but this guy Del Col saying "you can't trade him" is asinine.
Neal is an unmitigated disaster until proven otherwise. So, how much longer do you want to go until proven otherwise? The guy looks completely incompetent. Go re-read Sy's review since Neal started playing. It's like Neal should be arrested for attempted manslaughter.
Just cut the loss now, find someone who will give you anything for him, and look for another solution.
but this guy Del Col saying "you can't trade him" is asinine.
Neal is an unmitigated disaster until proven otherwise. So, how much longer do you want to go until proven otherwise? The guy looks completely incompetent. Go re-read Sy's review since Neal started playing. It's like Neal should be arrested for attempted manslaughter.
Just cut the loss now, find someone who will give you anything for him, and look for another solution.
but this guy Del Col saying "you can't trade him" is asinine.
Neal is an unmitigated disaster until proven otherwise. So, how much longer do you want to go until proven otherwise? The guy looks completely incompetent. Go re-read Sy's review since Neal started playing. It's like Neal should be arrested for attempted manslaughter.
Just cut the loss now, find someone who will give you anything for him, and look for another solution.
No, we were saying Neal has no trade value.
Totally disagree. With the never-ending issue with OLs, a team will say they can rehab Neal with a clean slate and change of scenery. Neal was a top ten pick just two years ago. That carries value despite the horrendous play. Not great value, but value.
allows them to take another shot on Neal to redeem himself with the new coach. If Neal fails at RT, Eluemunor goes that spot and Neal gets a shot at Guard. If Neal fails at Guard, well, just more of the same that it's been for years now. If both Eluemunor and Neal fail at both spots, Schoen won't be around for much longer and next guy gets a shot to try to break the curse of Hurricane Sandy.
You frequently bring up the Giants' low number of picks and the possibility of trading down. I think you're completely right, but I think this issue shines a light on mistakes the Giants have been making in personnel: not trading veterans and not being on the right side of the compensatory formula.
These things need to change as a matter of policy over the next several years.
Build team around him (Jones).....I get what you mean, but building team is very important....for any QB. See 49er.
I like the Milton flyer.....with Daboll being a QB whisperer.
Granted.....I do not see John Elway from top 6 and see them as them all as flyers....
Maye is obvious top QB target imo.....a Josh Allen lite, but QB craze seems to hyped up.....and no way should they over-pay for him.....JJ hype might help them get Maye.
All, I know....whatever QB is available for the Giants won't be rated higher than the WR available.
Granted, although not ideal, not a great QB...but Jones is not garbage.....and Lock has more traits than most of these rookies..
I feel we are in full Josh Rosen affect.
Daniel's, the LSU QB scares the hell out of me...only 1 great year....with those 2 WRs.....my aunt would have done well.
That the Giants should trade up for a quarterback if the guy they want is there and the compensation isn't ridiculous. If not, sit at 6 and take the wide receiver.
I haven't listened all the way through (about half way), but I am coming around to trading down and accumulating more draft picks this year and possibly next. If we can have 4 or 5 picks in the top 100, we can address a few positions and create competition.
It is really going to be interesting to see what the giants do, as I see that there are many options that they can go. Schoen has done very well in keeping all of the teams and media guessing what their intentions are.
we obviously went way too long.... the weird thing is didn't feel like it because we were having more of a conversation. I think we got repetitive at points but some of this was thinking things through as we were talking.
As I said, I think the main thing is to see how different ways to approach this draft all have merits, and one path is super risky. Doesn't mean they should not do it, but understand the huge risk there.
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George, I think Dave is more willing to bite the bullet with Jones for one more season. But I wouldn't let him take another snap.
40 minutes in. Great listen thus far. I had to laugh when Eric said he pounded the table for Akili Smith, so did I back in college at an NFL draft party. Haha.
A huge boost, too often people get wrapped up in the draft pick spots, number of picks vs what actually gets done with them. *something that I think killed BB's last 4 years in NE.
The Giants do not have luxury to build through the draft because you don't have your guy to build around. Jones playing, possibly (likely) getting hurt would cripple us going forward. This draft class QB wise is considered one of the best but mow folks are trying to talk themselves out of getting one because the fear is multiple QB's will go in the first 3/4 picks. But some of that is flawed reasoning- Giants will be spending extra for QB 4 but you have no idea how they rank them. I think if they take a QB (6 or trade up) it's because they wanted that guy...
but I naturally assumed I would be hearing an NJ accent from our host. Sounds like he's from the Upper Midwest--Illinois, Wisconsin--or perhaps the Rochester, NY area.
