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Eliot Wolf: We're open for business

Sean : 4/18/2024 10:25 am
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Chad Graff
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Eliot Wolf on trade talks with the Patriots and the No. 3 pick: “We’re open for business.”
BOOM  
Rjanyg : 4/18/2024 10:26 am : link
Lets go Joe!
 
christian : 4/18/2024 10:27 am : link
Step 1, trade for 3rd pick. Step 2, pick Jayden Daniels.
Now we're talkin!  
UberAlias : 4/18/2024 10:28 am : link
Go get 'em Joe!
 
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/18/2024 10:29 am : link
What does one expect him to say? Unless you’re someone with the initials DG, you say that.
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crooza172 : 4/18/2024 10:29 am : link
In comment 16473429 christian said:
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Step 1, trade for 3rd pick. Step 2, pick Jayden Daniels.


Daniels is going to the Commanders.
That pretty much says  
Dave on the UWS : 4/18/2024 10:30 am : link
Daniels is the QB they want and it’s pretty well known at this point that he’s going #2. So if Schoen REALLY wants Maye, he can get him. With the weight #6 carries, Minn can NOT outbid him.
Eliot Wolf could be standing behind  
M.S. : 4/18/2024 10:30 am : link
a very lonely lemonade stand.
What's he supposed to say  
dd in Mass : 4/18/2024 10:31 am : link
Kraft is calling all the shots this draft. He wants a QB, so if there is a trade there aren't going down more than 1-2 spots.
Things are heating up  
ZogZerg : 4/18/2024 10:32 am : link
!!
Sean Payton ready to give up king's ransom for top QB prospect  
jeff57 : 4/18/2024 10:34 am : link
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RE: Sean Payton ready to give up king's ransom for top QB prospect  
BleedBlue46 : 4/18/2024 10:39 am : link
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I didn't realize Payton was set on Mahomes and failed to trade up to make sure he didn't get jumped. Stupid, I bet he regrets that a lot.
He’s lying  
The_Boss : 4/18/2024 10:39 am : link
All phones will be turned off when they’re on the clock.

….fucking Dave
RE: Sean Payton ready to give up king's ransom for top QB prospect  
Big Rick in FL : 4/18/2024 10:39 am : link
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Consider the source. Tony Pauline is not a good one.
RE: Sean Payton ready to give up king's ransom for top QB prospect  
Sean : 4/18/2024 10:39 am : link
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And what would that be? Giants have more to trade.
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BleedBlue46 : 4/18/2024 10:41 am : link
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And what would that be? Giants have more to trade.


Article says Patrick Surtain, but they want JJM supposedly.
RE: RE: Sean Payton ready to give up king's ransom for top QB prospect  
BleedBlue46 : 4/18/2024 10:42 am : link
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Consider the source. Tony Pauline is not a good one.


It wouldn't be for Maye anyways, not Payton's type of qb
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bw in dc : 4/18/2024 10:43 am : link
In comment 16473435 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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What does one expect him to say? Unless you’re someone with the initials DG, you say that.


Agreed. That would probably be in chapter 2 of the "GM for Dummies" book. If you have a lottery pick let the GM community know you will listen to any and all offers.

Doesn't mean you will execute any deal, but listening is always the right thing to do.
Every  
AcidTest : 4/18/2024 10:44 am : link
GM says they are "open for business." It's just a cliche they repeat every year to avoid saying anything substantive.

Maybe if JJM is on the board at #6, the Giants will trade with Denver.
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Sean : 4/18/2024 10:44 am : link
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“We’re open for business… We have a lot of holes to fill through the draft and we feel the more picks we have the better.”
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Sammo85 : 4/18/2024 10:49 am : link
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“We’re open for business… We have a lot of holes to fill through the draft and we feel the more picks we have the better.”



Sending up the flags to Giants, Vikings, Raiders to make better offers.

But this is legit foundation of hope for us given that he says this publicly.
There have been reports about Wolf wanting to trade  
UberAlias : 4/18/2024 10:55 am : link
Because of how bad the roster is and the number of needs, while Kraft pushing for QB. It's quite possible the GM convinced the owner and what we're seeing now are the doors to the shop opening.
RE: There have been reports about Wolf wanting to trade  
BleedBlue46 : 4/18/2024 11:06 am : link
In comment 16473512 UberAlias said:
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Because of how bad the roster is and the number of needs, while Kraft pushing for QB. It's quite possible the GM convinced the owner and what we're seeing now are the doors to the shop opening.


