It sounds like one or both of Vikings/Broncos will be jumping the Giants for quarterbacks. Haven't seen it mentioned, but maybe we could make a deal with one of them if NE (or one of Vikings/Broncos) takes Maye and JJM is there at 6?
I'd prefer to take JJM if he's there, but I could see Schoen wanting to trade down in that scenario.
Not sure what to believe right now (kudos to Schoen), but it does seem like indications are that the Giants will stay put and take a receiver or trade down. The rumors of them moving up seem to have died down.
Who is your ideal team for a trade down? And what would you want?
Sit tight and take the next Larry Fitzgerald, or get an absolute haul of picks.
You listen to the offers and react.
If the offer is underwhelming, you stand pat and take the WR.
If they offer you a tremendous deal, you trade down, and possibly maneuver for Penix or Nix.
Or you acquire draft capital to move up in 2025.
You listen to the offers and react.
If the offer is underwhelming, you stand pat and take the WR.
If they offer you a tremendous deal, you trade down, and possibly maneuver for Penix or Nix.
Or you acquire draft capital to move up in 2025.
Well, yes, you are correct that fans can't decide that lol. I was just trying to spur a discussion. I'll delete if you don't think it's one worth having.
If the Broncos did offer the Giants #12, next year's #1, and Surtain, you take that offer.
If the Broncos did offer the Giants #12, next year's #1, and Surtain, you take that offer.
If that deal from the Broncos were real you take that in a heartbeat.
You also have to keep in mind though, it's entirely possible that is exactly what he wants other teams trying to jump the Giants to think
If the Broncos did offer the Giants #12, next year's #1, and Surtain, you take that offer.
100% this. If you don't absolutely love McCarthy and that's the offer, take it and don't look back. (Then I would try to swing back up and snag Odunze at 8, but that's just me.)
I agree. One, if he is telling the truth then he gave a lot of details into that and he isn't just saying it to say it. Two, if he isn't telling the truth then he's trying to create a market for the pick.
I've been saying for awhile that if they can't move up, they should move down. This is a pretty deep draft and taking a WR in our current state doesn't make a ton of sense. Collect assets for next year when we'll need to make a move for a QB and continue building the lines in the meantime.
Your idea of a “reach” is possibly not remotely close to what the Giants may or may not consider a reach. You have less than zero idea of how the Giants feel about the QBs and where they think they should go
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press conference, I'm more convinced Schoen is strongly considering trading down.
You also have to keep in mind though, it's entirely possible that is exactly what he wants other teams trying to jump the Giants to think
I've taken that into account (see my post in the pinned thread above about the presser).
I agree, me too. It's that, but it's also the desperation of teams behind us. I get the sense they are in throw the charts out the window mode to get their hands on one of these guys.
Joe Schoen:
“We’re not one or two players away.”
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press conference, I'm more convinced Schoen is strongly considering trading down.
You also have to keep in mind though, it's entirely possible that is exactly what he wants other teams trying to jump the Giants to think
+1
I was thinking the sane thing. In fact, one reason to mention all the action at 6 already is to drive up the cost- create competition..
I still think we are locked in on Maye but no way of knowing if he will bevthere for them.
I disagree. There are a bunch.
Penix
Nix
Sinnot
Turner
Robinson
McKinstry
And more
Actually, Sy'56 e-mailed me a couple of days ago saying that he felt the team was looking at a bunch of players with their 30 visits that are currently in the no-man's land between our two picks.
If we pair Odunze with Daniel Jones his career will look more like Laquan Treadwill than Jerry Rice. This team needs a quarterback.
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if you look at their top 30 visits there aren't many guys projected to go mid to late 1st round
Actually, Sy'56 e-mailed me a couple of days ago saying that he felt the team was looking at a bunch of players with their 30 visits that are currently in the no-man's land between our two picks.
I've noticed this as well. They've had a ton of visits with guys that will go in the first round but not top 10.
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Joe Schoen sounded today like he sees the roster for what it is. That's a good thing.
"I think we're not one player away or two players"
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"We’ve gotten a lot of (trade) calls from people behind us"
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could be laying groundwork to trade down and fill more holes if the desired QB is not available.
I didn't think #nygiants would pass on a WR at 6 until recently. Now I wonder if a 3-for-1 package that produces a starting WR, starting DB and Bo Nix could be tempting.
Remember, Schoen admitted that he sped up the rebuild last year after signing Daniel Jones to the $160M extension.
Jerry Rice career With Lock and Jones as QB's. Yeah right.
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Odunze at #6. There's no way he lasts past da Bears at 9, or, GASP, the Jets at 10. I see a Jerry Rice-type career for him, with us.
If we pair Odunze with Daniel Jones his career will look more like Laquan Treadwill than Jerry Rice. This team needs a quarterback.
Odunze is a *much* better athlete than Treadwell, and there's a pretty small chance at this point that Jones is the QB in 2025. This can take more than one year to solve.
I think this is extremely viable. I think Penix is on the table in a trade back. Get and additional 2nd or 3rd this year and next years 1 or 2 from some team. Pick up Penix and a WR or DT in the 2nd. They need quality players from day 2 and as light trade back would help.
same here, and I hope so
Because maybe at 12 you also get another second round pick or a second round pick in next years draft.
You listen to the offers and react.
If the offer is underwhelming, you stand pat and take the WR.
If they offer you a tremendous deal, you trade down, and possibly maneuver for Penix or Nix.
Or you acquire draft capital to move up in 2025.
That's my preference eight now, for Penix not Nix.
Because if you can get him at 12, why do you take him at six?
Medicals.
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My question would be if you can draft Penix at 12, why can't you draft him at 6?
Because maybe at 12 you also get another second round pick or a second round pick in next years draft.
If they are trading up for JJM you could get a 2025 1st and a day 2 pick, the Broncos have a 2nd this year though. Just 76.
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My question would be if you can draft Penix at 12, why can't you draft him at 6?
Because maybe at 12 you also get another second round pick or a second round pick in next years draft.
So you don't want Penix to be the Giants QB, unless we get an additional second round pick next year. Then you do?
Do you imagine his success as the Giants QB hinges on that 2025 second round pick?
But I have some difficulty seeing the Giants replacing an injury-prone QB with another one.
If Penix didn't have the medicals, he would go before McCarthy.
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My question would be if you can draft Penix at 12, why can't you draft him at 6?
Because maybe at 12 you also get another second round pick or a second round pick in next years draft.
So you don't want Penix to be the Giants QB, unless we get an additional second round pick next year. Then you do?
Do you imagine his success as the Giants QB hinges on that 2025 second round pick?
It would be a 2025 1st from a team that will most likely be top 5 or top 10 worst in the league next year
I thought that too, but then I thought, if he likes Penix, he wants other teams to think that.
He said they eliminated very few players and how player plays after injuries is very important to them. I would not exclude Penix based on his comments. At this point, if we could trade down and get Penix I'm all for it.
As for trading down to take Penix, the idea is given his medical you hedge your bet by getting additional assets in case it doesn’t work out. You don’t get those assets if you take him at 6.