A huge boost, too often people get wrapped up in the draft pick spots, number of picks vs what actually gets done with them. *something that I think killed BB's last 4 years in NE.
The Giants do not have luxury to build through the draft because you don't have your guy to build around. Jones playing, possibly (likely) getting hurt would cripple us going forward. This draft class QB wise is considered one of the best but mow folks are trying to talk themselves out of getting one because the fear is multiple QB's will go in the first 3/4 picks. But some of that is flawed reasoning- Giants will be spending extra for QB 4 but you have no idea how they rank them. I think if they take a QB (6 or trade up) it's because they wanted that guy...
I actually addressed the risk of "talking ourselves out of a quarterback" ("us" meaning the fans). I am guilty of that myself.
I repeatedly said the Giants have to get their QB either this year or next. The issue is I am not as convinced as you are that they are in position to do so. They are going to try but the four guys may be out of reach. So what do you do then? "Reach" for Penix or Nix at 6? Or trade down? Or take the WR?
You can't just Maye or McCarthy because there is no guarantee you can pull that off. You keep saying, "it will happen." That seems like faith, not logic to me.
but I naturally assumed I would be hearing an NJ accent from our host. Sounds like he's from the Upper Midwest--Illinois, Wisconsin--or perhaps the Rochester, NY area.
I just found it interesting.
From Jersey but been in VT almost 4 years now. The accent comes back out sometimes but it’s not what it used to be.
Eric, you could tell you were as excited as a kid on Christmas morning. Can't wait for the draft.
Draft is my favorite part of football. Only time I was ever really pissed on draft day was Thomas Lewis.
Oof! That was a bad day.
I was pretty bewildered that one year when they selected Petitgout. All day I kept repeating “Petitgout?!” Over and over again, more and more dumbfounded and exasperated. PETITGOUT!?!! I hadn’t heard a word about him that year prior to the draft. Total surprise selection for me. Turned out to be an okay pick in the long run, but still, Petitgout?!
Eric made me really start thinking about trading back. This roster has so many needs and we only got 6 picks.
I'd be completely OK with the WR at #6. Honestly, would be happy. If we passed on him, I'd also have regrets.
But I keep coming back to, how/where do we get the QB? Do you hope McCarthy falls to you? Do you trade up and make this a one player draft and/or give up next year's #1? Or do you trade back and take a lesser guy?
Dave wouldn't take the QB but build the team up. I'm OK with that but then you have to worry about next year's class and where you will be picking. However, you also don't want to simply draft a QB who you don't have a lot of confidence in will be a top guy in the NFL.
Eric, you could tell you were as excited as a kid on Christmas morning. Can't wait for the draft.
Draft is my favorite part of football. Only time I was ever really pissed on draft day was Thomas Lewis.
Eh - I was furious about that Cedric Jones pick - maybe picking up that high - escalated the blood pressure.
While it wasn't terribly popular, I was a big fan of the Ike Hilliard pick, and as it turned out Giants were fortunate not to have wasted it on Rae Carruth.
Ourlads was pretty high on Cedric so I wasn't as mad as I was with Thomas Lewis. However, I was pissed off that the RB the Rams took where he did because I wanted Ogden.
BTW, I was told at the time that there was a big push to draft Tiki in the first round. I think Fassel wanted him earlier but he was talked into waiting until the second round.
Ourlads was pretty high on Cedric so I wasn't as mad as I was with Thomas Lewis. However, I was pissed off that the RB the Rams took where he did because I wanted Ogden.
BTW, I was told at the time that there was a big push to draft Tiki in the first round. I think Fassel wanted him earlier but he was talked into waiting until the second round.
True - on Lewis - even worse was Isaac Bruce went less than 10 picks later to Rams.
For whatever reason I wasn't absolutely against the Ron Dayne pick - just kind of "meh" whatever, just like when we took Jones recently at QB.
Eli Apple is in conversation as a Top 3-5 all time hated pick from get-go. I really didn't like what I knew, even though everybody thought the physical tools were there.
Thomas Lewis was this... he was listed with the WRs in the "other" sections of the draft guides. And we took him in the first round.
I was like, "who the hell is that?" And then, "he's not even in my guides!"
