Arizona St teammates pretty much hated the guy. Can't dismiss that.
They didn’t “hate him”, but there was a single report of a few teammates saying something along the lines of “ [daniels] sucks”. Oh this was said after his 19 yr old Arizona teammates learned he was transferring to LSU…..
There were teammates upset that he transferred from ASU. There was never a report before that or a report from LSU that his teammates hated him. The reaction by a handful of teammates being upset he transferred was basically like the reaction to many here when Saqoun signed with Philly.
Either Daniels sees himself in a tight race for the spot and this move by the team only adding to the pressure, or Daniels has been led to believe he's the guy and frustrated at having been put through this after what he's been led to believe.
Either Daniels sees himself in a tight race for the spot and this move by the team only adding to the pressure, or Daniels has been led to believe he's the guy and frustrated at having been put through this after what he's been led to believe.
My guess is the latter.
Based on some digging by people into his agents past likes, it seems like the latter is correct
Jayden they're going to be drafting him at 2 then still brought in the other QBs afterwards.
Truth be told, I'd do the same if I'm the Commanders. There's a really good chance you'll be playing against Maye/McCarthy 2x a year in their own division and you want all the intel you can get.
Daniels and his agent need to shut up, I'm wondering if they got wind that the Commanders are having second thoughts about Jayden after bringing someone else in (McCarthy is rumored to be super impressive on interviews/visits).
I'm not trying to knock the kid at all nor saying he's a bad person or will be a bad QB. Just wasn't personally a fan of his I'm better than you attitude. There are plenty of great QBs with that same attitude including the current QB of our little Brother.
I’d wager more athletes than not have a “better than you” attitude when dealing with the general public. That doesn’t mean his teammates hated him
sports to real life but if I showed up at an interview and was told I have to go hangout with my competition I’d be pissed. I’d also be looking elsewhere even more.
100%. Especially if they weren't aware going in. Bit of a cutthroat move to see how guys respond to awkwardness/discomfort. Interestingly it also runs the risk of blowing up your draft plan a week out. You can't convince me they don't know who it is. Let's assume most speculation is accurate and it's Daniels. What if he reacts so poorly (to a contrived scenario, mind you) that it turns off a portion of your scouts? What if he pulls some wild shit and refuses to play for them?
Like you said there is utility there. But the way they did it, and especially when they did it, wreaks of amateur hour.
I agree with this.
It's a high pressure position and a HUGE decision for the franchise. They are just doing all they can to get all the information they can about how he handles himself.
They can kiss and make up later. Now,their jobs are likely tied to this pick.
Pretty freaking awkward. I had one where they made us all take an IQ test, then a series of interviews, and then a group trip to a bar where I was asked how I thought my IQ test compared to the broader group.
Cry me a fuckin river. What a stupid fuckin thing to be annoyed at.
That wouldn't rub you the wrong way? It's a contrived scenario designed to push buttons and gauge a reaction. It's also a PR move. While you would hope a gunslinger would show up and say "What's up boys, why are *you* here, we all know I'm their Guy" I think it also portras Washington poorly.
I'm fighting for a job, so no it wouldn't bother me. In fact I have been on interviews like that. Is it illegal? No. Is it different? Yes. But different or against the grain doesn't mean it is wrong. They can conduct business how they want. And how is this a PR stunt? Washington isn't putting this news out there. It is Daniels' side complaining about it. If it is Washington saying hey look at me then I agree it is weird. We all know NFL teams do things to see how players react. We had guys take ridiculous tests that meant nothing. We had the Eagles supposedly ask a player about his mom being a lady of the night or some shit. Getting 4 QBs in at once to compete? I'd want to beat the shit out of the others.
Why are you immediately jumping to him crying a river? The guy can be disappointed in Washington while still following through with it and handling himself professionally (seems like that’s the case). Not his fault his opinion leaked and he’s allowed to think it was stupid, I would and seems like everyone else does too.
How come we only heard this from Daniels' camp? What about the other 3? They probably appreciate the opportunity. Daniels sounds like he had the job locked up and didn't. And this may not even be Daniels saying this and just his agent.
How come we only heard this from Daniels' camp? What about the other 3? They probably appreciate the opportunity. Daniels sounds like he had the job locked up and didn't. And this may not even be Daniels saying this and just his agent.
Who knows, but does it matter? Doesn’t change that it’s strange and probably off putting, and all 4 still went through with it. My guess is behind closed doors it was similarly viewed. Why it leaked is anyone’s guess.
