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NFT: NHL Playoff Thread and Misc Hockey - All Teams Discussion

pjcas18 : 4/19/2024 7:59 am
Welcome to the most exciting event in sports and the hardest trophy to win. The NHL Stanley Cup playoffs. I am sure NYR fans and NYI fans probably have game threads, but this thread for all hockey discussion. Including the playoffs, the U18s, World Championships, awards, predictions and draft lottery. Playoffs start Saturday with all series beginning either Saturday, Sunday or Monday. Most series are every other day with an occasional 2nd day for travel or other reasons. Schedule in link.

The playoff match ups are finally set with LAK win (and LVG loss).

Here they are:
East
NYR* (1M) vs WAS (WC2) (Starts Sunday)
CAR (2M) vs NYI (3M) (Starts Saturday)
FLA (1A) vs TBL (WC1) (Starts Sunday)
BOS (2A) vs TOR (3A) (Starts Saturday)

West
DAL (1C) vs LVG (WC2) (Starts Monday)
WIN (2C) vs COL (3C) (Starts Sunday)
VAN (1P) vs NSH (WC1) (Starts Sunday)
EDM (2P) vs LAK (3P) (Starts Monday)

* President's Trophy Winner

My Predictions:
NYR in 5
CAR in 6
FLA in 6
BOS in 7

DAL in 6
COL in 7
VAN in 5
EDM in 7

What am I rooting for? Game 7's and OT's.

On the other end? The lottery teams will be (order determined at draft lottery which is usually during the playoffs):

32. SJS
31. CHI
30. ANA
29. CBJ
28. MTL
27. ARI/UTA
26. OTT
25. SEA
24. CAL
23. NJD
22. BUF
21. PHI
20. MIN
19. PIT
18. DET
17. STL
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The best player of his time covers up a lot of flaws  
Greg from LI : 6/2/2024 11:15 pm : link
Edmonton is flawed, top heavy, and has a shaky goalie. They still can just put score everyone sometimes.
it will be a good final  
RasputinPrime : 6/3/2024 12:56 am : link
Florida has the better overall team but so did Dallas.
RE: it will be a good final  
pjcas18 : 6/3/2024 6:25 am : link
In comment 16529598 RasputinPrime said:
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Florida has the better overall team but so did Dallas.


Good luck, RP. No Canadian team has won a cup since the Habs in 1993 (as I am sure you know). I think McDavid needs a title to solidify his legacy. But in the end I'm hoping it goes 7 and every game is OT.
RE: ....  
Route 9 : 6/3/2024 7:20 am : link
In comment 16529576 BrettNYG10 said:
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I wish the Rangers put forth the effort DAL did tonight.

Skinner, who I've constantly shit on, was phenomenal tonight.

I'm surprised, this EDM team is so flawed, lol.


Rangers are a joke. Thanks to this clown team, I actually glanced at the Giants schedule for the first time.

By the time the Giants are 0-10, we'll be ready for Rangers hockey.
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Route 9 : 6/3/2024 7:21 am : link
Yikes I forgot about that time Edmonton lost in the SCF in 2006. That was 18 years ago.
RE: ....  
pjcas18 : 6/3/2024 7:22 am : link
In comment 16529576 BrettNYG10 said:
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I wish the Rangers put forth the effort DAL did tonight.

Skinner, who I've constantly shit on, was phenomenal tonight.

I'm surprised, this EDM team is so flawed, lol.


That's not NYR identity IMO. I viewed FLA as VERY similar to DAL. Look at those forward groups. DAL has more mobile D, but neither team has great defensive D.

I viewed the Rangers similar to the Oilers in that they'd need to capitalize on the PP to win their series. the Oilers did, the Rangers didn't. I didn't think the Rangers would beat the Panthers playing the Panthers (or Stars) style - and the two styles are different - the Stars don't play as heavy a game as the Panthers, but they still come at you in waves with a very deep forward group.

Edmonton had 10 freaking shots on net - the whole team. Jason Robertson had 9.

I don't think DAL had a ton of HDSC, but even with the volume they had I did not expect Stuart Skinner to pull this out.

EDM best shot vs FLA IMO is to do the same thing they did this series. Move their feet, force FLA to take penalties and capitalize on the PP. I am very much looking forward to see if EDM can expose the FLA D like BOS did, but NYR failed to do. If McDavid and co can use their speed it could be a difference maker.
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BrettNYG10 : 6/3/2024 8:29 am : link
You're right, of course. Two things.

