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Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/17/2024 7:05 pm
with respect to Giants...

I tell you, there may be some 4D chess here.


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ThomasG  
AROCK1000 : 4/17/2024 10:30 pm : link
In comment 16473084 ThomasG said:
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...that JJ is not worthy.
Had he thrown 10 more passes per game and his %#s were the same, would you feel differently?



More volume could help standing and solidifying a day 2 pick. But still would fall short of seeing a dynamic passer at the college level to go high rd 1 with him.


Jan 15th he was a day 2 guy...didnt play any games after that did he...
what changed?



Well per Jim Harbaugh, JJ had the greatest pro day in the history of QB pro days.

So he's got that going for him...which is nice.

On your death bed you will receive total consciousness...
RE: 56goat  
jvm52106 : 4/17/2024 10:35 pm : link
In comment 16473024 Eric from BBI said:
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That's easier said than done.

To move up to three, you have to give up next year's #1 and other picks. Next year's #1 has a good chance to be a top ten pick. And you don't really want Maye thrown to the wolves as a rookie.

If Maye turns out to be stud, it's well worth it.

But if he doesn't, the team won't recover for five years.

Not saying don't do it, but you have to understand the true stakes here.


I think the deal is in placec already. Plus, who cares if the pick is top 10 next year, so is this year's pick. If you get the shot at your QB and Maye is Dabs's type of QB, you take the shot!
I've got a pool. And I have a pond.  
ThomasG : 4/17/2024 10:36 pm : link
The pond will be good for you.
I hope they go get Maye or  
LW_Giants : 4/17/2024 10:36 pm : link
trade down for draft assets in 2025. I like the wide receivers, but with Jones at the helm, I don't think it'll make much of a difference.
 
ryanmkeane : 4/17/2024 10:38 pm : link
Masterclass by Schoen here. If Maye is a no go, they can draft their WR or get an absolute haul from one of these teams that want McCarthy, and possibly STILL get a receiver at that trade down spot.
RE: as I said  
widmerseyebrow : 4/17/2024 10:41 pm : link
In comment 16472936 Eric from BBI said:
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in another thread, I was told a long time ago that the Giants once tried to influence Dallas to take a QB. I don't remember the specific details, but I think it Manziel in the draft where they took Zack Martin. It didn't work. But that doesn't mean teams don't try.


Maybe I'm misremembering but didn't Jerry REALLY want Manziel and his son won out?
RE: I hope they go get Maye or  
ThomasG : 4/17/2024 10:42 pm : link
In comment 16473092 LW_Giants said:
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trade down for draft assets in 2025. I like the wide receivers, but with Jones at the helm, I don't think it'll make much of a difference.


Something in this draft has to be about getting a new QB. Either taking one in Rd1. Or navigating up for one of the Tier 2 guys. Or (as you state) trading down for assets to set yourself up better in 2025 to pick your guy.

Not sure which is the optimum path, but do Something.
RE: RE: Either Schoen's got the JJM smoke bombs working,  
BleedBlue46 : 4/17/2024 10:43 pm : link
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Or he has told everyone to say they aren't going JJM in the building while liking him. We have 2 asshats saying we aren't going JJM. Which either means we still have some legit leaks or Schoen is trying to get JJM to slide to 6.

Hrs definitely doing a great job this year, I love it.



Do you actually believe a player will fall because of what the media says??? You think I GM likes a player and then passes because the media said something about him? Seriously?


I think you misinterpreted what I was saying. I was referring to asshats actually.
RE: JJ day 2 guy  
BleedBlue46 : 4/17/2024 10:45 pm : link
In comment 16473047 AROCK1000 said:
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...that JJ is not worthy.
Had he thrown 10 more passes per game and his %#s were the same, would you feel differently?



More volume could help standing and solidifying a day 2 pick. But still would fall short of seeing a dynamic passer at the college level to go high rd 1 with him.


Jan 15th he was a day 2 guy...didnt play any games after that did he...
what changed?


He was projected from pick 13 to 2nd round then
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If JJ is a day 2 guy  
Scooter185 : 4/17/2024 11:02 pm : link
And all the talk about him going earlier is just hype, the league will see through it just like Malik Willis and no one's going to call looking to trade up

If the hype is real then nyg should take him
Scouts & GMs  
RCPhoenix : 4/18/2024 5:03 am : link
Didn’t necessarily think JJM was a Day 2 guy on Jan 15. JJM would not have declared for the draft if he was being told he was a Day 2 guy.
Why would the Giants select a WR  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 4/18/2024 7:24 am : link
at 6?

I just don't get it. It's like buying a Ferrari with no engine.

Get the QB. Plain and simple. Whether it be Maye or McCarthy. Enough is enough.
RE: Why would the Giants select a WR  
Sean : 4/18/2024 7:46 am : link
In comment 16473149 LawrenceTaylor56 said:
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at 6?

I just don't get it. It's like buying a Ferrari with no engine.

Get the QB. Plain and simple. Whether it be Maye or McCarthy. Enough is enough.

