Charlie Weiss on Bo Nix

I think the criticism of his time at Auburn is overblown. But I'd nonetheless still be stunned if the Giants took him at #6.

But if he’ll be as good or better than guys like Caleb, JD, Drake…not so sure about that

I don't think there is any chance he gets to the 2nd round.

He is being underrated by many.

Eric, you seem to be leaning toward the Giants trying to get somebody ( Vikings ) to move up to 6, NYG would get the 2 first rounders and a pick next year.

NYG then could draft Nix, Brian Thomas Jr. and keep the rest of their picks, this year and next.

Am I warm with this assumption?

Has been overconfident on Nix/Penix being there at 47.

I see Nix to the Broncos as very real and if they pass, a team like LA can grab him to start developing behind Stafford.

Penix to the Raiders just feels right, though the OC has a west coast background, I can see Davis being enamored by the idea of a high flying deep passsing attack ran by Penix.

Bowers on a trade down, and Nix on a trade up.

In comment 16473587 Rjanyg said:

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He is being underrated by many. Eric, you seem to be leaning toward the Giants trying to get somebody ( Vikings ) to move up to 6, NYG would get the 2 first rounders and a pick next year. NYG then could draft Nix, Brian Thomas Jr. and keep the rest of their picks, this year and next. Am I warm with this assumption?

I wish the darn podcast was up! Yeah, I covered this in detail on there. If they can't trade up for the QB they want, the odds are they stay put and take the WR. However, if someone comes to me with a really good deal, I trade down.

In a nutshell, I firmly believe the Giants need a QB this year or next. In order to do that, they most likely have to maneuver up or down.

I also have a different take on the team needs than most. I think the Giants are one really good 3-technique defensive tackle away from having an elite front.

... the Giants are higher on Nix than anyone realizes. I just don't think he will be available at 47, and not sure if our draft positions align with where they would want to take him.

In comment 16473587 Rjanyg said:

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He is being underrated by many. Eric, you seem to be leaning toward the Giants trying to get somebody ( Vikings ) to move up to 6, NYG would get the 2 first rounders and a pick next year. NYG then could draft Nix, Brian Thomas Jr. and keep the rest of their picks, this year and next. Am I warm with this assumption?

In this scenario, the Giants end up with both a 2nd tier QB and 2nd tier WR … who both could turn out to be as good as some of the so-called 1st tier. But why wouldn’t the Vikes just sit tight and do the same?

I'm kinda hoping we trade down in Round One. Get additional picks to fill holes in the roster, plus take a good QB around #20 or so.

(assuming Denver takes Penix at 12, which is dangerous of course)

In comment 16473587 Rjanyg said:

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He is being underrated by many. Eric, you seem to be leaning toward the Giants trying to get somebody ( Vikings ) to move up to 6, NYG would get the 2 first rounders and a pick next year. NYG then could draft Nix, Brian Thomas Jr. and keep the rest of their picks, this year and next. Am I warm with this assumption?

Nix and Thomas would be a good haul for day 1 of the draft.

In comment 16473596 christian said:

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Bowers on a trade down, and Nix on a trade up.

I am ok with Nix. Bowers is a remote thrower. PJ had a great post yesterday on the Sy thread about how no TE picked in the first round since Mike Ditka has amounted to anything.

Bowers is a different player - and very good - but the positional value is not there for a team with gaping holes at critical positions.

We get #11 and #23, pick a top WR and Nix (in some order)

I thought he was a 1st rounder after seeing him a few games. Solid arm, quick decision maker/release, athletic and gritty.

I don't see elite but with enough of a team around him (and it doesn't have to be great) you can win a lot of games with him
with the right coaching/scheme imv.

In comment 16473663 PatersonPlank said:

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We get #11 and #23, pick a top WR and Nix (in some order)

Think that works if we can get one of the QBs and a decent WR as well, otherwise stay at 6 and get a top 3 WR in the draft.

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In comment 16473599 Johnny5 said:

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... the Giants are higher on Nix than anyone realizes. I just don't think he will be available at 47, and not sure if our draft positions align with where they would want to take him.

Trade up then…

with a trade down is what happens if someone takes him before your pick? Then, you've lost out on the QB and one of the top 3 WRs.

In comment 16473692 5BowlsSoon said:

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In comment 16473599 Johnny5 said: Quote: ... the Giants are higher on Nix than anyone realizes. I just don't think he will be available at 47, and not sure if our draft positions align with where they would want to take him. Trade up then…

Of course, maybe... my point is we don't know how much they actually value him and where that trade would actually put them (and what spot is he worth). The unknowns are really making this draft interesting. I think the Giants have their board set and will let the draft come to them, make decisions/adjustments as the draft unfolds.

Every day someone posts something someone connected to the league (often some has been or an entertainment scout) says that is contrary to prevailing wisdom, which is intentional on their part of course, and people are so eager to agree…if you think Charlie Weis is grinding tape and has done a full scouting report on all the QB’s then go for it. I tend to find that highly unlikely, and will believe those who actually scout players, and they tend to agree on Nix. Obviously they could all be wrong, that’s inherent in the process, but I’ll take an educated opinion over the attention seeking contrarian takes that are so prevalent this time of the year.

In comment 16473691 Ira said:

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Id like it!

I don't see it. Just seems like a mismatch.