1. I'd argue the 'Rangers thesis' of goaltending and powerplay was really close to working. 1/15 according to StatMuse this series (I didn't double check the numbers)! You only need to be 3/15, below season average, to win the series. 4/15 would have almost certainly had them in the SCF.

2. Why isn't the Rangers style more like that and should they try to get there? My view is yes, which is why I want them to keep Kakko. They need another PMD back there, but there's no reason they can't be a superior puck possession team.
And good luck, RP.  
BrettNYG10 : 6/3/2024 8:29 am : link
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I think the Rangers can get there  
pjcas18 : 6/3/2024 8:45 am : link
but it would require a roster overhaul. They don't have the forward depth and if you have one line that plays that way (like MTL) it is easy to exploit.

The Rangers scored 12 goals in a 6-game series. That included a 5-goal game 3. So, 7 goals in the other 5 games. Their forwards don't match up well vs other teams top lines (or other good teams top lines).
Yeah  
Route 9 : 6/3/2024 11:32 am : link
Yeah. None of them have that Messier killer instinct. None. How him and Leetch and Richter etc, did it once in my lifetime was just surreal.

They're the same as Gaborik, Nash, St Louis, Stepan, Callahan, McDonough, Chris Drury, Scott Gomez, Colton Orr, Ryan Hollweg. Ertc. All the same.

Different players, same result.

They're not the 1994 squad, none of them will ever be the 1994 squad. I was right ... again.

Just make me the president of the world and I'll float down from my desk and tell you what's what and who is who.
......  
Route 9 : 6/3/2024 11:34 am : link
Then again, we still have arguments to this day on this same place that some bag of garbage of a QB like Daniel Jones could be a good QB one day and he's the one who is held back instead of him being the reason why this team is being held back lol

EDmonton in 7. Canadian curse is over.
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Route 9 : 6/3/2024 11:43 am : link
Anyway, what's the difference between last year and this year with Florida I should get all excited about this matchup with EDmonton?

I remember thinking that Florida looked like a cup winner but had a "Rangers like run" and then Vegas just steamrolled them mostly in that series. I remember thinking that one would go seven.

Vegas just looked like a complete hockey team that played "real hockey" (what that is, I'll let you know) without the flash and big names.
Wheeler's  
pjcas18 : 6/3/2024 11:54 am : link
final draft rankings @ the Athletic.

4 D in the top 6.
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No one  
pjcas18 : 6/3/2024 2:58 pm : link
on either the Panthers or Oilers touched the Wales Trophy or Campbell Bowl.

I wouldn't either, I'm superstitious like that.
Just over three  
pjcas18 : 6/4/2024 10:56 am : link
weeks until the draft.

No surprise, article out today the Devils are willing to trade #10 for a goalie.

Doesn't mention which goalies, but I have to believe it's Ullmark, Saros/Askarov, even Gibson. I would say Hart, but not sure how/when that gets resolved. Maybe even Spencer Knight if he gets straightened out. I also wonder if they're looking at lesser options like Charlie Lindgren (last year of his deal) or Arturs Silovs (RFA) or even Tristan Jarry - how did he get so bad so fast?.

Link below.
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RE: Just over three  
BH28 : 6/4/2024 11:02 am : link
In comment 16530370 pjcas18 said:
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weeks until the draft.

No surprise, article out today the Devils are willing to trade #10 for a goalie.

Doesn't mention which goalies, but I have to believe it's Ullmark, Saros/Askarov, even Gibson. I would say Hart, but not sure how/when that gets resolved. Maybe even Spencer Knight if he gets straightened out. I also wonder if they're looking at lesser options like Charlie Lindgren (last year of his deal) or Arturs Silovs (RFA) or even Tristan Jarry - how did he get so bad so fast?.

Link below. link - ( New Window )


Allegedly the Devils tried Ullmark during the season but he wanted to try and win a ring with Boston.

I suspect he is the Devils top choice.
RE: RE: Just over three  
Stu11 : 6/4/2024 11:21 am : link
In comment 16530371 BH28 said:
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weeks until the draft.

No surprise, article out today the Devils are willing to trade #10 for a goalie.

