Who most resembles Josh Allen in this class? Drake. Where were Joe & Dabs in 2018 when the Bills picked Allen? Buffalo. I think Joe is going to do his damn best to move up to 3 if Drake is there, or 4 is NE takes JJM.
To quote Beane when asked years later about Buffalo moving up for Allen:
“I mean, we got criticized a little bit for how much we gave up for Josh. And I’m like, ‘Well, if he doesn’t work out, I’m not going to be here anyway. And if he does work out, nobody’s gonna give a shit.'
As Joe said in last year's draft...'Scared money don't make money.'
Penix will go in 1st round. Raiders and Seahawks are interested.
There are several posters who are deluding themselves into thinking Penix - and Nix will be available top of round 2.
I'm a nobody, but I think there is very little chance either one of them make it past pick 20. I won't say "zero" chance because it;s the draft and weird things happen. But if the expected run happens - QB's go 1-3, possibly 4 thru 6 (with 4 being JJM) - teams will panic and take Penix and Nix way earlier then expected.
My comments are worth the proverbial grains of salt, of course...
is that we have had a combine meeting, 30 visit, private workout with a dinner and an additional meeting with McCarthy. Seems like a lot to deploy that much time and effort for a guy we don't want.
is that we have had a combine meeting, 30 visit, private workout with a dinner and an additional meeting with McCarthy. Seems like a lot to deploy that much time and effort for a guy we don't want.
I agree.
But it would be something if this was a smokescreen... very un-Giant like. But I will not discount the possibility.
The Giants must come out of this draft or next year's draft with a QB. So they either trade up, stand pat and hope someone falls to them, maneuver for Penix or Nix, or take a later round shot in the dark. Other than that, we punt.
If you want to maneuver, you want the best deal in a trade down first.
This scenario is one I've been predicting since the combine. It's obvious that Arizona wants a WR and would prefer to move to 6 vs 11 or lower. They are guaranteed their #2 receiver at 6 and have a chance at their #1 receiver at that pick. The giants interest in QBs is also obvious; they've met with all the top qbs multiple times.
Why are they surprised this scenario is possible?
I think Schrager simply connected the same dots. And other teams contacted him to ask if he's actually heard this is in the works. And I'm guessing he told them it's just speculation. But he's not going to admit on the air that it's speculation. Better to let us guess/assume that he has inside info.
Hopefully his report doesn't make it more likely the giants get outbid for #4 (if this is actually their plan)
The Giants flying out on Easter weekend to meet with McCarthy for misdirection? I don't see it. Schoen has been pretty forthright in what he's told the media.
I think McCarthy is in play, probably below Maye but in play.
In case some of you need reminders. This is the NYG QB group:
Daniel Jones (recovering from torn ACL)
Drew Lock (1 year, $5M deal)
Tommy DeVito (benched for poor play late in season)
The Giants are looking at QB. You can put out leaks without flying all over the country meeting these guys. They've done a ton of homework on McCarthy.
RE: I don't understand how other teams are surprised
This scenario is one I've been predicting since the combine. It's obvious that Arizona wants a WR and would prefer to move to 6 vs 11 or lower. They are guaranteed their #2 receiver at 6 and have a chance at their #1 receiver at that pick. The giants interest in QBs is also obvious; they've met with all the top qbs multiple times.
Why are they surprised this scenario is possible?
I think Schrager simply connected the same dots. And other teams contacted him to ask if he's actually heard this is in the works. And I'm guessing he told them it's just speculation. But he's not going to admit on the air that it's speculation. Better to let us guess/assume that he has inside info.
Hopefully his report doesn't make it more likely the giants get outbid for #4 (if this is actually their plan)
I wouldn't say this scenario has been predicted as anything other than another possible option.
What has been "predicted" with the Giants? They like Maye. They like McCarthy. They like Nabers.
Almost every mock has had them standing pat while the QBs go before them and they are "settling" for Nabers. (A few say Odunze, but it's mostly Nabers).