They can get a haul and a safer QB prospect than Maye. It's a smart move to hedge your bet with extra draft picks vs just selecting a boom or bust QB at 3 (hence why he is rated 5-6 on many respected analysts rankings).

I think the most likely scenario for us in rd1 is trading up for Maye at this point. I pray to the football gods in works. There's a reason NE would do this though.
prettyrickey saying  
mphbullet36 : 4/18/2024 11:10 am : link
@prettyrickey213
As people have been saying, Jayden Daniels will 100% be a Washington Commander. New England will be taking a QB and I don't expect to move out of the pick. Pats will take Drake Maye or JJ McCarthy.

The draft starts at 4. The first three picks will 100% be QBs.
1. Caleb Williams
2. Jayden Daniels
3. Drake Maye or JJMC

sounds like the pats would consider trading down if they were locked into JJM at 6...but that is no sure fire bet since Minnesota and Denver can jump them with a god father offer and then the Pats are left without a QB...
Isn’t this what every GM says  
BillT : 4/18/2024 11:11 am : link
Like we’ve never heard this before from anyone else. Means nothing until it does.
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BleedBlue46 : 4/18/2024 11:14 am : link
In comment 16473540 mphbullet36 said:
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As people have been saying, Jayden Daniels will 100% be a Washington Commander. New England will be taking a QB and I don't expect to move out of the pick. Pats will take Drake Maye or JJ McCarthy.

The draft starts at 4. The first three picks will 100% be QBs.
1. Caleb Williams
2. Jayden Daniels
3. Drake Maye or JJMC

sounds like the pats would consider trading down if they were locked into JJM at 6...but that is no sure fire bet since Minnesota and Denver can jump them with a god father offer and then the Pats are left without a QB...


If they had a deal rdy with AZ to move back up from 6 to 4 prior to moving down with us, then they would make the move. Otherwise if you like JJM, take him at 3. This is what AZ did last year, they traded from 3 to 12 and then back up to 6.
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mphbullet36 : 4/18/2024 11:20 am : link
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@prettyrickey213
As people have been saying, Jayden Daniels will 100% be a Washington Commander. New England will be taking a QB and I don't expect to move out of the pick. Pats will take Drake Maye or JJ McCarthy.

The draft starts at 4. The first three picks will 100% be QBs.
1. Caleb Williams
2. Jayden Daniels
3. Drake Maye or JJMC

sounds like the pats would consider trading down if they were locked into JJM at 6...but that is no sure fire bet since Minnesota and Denver can jump them with a god father offer and then the Pats are left without a QB...



If they had a deal rdy with AZ to move back up from 6 to 4 prior to moving down with us, then they would make the move. Otherwise if you like JJM, take him at 3. This is what AZ did last year, they traded from 3 to 12 and then back up to 6.


yeah in theory this could get all 3 teams what they want

Giants - Maye at 3
Pats - JJM at 4 (with extra asset(s) from Giants)
Cardinals - Either MHjr or Nabers at 6 with asset(s) from Pats
Open for business.. i.e.  
blueblood : 4/18/2024 11:22 am : link
someone come and make us a ridiculous offer and we will move off 3..
Not to be a downer  
Snorkels : 4/18/2024 11:25 am : link
But if you actually go back and listen to Wolf's presser his comment about 'being open for business' is actually very generic in that he added that they could go up or down in just about every round and really doesn't appear to be in any way specific to the 3rd pick. My understanding is that they did have some conversations about moving down 4-6 weeks ago but there really hasn't been much since.
They  
AcidTest : 4/18/2024 11:27 am : link
would be idiots to trade with anyone. The first rule of drafting is that you never trade down if you need a QB and can take one at your pick. Wolf would be fired if he traded the #3 pick to a team that then used it to take a QB who became a franchise QB. There is also no guarantee that they could trade back up to #4 or #5. Again, you don't screw around in that situation. You take the QB. It's that simple.
I've been trying to tell people this  
Big Rick in FL : 4/18/2024 11:28 am : link
A lot of people on here continue to say there's no chance the Pats pass on a QB. When in reality there's a good chance they do. The Giants have 100% had discussions with the Pats about moving to 3.