How come we only heard this from Daniels' camp? What about the other 3? They probably appreciate the opportunity. Daniels sounds like he had the job locked up and didn't. And this may not even be Daniels saying this and just his agent.
Who knows, but does it matter? Doesn’t change that it’s strange and probably off putting, and all 4 still went through with it. My guess is behind closed doors it was similarly viewed. Why it leaked is anyone’s guess.
Football is about competition so no I dont have the same view as some here. I think it says more about the candidates than it says about the organization.
Either Daniels sees himself in a tight race for the spot and this move by the team only adding to the pressure, or Daniels has been led to believe he's the guy and frustrated at having been put through this after what he's been led to believe.
My guess is the latter.
Based on some digging by people into his agents past likes, it seems like the latter is correct
That would not be my guess. You don't tell someone they are the guy and then publicly do things to contradict the move. I don't think they made Daniels any promises, though maybe he perceived promises were made. And I'm pretty sure going #2 overall is a priority for him, not just because it is a greater achievement and validation and more money, but because Washington is in much better shape than New England.
People shouldn't rule out Maye to Washington. He is a good fit for Kingsbury every bit as much as Daniels is.
How come we only heard this from Daniels' camp? What about the other 3? They probably appreciate the opportunity. Daniels sounds like he had the job locked up and didn't. And this may not even be Daniels saying this and just his agent.
Or none of their agents are dumb enough to get caught on social media liking posts critical of it
KSTP's Darren Wolfson reported on April 4 that the Vikings have faced difficulties scheduling a private meeting with Daniels due to his representation's skepticism that the Vikings can move into the top three picks to draft him.
Either Daniels sees himself in a tight race for the spot and this move by the team only adding to the pressure, or Daniels has been led to believe he's the guy and frustrated at having been put through this after what he's been led to believe.
My guess is the latter.
Based on some digging by people into his agents past likes, it seems like the latter is correct
That would not be my guess. You don't tell someone they are the guy and then publicly do things to contradict the move. I don't think they made Daniels any promises, though maybe he perceived promises were made. And I'm pretty sure going #2 overall is a priority for him, not just because it is a greater achievement and validation and more money, but because Washington is in much better shape than New England.
People shouldn't rule out Maye to Washington. He is a good fit for Kingsbury every bit as much as Daniels is.
Washington is likely going to want their rookie QB to start early in the season, Maye is going to need more development time over Daniels.
Why are you immediately jumping to him crying a river? The guy can be disappointed in Washington while still following through with it and handling himself professionally (seems like that’s the case). Not his fault his opinion leaked and he’s allowed to think it was stupid, I would and seems like everyone else does too.
Again, almost no one reacted to Big Rick's post about Daniels. The guy is on record saying he's a dick.
What do you want us to say? Any guesses how many top QBs are dicks? Any guesses how many times people misinterpret being confident and assertive with being an asshole? Rick could be correct, or it could be nothing. And if he is correct it doesn’t mean he’s a bad kid or won’t be good.
Why are you immediately jumping to him crying a river? The guy can be disappointed in Washington while still following through with it and handling himself professionally (seems like that’s the case). Not his fault his opinion leaked and he’s allowed to think it was stupid, I would and seems like everyone else does too.
Didn't it come from his agent?
Yeah, which is why this is dumb. The agent can be mad for business reasons and Daniels could be annoyed but ultimately unbothered.
Again, almost no one reacted to Big Rick's post about Daniels. The guy is on record saying he's a dick.
Everyone has different experiences but I work with several of his teammates and they couldn’t speak higher of him. Rick also refuted your option of Nabers being a diva, and you don’t react.
Either Daniels sees himself in a tight race for the spot and this move by the team only adding to the pressure, or Daniels has been led to believe he's the guy and frustrated at having been put through this after what he's been led to believe.
My guess is the latter.
Based on some digging by people into his agents past likes, it seems like the latter is correct
That would not be my guess. You don't tell someone they are the guy and then publicly do things to contradict the move. I don't think they made Daniels any promises, though maybe he perceived promises were made. And I'm pretty sure going #2 overall is a priority for him, not just because it is a greater achievement and validation and more money, but because Washington is in much better shape than New England.
People shouldn't rule out Maye to Washington. He is a good fit for Kingsbury every bit as much as Daniels is.
Washington is likely going to want their rookie QB to start early in the season, Maye is going to need more development time over Daniels.
you are probably right about that, but when assessing the QBs they are probably going with the guy who has the highest upside and best chance to be elite, and not the one who is ready earlier. If they have a firm conviction that Maye has the higher ceiling and can be one of the best QBs in the game, and they don't feel the same way about Daniels, then Maye is going #2. A lot of people think Maye is a higher end prospect than Daniels, pretty much every analyst I like with the exception of Waldman, but he doesn't love Daniels either. This thinking might rub off on Washington.
