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LW_Giants : 4/18/2024 4:31 pm
It sounds like one or both of Vikings/Broncos will be jumping the Giants for quarterbacks. Haven't seen it mentioned, but maybe we could make a deal with one of them if NE (or one of Vikings/Broncos) takes Maye and JJM is there at 6?

I'd prefer to take JJM if he's there, but I could see Schoen wanting to trade down in that scenario.

Not sure what to believe right now (kudos to Schoen), but it does seem like indications are that the Giants will stay put and take a receiver or trade down. The rumors of them moving up seem to have died down.

Who is your ideal team for a trade down? And what would you want?
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ryanmkeane : 4/18/2024 4:33 pm : link
If Patriots take Maye, I believe the Giants will be in a pretty advantageous position.

Sit tight and take the next Larry Fitzgerald, or get an absolute haul of picks.
LW_Giants  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/18/2024 4:34 pm : link
You are asking questions that can't be answered by fans on a fan website.

You listen to the offers and react.

If the offer is underwhelming, you stand pat and take the WR.

If they offer you a tremendous deal, you trade down, and possibly maneuver for Penix or Nix.

Or you acquire draft capital to move up in 2025.
RE: LW_Giants  
LW_Giants : 4/18/2024 4:37 pm : link
In comment 16474217 Eric from BBI said:
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You are asking questions that can't be answered by fans on a fan website.

You listen to the offers and react.

If the offer is underwhelming, you stand pat and take the WR.

If they offer you a tremendous deal, you trade down, and possibly maneuver for Penix or Nix.

Or you acquire draft capital to move up in 2025.


Well, yes, you are correct that fans can't decide that lol. I was just trying to spur a discussion. I'll delete if you don't think it's one worth having.
for example  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/18/2024 4:37 pm : link
say McCarthy is there at #6 and the Giants are not sold on him.

If the Broncos did offer the Giants #12, next year's #1, and Surtain, you take that offer.
Clearly  
OBJ_AllDay : 4/18/2024 4:38 pm : link
the Giants attempted to position themselves for a qb but did not value any of the prospects in a mortgage the entire draft or next years draft extent. In that case I'm cool with staying put. I would however be disappointed in them in a trade down scenario when you have pretty much sure things at wr staring you in your face
if that pans out  
santacruzom : 4/18/2024 4:39 pm : link
I suppose the Giants would take one of the top tier receivers who'd be available and then try to address QB later, either in round 2 or via an attempt to trade up into round 1. If that doesn't happen they can always take a QB next year with their likely-to-be-top-5 pick.
I think every team from 9 to 14 will want to trade up  
robbieballs2003 : 4/18/2024 4:39 pm : link
and not necessarily for a QB. The Bears want to get a top e WR to pair with Williams. The Jets may want to get ahead of Tennessee for an OL. You have the 4 other teams that needs a QB.
I get the Vikings, they’ve got good draft assets,  
Section331 : 4/18/2024 4:40 pm : link
but how the hell are the Broncos jumping the Giants? I don’t see any scenario where they could accumulate the draft assets to make that big a move.
Based on today's  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/18/2024 4:41 pm : link
press conference, I'm more convinced Schoen is strongly considering trading down.
I really don't see Denver moving up to the top 5. Going from 12  
Strahan91 : 4/18/2024 4:41 pm : link
to 3-5 without a 2nd round pick will be very difficult and I don't see them trying with one of the weakest rosters in the league right now. I think they'll sit at 12 and be very happy to select Nix.
RE: for example  
Mike from Ohio : 4/18/2024 4:41 pm : link
In comment 16474225 Eric from BBI said:
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say McCarthy is there at #6 and the Giants are not sold on him.

If the Broncos did offer the Giants #12, next year's #1, and Surtain, you take that offer.


If that deal from the Broncos were real you take that in a heartbeat.
RE: Based on today's  
Strahan91 : 4/18/2024 4:42 pm : link
In comment 16474234 Eric from BBI said:
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press conference, I'm more convinced Schoen is strongly considering trading down.

You also have to keep in mind though, it's entirely possible that is exactly what he wants other teams trying to jump the Giants to think
I suspect that Schoen & Co  
logman : 4/18/2024 4:42 pm : link
will have gamed out dozens of plausible scenarios before they have to make a move.