This is one of the very few mocks that have the Giants trading up, and it comes from a guy who is known to have Giants connections. Hence the reason why the teams called.
The Giants flying out on Easter weekend to meet with McCarthy for misdirection? I don't see it. Schoen has been pretty forthright in what he's told the media.
I think McCarthy is in play, probably below Maye but in play.
In case some of you need reminders. This is the NYG QB group:
Daniel Jones (recovering from torn ACL)
Drew Lock (1 year, $5M deal)
Tommy DeVito (benched for poor play late in season)
The Giants are looking at QB. You can put out leaks without flying all over the country meeting these guys. They've done a ton of homework on McCarthy.
We shall see. We've got BBI asshats who say McCarthy is not in play with the Giants. That doesn't mean they are right, but we shall see.
They called to see if there was substance was behind it or just a guess. The mock draft is information. Understanding the value of that information is kind of important.
The Giants flying out on Easter weekend to meet with McCarthy for misdirection? I don't see it. Schoen has been pretty forthright in what he's told the media.
I think McCarthy is in play, probably below Maye but in play.
In case some of you need reminders. This is the NYG QB group:
Daniel Jones (recovering from torn ACL)
Drew Lock (1 year, $5M deal)
Tommy DeVito (benched for poor play late in season)
The Giants are looking at QB. You can put out leaks without flying all over the country meeting these guys. They've done a ton of homework on McCarthy.
We shall see. We've got BBI asshats who say McCarthy is not in play with the Giants. That doesn't mean they are right, but we shall see.
Your thinking has changed if I’m not mistaken. I think you were of the thought not to dismiss the QB stuff given all the work they’ve put into the position. Now it seems you’re thinking it’s all a ruse?
RE: So don’t tell me Schrager went to Univ of Mich too?
Who most resembles Josh Allen in this class? Drake. Where were Joe & Dabs in 2018 when the Bills picked Allen? Buffalo. I think Joe is going to do his damn best to move up to 3 if Drake is there, or 4 is NE takes JJM.
To quote Beane when asked years later about Buffalo moving up for Allen:
“I mean, we got criticized a little bit for how much we gave up for Josh. And I’m like, ‘Well, if he doesn’t work out, I’m not going to be here anyway. And if he does work out, nobody’s gonna give a shit.'
As Joe said in last year's draft...'Scared money don't make money.'
Exactly, do the work and take the shot. Can’t draft scared.
To move up to three, you have to give up next year's #1 and other picks. Next year's #1 has a good chance to be a top ten pick. And you don't really want Maye thrown to the wolves as a rookie.
If Maye turns out to be stud, it's well worth it.
But if he doesn't, the team won't recover for five years.
Not saying don't do it, but you have to understand the true stakes here.
RE: RE: So don’t tell me Schrager went to Univ of Mich too?
You should work at increasing the quality of your posts.
Whatever. The spin and the rumors feed the themselves around GM circles. The manner in which Getts was duped into using his first pick in Rd 1 on Jones in 2019 is testament to that. Don’t need to feed or confirm it with a Schrager mock of all things.
You should work at increasing the quality of your posts.
Whatever. The spin and the rumors feed the themselves around GM circles. The manner in which Getts was duped into using his first pick in Rd 1 on Jones in 2019 is testament to that. Don’t need to feed or confirm it with a Schrager mock of all things.
I don't know what this response means. I've just noticed recently that you seem more interested in being combative than interacting.
To move up to three, you have to give up next year's #1 and other picks. Next year's #1 has a good chance to be a top ten pick. And you don't really want Maye thrown to the wolves as a rookie.
If Maye turns out to be stud, it's well worth it.
But if he doesn't, the team won't recover for five years.
Not saying don't do it, but you have to understand the true stakes here.
‘That’s how you become great man. Hang your balls out there.’
...that JJ is not worthy.
Had he thrown 10 more passes per game and his %#s were the same, would you feel differently?
