaluate players. It's time consuming. Those people that put those things together do a great job.
I would say you never really know until you're right in the moment of the day of the draft. Unless a trade happens before the draft. There is a lot of unknowns, a lot of uncertainties. You do the best job to prepare for it, and Joe has done a great job the last two years. He's doing a great job of leading the staff and the meetings they have.
You know, you just have a great appreciation for the work that people put into it, whether it's in our building or outside the building. It's time consuming.
You might see something different than I see. Not that it's wrong, but that's just the way it goes. The mock drafts, I look at them. I definitely look at them because there is probably some people that are communicating with other people and they think this and they think that.
I don't know if a mock draft has ever been 100% in terms of one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, so you trust your work of your evaluation, the people in your building, and then make the best decision for yourself.
When you're talking about the QB position, the stakes are SO much higher. Yes, your first round pick is always a big deal, but when you're talking about a team trying to land their franchise QB, there's so much more at stake. I have to imagine there is hyper sensitivity to all of this stuff right now.
I'd be shocked if Maye lasted until 6. You'd have to get up to 4 at minimum, probably 3.
If JJM is intentional smoke, it's likely for a team to trade up and drop down either Harrison or Nabers. Or, they legit like McCarthy which would not surprise me either.
in another thread, I was told a long time ago that the Giants once tried to influence Dallas to take a QB. I don't remember the specific details, but I think it Manziel in the draft where they took Zack Martin. It didn't work. But that doesn't mean teams don't try.
To get potential trade competition off the board. Take Minnesota. Part of their sell to NE about trading back might be that McCarthy will be there at 11. With a leak that the Giants are interesting in McCarthy, NE might back off. Or Minnesota gets so concerned that they'l miss out that they use their capital to get in front of the Giants at 4 or 5, blow all of their trade up capital and eliminate them as a player for 3. Or maybe Denver or Seattle are talking to teams in 7-10 about trading up and Schoen wants them to think the Giants will take McCarthy so they won't bother and the Giants can trade with one of those teams.
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Hrs definitely doing a great job this year, I love it.
Hrs definitely doing a great job this year, I love it.
Keep in mind what Belichick said today on McAfee. He said nothing real is leaked until around 10 hours before the draft on draft day,
I'd bet NYG likes McCarthy, but wouldn't take stock in any asshat right now.
As I cover in the podcast, I heard Maye in February. I think they are talking up McCarthy for a reason.
I got us getting Maye (via some asshats here) and then trading for Aiyuk (Rickey with an interesting bomb this AM).
Although in both situations, best to remember that things change on a dime and NYG isn't the only team trying to move position or players.
Agreed.
But it can also serve a purpose, especially if he wants a player to fall or to trade down.
As I cover in the podcast, I heard Maye in February. I think they are talking up McCarthy for a reason.
Why would asshats be hearing we definitely aren't going JJM then? Wouldn't Schoen want everyone saying we like JJM if that were the situation?
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We've had multiple GMs and the only constant with leaks of the past is ownership and the family abusing their access and blabbing about who we want. I think Schoen knows there's no ending that so he's combatting it with obfuscation.
Agreed.
But it can also serve a purpose, especially if he wants a player to fall or to trade down.
There haven't been any legit leaks about us liking JJM to my knowledge? All leaks have said wr don't want JJM besides some reports connecting dots and using info from other teams. We have had 2-3 asshats here say people inside the draft process have said we are not going JJM. Any pundit reports have been without any inside info it sounds like.
As I cover in the podcast, I heard Maye in February. I think they are talking up McCarthy for a reason.
After listening to that I agree. Read the tea leaves: Schrager does his mock based on what he hears from the GM's/coaches he talks to. You'd have to assume Schoen/Daboll know this and would play it close to the vest or throw some shit out to muddy the waters.
I suspect regardless of how it plays out we'll hear it was always Maye. That they liked McCarthy but not in a trade up or at 6. Maye fits their mold. When you hear hoofbeats in Central Park don't think 'zebras'.
If it's Maye, it's a gamble. I don't hate it but it's hard to have a ton of confidence. If these guys can ID and then develop two big, insanely talented but developmental QB prospects they'd be legends.
Beat reporter quotes some source about something negative or they don't like: "I tell you what, these reporters LIE LIE LIE. No one ever believes them. These guys all suck, journalism is dead."
Another reporter, who is on an even bigger platform, says something else: "Well, well, well, where there's smoke there's fire! You gotta believe this guy, he admits he talks to GMs!"
Maybe, just maybe....Schrager has an inflated ego and wants people to tune into to watch his FINAL THIS IS THE BEST ONE I PROMISE mock draft? Just maybe?
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I'm going in the opposite direction.
As I cover in the podcast, I heard Maye in February. I think they are talking up McCarthy for a reason.
After listening to that I agree. Read the tea leaves: Schrager does his mock based on what he hears from the GM's/coaches he talks to. You'd have to assume Schoen/Daboll know this and would play it close to the vest or throw some shit out to muddy the waters.
I suspect regardless of how it plays out we'll hear it was always Maye. That they liked McCarthy but not in a trade up or at 6. Maye fits their mold. When you hear hoofbeats in Central Park don't think 'zebras'.
