Three teams in play for Aiyuk. Washington offered pick 35 for Aiyuk. Patriots offered pick 34. Giants are also in play. If Aiyuk is traded, expect it to be to NE, WAS or NYG #FTTB #HTTC #Aiyuk #NYGiants #ForeverNE
Our BBI Rickey back on twitter, for now. Not sure Giants match this unless 2025 picks are involved.
they have a high pick and they will likely have a rookie QB they want to give a weapon to as well.
many of those same things apply for WAS however they already have McLaurin and Dotson, so maybe a little less urgent for them.
is Slayton and #47 better than a pick 10-15 slots higher? Would WAS include Dotson or NE include Douglas to give SF a cheap replacement?
my guess is someone offers more for aiyuk than NYG, and my best guess is that ends up NE.
I guess this depends on where Aiyuk wants to go. He can say no to an extension with these teams. Yes, they can tag him after this year but I'm not sure a team wants to go through that. It is possible but I'd think an extension would have to be agreed to in principle before any trade.
Give them Slayton too, since he is holding out anyway
they have a high pick and they will likely have a rookie QB they want to give a weapon to as well.
many of those same things apply for WAS however they already have McLaurin and Dotson, so maybe a little less urgent for them.
is Slayton and #47 better than a pick 10-15 slots higher? Would WAS include Dotson or NE include Douglas to give SF a cheap replacement?
my guess is someone offers more for aiyuk than NYG, and my best guess is that ends up NE.
I guess this depends on where Aiyuk wants to go. He can say no to an extension with these teams. Yes, they can tag him after this year but I'm not sure a team wants to go through that. It is possible but I'd think an extension would have to be agreed to in principle before any trade.
true and a good point, but my guess is he's willing to enthusiastically go to whichever team is willing to pay him the most. usually that team and that team willing to give up the most picks are one in the same (like cle/watson).
I don’t get the ‘Well, you can get WRs in the draft’ mindset. They could be busts. Aiyuk has already shown he can play on this level. I will always take that over the possibility of someone being good.
Aiyuk instead of drafting a cost-controlled receiver. We all know there a lot of good ones in this draft.
A situation where they don't have a pick in the first or second round comes to mind.
Or if you don't forsee pick 47 getting you more than a slot threat. Mhj, nabers, odunze, btj, Mitchell, worthy, Pearsall, Franklin, Mcconkey, leggette, and up to 4 or 5 more will likely be taken before our pick 47.
You are giving up a second round pick and paying someone top 7 wr salary? 1) we don’t have that cap flexibility, 2) we have too many holes, and 3) I am not convinced Aiyuk would be worth that even if 1 and 2 weren’t an issue.
You are giving up a second round pick and paying someone top 7 wr salary? 1) we don’t have that cap flexibility, 2) we have too many holes, and 3) I am not convinced Aiyuk would be worth that even if 1 and 2 weren’t an issue.
Aiyuk instead of drafting a cost-controlled receiver. We all know there a lot of good ones in this draft.
So you can get a top QB and start him off with a top WR. You kinda have to pay for good players at some point and in this scenario the QB would be cheap so who cares about paying for a WR1 entering their prime.
I don’t get the ‘Well, you can get WRs in the draft’ mindset. They could be busts. Aiyuk has already shown he can play on this level. I will always take that over the possibility of someone being good.
It's a valid point that Aiyuk is a proven asset.
However, Team Aiyuk is big game hunting for a massive deal. Which they should. And that means the contract will likely have an AAV of $30M.
To me, that tips this opportunity to a no-go for team with so many needs and a big TBD at QB. Aiyuk is a situation more aligned for a team looking for a final piece.
Thus, I'd rather risk the upside of college WR prospect, cheaper contract and more future cap flexibility.
Slayton would be a terrible fit for SF. They are rhythm and efficient offense without much down the field action. With Slayton's drops and inconsistency he could not be relied upon in that system to make them want him as any piece of a trade. the whole SF system is catch the ball and get extra yards--not Slayton's obvious strengths.
gets this done - they have several high 2s including theirs and the Bears, plus a couple 3s in back pocket.
Plenty of short term cap space, and adding Aiyuk with McLaurin gives a new young QB some veteran reliability.
Their OL situation is abysmal and likely to stay so short term - even if they add one or two in the 2-4th rounds.