I had a neighbor that went to school with one of the Maras and when I asked him why they chose Lewis, he said whichever Mara it is was, told him Lewis was the real deal and was going to be excellent....I forgot about that until this thread.
Eric made me really start thinking about trading back. This roster has so many needs and we only got 6 picks.
I'd be completely OK with the WR at #6. Honestly, would be happy. If we passed on him, I'd also have regrets.
But I keep coming back to, how/where do we get the QB? Do you hope McCarthy falls to you? Do you trade up and make this a one player draft and/or give up next year's #1? Or do you trade back and take a lesser guy?
Dave wouldn't take the QB but build the team up. I'm OK with that but then you have to worry about next year's class and where you will be picking. However, you also don't want to simply draft a QB who you don't have a lot of confidence in will be a top guy in the NFL.
Very dangerous time for the Giants.
Dangerous, but also a trap.
If you look at any draft in a vacuum, this draft, it is easy to say WR is the higher rated player, higher value. We can draft a QB next year.
Next year comes, same logic, cost to trade up is too much, don't see a franchise QB, etc. Lather, rinse, repeat. 10 years go by and we've only taken fliers on late round QBs that have little probability of panning out at all, let alone be a franchise QB.
Eli was drafted only because we had a GM with the stones to make a bold move. Kerry Collins was a far better QB than DJ is now, took the Giants to the Super Bowl, and yet we still made the bold move to draft Eli.
If there is a chance to draft what the Giants internal experts (not a Mara) believe is a difference maker at QB, we need to give it our best (reasonable) shot to make it happen. Not doing so dooms us to the same lousy, unwatchable football we've endured for the last 10+ years.
Build team around him (Jones).....I get what you mean, but building team is very important....for any QB. See 49er.
I like the Milton flyer.....with Daboll being a QB whisperer.
Granted.....I do not see John Elway from top 6 and see them as them all as flyers....
Maye is obvious top QB target imo.....a Josh Allen lite, but QB craze seems to hyped up.....and no way should they over-pay for him.....JJ hype might help them get Maye.
All, I know....whatever QB is available for the Giants won't be rated higher than the WR available.
Granted, although not ideal, not a great QB...but Jones is not garbage.....and Lock has more traits than most of these rookies..
I feel we are in full Josh Rosen affect.
Daniel's, the LSU QB scares the hell out of me...only 1 great year....with those 2 WRs.....my aunt would have done well.
A huge boost, too often people get wrapped up in the draft pick spots, number of picks vs what actually gets done with them. *something that I think killed BB's last 4 years in NE.
The Giants do not have luxury to build through the draft because you don't have your guy to build around. Jones playing, possibly (likely) getting hurt would cripple us going forward. This draft class QB wise is considered one of the best but mow folks are trying to talk themselves out of getting one because the fear is multiple QB's will go in the first 3/4 picks. But some of that is flawed reasoning- Giants will be spending extra for QB 4 but you have no idea how they rank them. I think if they take a QB (6 or trade up) it's because they wanted that guy...
I actually addressed the risk of "talking ourselves out of a quarterback" ("us" meaning the fans). I am guilty of that myself.
I repeatedly said the Giants have to get their QB either this year or next. The issue is I am not as convinced as you are that they are in position to do so. They are going to try but the four guys may be out of reach. So what do you do then? "Reach" for Penix or Nix at 6? Or trade down? Or take the WR?
You can't just Maye or McCarthy because there is no guarantee you can pull that off. You keep saying, "it will happen." That seems like faith, not logic to me.
True to the last sentence. I am saying it more as that is our guy with JJm the back up. I do NOT agree with then taking Penix or Nix at 6 (lots of reasons why I am against Penix by the way- health, age, past proven ability and flawed thinking that 40 yard time means he can run- he had 8 yards rushing last year- he isn't running..).
Then you do trade down to gather some other players.
I am willing to be wrong about Maye but I think and believe he is the guy- if we can get him, get him!
but I naturally assumed I would be hearing an NJ accent from our host. Sounds like he's from the Upper Midwest--Illinois, Wisconsin--or perhaps the Rochester, NY area.
I just found it interesting.
From Jersey but been in VT almost 4 years now. The accent comes back out sometimes but it’s not what it used to be.
ahh.. Former Vermoters here.. Eric has done shows with VT's twice now. LOL
Build team around him (Jones).....I get what you mean, but building team is very important....for any QB. See 49er.
I like the Milton flyer.....with Daboll being a QB whisperer.
