Notre Dame RB Audric Estime Top 30

of my favorite players in this draft.

In comment 16474740 Eric from BBI said:

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of my favorite players in this draft.

mine as well

He’s going to be a good value get because he ran that slow 40.

In comment 16474740 Eric from BBI said:

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of my favorite players in this draft.

That's encouraging, watching some highlights now.

In comment 16474746 Breeze_94 said:

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He’s going to be a good value get because he ran that slow 40.

Nice highlights. He does seem more of a power runner than a speed merchant, but he's good either way.
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In comment 16474746 Breeze_94 said:

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He’s going to be a good value get because he ran that slow 40.

Reminds me of the muscle hamster (Doug Martin), not a great 40 but bounces off guys and keeps trucking.

Love Estime.

I don’t see him still being available in the 4th.

is no question that Estime visited the Giants.

The question, since he is from Rockland County and played his HS football at St Joe's Montvale, is whether it was a Top 30 visit or a local visit.

It really doesn't matter, but he is the 4th player on the list I have been updating on BBI that raises the Top 30 vs Local question.

forty...
Jerry Rice ran a 4.65 as a WR - how did that work out?

RBs, power ones, don't need blazing speed. Just get me that 3rd and 2.

Round 4 target

In comment 16474815 section125 said:

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forty... Jerry Rice ran a 4.65 as a WR - how did that work out? RBs, power ones, don't need blazing speed. Just get me that 3rd and 2.

Exactly!

I would love if fell to the 4th round

My only concern with him would be the speed from handoff to the line of scrimmage which I always find difficult to determine difference between NFL and college.

It might because I have nightmares from the Ron Dayne experience. Some times runners like this get to the pros and they dont hit stride fast enough and go down in the backfield before they build up enough inertia.

But other than that concern I love him and fills a huge need for Giants. Need someone that can get short yardage and also be used to grind out tough yards late in a game.

I think he also has potential to be used on a new age FB role, I would love to have a fullback but having someone like Estime could really improve the deception and functionality of an offense, so I would love the pick if they have confidence in him.

40 times are so overrated. Every player does not need to be a home run hitter, but I think Estime game speed is a lot faster than his 40 time. There is plenty of tape of him pulling away from secondary players, so he has enough speed. But his ability to grind runs is something this team has been missing since Jacobs/Bradshaw.

Everyone used to talk about Barkley's quads, but they may have been the most underused quads in the NFL, he never learned how to use them properly.

nice player.

Classic north south, one cut, smash-mouth runner. Power back. Big bruiser. Breaks tackles. Hard to bring down. Defenders tend to bounce off of him. As you can see from those highlights, he is particularly good in short yardage situations. No wiggle or cut back ability. Some burst when he gets in the open field, but won't run away from anyone in the NFL IMO.

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In comment 16474861 SteelGiant said:

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I would love if fell to the 4th round My only concern with him would be the speed from handoff to the line of scrimmage which I always find difficult to determine difference between NFL and college. It might because I have nightmares from the Ron Dayne experience. Some times runners like this get to the pros and they dont hit stride fast enough and go down in the backfield before they build up enough inertia. But other than that concern I love him and fills a huge need for Giants. Need someone that can get short yardage and also be used to grind out tough yards late in a game. I think he also has potential to be used on a new age FB role, I would love to have a fullback but having someone like Estime could really improve the deception and functionality of an offense, so I would love the pick if they have confidence in him. 40 times are so overrated. Every player does not need to be a home run hitter, but I think Estime game speed is a lot faster than his 40 time. There is plenty of tape of him pulling away from secondary players, so he has enough speed. But his ability to grind runs is something this team has been missing since Jacobs/Bradshaw. Everyone used to talk about Barkley's quads, but they may have been the most underused quads in the NFL, he never learned how to use them properly.

Part of me wants the big punishing back (think mini-Jacobs). But my guess is Daboll will fall in love with the guy from TN.

Estime really is a Jacobs clone. Would love to bring that style of player back to the Giants.

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Poor speed scores.

4.71 40
2.7 20 yard split
1.58 10 yard split

No testing numbers for agility.

Some solid explosion numbers thought (vertical jump and broad jump).

I understand the tape is more important and he has put a lot of good stuff out there, but the combine numbers are at least a little worrisome.

In comment 16474896 ryanmkeane said:

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Estime really is a Jacobs clone. Would love to bring that style of player back to the Giants.

Estime is 5'11" and 221 lbs runs a 4.6

Jacobs was 6'4" and 264 lbs ran close to 4.4

clone might be the wrong term, but style is similar

also Jacobs ran angry

Estime doesn't play as slow as his 40 and Jacobs didn't play as fast as his 40 (if that 40 is true, I never saw Jacobs listed with 4.4 speed).