And don't forget, Daniels helped Aiyuk become a 1st rd pick after a great 2019 season at asu
Also - don't forget Peters is GM with WSH - was part of braintrust drafting Aiyuk/Deebo/Kittle tandems.
Yep, ever since Aiyuk trade possibility was first mentioned I thought they would get him for Daniels. Smart move, sadly. People hear complaining about Aiyuk not making pro Bowls haha.
The sacrifice for them doing this is that they will surely miss out on OL guys that will turn into great players. Not all of them will, but there are a lot of promising options at the beginning of rd2: Kingsley, Morgan, Barton, just to name a few.
Could Giants offer 25’ first to get up to 3? Then trade #47 and 2025 3rd for Aiyuk?
On one hand, that would leave them with no draft capital. On the other hand, they’d have a franchise QB, franchise LT, WR1…and a CB1 + 2 edge rushers, and Dex anchoring the IDL…so they’d have all of the premium positions addressed.
I think I feel better about Maye + Aiyuk than I do about Nabers + 2025 first + pick 47 + Jones.. Nabers might have more upside, but Aiyuk is a proven commodity and Maye is IMO an elite QB prospect.
I don’t get the ‘Well, you can get WRs in the draft’ mindset. They could be busts. Aiyuk has already shown he can play on this level. I will always take that over the possibility of someone being good.
It's a valid point that Aiyuk is a proven asset.
However, Team Aiyuk is big game hunting for a massive deal. Which they should. And that means the contract will likely have an AAV of $30M.
To me, that tips this opportunity to a no-go for team with so many needs and a big TBD at QB. Aiyuk is a situation more aligned for a team looking for a final piece.
Thus, I'd rather risk the upside of college WR prospect, cheaper contract and more future cap flexibility.
Enjoy playing against the ASU buddies Aiyuk and Jayden Daniels twice a year then. Sure will be fun! :)
Could Giants offer 25’ first to get up to 3? Then trade #47 and 2025 3rd for Aiyuk?
On one hand, that would leave them with no draft capital. On the other hand, they’d have a franchise QB, franchise LT, WR1…and a CB1 + 2 edge rushers, and Dex anchoring the IDL…so they’d have all of the premium positions addressed.
I think I feel better about Maye + Aiyuk than I do about Nabers + 2025 first + pick 47 + Jones.. Nabers might have more upside, but Aiyuk is a proven commodity and Maye is IMO an elite QB prospect.
A promising top qb prospect, not a franchise QB until he proves to be one. I get your point though.
We could get Maye and Aiyuk for pick 6, 47, 2025 1st, 2nd and 3rd or so. Maybe sub KT for one of the picks in trade up for Maye.
but while I think he is the author of most of his own struggles, it is true that the Giants did him few favors with what they put around him (aside from Barkley).
If you bring in a top QB prospect, what better way is there to help him succeed other than two things - build him a decent line and get him a proven weapon at receiver?
College is pumping out a ton of cost controlled WRs, but it will take a you a couple of year to determine if they are the goods or not. Take the money you save on the QB and give him what he needs to succeed by paying extra to remove the uncertainty a rookie WR introduces.
I don’t get the ‘Well, you can get WRs in the draft’ mindset. They could be busts. Aiyuk has already shown he can play on this level. I will always take that over the possibility of someone being good.
Reminds me of people complaining about the Knicks trading picks to clear cap space for Brunson
Aiyuk instead of drafting a cost-controlled receiver. We all know there a lot of good ones in this draft.
Exactly
At pick 47 we are unlikely to have any outside threat receiver options. 10-15 will be gone before out pick. Plus, they are rookies and wouldn't provide the security blanket for a rookie qb.
I've kept feeling like pick 47 and 2025 3rd that would become more would be a sweet spot
many of those same things apply for WAS however they already have McLaurin and Dotson, so maybe a little less urgent for them.
is Slayton and #47 better than a pick 10-15 slots higher? Would WAS include Dotson or NE include Douglas to give SF a cheap replacement?
my guess is someone offers more for aiyuk than NYG, and my best guess is that ends up NE.
I'd imagine they have parameters in place already?
Swap disgruntled WRs, perhaps?
many of those same things apply for WAS however they already have McLaurin and Dotson, so maybe a little less urgent for them.
is Slayton and #47 better than a pick 10-15 slots higher? Would WAS include Dotson or NE include Douglas to give SF a cheap replacement?
my guess is someone offers more for aiyuk than NYG, and my best guess is that ends up NE.