Granted.....I do not see John Elway from top 6 and see them as them all as flyers....
Maye is obvious top QB target imo.....a Josh Allen lite, but QB craze seems to hyped up.....and no way should they over-pay for him.....JJ hype might help them get Maye.
All, I know....whatever QB is available for the Giants won't be rated higher than the WR available.
Granted, although not ideal, not a great QB...but Jones is not garbage.....and Lock has more traits than most of these rookies..
I feel we are in full Josh Rosen affect.
Daniel's, the LSU QB scares the hell out of me...only 1 great year....with those 2 WRs.....my aunt would have done well.
People said the same thing about Joe Burrow
It’s not that. It’s how he plays. Everything outside the numbers. The second the pocket breaks down he runs doesn’t keep eyes downfield. There’s a lot not to like with him. Also, I’d call his arm weak. Deep ball is poor. Burrrows talent jumped off the screen. Daniels, you have to look to see it, if you want to see it.
It was a blast to be able to chat with such a knowledgeable fan like Eric. We'll break it up into a couple shows next year to space it out a bit more. We could have chatted for another 2.5 hours I'm sure.
It was a blast to be able to chat with such a knowledgeable fan like Eric. We'll break it up into a couple shows next year to space it out a bit more. We could have chatted for another 2.5 hours I'm sure.
It was a blast to be able to chat with such a knowledgeable fan like Eric. We'll break it up into a couple shows next year to space it out a bit more. We could have chatted for another 2.5 hours I'm sure.
Teaser... Sy will be on next Tuesday.
I don't trust that Sy guy.
LOL... If anyone has questions or topics they want us to cover feel free to let me know
It was a blast to be able to chat with such a knowledgeable fan like Eric. We'll break it up into a couple shows next year to space it out a bit more. We could have chatted for another 2.5 hours I'm sure.
Teaser... Sy will be on next Tuesday.
I don't trust that Sy guy.
LOL... If anyone has questions or topics they want us to cover feel free to let me know
Straight up question, in his opinion how do you value picks this year (current year) vs future year picks in trade scenarios? Especially when you projecting where a team "MAY" be picking next year and what the potential crop of new players looks like (very early on). Has that view changed with how it is harder to predict players coming out early with NIL $ etc..
but I naturally assumed I would be hearing an NJ accent from our host. Sounds like he's from the Upper Midwest--Illinois, Wisconsin--or perhaps the Rochester, NY area.
I just found it interesting.
From Jersey but been in VT almost 4 years now. The accent comes back out sometimes but it’s not what it used to be.
Thanks Uncledave-- By "our host," I was actually referring to Eric: our BBI host! Sorry for the confusion.
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This was a fun discussion. I'm listening to it right now.
Neal is an unmitigated disaster until proven otherwise. So, how much longer do you want to go until proven otherwise? The guy looks completely incompetent. Go re-read Sy's review since Neal started playing. It's like Neal should be arrested for attempted manslaughter.
Just cut the loss now, find someone who will give you anything for him, and look for another solution.
Neal is an unmitigated disaster until proven otherwise. So, how much longer do you want to go until proven otherwise? The guy looks completely incompetent. Go re-read Sy's review since Neal started playing. It's like Neal should be arrested for attempted manslaughter.
Just cut the loss now, find someone who will give you anything for him, and look for another solution.
No, we were saying Neal has no trade value.
2025 draft has two QBs I really like: Jaxon Dart and Cam Ward.
My only fear is I think we could easily end up with 7+ wins which could leave us in a tough spot if Dart and Ward play like I expect them to in 2024.
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but this guy Del Col saying "you can't trade him" is asinine.
Neal is an unmitigated disaster until proven otherwise. So, how much longer do you want to go until proven otherwise? The guy looks completely incompetent. Go re-read Sy's review since Neal started playing. It's like Neal should be arrested for attempted manslaughter.
Just cut the loss now, find someone who will give you anything for him, and look for another solution.
No, we were saying Neal has no trade value.
Totally disagree. With the never-ending issue with OLs, a team will say they can rehab Neal with a clean slate and change of scenery. Neal was a top ten pick just two years ago. That carries value despite the horrendous play. Not great value, but value.
QB/OL/DL with the primary resources and figure out the rest later.
These things need to change as a matter of policy over the next several years.
I like the Milton flyer.....with Daboll being a QB whisperer.
Granted.....I do not see John Elway from top 6 and see them as them all as flyers....