There are people in NFL front offices and scouting departments that think the Giants & Pats already have a trade agreed to depending on how the draft falls (The rumor I've heard from my friend that works for an NFL team is that the deal is contingent on Caleb Williams & Jayden Daniels getting selected 1 & 2. He doesn't work for either team so he doesn't know that for sure. He said that's what he's heard)
If Joe  
IchabodGiant : 4/18/2024 11:30 am : link
can secure Drake Maye, and then trade for Aiyuk, it would make the upcoming season really exciting.
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Big Rick in FL : 4/18/2024 11:34 am : link
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would be idiots to trade with anyone. The first rule of drafting is that you never trade down if you need a QB and can take one at your pick. Wolf would be fired if he traded the #3 pick to a team that then used it to take a QB who became a franchise QB. There is also no guarantee that they could trade back up to #4 or #5. Again, you don't screw around in that situation. You take the QB. It's that simple.


Yes if you like the QBs that are available you don't trade the pick. That's pretty obvious. Alledgedly they only like 2 of the QBs. So should they stay at 3 and select a QB just to say they took a QB? That'd be dumb.

Not every team is going to love all 4 QBs.
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ZogZerg : 4/18/2024 11:34 am : link
In comment 16473579 Big Rick in FL said:
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A lot of people on here continue to say there's no chance the Pats pass on a QB. When in reality there's a good chance they do. The Giants have 100% had discussions with the Pats about moving to 3.

There are people in NFL front offices and scouting departments that think the Giants & Pats already have a trade agreed to depending on how the draft falls (The rumor I've heard from my friend that works for an NFL team is that the deal is contingent on Caleb Williams & Jayden Daniels getting selected 1 & 2. He doesn't work for either team so he doesn't know that for sure. He said that's what he's heard)


Well, this is almost a lock to happen.
So, we will see if that trade is still an option for Pats. Maybe they fell in love with one of the QBs since you received that news.
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UberAlias : 4/18/2024 11:36 am : link
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Because of how bad the roster is and the number of needs, while Kraft pushing for QB. It's quite possible the GM convinced the owner and what we're seeing now are the doors to the shop opening.



They can get a haul and a safer QB prospect than Maye. It's a smart move to hedge your bet with extra draft picks vs just selecting a boom or bust QB at 3 (hence why he is rated 5-6 on many respected analysts rankings).

I think the most likely scenario for us in rd1 is trading up for Maye at this point. I pray to the football gods in works. There's a reason NE would do this though.


Agreed, but they may need to work a deal with Az to assure themselves JJM. And reports are Az prices is extremly high. In the end though, if that all is the case I do think they'll work it out. It just seems a perfect scenario to give everyone exactly what they want, if our assumptions are right.
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Big Rick in FL : 4/18/2024 11:43 am : link
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A lot of people on here continue to say there's no chance the Pats pass on a QB. When in reality there's a good chance they do. The Giants have 100% had discussions with the Pats about moving to 3.

There are people in NFL front offices and scouting departments that think the Giants & Pats already have a trade agreed to depending on how the draft falls (The rumor I've heard from my friend that works for an NFL team is that the deal is contingent on Caleb Williams & Jayden Daniels getting selected 1 & 2. He doesn't work for either team so he doesn't know that for sure. He said that's what he's heard)



Well, this is almost a lock to happen.
So, we will see if that trade is still an option for Pats. Maybe they fell in love with one of the QBs since you received that news.


It's definitely a possibility they take a QB at 3.

If you do truly love a QB that's going to be available to you it makes no sense to me to be "open for business" There's nothing a team will realistically offer you to consider trading down.
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ryanmkeane : 4/18/2024 12:01 pm : link
If the draft goes Williams, Daniels - there is almost a near certainty that Schoen gets on the phone immediately and tries to get it done for Maye.

The caveat is whether the Patriots like Drake Maye. If they do, they almost have zero reason to trade the pick.
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ryanmkeane : 4/18/2024 12:02 pm : link
What would be incredible luck for the Giants would be if the Patriots take a player not named Drake Maye at 3.