You're all here because you're the best of the best ...
I knew a number of people in and around baseball during his prime, and Derek Jeter was unanimously from day one thought of as a dick.
A handful of people on this site have had interactions with Michael Strahan, who off camera is famously a dick.
Not being a dick is simply not a prerequisite for success in professional sports.
To contrast, after my father passed away from ALS I went to an ALS fundraiser and Strahan couldn’t have been nicer, willing to sign autographs for anyone. Marino on the other hand refused to sign.
Everyone has different experiences day to day, that goes for regular people too.
I knew a number of people in and around baseball during his prime, and Derek Jeter was unanimously from day one thought of as a dick.
A handful of people on this site have had interactions with Michael Strahan, who off camera is famously a dick.
Not being a dick is simply not a prerequisite for success in professional sports.
I spent time with a very successful rock and sports photographer around 2000. He covered sports widely but spent most of his time on the West Coast. He said everybody in the game loved Jeter and everybody disliked ARod, this is before ARod joined the Yanks obviously. And that's coming from opposing clubhouses.
How come we only heard this from Daniels' camp? What about the other 3? They probably appreciate the opportunity. Daniels sounds like he had the job locked up and didn't. And this may not even be Daniels saying this and just his agent.
The other three don’t have an agenda with the Commanders.
Unsurprisingly, depending on the situation people act differently. And I imagine what some perceive as being dickish, wouldn't be viewed that way by others.
And it has very little impact on performance.
There are probably 3 people on the planet that actually like Michael Jordan for instance. What a dick!
If you are ultra competitive and expect your teammates to work as hard as you - no issue, even with a a non GOAT (Rodgers) - being great covers for personality flaws
And being famous must suck. Being a nasty to teammates matters. Being nasty to a douche who thinks he is entitled to interrupt you to take a photo (at a non charity event)- eh. It must get annoying.
Agent may have made this pubic on his own. Prior evaluations would determine how big a deal this is or isn't imv.
Ajr referred to these "reports" wll being based on JD's agent liking a post on Twitter that was critical of the move. Sounds like a bunch of clickbait nonsense to me. WFT is taking Jayden Daniels at 2, end of story.
They didn’t “hate him”, but there was a single report of a few teammates saying something along the lines of “ [daniels] sucks”. Oh this was said after his 19 yr old Arizona teammates learned he was transferring to LSU…..
His LSU teammates loved him.
My guess is the latter.
My guess is the latter.
Based on some digging by people into his agents past likes, it seems like the latter is correct
Need some solid proof of this. Daniels also thanked his ASU teammates in his heisman speech.
Truth be told, I'd do the same if I'm the Commanders. There's a really good chance you'll be playing against Maye/McCarthy 2x a year in their own division and you want all the intel you can get.
Daniels and his agent need to shut up, I'm wondering if they got wind that the Commanders are having second thoughts about Jayden after bringing someone else in (McCarthy is rumored to be super impressive on interviews/visits).
I’d wager more athletes than not have a “better than you” attitude when dealing with the general public. That doesn’t mean his teammates hated him
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sports to real life but if I showed up at an interview and was told I have to go hangout with my competition I’d be pissed. I’d also be looking elsewhere even more.
100%. Especially if they weren't aware going in. Bit of a cutthroat move to see how guys respond to awkwardness/discomfort. Interestingly it also runs the risk of blowing up your draft plan a week out. You can't convince me they don't know who it is. Let's assume most speculation is accurate and it's Daniels. What if he reacts so poorly (to a contrived scenario, mind you) that it turns off a portion of your scouts? What if he pulls some wild shit and refuses to play for them?
Like you said there is utility there. But the way they did it, and especially when they did it, wreaks of amateur hour.
I agree with this.
It's a high pressure position and a HUGE decision for the franchise. They are just doing all they can to get all the information they can about how he handles himself.
They can kiss and make up later. Now,their jobs are likely tied to this pick.
Pretty freaking awkward. I had one where they made us all take an IQ test, then a series of interviews, and then a group trip to a bar where I was asked how I thought my IQ test compared to the broader group.
New Ownership and a 1st time GM. There is a chance they are a mess. No results to prove their ways are effective.
I wouldn't be to excited going to Washington.
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Cry me a fuckin river. What a stupid fuckin thing to be annoyed at.