More volume could help standing and solidifying a day 2 pick. But still would fall short of seeing a dynamic passer at the college level to go high rd 1 with him.
...that JJ is not worthy.
Had he thrown 10 more passes per game and his %#s were the same, would you feel differently?
More volume could help standing and solidifying a day 2 pick. But still would fall short of seeing a dynamic passer at the college level to go high rd 1 with him.
Jan 15th he was a day 2 guy...didnt play any games after that did he...
what changed?
I personally dislike Schrager who comes across as a buffoonish clown every time I have seen him. How about he's just making shit up. Really multiple teams called him a guy who it hardly seems like would have any connections of import in the league. And if he did how about maybe its a plant from Arizona that wants Minnesota to think maybe the Cards have other offers out there so if they want #4 they better sweeten the pot.
RE: Either Schoen's got the JJM smoke bombs working,
Or he has told everyone to say they aren't going JJM in the building while liking him. We have 2 asshats saying we aren't going JJM. Which either means we still have some legit leaks or Schoen is trying to get JJM to slide to 6.
Hrs definitely doing a great job this year, I love it.
Do you actually believe a player will fall because of what the media says??? You think I GM likes a player and then passes because the media said something about him? Seriously?
is already fighting for his job so he may in fact swing for the fences. If he succeeds he will be here, if he fails he will be fired and wont have to worry about what he gave up. But with Jones being an owner fav and Mara probably wanting Jones to have one more fighting chance I would bet that the Giants have to stick at 6 and only take a QB if he is there and most likely get a stud WR to help DJ.
My guess is Maye is the guy if available at 6. He didnt have a great season but if he was in last years draft he would have a higher grade imo based on potential. I think McCarthy is the smart player, knows the game but doesnt have the wow factor. Basically his ceiling is a low end top 10 QB but most likely a middle of the pack guy.
...that JJ is not worthy.
Had he thrown 10 more passes per game and his %#s were the same, would you feel differently?
More volume could help standing and solidifying a day 2 pick. But still would fall short of seeing a dynamic passer at the college level to go high rd 1 with him.
Jan 15th he was a day 2 guy...didnt play any games after that did he...
what changed?
Scouting changes a lot. Interviews, combine, pro days.
You're another poster who only makes insulting posts. I just looked at your posting history. Every post except one is attacking other posters for their opinion.
You might want to try another site. You don't seem happy here.
still think NE picks a QB at #3. If they pick JJM, then the Giants and the Vikings will likely get in a bidding war for Maye at #4. I have repeatedly said that I think bidding wars are a terrible draft strategy, but teams do it almost every year for QBs. Schoen would have to at least offer #6, #47, and our #1 next year because Minnesota would likely offer #11, #23, and their #1 and #3 next year. Both offers are competitive, but we should have the edge because Arizona would only be dropping to #6 and already has a lot of draft capital this year. All of this assumes that Arizona even wants to trade.
If Maye somehow slips to #5, then the Vikings have the edge IMO since I can't believe Schoen would make the same offer to move up one spot.
If NE picks Maye, then there is really no reason to trade up to #4 or #5. Minnesota is unlikely to make the same offer for JJM, preferring instead to stay at #11 and take Penix. And no other team would likely be able to move to #4 or #5.
I would take JJM if he gets to #6. But if he does and the Giants don't want him, then they will likely have several suitors who want to move up to #6. At least one of those offers could entice them to trade down, even though by doing so they would almost certainly miss out on all of the "big three" WRs. I could see Minnesota offering #11 and #23 for #6. It would be very ironic if instead of competing with the Vikings, they became our trade partner.
...that JJ is not worthy.
Had he thrown 10 more passes per game and his %#s were the same, would you feel differently?
More volume could help standing and solidifying a day 2 pick. But still would fall short of seeing a dynamic passer at the college level to go high rd 1 with him.
Jan 15th he was a day 2 guy...didnt play any games after that did he...
what changed?