If it's Maye, it's a gamble. I don't hate it but it's hard to have a ton of confidence. If these guys can ID and then develop two big, insanely talented but developmental QB prospects they'd be legends.
Why is it hard to hVe confidence in Drake Maye? There are a lot of very smart people in the draft community that are very very high on him. I just saw Bleacher Report rankings today and Maye is their top rated QB ahead of Williams. Look up this person on Twitter. He does a lot of good work on QBs and I believe Maye is his #1 rated QB as well. His username is @QBKlass
Eric - I heard a few months ago that they were trying to trade up for Caleb and once that couldn't get done they were gonna try to trade up for Maye.
I get putting out false info or misleading info but what do they get out of putting out real info to him.
It probably is Giants like Maye, not so much on McCarthy while the Pats are reversed.
And then you have the Vikings who really want one or the other.
and Cowherd has been saying Penix was not going to get by the Seahawks for awhile.
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I'm going in the opposite direction.
As I cover in the podcast, I heard Maye in February. I think they are talking up McCarthy for a reason.
Why would asshats be hearing we definitely aren't going JJM then? Wouldn't Schoen want everyone saying we like JJM if that were the situation?
I don't think Schoen or other GMs are factoring in BBI. Just a hunch.
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I'm going in the opposite direction.
As I cover in the podcast, I heard Maye in February. I think they are talking up McCarthy for a reason.
Why would asshats be hearing we definitely aren't going JJM then? Wouldn't Schoen want everyone saying we like JJM if that were the situation?
I don't think Schoen or other GMs are factoring in BBI. Just a hunch.
I'd just think Schoen would want everyone on the same page if they were really trying to intentionally hype him up I wouldn't think they would have people leaking that we definitely won't take him. It sure will be interesting. I'm really looking forward to seeing how all 6 of these QBs fare in the NFL.
They can't. As we found out with Burns.
They can't. As we found out with Burns.
Wasn't that just like a BBI/Twitter thing? Perhaps I missed it, but I don't recall a beat even writing an article about that possibility.
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Definitely a possibility, and perhaps the most likely possibility.
Beat reporter quotes some source about something negative or they don't like: "I tell you what, these reporters LIE LIE LIE. No one ever believes them. These guys all suck, journalism is dead."
Another reporter, who is on an even bigger platform, says something else: "Well, well, well, where there's smoke there's fire! You gotta believe this guy, he admits he talks to GMs!"
Maybe, just maybe....Schrager has an inflated ego and wants people to tune into to watch his FINAL THIS IS THE BEST ONE I PROMISE mock draft? Just maybe?
This.
Schrager has long been connected with the Giants and revealed inside stuff. That's not speculation. That's reality.
So of course teams are paying attention.
Daboll just said he pays attention to mock drafts.
Connect the dots with Schrager here.
BRIAN DABOLL: I don't know. I think you could go back the last ten years and look at all the mock drafts and see where everything was before the draft and then after the draft. I got a great appreciation for everybody that puts time in, whether they are in the building or outside the building and people that evaluate players. It's time consuming. Those people that put those things together do a great job.
I would say you never really know until you're right in the moment of the day of the draft. Unless a trade happens before the draft. There is a lot of unknowns, a lot of uncertainties. You do the best job to prepare for it, and Joe has done a great job the last two years. He's doing a great job of leading the staff and the meetings they have.
You know, you just have a great appreciation for the work that people put into it, whether it's in our building or outside the building. It's time consuming.
You might see something different than I see. Not that it's wrong, but that's just the way it goes. The mock drafts, I look at them. I definitely look at them because there is probably some people that are communicating with other people and they think this and they think that.
I don't know if a mock draft has ever been 100% in terms of one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, so you trust your work of your evaluation, the people in your building, and then make the best decision for yourself.
Haha. I suspect the entire NYG organization knows of BBI, but I doubt they're having meetings about 'How can we stop these leaks on BBI?'
& if they are, oh boy. Haha. No offense to you Eric, but I hope they got bigger fish to fry.
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he's specifically referencing why the Giants are not controlling leaks on BBI.
Haha. I suspect the entire NYG organization knows of BBI, but I doubt they're having meetings about 'How can we stop these leaks on BBI?'
& if they are, oh boy. Haha. No offense to you Eric, but I hope they got bigger fish to fry.
That was the point of my response.
They can't. As we found out with Burns.
True, I'm overestimating Schoen's godfather status.
If JJM is intentional smoke, it's likely for a team to trade up and drop down either Harrison or Nabers. Or, they legit like McCarthy which would not surprise me either.
This is the most likely.
If they want to use McCarthy as trade down bait, then they would want him to make it to #6.
That said, if a team really wants Alt or one of the WRs, then the trade value of our pick goes up too.
The pie in the sky shit is to somehow get Kraft to think McCarthy is Brady 2.0.
This tells me they like WR at 6, unless they can trade up for Maye.
This tells me they like WR at 6, unless they can trade up for Maye.
I talked about on the podcast how Schoen was pissed off about the 30 visit leaks. He may be using them for his advantage this year.