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Jeremiah: The 3 P's of Quarterback Support

mittenedman : 4/18/2024 7:00 pm
1) Play caller
2) Protection
3) Playmakers

He also mentioned that in his discussions with teams, they are more focused on whether their team is ready (having the 3 Ps in place) to develop a quarterback if they draft one.

You can listen to the podcast below.

Where have the Giants ranked in these 3 areas (good or bad), since, say 2019?


Jeremiah on QB acquisition - ( New Window )
True, take Odunze at 6.  
BleedBlue46 : 4/18/2024 7:01 pm : link
Then Benson or ol at 47, then RB or ol or TE at 70. Let's see if DJ can be the 40 million dollar QB we want him to be!
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/18/2024 7:06 pm : link
I can see what the OP is alluding to & no one-as far as I know-is arguing that he who shall not be named hasn't been handed the best situation in terms of all 3 categories. But he isn't blameless, far from it. He just hasn't been that good. That's not a knock on him as a person or whatever...it's just a fact.

He was also drafted sixth overall & is making $40 million. Is it too much to ask him to elevate his game? Is it too much to ask that he put on the Superman cape & carry the team when the situation isn't ideal? When have some here just started accepting mediocrity?
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LW_Giants : 4/18/2024 7:10 pm : link
In comment 16474456 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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I can see what the OP is alluding to & no one-as far as I know-is arguing that he who shall not be named hasn't been handed the best situation in terms of all 3 categories. But he isn't blameless, far from it. He just hasn't been that good. That's not a knock on him as a person or whatever...it's just a fact.

He was also drafted sixth overall & is making $40 million. Is it too much to ask him to elevate his game? Is it too much to ask that he put on the Superman cape & carry the team when the situation isn't ideal? When have some here just started accepting mediocrity?


“Yes” -Jack Stroud
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mittenedman : 4/18/2024 7:14 pm : link
In comment 16474456 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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I can see what the OP is alluding to & no one-as far as I know-is arguing that he who shall not be named hasn't been handed the best situation in terms of all 3 categories. But he isn't blameless, far from it. He just hasn't been that good. That's not a knock on him as a person or whatever...it's just a fact.

He was also drafted sixth overall & is making $40 million. Is it too much to ask him to elevate his game? Is it too much to ask that he put on the Superman cape & carry the team when the situation isn't ideal? When have some here just started accepting mediocrity?


It's not just about DJ - it's about every QB. Including the ones in the draft. The Giants may be hesitant selling the farm for a QB when their support system sucks and he's likely to fail because of it.

You can at least see why they'd be tempted to grab an elite #1 WR and reevaluate. Look what happened at QB in MIA and PHI when they brought in stud WRs. All the sudden they had stud QBs. Funny how that happened.
Obviously you can take a QB at 6 too  
giantstock : 4/18/2024 7:16 pm : link

1-- You would draft The Play Caller with the 6th pick IF IF you like him.

2-- You picked up two FA starters at OL. What's the point of picking them up if you don't believe they are any good? JMS was pretty good last year before being hurt wasn't he? So. you could only work with a perfect OL?

3-- In re to Play Maker - we heard this is a strong draft for WR - you can pick up the Playmaker. While The Headline is the QB - the 2nd rd WR should be a very good play maker.

If DJ’s point was to try a catchy slogan to fit his narrative, it misses imo.
We can argue about 1)  
BillT : 4/18/2024 7:34 pm : link
But as far as 2) and 3). Dead last.
Interesting  
Lines of Scrimmage : 4/18/2024 7:46 pm : link
No mention of the running game. The last two HC's here who won the SB's sure seemed to think that helped.
RE: Interesting  
BleedBlue46 : 4/18/2024 7:49 pm : link
In comment 16474498 Lines of Scrimmage said:
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No mention of the running game. The last two HC's here who won the SB's sure seemed to think that helped.


Falls under playmakers
mittenedman  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/18/2024 7:55 pm : link
What's your point?

They are moving on from Jones.

It's a done deal. It's just a matter of when.
RE: Obviously you can take a QB at 6 too  
wahl35 : 4/18/2024 8:15 pm : link
In comment 16474472 giantstock said:
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1-- You would draft The Play Caller with the 6th pick IF IF you like him.


If DJ’s point was to try a catchy slogan to fit his narrative, it misses imo.


If I'm reading it correctly, I don't think he's referring to the QB. He's referring to the OC/whomever is running the offense. He's talking about support for the QB that may be drafted
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MotownGIANTS : 4/18/2024 9:08 pm : link
In comment 16474456 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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I can see what the OP is alluding to & no one-as far as I know-is arguing that he who shall not be named hasn't been handed the best situation in terms of all 3 categories. But he isn't blameless, far from it. He just hasn't been that good. That's not a knock on him as a person or whatever...it's just a fact.

He was also drafted sixth overall & is making $40 million. Is it too much to ask him to elevate his game? Is it too much to ask that he put on the Superman cape & carry the team when the situation isn't ideal? When have some here just started accepting mediocrity?



Yes it is actually Eli put on a cape but at least had other capes on both sides of the ball especially defense that had multiple HoF guys. Toomer Plax Nicks Cruz and Smith to a lesser degree …. Tiki Bradshaw Jacobs …. That resulted in a roller coaster ride ….
It’s not 2019  
TyreeHelmet : 4/18/2024 9:12 pm : link
He’s had 5 seasons and quite honestly 2 really good playcallers. Stop the excuses it’s absurd. He’s a 40 million qb who’s in the bottom 10 of the league ( and that’s being generous).
Giants are moving on  
56goat : 4/18/2024 9:34 pm : link
and I am OK with a rookie QB siting and learning while Lock plays a good part of the season or even (gulp) DJ, since I don't see Mara letting him be put on a shelf.
RE: RE: Obviously you can take a QB at 6 too  
giantstock : 4/18/2024 10:13 pm : link
In comment 16474527 wahl35 said:
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In comment 16474472 giantstock said:


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1-- You would draft The Play Caller with the 6th pick IF IF you like him.


If DJ’s point was to try a catchy slogan to fit his narrative, it misses imo.



If I'm reading it correctly, I don't think he's referring to the QB. He's referring to the OC/whomever is running the offense. He's talking about support for the QB that may be drafted


Iknow that. Thats why I said teh guy mittendman was referencing (Daniel J), missed the mark because he made up a narrative/slogan to justify he feels Giants should select the trenches yet his same "3 P's" can be applied to QB. But that doesn't fit his narrative.
The Jones white knights never cease to amuse  
Greg from LI : 4/19/2024 8:34 am : link
Just can't accept that the guy sucks
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