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Watched it this morning  
Rjanyg : 4/18/2024 6:56 pm : link
So good! Sy is made for TV!
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/18/2024 7:00 pm : link
Listened to it & it made me depressed AF about Neal. Sy thinks-& I am starting to think so too-that Neal's problems aren't as much physical, but more between the ears. And I worry if there's any coming back from that.
Thanks for sharing  
uncledave : 4/18/2024 7:07 pm : link
Watching it now
RE: ...  
Sky King : 4/18/2024 7:27 pm : link
In comment 16474441 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Listened to it & it made me depressed AF about Neal. Sy thinks-& I am starting to think so too-that Neal's problems aren't as much physical, but more between the ears. And I worry if there's any coming back from that.


That's OK. If he doesn't work out, he can get a job flipping burgers.
New OL coach. They need to show improvement or the staff could  
robbieballs2003 : 4/18/2024 7:34 pm : link
be fired. The OL coach, imo, gets to make that decision. We'll see what happens. I've been saying for years now since Columbo that our OL coach could be the biggest addition we make. But I'm switching it up now. I truly believe that Eluemunor can be a great mentor to Neal. This guy just seems to have the right make up. He seems very positive and that might help Neal out.
RE: New OL coach. They need to show improvement or the staff could  
short lease : 4/18/2024 7:40 pm : link
In comment 16474486 robbieballs2003 said:
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be fired. The OL coach, imo, gets to make that decision. We'll see what happens. I've been saying for years now since Columbo that our OL coach could be the biggest addition we make. But I'm switching it up now. I truly believe that Eluemunor can be a great mentor to Neal. This guy just seems to have the right make up. He seems very positive and that might help Neal out.


+1


Hope you're right.
RE: RE: New OL coach. They need to show improvement or the staff could  
robbieballs2003 : 4/18/2024 7:43 pm : link
In comment 16474490 short lease said:
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be fired. The OL coach, imo, gets to make that decision. We'll see what happens. I've been saying for years now since Columbo that our OL coach could be the biggest addition we make. But I'm switching it up now. I truly believe that Eluemunor can be a great mentor to Neal. This guy just seems to have the right make up. He seems very positive and that might help Neal out.



+1


Hope you're right.


Me too. 🤣
RE: RE: RE: New OL coach. They need to show improvement or the staff could  
beatrixkiddo : 4/18/2024 8:05 pm : link
In comment 16474495 robbieballs2003 said:
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In comment 16474486 robbieballs2003 said:


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be fired. The OL coach, imo, gets to make that decision. We'll see what happens. I've been saying for years now since Columbo that our OL coach could be the biggest addition we make. But I'm switching it up now. I truly believe that Eluemunor can be a great mentor to Neal. This guy just seems to have the right make up. He seems very positive and that might help Neal out.



+1


Hope you're right.



Me too. 🤣


+3

Giants have been so dreadful over the years evaluating OL in general. I’ve noticed that the voices banging the table year after year for them to keep drafting OL has finally grown quiet. I mean they have sucked drafting all positions across the board minus DT and perhaps DB, but this team is the worst at evaluating OL among all position groups. Until they fully fix their draft room and philosophy I rather they not draft OL anymore. I hope that Neal can turn it around and get off the Erik Flowers career trajectory. I think Elemenour is likely to win the RT job, hopefully Neal can find something at OG if they give him a shot.
Regarding Neal….  
thrunthrublue : 4/18/2024 8:33 pm : link
Did others hear today that the ankle sprain we heard about last season was actually a bone break(s)? Why was the training and medical staff either not aware of that, why were they letting him hobble around trying to play in that condition? We’re the coaches aware? WTF.
RE: Regarding Neal….  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/18/2024 8:42 pm : link
In comment 16474544 thrunthrublue said:
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Did others hear today that the ankle sprain we heard about last season was actually a bone break(s)? Why was the training and medical staff either not aware of that, why were they letting him hobble around trying to play in that condition? We’re the coaches aware? WTF.


Part of my write up on Neal from the "Scouting Report" section of the site:

"In 2023, Neal suffered a concussion in training camp that caused him to miss two valuable weeks of practice. A right ankle injury nagged him for all of October, causing him to also miss two games. When he returned in early November, he broke his left ankle, an injury which required surgery."
I don't know if Neal has the ability  
kelly : 4/18/2024 8:45 pm : link
to quickly process the pass rusher coming at him with space.

You have to be able to adjust to the speed, power, angle of attack from the pass rusher. Anchor on a bull rush verse sliding on an outside pass rush or protecting against an inside spin move.

The ability to process what the pass rusher is doing and adjust accordingly is what you need to have to be a good tackle.

That is why players with far less talent physically can far outplay the players with much greater physical ability.

I have not seen any ability of Neal in the mental processing aspect of playing tackle.
RE: I don't know if Neal has the ability  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/18/2024 8:58 pm : link
In comment 16474560 kelly said:
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to quickly process the pass rusher coming at him with space.

You have to be able to adjust to the speed, power, angle of attack from the pass rusher. Anchor on a bull rush verse sliding on an outside pass rush or protecting against an inside spin move.