I bet the Commies end up making the best offer to pair Aiyuk with Jayden Daniels again.
many of those same things apply for WAS however they already have McLaurin and Dotson, so maybe a little less urgent for them.
is Slayton and #47 better than a pick 10-15 slots higher? Would WAS include Dotson or NE include Douglas to give SF a cheap replacement?
my guess is someone offers more for aiyuk than NYG, and my best guess is that ends up NE.
I guess this depends on where Aiyuk wants to go. He can say no to an extension with these teams. Yes, they can tag him after this year but I'm not sure a team wants to go through that. It is possible but I'd think an extension would have to be agreed to in principle before any trade.
You add a VET WR when you have a YOUNG QB!
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they have a high pick and they will likely have a rookie QB they want to give a weapon to as well.
many of those same things apply for WAS however they already have McLaurin and Dotson, so maybe a little less urgent for them.
is Slayton and #47 better than a pick 10-15 slots higher? Would WAS include Dotson or NE include Douglas to give SF a cheap replacement?
my guess is someone offers more for aiyuk than NYG, and my best guess is that ends up NE.
I guess this depends on where Aiyuk wants to go. He can say no to an extension with these teams. Yes, they can tag him after this year but I'm not sure a team wants to go through that. It is possible but I'd think an extension would have to be agreed to in principle before any trade.
true and a good point, but my guess is he's willing to enthusiastically go to whichever team is willing to pay him the most. usually that team and that team willing to give up the most picks are one in the same (like cle/watson).
there may be a lot of good ones but there arent going to be a lot of all pros (which aiyuk was last year).
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Aiyuk instead of drafting a cost-controlled receiver. We all know there a lot of good ones in this draft.
A situation where they don't have a pick in the first or second round comes to mind.
Or if you don't forsee pick 47 getting you more than a slot threat. Mhj, nabers, odunze, btj, Mitchell, worthy, Pearsall, Franklin, Mcconkey, leggette, and up to 4 or 5 more will likely be taken before our pick 47.
Plenty of short term cap space, and adding Aiyuk with McLaurin gives a new young QB some veteran reliability.
Their OL situation is abysmal and likely to stay so short term - even if they add one or two in the 2-4th rounds.
100% agree
Plenty of short term cap space, and adding Aiyuk with McLaurin gives a new young QB some veteran reliability.
Their OL situation is abysmal and likely to stay so short term - even if they add one or two in the 2-4th rounds.
And don't forget, Daniels helped Aiyuk become a 1st rd pick after a great 2019 season at asu
Have you watched the Giants lately?
So you can get a top QB and start him off with a top WR. You kinda have to pay for good players at some point and in this scenario the QB would be cheap so who cares about paying for a WR1 entering their prime.
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gets this done - they have several high 2s including theirs and the Bears, plus a couple 3s in back pocket.
Plenty of short term cap space, and adding Aiyuk with McLaurin gives a new young QB some veteran reliability.
Their OL situation is abysmal and likely to stay so short term - even if they add one or two in the 2-4th rounds.
And don't forget, Daniels helped Aiyuk become a 1st rd pick after a great 2019 season at asu
Also - don't forget Peters is GM with WSH - was part of braintrust drafting Aiyuk/Deebo/Kittle tandems.
It's a valid point that Aiyuk is a proven asset.
However, Team Aiyuk is big game hunting for a massive deal. Which they should. And that means the contract will likely have an AAV of $30M.
To me, that tips this opportunity to a no-go for team with so many needs and a big TBD at QB. Aiyuk is a situation more aligned for a team looking for a final piece.
Thus, I'd rather risk the upside of college WR prospect, cheaper contract and more future cap flexibility.
Probably because Aiyuk is most likely a lot better than anything we could get in the 2nd round
Slayton would be a terrible fit for SF. They are rhythm and efficient offense without much down the field action. With Slayton's drops and inconsistency he could not be relied upon in that system to make them want him as any piece of a trade. the whole SF system is catch the ball and get extra yards--not Slayton's obvious strengths.
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gets this done - they have several high 2s including theirs and the Bears, plus a couple 3s in back pocket.
Plenty of short term cap space, and adding Aiyuk with McLaurin gives a new young QB some veteran reliability.
Their OL situation is abysmal and likely to stay so short term - even if they add one or two in the 2-4th rounds.