Doesn't mention which goalies, but I have to believe it's Ullmark, Saros/Askarov, even Gibson. I would say Hart, but not sure how/when that gets resolved. Maybe even Spencer Knight if he gets straightened out. I also wonder if they're looking at lesser options like Charlie Lindgren (last year of his deal) or Arturs Silovs (RFA) or even Tristan Jarry - how did he get so bad so fast?.

Link below. link - ( New Window )



Allegedly the Devils tried Ullmark during the season but he wanted to try and win a ring with Boston.

I suspect he is the Devils top choice.

Yeah I read that too a week or so ago about Ullmark. If I were a betting man I'd say he is the most likely to be a Devil next year. Saros would be great but at some point you have to move on with Nashville heeming and hawing over trading him forever. I think its pretty much a sure thing Ullmark is moved this summer with his age and contract situation. NHL GM's are more interesting in that they are pretty open and hnes about what they offer, especially Fitz. He has been upfront about the trade talks he had all this past season.
Ullmark  
pjcas18 : 6/4/2024 11:52 am : link
has a 15 team M-NTC. Just need to hope the Devils aren't on the list.

Also, Ullmark has said he is fine to ride out one more year in BOS, even backing up Swayman, until he's a UFA. Side note..those two have become really close. I think Swayman is the godfather to one of Ullmark's kids and he (Swayman) dressed up as Santa Claus and visited the Ullmark kids on Christmas Eve the past couple years.

I can't imagine he wouldn't jump at a chance to start for a competitive team like the Devils though.
RE: Ullmark  
Greg from LI : 6/4/2024 11:58 am : link
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RE: RE: Ullmark  
pjcas18 : 6/4/2024 12:01 pm : link
In comment 16530427 Greg from LI said:
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lol, they should be competitive. they did suffer a lot of injuries last year and had a goalie worse than my sister in net. Tied for 5th most goals against in the whole league.

RE: RE: RE: Ullmark  
Stu11 : 6/4/2024 12:08 pm : link
In comment 16530430 pjcas18 said:
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lol, they should be competitive. they did suffer a lot of injuries last year and had a goalie worse than my sister in net. Tied for 5th most goals against in the whole league.

Ha ha even as a diehard Devs fan it seems a lot of stars have to be dragged kicking and screaming to NJ. I thought with this newer crew it got better but it seems with the difficulty Fitz had getting a goalie to agree to come here this past season it may still be tough.
Heh, I know  
Greg from LI : 6/4/2024 12:12 pm : link
Just getting my shots in while I can. They have plenty of talent, and could bounce back quickly with a decent goalie.
Joe Pavelski is retiring  
Greg from LI : 6/4/2024 12:41 pm : link
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RE: Joe Pavelski is retiring  
pjcas18 : 6/4/2024 1:08 pm : link
In comment 16530477 Greg from LI said:
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another member of the no rings club.

interesting case for the USA hockey hall of fame.

Wheeler  
pjcas18 : 6/4/2024 9:30 pm : link
considering retirement.
RE: RE: RE: Just over three  
Jay on the Island : 6/5/2024 1:49 pm : link
In comment 16530386 Stu11 said:
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Yeah I read that too a week or so ago about Ullmark. If I were a betting man I'd say he is the most likely to be a Devil next year. Saros would be great but at some point you have to move on with Nashville heeming and hawing over trading him forever. I think its pretty much a sure thing Ullmark is moved this summer with his age and contract situation. NHL GM's are more interesting in that they are pretty open and hnes about what they offer, especially Fitz. He has been upfront about the trade talks he had all this past season.

I think Nashville will just end up replacing Lankinen with Askarov as Saros' backup. Then they will roll with Saros and Askarov for years like they did with Rinne and Saros.
What happened to the Rangers postmortem thread??  
Greg from LI : 6/5/2024 2:28 pm : link
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RE: What happened to the Rangers postmortem thread??  
pjcas18 : 6/5/2024 2:43 pm : link
In comment 16531337 Greg from LI said:
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probably was deleted because Anakim was cyber bullying Jacob Trouba. lol.
Konsta  
pjcas18 : 6/5/2024 3:51 pm : link
Helenius turning heads at the combine.

He pulled off a rare triple (U18, U20 and Worlds) in the same year.

Slafkovsky had a unique quadruple his draft year (12 month period before the draft), U18 Hlinka, juniors (U20), worlds and Olympics.