This has been answered, you just refuse to accept the answer
"scared money don't make money" quip by Schoen was about whether they should trade down, not up, although I suppose it could be used to support doing both.
Schoen and Daboll were worried Schmitz would not be available at #57. When he was, Schoen made the remark as a joke to alleviate the tension. Nobody wanted to trade down and risk losing Schmitz.
...that JJ is not worthy.
Had he thrown 10 more passes per game and his %#s were the same, would you feel differently?
More volume could help standing and solidifying a day 2 pick. But still would fall short of seeing a dynamic passer at the college level to go high rd 1 with him.
Jan 15th he was a day 2 guy...didnt play any games after that did he...
what changed?
This has been answered, you just refuse to accept the answer
...that JJ is not worthy.
Had he thrown 10 more passes per game and his %#s were the same, would you feel differently?
More volume could help standing and solidifying a day 2 pick. But still would fall short of seeing a dynamic passer at the college level to go high rd 1 with him.
Jan 15th he was a day 2 guy...didnt play any games after that did he...
what changed?
Well per Jim Harbaugh, JJ had the greatest pro day in the history of QB pro days.
To quote Beane when asked years later about Buffalo moving up for Allen:
“I mean, we got criticized a little bit for how much we gave up for Josh. And I’m like, ‘Well, if he doesn’t work out, I’m not going to be here anyway. And if he does work out, nobody’s gonna give a shit.'
As Joe said in last year's draft...'Scared money don't make money.'
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Only 3 WR and all of the high 3, no kid rounders.
This tells me they like WR at 6, unless they can trade up for Maye.
I talked about on the podcast how Schoen was pissed off about the 30 visit leaks. He may be using them for his advantage this year.
When and where can we listen to that?
There are several posters who are deluding themselves into thinking Penix - and Nix will be available top of round 2.
I'm a nobody, but I think there is very little chance either one of them make it past pick 20. I won't say "zero" chance because it;s the draft and weird things happen. But if the expected run happens - QB's go 1-3, possibly 4 thru 6 (with 4 being JJM) - teams will panic and take Penix and Nix way earlier then expected.
My comments are worth the proverbial grains of salt, of course...
I agree.
But it would be something if this was a smokescreen... very un-Giant like. But I will not discount the possibility.
The Giants must come out of this draft or next year's draft with a QB. So they either trade up, stand pat and hope someone falls to them, maneuver for Penix or Nix, or take a later round shot in the dark. Other than that, we punt.
If you want to maneuver, you want the best deal in a trade down first.
Three teams are interested in McCarthy enough to call Schrager and ask him if his prediction was based on inside info.
Why are they surprised this scenario is possible?
I think Schrager simply connected the same dots. And other teams contacted him to ask if he's actually heard this is in the works. And I'm guessing he told them it's just speculation. But he's not going to admit on the air that it's speculation. Better to let us guess/assume that he has inside info.
Hopefully his report doesn't make it more likely the giants get outbid for #4 (if this is actually their plan)
I think McCarthy is in play, probably below Maye but in play.
In case some of you need reminders. This is the NYG QB group:
Daniel Jones (recovering from torn ACL)
Drew Lock (1 year, $5M deal)
Tommy DeVito (benched for poor play late in season)
The Giants are looking at QB. You can put out leaks without flying all over the country meeting these guys. They've done a ton of homework on McCarthy.
Why are they surprised this scenario is possible?
I think Schrager simply connected the same dots. And other teams contacted him to ask if he's actually heard this is in the works. And I'm guessing he told them it's just speculation. But he's not going to admit on the air that it's speculation. Better to let us guess/assume that he has inside info.
Hopefully his report doesn't make it more likely the giants get outbid for #4 (if this is actually their plan)
I wouldn't say this scenario has been predicted as anything other than another possible option.
What has been "predicted" with the Giants? They like Maye. They like McCarthy. They like Nabers.
Almost every mock has had them standing pat while the QBs go before them and they are "settling" for Nabers. (A few say Odunze, but it's mostly Nabers).