That wouldn't rub you the wrong way? It's a contrived scenario designed to push buttons and gauge a reaction. It's also a PR move. While you would hope a gunslinger would show up and say "What's up boys, why are *you* here, we all know I'm their Guy" I think it also portras Washington poorly.
I'm fighting for a job, so no it wouldn't bother me. In fact I have been on interviews like that. Is it illegal? No. Is it different? Yes. But different or against the grain doesn't mean it is wrong. They can conduct business how they want. And how is this a PR stunt? Washington isn't putting this news out there. It is Daniels' side complaining about it. If it is Washington saying hey look at me then I agree it is weird. We all know NFL teams do things to see how players react. We had guys take ridiculous tests that meant nothing. We had the Eagles supposedly ask a player about his mom being a lady of the night or some shit. Getting 4 QBs in at once to compete? I'd want to beat the shit out of the others.
Why are you immediately jumping to him crying a river? The guy can be disappointed in Washington while still following through with it and handling himself professionally (seems like that’s the case). Not his fault his opinion leaked and he’s allowed to think it was stupid, I would and seems like everyone else does too.
Not end of the world, Dan Synder type actions...but just strange...
Who knows, but does it matter? Doesn’t change that it’s strange and probably off putting, and all 4 still went through with it. My guess is behind closed doors it was similarly viewed. Why it leaked is anyone’s guess.
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How come we only heard this from Daniels' camp? What about the other 3? They probably appreciate the opportunity. Daniels sounds like he had the job locked up and didn't. And this may not even be Daniels saying this and just his agent.
Who knows, but does it matter? Doesn’t change that it’s strange and probably off putting, and all 4 still went through with it. My guess is behind closed doors it was similarly viewed. Why it leaked is anyone’s guess.
Football is about competition so no I dont have the same view as some here. I think it says more about the candidates than it says about the organization.
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Either Daniels sees himself in a tight race for the spot and this move by the team only adding to the pressure, or Daniels has been led to believe he's the guy and frustrated at having been put through this after what he's been led to believe.
My guess is the latter.
Based on some digging by people into his agents past likes, it seems like the latter is correct
That would not be my guess. You don't tell someone they are the guy and then publicly do things to contradict the move. I don't think they made Daniels any promises, though maybe he perceived promises were made. And I'm pretty sure going #2 overall is a priority for him, not just because it is a greater achievement and validation and more money, but because Washington is in much better shape than New England.
People shouldn't rule out Maye to Washington. He is a good fit for Kingsbury every bit as much as Daniels is.
Or none of their agents are dumb enough to get caught on social media liking posts critical of it
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Either Daniels sees himself in a tight race for the spot and this move by the team only adding to the pressure, or Daniels has been led to believe he's the guy and frustrated at having been put through this after what he's been led to believe.
My guess is the latter.
Based on some digging by people into his agents past likes, it seems like the latter is correct
That would not be my guess. You don't tell someone they are the guy and then publicly do things to contradict the move. I don't think they made Daniels any promises, though maybe he perceived promises were made. And I'm pretty sure going #2 overall is a priority for him, not just because it is a greater achievement and validation and more money, but because Washington is in much better shape than New England.
People shouldn't rule out Maye to Washington. He is a good fit for Kingsbury every bit as much as Daniels is.
Washington is likely going to want their rookie QB to start early in the season, Maye is going to need more development time over Daniels.
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I guess I'm more in the 'cry me a river' camp.
Why are you immediately jumping to him crying a river? The guy can be disappointed in Washington while still following through with it and handling himself professionally (seems like that’s the case). Not his fault his opinion leaked and he’s allowed to think it was stupid, I would and seems like everyone else does too.
Didn't it come from his agent?
What do you want us to say? Any guesses how many top QBs are dicks? Any guesses how many times people misinterpret being confident and assertive with being an asshole? Rick could be correct, or it could be nothing. And if he is correct it doesn’t mean he’s a bad kid or won’t be good.
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I guess I'm more in the 'cry me a river' camp.
Why are you immediately jumping to him crying a river? The guy can be disappointed in Washington while still following through with it and handling himself professionally (seems like that’s the case). Not his fault his opinion leaked and he’s allowed to think it was stupid, I would and seems like everyone else does too.
Didn't it come from his agent?
Yeah, which is why this is dumb. The agent can be mad for business reasons and Daniels could be annoyed but ultimately unbothered.
Everyone has different experiences but I work with several of his teammates and they couldn’t speak higher of him. Rick also refuted your option of Nabers being a diva, and you don’t react.
A handful of people on this site have had interactions with Michael Strahan, who off camera is famously a dick.