Maye is obvious top QB target imo.....a Josh Allen lite, but QB craze seems to hyped up.....and no way should they over-pay for him.....JJ hype might help them get Maye.
All, I know....whatever QB is available for the Giants won't be rated higher than the WR available.
Granted, although not ideal, not a great QB...but Jones is not garbage.....and Lock has more traits than most of these rookies..
I feel we are in full Josh Rosen affect.
Daniel's, the LSU QB scares the hell out of me...only 1 great year....with those 2 WRs.....my aunt would have done well.
I haven't listened all the way through (about half way), but I am coming around to trading down and accumulating more draft picks this year and possibly next. If we can have 4 or 5 picks in the top 100, we can address a few positions and create competition.
It is really going to be interesting to see what the giants do, as I see that there are many options that they can go. Schoen has done very well in keeping all of the teams and media guessing what their intentions are.
As I said, I think the main thing is to see how different ways to approach this draft all have merits, and one path is super risky. Doesn't mean they should not do it, but understand the huge risk there.
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George, I think Dave is more willing to bite the bullet with Jones for one more season. But I wouldn't let him take another snap.
The Giants do not have luxury to build through the draft because you don't have your guy to build around. Jones playing, possibly (likely) getting hurt would cripple us going forward. This draft class QB wise is considered one of the best but mow folks are trying to talk themselves out of getting one because the fear is multiple QB's will go in the first 3/4 picks. But some of that is flawed reasoning- Giants will be spending extra for QB 4 but you have no idea how they rank them. I think if they take a QB (6 or trade up) it's because they wanted that guy...
I just found it interesting.
The Giants do not have luxury to build through the draft because you don't have your guy to build around. Jones playing, possibly (likely) getting hurt would cripple us going forward. This draft class QB wise is considered one of the best but mow folks are trying to talk themselves out of getting one because the fear is multiple QB's will go in the first 3/4 picks. But some of that is flawed reasoning- Giants will be spending extra for QB 4 but you have no idea how they rank them. I think if they take a QB (6 or trade up) it's because they wanted that guy...
I actually addressed the risk of "talking ourselves out of a quarterback" ("us" meaning the fans). I am guilty of that myself.
I repeatedly said the Giants have to get their QB either this year or next. The issue is I am not as convinced as you are that they are in position to do so. They are going to try but the four guys may be out of reach. So what do you do then? "Reach" for Penix or Nix at 6? Or trade down? Or take the WR?
You can't just Maye or McCarthy because there is no guarantee you can pull that off. You keep saying, "it will happen." That seems like faith, not logic to me.
Draft is my favorite part of football. Only time I was ever really pissed on draft day was Thomas Lewis.
I just found it interesting.
From Jersey but been in VT almost 4 years now. The accent comes back out sometimes but it’s not what it used to be.
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Eric, you could tell you were as excited as a kid on Christmas morning. Can't wait for the draft.
Draft is my favorite part of football. Only time I was ever really pissed on draft day was Thomas Lewis.
Oof! That was a bad day.
I was pretty bewildered that one year when they selected Petitgout. All day I kept repeating “Petitgout?!” Over and over again, more and more dumbfounded and exasperated. PETITGOUT!?!! I hadn’t heard a word about him that year prior to the draft. Total surprise selection for me. Turned out to be an okay pick in the long run, but still, Petitgout?!
I'd be completely OK with the WR at #6. Honestly, would be happy. If we passed on him, I'd also have regrets.
But I keep coming back to, how/where do we get the QB? Do you hope McCarthy falls to you? Do you trade up and make this a one player draft and/or give up next year's #1? Or do you trade back and take a lesser guy?
Dave wouldn't take the QB but build the team up. I'm OK with that but then you have to worry about next year's class and where you will be picking. However, you also don't want to simply draft a QB who you don't have a lot of confidence in will be a top guy in the NFL.
Very dangerous time for the Giants.
If your a trenches guy, those two could really turn both units into something special.
The Ron Dayne/Shaun Alexander debates on BBI were something.
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Eric, you could tell you were as excited as a kid on Christmas morning. Can't wait for the draft.
Draft is my favorite part of football. Only time I was ever really pissed on draft day was Thomas Lewis.
Eh - I was furious about that Cedric Jones pick - maybe picking up that high - escalated the blood pressure.
While it wasn't terribly popular, I was a big fan of the Ike Hilliard pick, and as it turned out Giants were fortunate not to have wasted it on Rae Carruth.