This is one of the very few mocks that have the Giants trading up, and it comes from a guy who is known to have Giants connections. Hence the reason why the teams called.
I think McCarthy is in play, probably below Maye but in play.
In case some of you need reminders. This is the NYG QB group:
Daniel Jones (recovering from torn ACL)
Drew Lock (1 year, $5M deal)
Tommy DeVito (benched for poor play late in season)
The Giants are looking at QB. You can put out leaks without flying all over the country meeting these guys. They've done a ton of homework on McCarthy.
We shall see. We've got BBI asshats who say McCarthy is not in play with the Giants. That doesn't mean they are right, but we shall see.
Three teams are interested in McCarthy enough to call Schrager and ask him if his prediction was based on inside info.
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Three teams are interested in McCarthy enough to call Schrager and ask him if his prediction was based on inside info.
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The Giants flying out on Easter weekend to meet with McCarthy for misdirection? I don't see it. Schoen has been pretty forthright in what he's told the media.
I think McCarthy is in play, probably below Maye but in play.
In case some of you need reminders. This is the NYG QB group:
Daniel Jones (recovering from torn ACL)
Drew Lock (1 year, $5M deal)
Tommy DeVito (benched for poor play late in season)
The Giants are looking at QB. You can put out leaks without flying all over the country meeting these guys. They've done a ton of homework on McCarthy.
We shall see. We've got BBI asshats who say McCarthy is not in play with the Giants. That doesn't mean they are right, but we shall see.
Your thinking has changed if I’m not mistaken. I think you were of the thought not to dismiss the QB stuff given all the work they’ve put into the position. Now it seems you’re thinking it’s all a ruse?
You should work at increasing the quality of your posts.
What I don't know is if they truly like McCarthy or not. They may be one of the teams who have learned to love him.
But they also may be using him to fulfill another desired outcome too.
I will note that some trustworthy asshats have said no on McCarthy. But that doesn't mean they are right either.
To quote Beane when asked years later about Buffalo moving up for Allen:
“I mean, we got criticized a little bit for how much we gave up for Josh. And I’m like, ‘Well, if he doesn’t work out, I’m not going to be here anyway. And if he does work out, nobody’s gonna give a shit.'
As Joe said in last year's draft...'Scared money don't make money.'
Exactly, do the work and take the shot. Can’t draft scared.
Could be trying to show NE they have other options and aren't deaperate?
In fact, I am amazed that most people don’t see this.
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and trying to maneuver NE to achieve it.
Could be trying to show NE they have other options and aren't deaperate?
Maybe, but NE could just take Maye or McCarthy at 3.
To move up to three, you have to give up next year's #1 and other picks. Next year's #1 has a good chance to be a top ten pick. And you don't really want Maye thrown to the wolves as a rookie.
If Maye turns out to be stud, it's well worth it.
But if he doesn't, the team won't recover for five years.
Not saying don't do it, but you have to understand the true stakes here.
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You should work at increasing the quality of your posts.
Whatever. The spin and the rumors feed the themselves around GM circles. The manner in which Getts was duped into using his first pick in Rd 1 on Jones in 2019 is testament to that. Don’t need to feed or confirm it with a Schrager mock of all things.
Had he thrown 10 more passes per game and his %#s were the same, would you feel differently?
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and trying to maneuver NE to achieve it.
Could be trying to show NE they have other options and aren't deaperate?
Maybe, but NE could just take Maye or McCarthy at 3.
Agreed, they likely only make this move if they have a deal in place to go right back up to pick 4 with AZ.
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You should work at increasing the quality of your posts.
Whatever. The spin and the rumors feed the themselves around GM circles. The manner in which Getts was duped into using his first pick in Rd 1 on Jones in 2019 is testament to that. Don’t need to feed or confirm it with a Schrager mock of all things.
I don't know what this response means. I've just noticed recently that you seem more interested in being combative than interacting.
