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Where do you think the Giants stand as of now?

robbieballs2003 : 4/18/2024 10:55 am
If I had to give my best educated guess and that is all this is, then I think the Giants want one of Williams, Daniels, or Maye. If they aren't able to get one of them then I think they are seriously thinking of a trade down. If they stay at 6, they have done their homework on the top 3 WR and that is a good option. But the other option would be trading back. If a team makes a nice offer to us, we move back, gain additional picks, and could now be looking at Penix or Nix while also having more picks to go after Aiyuk. So, it is either we are able to get Maye at 4 with a slight trade up or add some risk by trading back but being able to get that next tier of QB and an all-pro WR.

I personally think Schoen has missed more than he has hit and has a lot to prove but he seems to be prepared for many different options which is what he should be doing.

What do you all think? I think trading up to 3 is going to be too rich for us if NE even wants to trade out.
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Mike from Ohio : 4/18/2024 10:58 am : link
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I believe they are interested in JJM  
UConn4523 : 4/18/2024 10:58 am : link
and he’s their backup plan at 6 if they can’t secure a trade up for their top player/s. I don’t think they risk taking Penix at 6 and I don’t see Nix in the cards at 6 either.

WR is option B if they get leapfrogged at 4 or 5 and JJM isn’t there. Trade down I can see as option C but I don’t think it would be that far, they’d need to be in play for a QB still and that’s a huge risk.
I think Maye and McCarthy both fit what they want  
Eric on Li : 4/18/2024 11:00 am : link
either is in play at #6 or a trade up to #4. I dont think NE will pass on QB or trade out of #3.

If they miss on QB I think they will be happy to get a top WR.

If they get a QB I think the Aiyuk rumors make a lot of sense - though I think they will probably get outbid by another team.

I do think the first 2 picks are very likely to result in some combination of QB/WR.
I also forgot to add this.  
robbieballs2003 : 4/18/2024 11:01 am : link
Schoes seems to be much more willing to trade picks when he has additional picks like Waller with the 3rd round comp pick from the Toney trade and trading for Burns when we had an additional pick from the Leonard Williams trade. If he is serious about Aiyuk, I think that signals him possibly obtaining more picks.
 
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/18/2024 11:03 am : link
Move up to 3 and snag Drake.
I think as of right now  
TrueBlue56 : 4/18/2024 11:04 am : link
All options are on the table. Schoen has already had discussions with the patriots, cardinals and Chargers to surmise cost of a trade up. It depends on what Washington does.

Schoen also has a plan in case they can't get one of the targeted quarterbacks. Possibly trading down if they can get a great offer, but prepared to select a player at 6 (most likely wide receiver) if they don't like what is offered.

Schoen does very well to keep all of his options open, so he isn't surprised by anything that happens on draft day.
No trade up  
Rudy5757 : 4/18/2024 11:06 am : link
No trade back further than 11. I think Minnesota might trade up to get a QB and if we can secure that #23 as well we might be able to get either one of the 3 Wrs at 11 still or the 4th WR in Thomas and get a QB at 23 (Nix) or a CB.

If we stay at 6 it’s Harrison, Nabers, Odunze
RE: …  
robbieballs2003 : 4/18/2024 11:06 am : link
In comment 16473526 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Move up to 3 and snag Drake.


There's little doubt in my mind they like Maye. What I am saying is what do you think their plan is? Theybhave no control about trading up so what is the plan if they can't?
Hard to see them getting a top 3 QB.  
BillT : 4/18/2024 11:08 am : link
So, if they get Aiyuk then a trade down makes sense. Otherwise, a top 3 WR makes more sense than a trade down.
robbie.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/18/2024 11:11 am : link
If they can’t get a QB, I think they stay at 6 for a WR.
I think they stay put at 6  
gameday555 : 4/18/2024 11:12 am : link
Have a feeling the sticker shock of what it would take to move up will dissuade them. They take a WR at 6 and then start hoping Penix falls. But realistically they stay put in 2nd as well, take a Rattler in 3rd or someone else day 3.
I think they are going to stick with Jones  
blueblood : 4/18/2024 11:15 am : link
and get some weapons and circle back to get a QB later in the draft.
The Giants have many holes to fill, there is no gurantee that whom  
Jack Stroud : 4/18/2024 11:19 am : link
ever they draft will be able to perform at this level. IMHO the only positions the Giants are set at is LT, C, and QB, they could stand up grades, until proven other wise, at all other positions.
hmm  
RCPhoenix : 4/18/2024 11:23 am : link
I think their #1 outcome  
UberAlias : 4/18/2024 11:29 am : link
Is to get Drake Maye, but given where we stand may not work out. Yes, some teams are put off by the issues, but I suspect they think they can fix that and given his age, physical tools, and flashes he has shown, see him as a perfect prospect to develop.

But the price to move up could be massive and we do have a lot of needs. You also have to contrast all of that with the fact that by staying put they are guaranteed to get a blue chip player in position of need. So that all complicates the outcome.

I am less sure how they feel about JJM or Nix/Penix. They could love these guys or not see them as answers.
I am guessing this  
Mike from Ohio : 4/18/2024 11:42 am : link
A) Trade up to #3 to get Drake Maye

b) Trade up to #4 to get Drake Maye if he slips

c) Sit at #6 and take JJM.