Yep. It's 2018 all over again.
2018 happened because our GM  
UConn4523 : 4/18/2024 7:52 am : link
was either told to do the job with Eli or was stupid enough to think everything was great and couldn’t pass up on a top talent at a low priority position.

It’s very very clear Schoen plans to upgrade QB. We just have no idea how the Giants rank these guys. Not taking a QB at 6 means 3 or 4 players are gone, the trade up package was either too costly, or we have 2nd round or worse grades on whichever QB is left.

I really want to upgrade at QB but not blindly. There’s always round 2 to take whoever is left as well.
 
ryanmkeane : 4/18/2024 7:53 am : link
Sean, you keep referencing 2018.

WR is a different position than RB.
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UberAlias : 4/18/2024 8:23 am : link
In comment 16473154 ryanmkeane said:
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Sean, you keep referencing 2018.

WR is a different position than RB.
Completely different. Just look at the economics of it.
note to Schrager & others  
bc4life : 4/18/2024 8:25 am : link
I long for the time when journalists made it a point to not be part of the story.
RE: 56goat  
Maijay : 4/18/2024 8:29 am : link
In comment 16473024 Eric from BBI said:
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That's easier said than done.

To move up to three, you have to give up next year's #1 and other picks. Next year's #1 has a good chance to be a top ten pick. And you don't really want Maye thrown to the wolves as a rookie.

If Maye turns out to be stud, it's well worth it.

Not saying don't do it, but you have to understand the true stakes here.

But if he doesn't, the team won't recover for five years.
Whether we go QB or WR or trade up giving up the number one year makes me worry. Whomever we draft at one this year I still think the Giants will be picking in the top ten next year. This is a pessimistic view but lets keep the number one in 25
I've felt for while now...  
Ryan : 4/18/2024 9:26 am : link
...that maybe they have some space in their ratings among the top 3 WRs possibly with scheme fit.

One of the exacerbating factors in their awful pass protection is that they haven't really had a boundary WR that wins quickly off the line since OBJ. Hyatt and Slayton both have the top end speed but are bigger downfield threats (and Slayton almost never shows up until we're down a couple scores.....and the timing of his holdout might indicate a guy that knows his targets could plummet) . Even if Golladay wasn't damaged good that we overpaid for it's the same thing - he didn't separate until he was downfield.

That makes me wonder if they might have Odunze scored a little lower since he's not the polished route runner or as crafty off the line and tends to lean on positioning. Thus if QBs go 1/2/3 they're trying to coax someone to jump them for McCarthy. SD is almost surely going WR given they jettisoned both their starters (Harbaugh was also Marvin Harrison Sr's first NFL QB).
His arguements to why AZ would trade with us  
Biteymax22 : 4/18/2024 9:38 am : link
are very similar to things I've said, basically it still guarantees them a blue chip WR.

Also, don't discount the value of the Cowden/Ossenfort relationship. I think it at the very least gets us the opportunity to match a better offer.
RE: His arguements to why AZ would trade with us  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/18/2024 9:41 am : link
In comment 16473313 Biteymax22 said:
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are very similar to things I've said, basically it still guarantees them a blue chip WR.

Also, don't discount the value of the Cowden/Ossenfort relationship. I think it at the very least gets us the opportunity to match a better offer.


Correct on both accounts.
RE: 2018 happened because our GM  
GFAN52 : 4/18/2024 9:49 am : link
In comment 16473153 UConn4523 said:
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was either told to do the job with Eli or was stupid enough to think everything was great and couldn’t pass up on a top talent at a low priority position.

It’s very very clear Schoen plans to upgrade QB. We just have no idea how the Giants rank these guys. Not taking a QB at 6 means 3 or 4 players are gone, the trade up package was either too costly, or we have 2nd round or worse grades on whichever QB is left.

I really want to upgrade at QB but not blindly. There’s always round 2 to take whoever is left as well.


I’d also like to see them come away with a QB in this draft but I wouldn’t be surprised if they don’t and we have to wait until 2025.
RE: I've felt for while now...  
BleedBlue46 : 4/18/2024 11:19 am : link
In comment 16473290 Ryan said:
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...that maybe they have some space in their ratings among the top 3 WRs possibly with scheme fit.

One of the exacerbating factors in their awful pass protection is that they haven't really had a boundary WR that wins quickly off the line since OBJ. Hyatt and Slayton both have the top end speed but are bigger downfield threats (and Slayton almost never shows up until we're down a couple scores.....and the timing of his holdout might indicate a guy that knows his targets could plummet) . Even if Golladay wasn't damaged good that we overpaid for it's the same thing - he didn't separate until he was downfield.

That makes me wonder if they might have Odunze scored a little lower since he's not the polished route runner or as crafty off the line and tends to lean on positioning. Thus if QBs go 1/2/3 they're trying to coax someone to jump them for McCarthy. SD is almost surely going WR given they jettisoned both their starters (Harbaugh was also Marvin Harrison Sr's first NFL QB).


That's not true, Odunze's ability to get a clean release off the line is elite.
Sy’56  
thevett : 4/18/2024 1:06 pm : link
Yesterday’s “Cough Cough “ and Today's comment about Schrager has me wondering if you know a little more than your reveling ?
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