To move up to three, you have to give up next year's #1 and other picks. Next year's #1 has a good chance to be a top ten pick. And you don't really want Maye thrown to the wolves as a rookie.
If Maye turns out to be stud, it's well worth it.
But if he doesn't, the team won't recover for five years.
Not saying don't do it, but you have to understand the true stakes here.
‘That’s how you become great man. Hang your balls out there.’
Then keep it to yourself.
Had he thrown 10 more passes per game and his %#s were the same, would you feel differently?
More volume could help standing and solidifying a day 2 pick. But still would fall short of seeing a dynamic passer at the college level to go high rd 1 with him.
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...that JJ is not worthy.
Had he thrown 10 more passes per game and his %#s were the same, would you feel differently?
More volume could help standing and solidifying a day 2 pick. But still would fall short of seeing a dynamic passer at the college level to go high rd 1 with him.
Jan 15th he was a day 2 guy...didnt play any games after that did he...
what changed?
Hrs definitely doing a great job this year, I love it.
Do you actually believe a player will fall because of what the media says??? You think I GM likes a player and then passes because the media said something about him? Seriously?
My guess is Maye is the guy if available at 6. He didnt have a great season but if he was in last years draft he would have a higher grade imo based on potential. I think McCarthy is the smart player, knows the game but doesnt have the wow factor. Basically his ceiling is a low end top 10 QB but most likely a middle of the pack guy.
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...that JJ is not worthy.
Had he thrown 10 more passes per game and his %#s were the same, would you feel differently?
More volume could help standing and solidifying a day 2 pick. But still would fall short of seeing a dynamic passer at the college level to go high rd 1 with him.
Jan 15th he was a day 2 guy...didnt play any games after that did he...
what changed?
Scouting changes a lot. Interviews, combine, pro days.
You might want to try another site. You don't seem happy here.
If Maye somehow slips to #5, then the Vikings have the edge IMO since I can't believe Schoen would make the same offer to move up one spot.
If NE picks Maye, then there is really no reason to trade up to #4 or #5. Minnesota is unlikely to make the same offer for JJM, preferring instead to stay at #11 and take Penix. And no other team would likely be able to move to #4 or #5.
I would take JJM if he gets to #6. But if he does and the Giants don't want him, then they will likely have several suitors who want to move up to #6. At least one of those offers could entice them to trade down, even though by doing so they would almost certainly miss out on all of the "big three" WRs. I could see Minnesota offering #11 and #23 for #6. It would be very ironic if instead of competing with the Vikings, they became our trade partner.
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...that JJ is not worthy.
Had he thrown 10 more passes per game and his %#s were the same, would you feel differently?
More volume could help standing and solidifying a day 2 pick. But still would fall short of seeing a dynamic passer at the college level to go high rd 1 with him.
Jan 15th he was a day 2 guy...didnt play any games after that did he...
what changed?
This has been answered, you just refuse to accept the answer
Schoen and Daboll were worried Schmitz would not be available at #57. When he was, Schoen made the remark as a joke to alleviate the tension. Nobody wanted to trade down and risk losing Schmitz.
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...that JJ is not worthy.
Had he thrown 10 more passes per game and his %#s were the same, would you feel differently?
More volume could help standing and solidifying a day 2 pick. But still would fall short of seeing a dynamic passer at the college level to go high rd 1 with him.
Jan 15th he was a day 2 guy...didnt play any games after that did he...
what changed?
This has been answered, you just refuse to accept the answer
Yup
Not on my team thanks
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...that JJ is not worthy.
Had he thrown 10 more passes per game and his %#s were the same, would you feel differently?
More volume could help standing and solidifying a day 2 pick. But still would fall short of seeing a dynamic passer at the college level to go high rd 1 with him.
Jan 15th he was a day 2 guy...didnt play any games after that did he...
what changed?
Well per Jim Harbaugh, JJ had the greatest pro day in the history of QB pro days.
So he's got that going for him...which is nice.
Yup
Not on my team thanks
Your team? You paying all the bills?