In comment 16474871 Eric from BBI said:

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In comment 16474861 SteelGiant said: Quote: I would love if fell to the 4th round My only concern with him would be the speed from handoff to the line of scrimmage which I always find difficult to determine difference between NFL and college. It might because I have nightmares from the Ron Dayne experience. Some times runners like this get to the pros and they dont hit stride fast enough and go down in the backfield before they build up enough inertia. But other than that concern I love him and fills a huge need for Giants. Need someone that can get short yardage and also be used to grind out tough yards late in a game. I think he also has potential to be used on a new age FB role, I would love to have a fullback but having someone like Estime could really improve the deception and functionality of an offense, so I would love the pick if they have confidence in him. 40 times are so overrated. Every player does not need to be a home run hitter, but I think Estime game speed is a lot faster than his 40 time. There is plenty of tape of him pulling away from secondary players, so he has enough speed. But his ability to grind runs is something this team has been missing since Jacobs/Bradshaw. Everyone used to talk about Barkley's quads, but they may have been the most underused quads in the NFL, he never learned how to use them properly. Part of me wants the big punishing back (think mini-Jacobs). But my guess is Daboll will fall in love with the guy from TN.

Benson is my favorite RB in this class, but I am not sure we will be able to draft a running back in the 3rd and Benson could go late in the 2nd.

But as far as a committee approach Estime near the top of list for me where need meets value for us this year.

I hated the Gray pick last year as soon as they made it. The one trait I loved from him was his route running and pass catching ability which we never even used last year which was perplexing but he was terrible at blocking so that is probably the reason.

But I would happy with
Singletary - solid overall back
Gray - pass catcher
Estime - short yardage/grinder

In comment 16474940 Vin_Cuccs said:

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Poor speed scores. 4.71 40 2.7 20 yard split 1.58 10 yard split No testing numbers for agility. Some solid explosion numbers thought (vertical jump and broad jump). I understand the tape is more important and he has put a lot of good stuff out there, but the combine numbers are at least a little worrisome.

And yet you see him running away from people.

Regardless, having a back who doesn't have break-away speed is not a deal breaker. I would argue that's not even in the top three most important things for a back.

Obviously would love to see Estime come in, he did have ball security issues in 2022. 3 fumbles lost, but only had 1 fumble on a much heavier workload in 2023. He plays faster than his combine numbers for sure, but my biggest gripe watching him play this year was no fault of his. ND called so many draw plays for him that didn't allow him to accelerate into the line of scrimmage. He's a downhill runner, and if you let him play that way he should be serviceable in the NFL.

In comment 16474953 emcca005 said:

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Obviously would love to see Estime come in, he did have ball security issues in 2022. 3 fumbles lost, but only had 1 fumble on a much heavier workload in 2023. He plays faster than his combine numbers for sure, but my biggest gripe watching him play this year was no fault of his. ND called so many draw plays for him that didn't allow him to accelerate into the line of scrimmage. He's a downhill runner, and if you let him play that way he should be serviceable in the NFL.

Which is why I'm not sure he's a right fit for Daboll. We'll see.

with very good power. Seen that play out well before with the Giants. Of course, it was with a very good OL and scheme that took advantage of it.

In comment 16474953 emcca005 said:

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Obviously would love to see Estime come in, he did have ball security issues in 2022. 3 fumbles lost, but only had 1 fumble on a much heavier workload in 2023. He plays faster than his combine numbers for sure, but my biggest gripe watching him play this year was no fault of his. ND called so many draw plays for him that didn't allow him to accelerate into the line of scrimmage. He's a downhill runner, and if you let him play that way he should be serviceable in the NFL.

"didn't allow him to accelerate into the line of scrimmage."

that is my biggest concern that I noticed. But in the NFL it is not the draw play call Im worrried about, its about our line not being awesome, if guys get back there a little quick Im not sure if Estime will be build enough momentum before his is touched.

But this why guys like him could fall the forth, but at that point the pick is worth the risk for me.

If Giants trade down an add some extra picks, they should target him at the end of day 2 IMO.

He has good vision and his speed is deceptive because of his size He did run behind a very good run blocking O-line at Notre Dame.

In comment 16474740 Eric from BBI said:

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of my favorite players in this draft.

Same. Power, downhill type runner.

In comment 16474740 Eric from BBI said:

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of my favorite players in this draft.

I like him too. I thought he showed really good burst, so I was surprised at his pedestrian sprint numbers. I think he could be available late.

In comment 16475070 Section331 said:

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In comment 16474740 Eric from BBI said: Quote: of my favorite players in this draft. I like him too. I thought he showed really good burst, so I was surprised at his pedestrian sprint numbers. I think he could be available late.

I just saw that pro scouts timed him in the 4.6 range at his pro day, so maybe he just had a bad day at the combine. I still think he would be there in the 4th.

I am a big fan of his. Might not have timed great but he moved fairly quick in games for a guy his size.

I thought Kyren Williams was going to go higher then the 5th round so curious to see where Estime falls.

so 4.6 isn't far off. Splitting hairs. Estime could be a great guy to partner with Singletary.