And don't forget, Daniels helped Aiyuk become a 1st rd pick after a great 2019 season at asu
Also - don't forget Peters is GM with WSH - was part of braintrust drafting Aiyuk/Deebo/Kittle tandems.
Yep, ever since Aiyuk trade possibility was first mentioned I thought they would get him for Daniels. Smart move, sadly. People hear complaining about Aiyuk not making pro Bowls haha.
The sacrifice for them doing this is that they will surely miss out on OL guys that will turn into great players. Not all of them will, but there are a lot of promising options at the beginning of rd2: Kingsley, Morgan, Barton, just to name a few.
Could Giants offer 25’ first to get up to 3? Then trade #47 and 2025 3rd for Aiyuk?
On one hand, that would leave them with no draft capital. On the other hand, they’d have a franchise QB, franchise LT, WR1…and a CB1 + 2 edge rushers, and Dex anchoring the IDL…so they’d have all of the premium positions addressed.
I think I feel better about Maye + Aiyuk than I do about Nabers + 2025 first + pick 47 + Jones.. Nabers might have more upside, but Aiyuk is a proven commodity and Maye is IMO an elite QB prospect.
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I don’t get the ‘Well, you can get WRs in the draft’ mindset. They could be busts. Aiyuk has already shown he can play on this level. I will always take that over the possibility of someone being good.
It's a valid point that Aiyuk is a proven asset.
However, Team Aiyuk is big game hunting for a massive deal. Which they should. And that means the contract will likely have an AAV of $30M.
To me, that tips this opportunity to a no-go for team with so many needs and a big TBD at QB. Aiyuk is a situation more aligned for a team looking for a final piece.
Thus, I'd rather risk the upside of college WR prospect, cheaper contract and more future cap flexibility.
Enjoy playing against the ASU buddies Aiyuk and Jayden Daniels twice a year then. Sure will be fun! :)
Could Giants offer 25’ first to get up to 3? Then trade #47 and 2025 3rd for Aiyuk?
On one hand, that would leave them with no draft capital. On the other hand, they’d have a franchise QB, franchise LT, WR1…and a CB1 + 2 edge rushers, and Dex anchoring the IDL…so they’d have all of the premium positions addressed.
I think I feel better about Maye + Aiyuk than I do about Nabers + 2025 first + pick 47 + Jones.. Nabers might have more upside, but Aiyuk is a proven commodity and Maye is IMO an elite QB prospect.
A promising top qb prospect, not a franchise QB until he proves to be one. I get your point though.
We could get Maye and Aiyuk for pick 6, 47, 2025 1st, 2nd and 3rd or so. Maybe sub KT for one of the picks in trade up for Maye.
If you bring in a top QB prospect, what better way is there to help him succeed other than two things - build him a decent line and get him a proven weapon at receiver?
College is pumping out a ton of cost controlled WRs, but it will take a you a couple of year to determine if they are the goods or not. Take the money you save on the QB and give him what he needs to succeed by paying extra to remove the uncertainty a rookie WR introduces.
Exactly
Reminds me of people complaining about the Knicks trading picks to clear cap space for Brunson
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Aiyuk instead of drafting a cost-controlled receiver. We all know there a lot of good ones in this draft.
Exactly
At pick 47 we are unlikely to have any outside threat receiver options. 10-15 will be gone before out pick. Plus, they are rookies and wouldn't provide the security blanket for a rookie qb.
I know he debunked a number of the alt twitter accounts yesterday
many of those same things apply for WAS however they already have McLaurin and Dotson, so maybe a little less urgent for them.
is Slayton and #47 better than a pick 10-15 slots higher? Would WAS include Dotson or NE include Douglas to give SF a cheap replacement?
my guess is someone offers more for aiyuk than NYG, and my best guess is that ends up NE.
Dotson stinks.
I know he debunked a number of the alt twitter accounts yesterday
He already did. He started a thread this morning on it.
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Confirm or deny the Twitter Rickey?
I know he debunked a number of the alt twitter accounts yesterday
He already did. He started a thread this morning on it.
The one from yesterday? Or is there one from this morning that I'm not seeing?
You’d turn 2 2nds and a 3rd into Burns/Aiyuk, and wash the salary via having a QB on a rookie contract (Jones gets cut next year).
The reality is you’re not getting Aiyuk/Burns level players out of 2 2nds and a 3rd. And I’m someone that LOVES hanging on to picks…