Ooh - Thomas Lewis is a good pull. I probably equally disliked the Derek Brown pick (and of course Cedric Jones but that goes without saying)
BTW, I was told at the time that there was a big push to draft Tiki in the first round. I think Fassel wanted him earlier but he was talked into waiting until the second round.
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Draft is my favorite part of football. Only time I was ever really pissed on draft day was Thomas Lewis.
Ooh - Thomas Lewis is a good pull. I probably equally disliked the Derek Brown pick (and of course Cedric Jones but that goes without saying)
Derek Brown was my introduction to there are no "sure things." Derek Brown was supposed to be a "can't miss" prospect.
I was like, "who the hell is that?" And then, "he's not even in my guides!"
BTW, I was told at the time that there was a big push to draft Tiki in the first round. I think Fassel wanted him earlier but he was talked into waiting until the second round.
True - on Lewis - even worse was Isaac Bruce went less than 10 picks later to Rams.
For whatever reason I wasn't absolutely against the Ron Dayne pick - just kind of "meh" whatever, just like when we took Jones recently at QB.
Eli Apple is in conversation as a Top 3-5 all time hated pick from get-go. I really didn't like what I knew, even though everybody thought the physical tools were there.
I was like, "who the hell is that?" And then, "he's not even in my guides!"
I had a neighbor that went to school with one of the Maras and when I asked him why they chose Lewis, he said whichever Mara it is was, told him Lewis was the real deal and was going to be excellent....I forgot about that until this thread.
Sometimes the guys who should be really good just don't pan out.
Sometimes the guys who should be really good just don't pan out.
I loved Wheatley in college and NFL at the time still loved the burly physical backs - know a lot of people loved Salaam here too.
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Eric made me really start thinking about trading back. This roster has so many needs and we only got 6 picks.
I'd be completely OK with the WR at #6. Honestly, would be happy. If we passed on him, I'd also have regrets.
But I keep coming back to, how/where do we get the QB? Do you hope McCarthy falls to you? Do you trade up and make this a one player draft and/or give up next year's #1? Or do you trade back and take a lesser guy?
Dave wouldn't take the QB but build the team up. I'm OK with that but then you have to worry about next year's class and where you will be picking. However, you also don't want to simply draft a QB who you don't have a lot of confidence in will be a top guy in the NFL.
Very dangerous time for the Giants.
Dangerous, but also a trap.
If you look at any draft in a vacuum, this draft, it is easy to say WR is the higher rated player, higher value. We can draft a QB next year.
Next year comes, same logic, cost to trade up is too much, don't see a franchise QB, etc. Lather, rinse, repeat. 10 years go by and we've only taken fliers on late round QBs that have little probability of panning out at all, let alone be a franchise QB.
Eli was drafted only because we had a GM with the stones to make a bold move. Kerry Collins was a far better QB than DJ is now, took the Giants to the Super Bowl, and yet we still made the bold move to draft Eli.
If there is a chance to draft what the Giants internal experts (not a Mara) believe is a difference maker at QB, we need to give it our best (reasonable) shot to make it happen. Not doing so dooms us to the same lousy, unwatchable football we've endured for the last 10+ years.
I like the Milton flyer.....with Daboll being a QB whisperer.
Granted.....I do not see John Elway from top 6 and see them as them all as flyers....
Maye is obvious top QB target imo.....a Josh Allen lite, but QB craze seems to hyped up.....and no way should they over-pay for him.....JJ hype might help them get Maye.
All, I know....whatever QB is available for the Giants won't be rated higher than the WR available.
Granted, although not ideal, not a great QB...but Jones is not garbage.....and Lock has more traits than most of these rookies..
I feel we are in full Josh Rosen affect.
Daniel's, the LSU QB scares the hell out of me...only 1 great year....with those 2 WRs.....my aunt would have done well.
People said the same thing about Joe Burrow
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A huge boost, too often people get wrapped up in the draft pick spots, number of picks vs what actually gets done with them. *something that I think killed BB's last 4 years in NE.
The Giants do not have luxury to build through the draft because you don't have your guy to build around. Jones playing, possibly (likely) getting hurt would cripple us going forward. This draft class QB wise is considered one of the best but mow folks are trying to talk themselves out of getting one because the fear is multiple QB's will go in the first 3/4 picks. But some of that is flawed reasoning- Giants will be spending extra for QB 4 but you have no idea how they rank them. I think if they take a QB (6 or trade up) it's because they wanted that guy...