If you listen to Schoen today  
UberAlias : 4/18/2024 4:42 pm : link
And I honestly don't think he's lying here, but I think all three options are on the table, pending how things play out. We could trade up, we could stay put, or we could move back. He admitted to being surprised in a few teams behind us calling him. But like he said, I don't think in most cases teams tell you the specific player. You lose leverage that way. I'm sure it happens in situations, but probably rare.
RE: for example  
RHPeel : 4/18/2024 4:43 pm : link
In comment 16474225 Eric from BBI said:
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say McCarthy is there at #6 and the Giants are not sold on him.

If the Broncos did offer the Giants #12, next year's #1, and Surtain, you take that offer.


100% this. If you don't absolutely love McCarthy and that's the offer, take it and don't look back. (Then I would try to swing back up and snag Odunze at 8, but that's just me.)
RE: Based on today's  
robbieballs2003 : 4/18/2024 4:43 pm : link
In comment 16474234 Eric from BBI said:
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press conference, I'm more convinced Schoen is strongly considering trading down.


I agree. One, if he is telling the truth then he gave a lot of details into that and he isn't just saying it to say it. Two, if he isn't telling the truth then he's trying to create a market for the pick.
They can't  
Pete in MD : 4/18/2024 4:43 pm : link
reach for a QB again.
RE: Based on today's  
LW_Giants : 4/18/2024 4:44 pm : link
In comment 16474234 Eric from BBI said:
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press conference, I'm more convinced Schoen is strongly considering trading down.


I've been saying for awhile that if they can't move up, they should move down. This is a pretty deep draft and taking a WR in our current state doesn't make a ton of sense. Collect assets for next year when we'll need to make a move for a QB and continue building the lines in the meantime.
RE: They can't  
BigBlueShock : 4/18/2024 4:46 pm : link
In comment 16474246 Pete in MD said:
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reach for a QB again.

Your idea of a “reach” is possibly not remotely close to what the Giants may or may not consider a reach. You have less than zero idea of how the Giants feel about the QBs and where they think they should go
RE: RE: Based on today's  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/18/2024 4:47 pm : link
In comment 16474237 Strahan91 said:
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In comment 16474234 Eric from BBI said:


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press conference, I'm more convinced Schoen is strongly considering trading down.


You also have to keep in mind though, it's entirely possible that is exactly what he wants other teams trying to jump the Giants to think


I've taken that into account (see my post in the pinned thread above about the presser).
RE: Based on today's  
UberAlias : 4/18/2024 4:47 pm : link
In comment 16474234 Eric from BBI said:
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press conference, I'm more convinced Schoen is strongly considering trading down.


I agree, me too. It's that, but it's also the desperation of teams behind us. I get the sense they are in throw the charts out the window mode to get their hands on one of these guys.
Just take  
Spider43 : 4/18/2024 4:47 pm : link
Odunze at #6. There's no way he lasts past da Bears at 9, or, GASP, the Jets at 10. I see a Jerry Rice-type career for him, with us.
RE: Just take  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/18/2024 4:50 pm : link
In comment 16474256 Spider43 said:
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Odunze at #6. There's no way he lasts past da Bears at 9, or, GASP, the Jets at 10. I see a Jerry Rice-type career for him, with us.


Joe Schoen:
“We’re not one or two players away.”
RE: RE: Based on today's  
Optimus-NY : 4/18/2024 4:51 pm : link
In comment 16474237 Strahan91 said:
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In comment 16474234 Eric from BBI said:


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press conference, I'm more convinced Schoen is strongly considering trading down.


You also have to keep in mind though, it's entirely possible that is exactly what he wants other teams trying to jump the Giants to think


+1
RE: Based on today's  
jvm52106 : 4/18/2024 4:51 pm : link
In comment 16474234 Eric from BBI said:
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press conference, I'm more convinced Schoen is strongly considering trading down.


I was thinking the sane thing. In fact, one reason to mention all the action at 6 already is to drive up the cost- create competition..

I still think we are locked in on Maye but no way of knowing if he will bevthere for them.
Main reason I don't think a trade down is likely is that  
Strahan91 : 4/18/2024 4:55 pm : link
if you look at their top 30 visits there aren't many guys projected to go mid to late 1st round
RE: Main reason I don't think a trade down is likely is that  
robbieballs2003 : 4/18/2024 4:58 pm : link
In comment 16474268 Strahan91 said:
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if you look at their top 30 visits there aren't many guys projected to go mid to late 1st round


I disagree. There are a bunch.