The ability to process what the pass rusher is doing and adjust accordingly is what you need to have to be a good tackle.

That is why players with far less talent physically can far outplay the players with much greater physical ability.

I have not seen any ability of Neal in the mental processing aspect of playing tackle.


Again, he did this in the SEC for four years, against the nation's best talent.

Sy made the same point that I've been making... it's just weird because he has already proven he can do it. There is a reason why teams had him as the top OL in the draft.
RE: Regarding Neal….  
BleedBlue46 : 4/18/2024 9:04 pm : link
In comment 16474544 thrunthrublue said:
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Did others hear today that the ankle sprain we heard about last season was actually a bone break(s)? Why was the training and medical staff either not aware of that, why were they letting him hobble around trying to play in that condition? We’re the coaches aware? WTF.


In a big man's ankle with swelling especially, it can be very hard to see some small bone breaks.
Hate that Sy is so down on JMS too.  
bceagle05 : 4/18/2024 9:06 pm : link
This OL has been a curse.
RE: Hate that Sy is so down on JMS too.  
BleedBlue46 : 4/18/2024 9:09 pm : link
In comment 16474587 bceagle05 said:
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This OL has been a curse.


This is such a pivotal draft for the NYG, Daboll and Schoen. If they don't get this right (as in get a franchise qb or have enough draft capital to get one in 2025), then they are screwed if you ask me. That's why I think they may be willing to give up a king's ransom for Maye if they can since he's the guy they seemingly have real conviction in.
RE: RE: Hate that Sy is so down on JMS too.  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/18/2024 9:10 pm : link
In comment 16474590 BleedBlue46 said:
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This OL has been a curse.



This is such a pivotal draft for the NYG, Daboll and Schoen. If they don't get this right (as in get a franchise qb or have enough draft capital to get one in 2025), then they are screwed if you ask me. That's why I think they may be willing to give up a king's ransom for Maye if they can since he's the guy they seemingly have real conviction in.


Understand that if they draft Maye, you don't want him playing in 2024. All the experts seem to be on the same page with that.
RE: RE: I don't know if Neal has the ability  
56goat : 4/18/2024 9:28 pm : link
In comment 16474570 Eric from BBI said:
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to quickly process the pass rusher coming at him with space.

You have to be able to adjust to the speed, power, angle of attack from the pass rusher. Anchor on a bull rush verse sliding on an outside pass rush or protecting against an inside spin move.

The ability to process what the pass rusher is doing and adjust accordingly is what you need to have to be a good tackle.

That is why players with far less talent physically can far outplay the players with much greater physical ability.

I have not seen any ability of Neal in the mental processing aspect of playing tackle.



Again, he did this in the SEC for four years, against the nation's best talent.

Sy made the same point that I've been making... it's just weird because he has already proven he can do it. There is a reason why teams had him as the top OL in the draft.


Not everyone can handle failure, especially a top draft pick. Gonna get knocked down, the question is do you keep getting back up?
RE: Hate that Sy is so down on JMS too.  
widmerseyebrow : 4/18/2024 11:21 pm : link
In comment 16474587 bceagle05 said:
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This OL has been a curse.


and we passed on a good guard that is locked into the starting job in Buffalo to draft him...
RE: RE: Hate that Sy is so down on JMS too.  
BleedBlue46 : 4/18/2024 11:24 pm : link
In comment 16474736 widmerseyebrow said:
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This OL has been a curse.



and we passed on a good guard that is locked into the starting job in Buffalo to draft him...


Yeah, that was a head scratcher passing on Ocyrus Torrence or however you spell it.
RE: RE: Hate that Sy is so down on JMS too.  
BleedBlue46 : 4/18/2024 11:25 pm : link
In comment 16474736 widmerseyebrow said:
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In comment 16474587 bceagle05 said:


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This OL has been a curse.



and we passed on a good guard that is locked into the starting job in Buffalo to draft him...


Sy loved Torrence too.
So the Giants drafted  
section125 : 4/19/2024 8:01 am : link
the #1 OT in 2022 and then they drafted the #1 OC in 2023 and both have not done as expected...why is that?

I think Carmen Bricillo will do something about it.
This was a particularly awesome episode  
ATL_Giants : 4/19/2024 8:59 am : link
Don't know if Sy, Dan or Nick will see this, but thanks fellas. Excellent work, I'm grateful for all that you three are doing.
is  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/19/2024 9:13 am : link
it me or did the video cut off abruptly?
Happened to me too.  
aimrocky : 4/19/2024 9:29 am : link
The podcast length is over an hour but the Youtube feed cut off at an hour.
RE: ...  
Section331 : 4/19/2024 10:34 am : link
In comment 16474441 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Listened to it & it made me depressed AF about Neal. Sy thinks-& I am starting to think so too-that Neal's problems aren't as much physical, but more between the ears. And I worry if there's any coming back from that.


I think he’s just thinking too much, that’s not unusual with young players. Getting hurt last year set his progression back too. I really think we see a different Neal this year.
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