Not being a dick is simply not a prerequisite for success in professional sports.
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Either Daniels sees himself in a tight race for the spot and this move by the team only adding to the pressure, or Daniels has been led to believe he's the guy and frustrated at having been put through this after what he's been led to believe.
My guess is the latter.
Based on some digging by people into his agents past likes, it seems like the latter is correct
That would not be my guess. You don't tell someone they are the guy and then publicly do things to contradict the move. I don't think they made Daniels any promises, though maybe he perceived promises were made. And I'm pretty sure going #2 overall is a priority for him, not just because it is a greater achievement and validation and more money, but because Washington is in much better shape than New England.
People shouldn't rule out Maye to Washington. He is a good fit for Kingsbury every bit as much as Daniels is.
Washington is likely going to want their rookie QB to start early in the season, Maye is going to need more development time over Daniels.
you are probably right about that, but when assessing the QBs they are probably going with the guy who has the highest upside and best chance to be elite, and not the one who is ready earlier. If they have a firm conviction that Maye has the higher ceiling and can be one of the best QBs in the game, and they don't feel the same way about Daniels, then Maye is going #2. A lot of people think Maye is a higher end prospect than Daniels, pretty much every analyst I like with the exception of Waldman, but he doesn't love Daniels either. This thinking might rub off on Washington.
I picture this kind of situation at the DC facility. Daniels = Will Smith - ( New Window )
A handful of people on this site have had interactions with Michael Strahan, who off camera is famously a dick.
Not being a dick is simply not a prerequisite for success in professional sports.
To contrast, after my father passed away from ALS I went to an ALS fundraiser and Strahan couldn’t have been nicer, willing to sign autographs for anyone. Marino on the other hand refused to sign.
Everyone has different experiences day to day, that goes for regular people too.
A handful of people on this site have had interactions with Michael Strahan, who off camera is famously a dick.
Not being a dick is simply not a prerequisite for success in professional sports.
I spent time with a very successful rock and sports photographer around 2000. He covered sports widely but spent most of his time on the West Coast. He said everybody in the game loved Jeter and everybody disliked ARod, this is before ARod joined the Yanks obviously. And that's coming from opposing clubhouses.
A handful of people on this site have had interactions with Michael Strahan, who off camera is famously a dick.
Not being a dick is simply not a prerequisite for success in professional sports.
Plenty of athletes are jerks. It doesn’t mean anything.
The other three don’t have an agenda with the Commanders.
And it has very little impact on performance.
There are probably 3 people on the planet that actually like Michael Jordan for instance. What a dick!
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I knew a number of people in and around baseball during his prime, and Derek Jeter was unanimously from day one thought of as a dick.
A handful of people on this site have had interactions with Michael Strahan, who off camera is famously a dick.
Not being a dick is simply not a prerequisite for success in professional sports.
Plenty of athletes are jerks. It doesn’t mean anything.
Complete bullshit. When you're the quarterback and face of the franchise, it matters to not be an asshole.
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I knew a number of people in and around baseball during his prime, and Derek Jeter was unanimously from day one thought of as a dick.
A handful of people on this site have had interactions with Michael Strahan, who off camera is famously a dick.
Not being a dick is simply not a prerequisite for success in professional sports.
Plenty of athletes are jerks. It doesn’t mean anything.
Complete bullshit. When you're the quarterback and face of the franchise, it matters to not be an asshole.
Didn't matter for Rodgers. If I have a chance to add a talent like his with all the idiocy that comes with it, sign me up.
And being famous must suck. Being a nasty to teammates matters. Being nasty to a douche who thinks he is entitled to interrupt you to take a photo (at a non charity event)- eh. It must get annoying.
Counterpoint: what a stupid thing for the Commanders to do.
Ajr referred to these "reports" wll being based on JD's agent liking a post on Twitter that was critical of the move. Sounds like a bunch of clickbait nonsense to me. WFT is taking Jayden Daniels at 2, end of story.
why does he like football, favorite play, some teams go as far as going over
certain plays with a player and asking for their thought process. Family, friends,
previous incidents with law enforcement or grades. Favorite television shows,
games, religion etc…. The team is basically gathering as much info as possible
before making what amounts to a 40,000,000 dollar investment.
From a team stand point, having all four prospects in at the same time for the
2nd overall pick is as counterintuitive as it gets. You can’t tell me that they were
able to gather enough information on each guy as they would like in order to
make a well informed investment. I think Daniels and his agent were smart
enough to recognize that and quite frankly it speaks volumes about the way the
Commanders franchise is being ran.
Being respected and liked is an important quality for a QB imo