Penix
Nix
Sinnot
Turner
Robinson
McKinstry
And more
RE: Main reason I don't think a trade down is likely is that  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/18/2024 5:01 pm : link
In comment 16474268 Strahan91 said:
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if you look at their top 30 visits there aren't many guys projected to go mid to late 1st round


Actually, Sy'56 e-mailed me a couple of days ago saying that he felt the team was looking at a bunch of players with their 30 visits that are currently in the no-man's land between our two picks.
RE: Just take  
Darwinian : 4/18/2024 5:02 pm : link
In comment 16474256 Spider43 said:
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Odunze at #6. There's no way he lasts past da Bears at 9, or, GASP, the Jets at 10. I see a Jerry Rice-type career for him, with us.


If we pair Odunze with Daniel Jones his career will look more like Laquan Treadwill than Jerry Rice. This team needs a quarterback.
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LW_Giants : 4/18/2024 5:17 pm : link
In comment 16474278 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 16474268 Strahan91 said:


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if you look at their top 30 visits there aren't many guys projected to go mid to late 1st round



Actually, Sy'56 e-mailed me a couple of days ago saying that he felt the team was looking at a bunch of players with their 30 visits that are currently in the no-man's land between our two picks.


I've noticed this as well. They've had a ton of visits with guys that will go in the first round but not top 10.
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/18/2024 5:17 pm : link
Ryan Dunleavy
@rydunleavy
TAKEAWAY: Overvalued self-assessments have been a problem for #Giants for a decade.

Joe Schoen sounded today like he sees the roster for what it is. That's a good thing.

"I think we're not one player away or two players"
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"We’ve gotten a lot of (trade) calls from people behind us"
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could be laying groundwork to trade down and fill more holes if the desired QB is not available.

I didn't think #nygiants would pass on a WR at 6 until recently. Now I wonder if a 3-for-1 package that produces a starting WR, starting DB and Bo Nix could be tempting.

Remember, Schoen admitted that he sped up the rebuild last year after signing Daniel Jones to the $160M extension.
Draft WR  
Paulie Walnuts : 4/18/2024 5:27 pm : link
And roll with Tommy Cutlets!
RE: Just take  
giantstock : 4/18/2024 5:31 pm : link
In comment 16474256 Spider43 said:
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Odunze at #6. There's no way he lasts past da Bears at 9, or, GASP, the Jets at 10. I see a Jerry Rice-type career for him, with us.


Jerry Rice career With Lock and Jones as QB's. Yeah right.
RE: RE: Just take  
RHPeel : 4/18/2024 5:33 pm : link
In comment 16474280 Darwinian said:
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In comment 16474256 Spider43 said:


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Odunze at #6. There's no way he lasts past da Bears at 9, or, GASP, the Jets at 10. I see a Jerry Rice-type career for him, with us.



If we pair Odunze with Daniel Jones his career will look more like Laquan Treadwill than Jerry Rice. This team needs a quarterback.


Odunze is a *much* better athlete than Treadwell, and there's a pretty small chance at this point that Jones is the QB in 2025. This can take more than one year to solve.
Zero  
Saquon'sQuadz : 4/18/2024 5:40 pm : link
Chance QBs go 1-5
RE: Based on today's  
section125 : 4/18/2024 5:42 pm : link
In comment 16474234 Eric from BBI said:
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press conference, I'm more convinced Schoen is strongly considering trading down.


I think this is extremely viable. I think Penix is on the table in a trade back. Get and additional 2nd or 3rd this year and next years 1 or 2 from some team. Pick up Penix and a WR or DT in the 2nd. They need quality players from day 2 and as light trade back would help.
A trade back to 12 that gets Penix is great  
Go Terps : 4/18/2024 5:46 pm : link
My question would be if you can draft Penix at 12, why can't you draft him at 6?
RE: Based on today's  
bluefin : 4/18/2024 5:48 pm : link
In comment 16474234 Eric from BBI said:
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press conference, I'm more convinced Schoen is strongly considering trading down.

same here, and I hope so
RE: A trade back to 12 that gets Penix is great  
LW_Giants : 4/18/2024 5:51 pm : link
In comment 16474341 Go Terps said:
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My question would be if you can draft Penix at 12, why can't you draft him at 6?