I actually addressed the risk of "talking ourselves out of a quarterback" ("us" meaning the fans). I am guilty of that myself.
I repeatedly said the Giants have to get their QB either this year or next. The issue is I am not as convinced as you are that they are in position to do so. They are going to try but the four guys may be out of reach. So what do you do then? "Reach" for Penix or Nix at 6? Or trade down? Or take the WR?
You can't just Maye or McCarthy because there is no guarantee you can pull that off. You keep saying, "it will happen." That seems like faith, not logic to me.
True to the last sentence. I am saying it more as that is our guy with JJm the back up. I do NOT agree with then taking Penix or Nix at 6 (lots of reasons why I am against Penix by the way- health, age, past proven ability and flawed thinking that 40 yard time means he can run- he had 8 yards rushing last year- he isn't running..).
Then you do trade down to gather some other players.
I am willing to be wrong about Maye but I think and believe he is the guy- if we can get him, get him!
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but I naturally assumed I would be hearing an NJ accent from our host. Sounds like he's from the Upper Midwest--Illinois, Wisconsin--or perhaps the Rochester, NY area.
I just found it interesting.
From Jersey but been in VT almost 4 years now. The accent comes back out sometimes but it’s not what it used to be.
ahh.. Former Vermoters here.. Eric has done shows with VT's twice now. LOL
I was like, "who the hell is that?" And then, "he's not even in my guides!"
yep, mentioned this in another thread. He was Kipers 22nd ranked WR and we took him in the top 28/30 players period..
I disagree completely.
But, there is more than one way to get to the end result but some of the other ways require so many areas to stay healthy, and others to be lucky...
If your a trenches guy, those two could really turn both units into something special.
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Build team around him (Jones).....I get what you mean, but building team is very important....for any QB. See 49er.
I like the Milton flyer.....with Daboll being a QB whisperer.
Granted.....I do not see John Elway from top 6 and see them as them all as flyers....
Maye is obvious top QB target imo.....a Josh Allen lite, but QB craze seems to hyped up.....and no way should they over-pay for him.....JJ hype might help them get Maye.
All, I know....whatever QB is available for the Giants won't be rated higher than the WR available.
Granted, although not ideal, not a great QB...but Jones is not garbage.....and Lock has more traits than most of these rookies..
I feel we are in full Josh Rosen affect.
Daniel's, the LSU QB scares the hell out of me...only 1 great year....with those 2 WRs.....my aunt would have done well.
People said the same thing about Joe Burrow
It’s not that. It’s how he plays. Everything outside the numbers. The second the pocket breaks down he runs doesn’t keep eyes downfield. There’s a lot not to like with him. Also, I’d call his arm weak. Deep ball is poor. Burrrows talent jumped off the screen. Daniels, you have to look to see it, if you want to see it.
But that's what happens when you are a bad team.
Teaser... Sy will be on next Tuesday.
Teaser... Sy will be on next Tuesday.
I don't trust that Sy guy.
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It was a blast to be able to chat with such a knowledgeable fan like Eric. We'll break it up into a couple shows next year to space it out a bit more. We could have chatted for another 2.5 hours I'm sure.
Teaser... Sy will be on next Tuesday.
I don't trust that Sy guy.
LOL... If anyone has questions or topics they want us to cover feel free to let me know
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In comment 16475633 uncledave said:
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It was a blast to be able to chat with such a knowledgeable fan like Eric. We'll break it up into a couple shows next year to space it out a bit more. We could have chatted for another 2.5 hours I'm sure.
Teaser... Sy will be on next Tuesday.
I don't trust that Sy guy.
LOL... If anyone has questions or topics they want us to cover feel free to let me know
Straight up question, in his opinion how do you value picks this year (current year) vs future year picks in trade scenarios? Especially when you projecting where a team "MAY" be picking next year and what the potential crop of new players looks like (very early on). Has that view changed with how it is harder to predict players coming out early with NIL $ etc..
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but I naturally assumed I would be hearing an NJ accent from our host. Sounds like he's from the Upper Midwest--Illinois, Wisconsin--or perhaps the Rochester, NY area.
I just found it interesting.
From Jersey but been in VT almost 4 years now. The accent comes back out sometimes but it’s not what it used to be.
Thanks Uncledave-- By "our host," I was actually referring to Eric: our BBI host! Sorry for the confusion.