Helenius is a typical fin, solid in all facets, including defense.
RE: What happened to the Rangers postmortem thread??  
BrettNYG10 : 6/5/2024 5:00 pm : link
In comment 16531337 Greg from LI said:
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We are done crying and moving on to planning the 2025 parade.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Just over three  
Stu11 : 6/5/2024 6:07 pm : link
In comment 16531295 Jay on the Island said:
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Yeah I read that too a week or so ago about Ullmark. If I were a betting man I'd say he is the most likely to be a Devil next year. Saros would be great but at some point you have to move on with Nashville heeming and hawing over trading him forever. I think its pretty much a sure thing Ullmark is moved this summer with his age and contract situation. NHL GM's are more interesting in that they are pretty open and hnes about what they offer, especially Fitz. He has been upfront about the trade talks he had all this past season.


I think Nashville will just end up replacing Lankinen with Askarov as Saros' backup. Then they will roll with Saros and Askarov for years like they did with Rinne and Saros.

Yeah Jay I think that's realistic. They have a great cap situation with only Josi & Forsberg making real money. They can afford to extend Saros and keep that tandem together. Ullmark is more interesting. If PJ is right I guess he could stay in Boston if he's content to play 2nd fiddle to Swayman. That having been said I think Boston could be eager to make improvements and at age 30 might not want to extend him. In which case it boils down to getting him to agree to go if they look to deal him. We'll see but if neither him nor Saros are available it could be a nightmare scenario for NJ. I don't see another legit #1 goalie out there likely to be available and worth trading #10 for. Markstrom could be a 1-2 year solution but I would not trade #10 for him.
What if Ullmark  
pjcas18 : 6/5/2024 8:22 pm : link
goes to CAR (for Necas or similar) would Kochetkov be interesting to you Devils fans?

RE: What if Ullmark  
Stu11 : 6/5/2024 8:34 pm : link
In comment 16531560 pjcas18 said:
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goes to CAR (for Necas or similar) would Kochetkov be interesting to you Devils fans?

You think Carolina would trade him? They don't love to shell out for free agents so I could see Ullmark being a 1 year rental for them if they make a trade like that.
Well CAR still has  
pjcas18 : 6/6/2024 7:43 am : link
Andersen (1 year @ $3.4M) and Kochetkov (3 more years @ $2M) under contract.

If they trade for Ullmark as a rental then I guess they view it as a one-year thing and Kochetkov is their guy, but not sure I see them giving up Necas for a rental and you don't need Ullmark long-term and Kochetkov long-term.

Goalies often aren't like position players, they can still be good through their 30's. Ullmark is just 30 now.
RE: What happened to the Rangers postmortem thread??  
Route 9 : 6/6/2024 12:33 pm : link
In comment 16531337 Greg from LI said:
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Same thing that happened the 19 other times they bombed out in the playoffs with a series lead
Speaking  
pjcas18 : 6/6/2024 12:48 pm : link
of Rangers...article today on THW says Igor's contract could be ~$12M per season per a "well respected Rangers pundit"


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Route 9 : 6/6/2024 1:29 pm : link
Doesn't matter lol

You're not going to win a cup even with Igor or Lundqvist or whoever as your goalie scoring 1.6 goals in a series deep into the playoffs.
RE: ......  
pjcas18 : 6/6/2024 3:12 pm : link
In comment 16531992 Route 9 said:
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Doesn't matter lol

You're not going to win a cup even with Igor or Lundqvist or whoever as your goalie scoring 1.6 goals in a series deep into the playoffs.


they lost three one-goal games (games 4, 5, and 6). Disappointing for sure, and the late scores skew it slightly, but the PP was more a function of why they lost than anything else IMO.
Random analytics question, not sure if there is an answer  
BH28 : 6/6/2024 3:23 pm : link
I know in the NFL, that one score games are essentially coin flips. Your record in those on a year to year basis is more chance based due to the variability in the game than a determiantion of the skill of the team.

Is that the same with OT in NHL?
RE: Random analytics question, not sure if there is an answer  
pjcas18 : 6/6/2024 6:53 pm : link
In comment 16532080 BH28 said:
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I know in the NFL, that one score games are essentially coin flips. Your record in those on a year to year basis is more chance based due to the variability in the game than a determiantion of the skill of the team.

Is that the same with OT in NHL?