I don't advocate for #3, but I think the Giants will do that if Maye if off the board and JJM is there at #6.
As to your OP  
AROCK1000 : 4/18/2024 11:43 am : link
I agree 100%.
The only thing I would add is I am pounding the table for 2 trade backs if the correct offers come in.
Minn at 11
Den at 12
LV at 13
All 3 will be knocking on our door when our pick is on the clock.
If Schoen plays his card right we could trade there...
Lets say we do and a player that Pitt wants later in the draft is still on the board,I am all for trading back again a 2nd time...asumming the offer makes sense that 2nd time
Not opposed necesarily to trading back  
Mike from Ohio : 4/18/2024 11:47 am : link
but not just because we have so many holes to fill. Giving up top prospects for a greater number of decent prospects doesn't fill me with confidence.

We need someone on the offensive side of the ball (other than our LT) who is elite. Who can worry defenders and DCs. Right now we don't have anyone on the roster who you need to take away. We are an easy to team to scheme right now.
we are in a 2 yr rebuild right now  
AROCK1000 : 4/18/2024 11:50 am : link
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Maye or McCarthy, probably  
Go Terps : 4/18/2024 11:52 am : link
If not, Nabers.
RE: we are in a 2 yr rebuild right now  
Mike from Ohio : 4/18/2024 11:57 am : link
In comment 16473634 AROCK1000 said:
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I doubt Joe Schoen would agree with that. They are trying to compete in 2024. I doubt the plan is to collect 2nd and 3rd round picks.
Stay pat and take best available at six  
The Mike : 4/18/2024 11:58 am : link
Likely it would be Daniels, Maye, Nabers or Odunze. I would steer clear of reaching for players like JJM or trading back, unless the trade back is over the top generous in terms of draft value and must include a 2025 first.

Aiyuk would only make sense if Daniels/Maye is drafted at six, but Legette to me is the better value proposition for this team with the second pick given that this is the launch of the post DJ Era rebuild. If it is Nabers or Odunze at six, then I would move mountains to trade up to get Penix.
RE: I also forgot to add this.  
upnyg : 4/18/2024 12:16 pm : link
In comment 16473524 robbieballs2003 said:
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Schoes seems to be much more willing to trade picks when he has additional picks like Waller with the 3rd round comp pick from the Toney trade and trading for Burns when we had an additional pick from the Leonard Williams trade. If he is serious about Aiyuk, I think that signals him possibly obtaining more picks.
That might be what they do if they trade with the Vikings at 11 and 23.
I think  
Gman11 : 4/18/2024 12:33 pm : link
they'll stay at 6 and get the WR if a QB that they want has already been taken.
If they like a QB a lot  
giantstock : 4/18/2024 12:39 pm : link
Don't play around too much.

I can't understand why the giants aren't in a super position because 6/7 picks are above the rest. Even if 4 QB's go, the WR group is so outstanding I can't believe there isn't a way to minimally trade back while being ahead of the other teams to get the QB.

If they only think that Penix and Nix are "decent only" such as believing either of these guys is a 2nd rd pick, then you don't hold high value with them but "decent value" instead.

Waiving that WR or even OT chip in front of teams at the 6 pick should be able to warrant a small trade back while ensuring you can get the QB Penix or Nix if you like them.

I see on here at times some say if Vikes stand pat at 11 or Denver at 12 they can potentially get Penix and/or Nix. If this is considered an acceptable alternative for them then it shouldn't be too bad if the Giants trade back to 9 or 10 and get either if they like them a lot rather than getting so fixated on "value."
RE: Stay pat and take best available at six  
giantstock : 4/18/2024 12:43 pm : link
In comment 16473652 The Mike said:
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Likely it would be Daniels, Maye, Nabers or Odunze. I would steer clear of reaching for players like JJM or trading back, unless the trade back is over the top generous in terms of draft value and must include a 2025 first.

Aiyuk would only make sense if Daniels/Maye is drafted at six, but Legette to me is the better value proposition for this team with the second pick given that this is the launch of the post DJ Era rebuild. If it is Nabers or Odunze at six, then I would move mountains to trade up to get Penix.


+1 for trade up too for Penix (or Nix) after they get the 6 pick WR if they like either a lot.
If no QB and the WR they want is gone  
bc4life : 4/18/2024 1:27 pm : link
trade back not too far and also pick up a 2nd and 3rd.


There are some really good SBs, edge rushers and talented wrs.
RE: we are in a 2 yr rebuild right now  
IchabodGiant : 4/18/2024 1:53 pm : link
In comment 16473634 AROCK1000 said:
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Find the right QB and the rebuild is over. Time to go championship hunting. Plenty of dudes in this draft that could become that franchise guy, no guarantee, obviously. But I think we have to take that swing.
RE: Maye or McCarthy, probably  
Maijay : 4/18/2024 7:19 pm : link
In comment 16473641 Go Terps said:
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If not, Nabers.

Best scenario Maye falls to six which is highly unlikely
Very good scenario JJM falls to six probably unlikely
Good scenario Nabers or Odunze at six
Reluctant scenario give up next years one to land Maye or JJM plus this years six and a late round pick
If Schoen gives up next years one for Maye and he flops he might become an ex GM
If Schoen gives up next years one for JJM and he is a disaster Schoen and Daboll will be shown the door
I just don't believe any of these two qbs are worth the risk because sad to say even with either of them I think we will be picking in the top ten next year. The price is too rich for me.
They have a lot of options.  
Torn Tendon : 4/18/2024 7:40 pm : link
Looking at the teams they'll be playing next season, I expect they will be picking in the top 10 of the 2025 draft.
I’m starting to think that the top 5 teams  
Strahan91 : 4/18/2024 7:50 pm : link
will all stand pat with LAC taking a WR after seeing Hortiz’s press conference today. In that case, it probably comes down to a decision between JJ which of Odunze/Nabers are left on the board.
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