Here's his summary bio -

2023 William V. Campbell Trophy winner (it is awarded by the National Football Foundation to the American college football player with the best combination of academics, community service, and on-field performance; Associated Press Pac-12 Offensive Player of the Year; Sports Illustrated All-America second team

His full bio -

[url]https://goducks.com/sports/football/roster/bo-nix/16140[/ur]

I want a guy who is an athlete , yes, but at the pro level, I want a guy who can THINK. That's what made Tom Brady the GOAT.

Got all excited. Here's the link -

https://goducks.com/sports/football/roster/bo-nix/11083

He'd fit perfectly in Denver running Sean Payton's offense.

Arrange a reasonable trade to grab Nix if he is there at the bottom 3rd of Round 1. I'd be open to using one of our 2025 draft picks as capital.

Just my take with Nix. I suspect that he will be drafted by Denver otherwise.

In comment 16473921 Optimus-NY said:

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He'd fit perfectly in Denver running Sean Payton's offense.

Trading with Minnesota, you can get pick 11 and 23.

Nix at 11. Get your WR with pick 23, maybe Thomas will be there, or McConkey or AD Mitchell.

We have to keep in mind that what all the draft guides, podcasters and talking heads start getting fixated that a player isn't worth this pick or this player was overdrafted.

How much in reality separates Maye from Nix or McCarthy from Maye?

How much separates Thomas from Nabers?

If you can get a QB and WR that you really like as opposed to getting just 1 of them, make it happen.

is a high wire act. WTFK if that is at all transferrable to playing football on Sundays.

Nix, who has grown on me, played in college for a long, long time. So, he got comfortable with the speed, and things clearly slowed down. That's probably what's being mistaken for the "it" factor.

The good news is Nix is a more talented version of Jones. But like the Jones draft, where is the best spot to get the right value?

Team to Draft Bo Nix

Denver Broncos

2/3

(-150)

Minnesota Vikings

9/2

(+450)

Las Vegas Raiders

6/1

New York Giants

7/1

New Orleans Saints

18/1

New England Patriots

20/1

Los Angeles Rams

22/1

Seattle Seahawks

22/1

Tampa Bay Buccaneers

40/1

Atlanta Falcons

50/1

Dallas Cowboys

50/1

New York Jets

50/1

Tennessee Titans

50/1

Washington Commanders

50/1

Detroit Lions

66/1

Miami Dolphins

66/1

Arizona Cardinals

80/1

Chicago Bears

80/1

Philadelphia Eagles

80/1

Pittsburgh Steelers

80/1

San Francisco 49ers

80/1

Baltimore Ravens

100/1

Buffalo Bills

100/1

Carolina Panthers

100/1

Cincinnati Bengals

100/1

Cleveland Browns

100/1

Green Bay Packers

100/1

Indianapolis Colts

100/1

Jacksonville Jaguars

100/1

Kansas City Chiefs

100/1

Los Angeles Chargers

100/1

Houston Texans

150/1

Team to Draft Michael Penix Jr.

Las Vegas Raiders

13/4

(+325)

Minnesota Vikings

17/4

(+425)

Denver Broncos

5/1

Seattle Seahawks

7/1

New York Giants

8/1

New England Patriots

9/1

Los Angeles Rams

14/1

New Orleans Saints

16/1

Miami Dolphins

20/1

Atlanta Falcons

25/1

Dallas Cowboys

33/1

Tampa Bay Buccaneers

40/1

Tennessee Titans

40/1

Detroit Lions

50/1

Washington Commanders

50/1

Arizona Cardinals

66/1

New York Jets

66/1

Pittsburgh Steelers

66/1

Carolina Panthers

80/1

Chicago Bears

80/1

Los Angeles Chargers

80/1

Philadelphia Eagles

80/1

Baltimore Ravens

100/1

Buffalo Bills

100/1

But from all I have read the arm strength isn’t there. This is the NFL boys. We need someone who can sling it. So wouldn’t be my first choice.

Initial concern was arm strengthen but now I’ve read and Eric pointed out that is arm is not an issue. It’s not Josh Allen but more than sufficient

In comment 16474135 Giant John said:

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But from all I have read the arm strength isn’t there. This is the NFL boys. We need someone who can sling it. So wouldn’t be my first choice.

Then read the scouting reports.

Past 6 months

I think Bo Nix will be the best QB in this draft

In comment 16474135 Giant John said:

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But from all I have read the arm strength isn’t there. This is the NFL boys. We need someone who can sling it. So wouldn’t be my first choice.

I'll help you out with Sy's opinion.

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The physical traits are more than good enough to make everything happen on the field a quarterback needs to make happen.

I wouldn't want him until rd3 personally.

do realize this is likely BS designed to inflate Nix's worth so someone trades up and gets him, right?

In comment 16474416 BigBlueCane said:

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do realize this is likely BS designed to inflate Nix's worth so someone trades up and gets him, right?

Charlie Weiss has been pontificating about Nix for a while now, I don't agree with him. This isn't Nix's agent though.

In comment 16474413 BleedBlue46 said:

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I wouldn't want him until rd3 personally.

Joe Montana was drafted in the third round for the very same reason.

effective, but personally, I don’t see it with him. Arm strength is just average, and his accuracy dipped on the few deep balls he threw. I think Denver makes a lot of sense for him.