Because maybe at 12 you also get another second round pick or a second round pick in next years draft.
RE: LW_Giants  
BleedBlue46 : 4/18/2024 5:57 pm : link
In comment 16474217 Eric from BBI said:
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You are asking questions that can't be answered by fans on a fan website.

You listen to the offers and react.

If the offer is underwhelming, you stand pat and take the WR.

If they offer you a tremendous deal, you trade down, and possibly maneuver for Penix or Nix.

Or you acquire draft capital to move up in 2025.


That's my preference eight now, for Penix not Nix.
RE: A trade back to 12 that gets Penix is great  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/18/2024 5:59 pm : link
In comment 16474341 Go Terps said:
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My question would be if you can draft Penix at 12, why can't you draft him at 6?


Because if you can get him at 12, why do you take him at six?

Medicals.
RE: RE: A trade back to 12 that gets Penix is great  
BleedBlue46 : 4/18/2024 5:59 pm : link
In comment 16474349 LW_Giants said:
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In comment 16474341 Go Terps said:


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My question would be if you can draft Penix at 12, why can't you draft him at 6?



Because maybe at 12 you also get another second round pick or a second round pick in next years draft.


If they are trading up for JJM you could get a 2025 1st and a day 2 pick, the Broncos have a 2nd this year though. Just 76.
RE: RE: A trade back to 12 that gets Penix is great  
Mike from Ohio : 4/18/2024 6:00 pm : link
In comment 16474349 LW_Giants said:
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In comment 16474341 Go Terps said:


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My question would be if you can draft Penix at 12, why can't you draft him at 6?



Because maybe at 12 you also get another second round pick or a second round pick in next years draft.


So you don't want Penix to be the Giants QB, unless we get an additional second round pick next year. Then you do?

Do you imagine his success as the Giants QB hinges on that 2025 second round pick?
and I wouldn't  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/18/2024 6:01 pm : link
discount Penix at six.

But I have some difficulty seeing the Giants replacing an injury-prone QB with another one.

If Penix didn't have the medicals, he would go before McCarthy.
the evaluation  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/18/2024 6:03 pm : link
of Penix is largely contingent about what medical people say at this point. We don't have that info.
RE: RE: RE: A trade back to 12 that gets Penix is great  
BleedBlue46 : 4/18/2024 6:04 pm : link
In comment 16474366 Mike from Ohio said:
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In comment 16474349 LW_Giants said:


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In comment 16474341 Go Terps said:


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My question would be if you can draft Penix at 12, why can't you draft him at 6?



Because maybe at 12 you also get another second round pick or a second round pick in next years draft.



So you don't want Penix to be the Giants QB, unless we get an additional second round pick next year. Then you do?

Do you imagine his success as the Giants QB hinges on that 2025 second round pick?


It would be a 2025 1st from a team that will most likely be top 5 or top 10 worst in the league next year
I think the comment about medicals today  
Chris684 : 4/18/2024 6:08 pm : link
Would exclude Penix. That’s just my opinion.
RE: I think the comment about medicals today  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/18/2024 6:09 pm : link
In comment 16474373 Chris684 said:
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Would exclude Penix. That’s just my opinion.


I thought that too, but then I thought, if he likes Penix, he wants other teams to think that.
RE: I think the comment about medicals today  
BleedBlue46 : 4/18/2024 6:11 pm : link
In comment 16474373 Chris684 said:
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Would exclude Penix. That’s just my opinion.


He said they eliminated very few players and how player plays after injuries is very important to them. I would not exclude Penix based on his comments. At this point, if we could trade down and get Penix I'm all for it.
I struggle with the same thing Eric, I can’t see  
LW_Giants : 4/18/2024 6:19 pm : link
Them going from one injury prone qb to another, especially when the narrative they’ve agreed on with Daniel seems like it will be that he had the talent but his body wouldn’t hold up and it’s too big of a risk.

As for trading down to take Penix, the idea is given his medical you hedge your bet by getting additional assets in case it doesn’t work out. You don’t get those assets if you take him at 6.
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