Then, they could easily trade up to 4 without giving much up. Or, even better, wait until 5 if Arizona decides to hold off and just take their favorite receiver.
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GFAN52 : 4/18/2024 12:09 pm : link
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A lot of people on here continue to say there's no chance the Pats pass on a QB. When in reality there's a good chance they do. The Giants have 100% had discussions with the Pats about moving to 3.

There are people in NFL front offices and scouting departments that think the Giants & Pats already have a trade agreed to depending on how the draft falls (The rumor I've heard from my friend that works for an NFL team is that the deal is contingent on Caleb Williams & Jayden Daniels getting selected 1 & 2. He doesn't work for either team so he doesn't know that for sure. He said that's what he's heard)



Well, this is almost a lock to happen.
So, we will see if that trade is still an option for Pats. Maybe they fell in love with one of the QBs since you received that news.



It's definitely a possibility they take a QB at 3.

If you do truly love a QB that's going to be available to you it makes no sense to me to be "open for business" There's nothing a team will realistically offer you to consider trading down.


100% agree. They may listen for an overwhelming deal but why risk missing out on a young QB especially after they traded away Mac Jones. Why get cute when you have the chance at 3.
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BleedBlue46 : 4/18/2024 12:40 pm : link
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What would be incredible luck for the Giants would be if the Patriots take a player not named Drake Maye at 3.

Then, they could easily trade up to 4 without giving much up. Or, even better, wait until 5 if Arizona decides to hold off and just take their favorite receiver.


The Chargers very well could prefer picks 11 and 23 to what we would offer. AZ is a better bet
offer him  
Ron Johnson : 4/18/2024 12:48 pm : link
a bag of donuts, a hot pretzel and a hot dog.
RE: I've been trying to tell people this  
Optimus-NY : 4/18/2024 1:34 pm : link
In comment 16473579 Big Rick in FL said:
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A lot of people on here continue to say there's no chance the Pats pass on a QB. When in reality there's a good chance they do. The Giants have 100% had discussions with the Pats about moving to 3.

There are people in NFL front offices and scouting departments that think the Giants & Pats already have a trade agreed to depending on how the draft falls (The rumor I've heard from my friend that works for an NFL team is that the deal is contingent on Caleb Williams & Jayden Daniels getting selected 1 & 2. He doesn't work for either team so he doesn't know that for sure. He said that's what he's heard)


Caleb and Daniels are gonna go 1-2.
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Optimus-NY : 4/18/2024 1:38 pm : link
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What would be incredible luck for the Giants would be if the Patriots take a player not named Drake Maye at 3.

Then, they could easily trade up to 4 without giving much up. Or, even better, wait until 5 if Arizona decides to hold off and just take their favorite receiver.



The Chargers very well could prefer picks 11 and 23 to what we would offer. AZ is a better bet


Exactly. If there's a deal to be made, it has to be with either New England or Arizona. The Chargers are more likely to deal with the Vikings than the Giants.
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What would be incredible luck for the Giants would be if the Patriots take a player not named Drake Maye at 3.

Then, they could easily trade up to 4 without giving much up. Or, even better, wait until 5 if Arizona decides to hold off and just take their favorite receiver.



The Chargers very well could prefer picks 11 and 23 to what we would offer. AZ is a better bet



Exactly. If there's a deal to be made, it has to be with either New England or Arizona. The Chargers are more likely to deal with the Vikings than the Giants.


why are we acting like thats a gaurantee? if they want nabers or Alt, they cannot trade down to 11... they slide back one pick, still get one of the two and pick up an extra 4th, maybe even a 3rd.

To me, im taking the extra 3rd rounder and falling ONE spot and still getting a blue chipper at a position of need.
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What would be incredible luck for the Giants would be if the Patriots take a player not named Drake Maye at 3.

Then, they could easily trade up to 4 without giving much up. Or, even better, wait until 5 if Arizona decides to hold off and just take their favorite receiver.



The Chargers very well could prefer picks 11 and 23 to what we would offer. AZ is a better bet



Exactly. If there's a deal to be made, it has to be with either New England or Arizona. The Chargers are more likely to deal with the Vikings than the Giants.



why are we acting like thats a gaurantee? if they want nabers or Alt, they cannot trade down to 11... they slide back one pick, still get one of the two and pick up an extra 4th, maybe even a 3rd.

To me, im taking the extra 3rd rounder and falling ONE spot and still getting a blue chipper at a position of need.