OT in the playoffs I think is probably more of a coin flip, OT in the regular season not so much because OT in the regular season is 3v3 so skill really shines. but...it's just 5 min and then a shootout.
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Route 9 : 6/8/2024 9:05 am : link
They lost because the big names didn't produce when it mattered the most ... again. Igor's the reason why that series went 6 games carrying (soft as baby shit) Kreider, Panarin, and the biggest joke there is, Mika. Sorry, but that's just the way it goes.

It's not a disappointment when I basically called it by saying this team wasn't battle tested for the playoffs, yet people seem to not like the truth.

I'm gonna go with EDmonton in 7 games.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Just over three  
Jay on the Island : 6/8/2024 9:24 pm : link
In comment 16531463 Stu11 said:
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Yeah Jay I think that's realistic. They have a great cap situation with only Josi & Forsberg making real money. They can afford to extend Saros and keep that tandem together. Ullmark is more interesting. If PJ is right I guess he could stay in Boston if he's content to play 2nd fiddle to Swayman. That having been said I think Boston could be eager to make improvements and at age 30 might not want to extend him. In which case it boils down to getting him to agree to go if they look to deal him. We'll see but if neither him nor Saros are available it could be a nightmare scenario for NJ. I don't see another legit #1 goalie out there likely to be available and worth trading #10 for. Markstrom could be a 1-2 year solution but I would not trade #10 for him.

I want the Devils to land either Saros, Ullmark, or Askarov if possible. If those three are off the table then I would rather see the Devils go for Spencer Knight in hopes that a change of scenery does him well. I am not a fan of trading for Markstrom due to his age. If Fitzgerald trades the 10th overall pick for Markstrom then he should be fired unless the Flames take back Palat and his contract in the deal.
Nurse and Cici  
JT039 : 6/8/2024 9:26 pm : link
Have been dominant for Florida tonight.
Unbelievable  
Jay on the Island : 6/13/2024 11:14 am : link
The Devils are retaining goaltender coach Dave Rogalski. He is entering his fifth season with the Devils. There hasn't been a single goaltender that he gotten better under his watch. There have been several articles over the past 2-3 years detailing the poor performance by Rogalski yet he continues to keep his job under a third HC.
My cousin has an inside source  
Jay on the Island : 6/16/2024 3:35 pm : link
He spoke to him last night and he was told Markstrom to the Devils is done and will be announced in the next few days. According to the source Holtz is part of the deal and more. I am just praying that the 10th overall pick is not apart of the deal or I will completely turn on Fitzgerald.
I don't hate Markstrom  
pjcas18 : 6/16/2024 3:55 pm : link
but he's also not a needle mover for me.

On the plus side he has 3 top 10 Vezina finishes the past 6 years, the down side is the other three years he wasn't very good.

Players like Holtz (players who have their shot as their carrying tool) are getting bumped down the draft lately, so I would think it means they have seen enough - but I hate giving up on young talent a year too soon instead of a year too late, but if he's not going to get a shot may as well roll the dice. but he would be my centerpiece, not #10 too.

Also, with Markstrom signed *just* through next year (2025-2026) it doesn't prevent the Devils from a: making a deadline move in March for a goalie if he's not the guy or b: signing someone after the season like Ullmark or Saros should they make it to FA.

and who knows what happens with Carter Hart by then.
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Route 9 : 6/16/2024 7:06 pm : link
Wasn't that the case in 93? Gretzky had a shit ton of points in a SCF losing effort and the trophy went to Roy.
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Route 9 : 6/16/2024 7:07 pm : link
Wrong thread lol?
RE: My cousin has an inside source  
Stu11 : 6/16/2024 8:47 pm : link
In comment 16537892 Jay on the Island said:
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He spoke to him last night and he was told Markstrom to the Devils is done and will be announced in the next few days. According to the source Holtz is part of the deal and more. I am just praying that the 10th overall pick is not apart of the deal or I will completely turn on Fitzgerald.

Meh listen it's an upgrade over what the Devs had in net this past year. Not exactly the upgrade that will get me hopping excited for next season. I agree if the package is headed by Holtz it's fine. If #10 is involved that would be nuts.
I just got an update on the Markstrom rumor  
Jay on the Island : 6/17/2024 9:53 am : link
The 10th overall pick is not involved so that's good news. I agree with PJ I am not a big fan of Markstrom. He should be an upgrade over what they had last season but I would not expect him to perform like he did 3 seasons ago.
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