Simply because they may value two #1 picks over one premium pick at 6.
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BleedBlue : 4/18/2024 2:40 pm : link
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What would be incredible luck for the Giants would be if the Patriots take a player not named Drake Maye at 3.

Then, they could easily trade up to 4 without giving much up. Or, even better, wait until 5 if Arizona decides to hold off and just take their favorite receiver.



The Chargers very well could prefer picks 11 and 23 to what we would offer. AZ is a better bet



Exactly. If there's a deal to be made, it has to be with either New England or Arizona. The Chargers are more likely to deal with the Vikings than the Giants.



why are we acting like thats a gaurantee? if they want nabers or Alt, they cannot trade down to 11... they slide back one pick, still get one of the two and pick up an extra 4th, maybe even a 3rd.

To me, im taking the extra 3rd rounder and falling ONE spot and still getting a blue chipper at a position of need.



Simply because they may value two #1 picks over one premium pick at 6.


#6 and #70 versus 11 and 23

Sure just glancing, im taking two firsts BUT quality imo is better than quantity...

Nabers and Alt WONT be there at 11 so you have to accept having a massive dropoff in talent based on your board...

not sure id be good with that...
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GFAN52 : 4/18/2024 2:44 pm : link
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What would be incredible luck for the Giants would be if the Patriots take a player not named Drake Maye at 3.

Then, they could easily trade up to 4 without giving much up. Or, even better, wait until 5 if Arizona decides to hold off and just take their favorite receiver.



The Chargers very well could prefer picks 11 and 23 to what we would offer. AZ is a better bet



Exactly. If there's a deal to be made, it has to be with either New England or Arizona. The Chargers are more likely to deal with the Vikings than the Giants.



why are we acting like thats a gaurantee? if they want nabers or Alt, they cannot trade down to 11... they slide back one pick, still get one of the two and pick up an extra 4th, maybe even a 3rd.

To me, im taking the extra 3rd rounder and falling ONE spot and still getting a blue chipper at a position of need.



Simply because they may value two #1 picks over one premium pick at 6.



#6 and #70 versus 11 and 23

Sure just glancing, im taking two firsts BUT quality imo is better than quantity...

Nabers and Alt WONT be there at 11 so you have to accept having a massive dropoff in talent based on your board...

not sure id be good with that...


There have been a few reports that also suggest the Vikings are adding a 2025 pick to it in addition.
During Harbaugh’s tenure with the 49ers  
George from CT : 4/18/2024 2:48 pm : link
First thing he did was draft Crabtree with their 9th pick.
He also has never traded down, besides the fact that they lost their top two receivers this year, I just don’t see them trading down especially with the raiders or broncos.

The cardinals also have a big need at Wr and have a boatload of pics.

Unless they get blown away with offers, it just doesn’t make sense.
Then again I don’t see a team trading away a major haul for JJM
I have heard a number of draft folks state that it's a great year to  
ZogZerg : 4/18/2024 2:52 pm : link
have a top 10 pick.

Who know's if they are right, but if they are, then that may dissuade teams from leaving the top 10.
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GFAN52 : 4/18/2024 2:57 pm : link
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have a top 10 pick.

Who know's if they are right, but if they are, then that may dissuade teams from leaving the top 10.


But it’s also supposed to be a deep draft, so teams with multiple 1st round picks can really help themselves.
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ZogZerg : 4/18/2024 2:59 pm : link
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have a top 10 pick.

Who know's if they are right, but if they are, then that may dissuade teams from leaving the top 10.



But it’s also supposed to be a deep draft, so teams with multiple 1st round picks can really help themselves.


Agree. A team will have to weigh all that.
To me, this draft is binary for the Giants depending on the Pats  
The Mike : 4/18/2024 3:18 pm : link
Assuming the Commanders take Daniels, if the Pats pass on Maye, which BTW would be as dumb a move as I have ever seen, then the Giants simply have to find a way to get Maye. And then probably a guy like Legette with their second pick. If the Pats take Maye, then the Giants should sit tight at six, take one of the three WRs, and try to trade back up into the first to get Penix.
Correct if no trades in top 3  
Carl in CT : 4/18/2024 3:38 pm : link
You at at worst JJM or your second rated receiver.
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