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NFT: NHL Playoff Thread and Misc Hockey - All Teams Discussion

pjcas18 : 4/19/2024 7:59 am
Welcome to the most exciting event in sports and the hardest trophy to win. The NHL Stanley Cup playoffs. I am sure NYR fans and NYI fans probably have game threads, but this thread for all hockey discussion. Including the playoffs, the U18s, World Championships, awards, predictions and draft lottery. Playoffs start Saturday with all series beginning either Saturday, Sunday or Monday. Most series are every other day with an occasional 2nd day for travel or other reasons. Schedule in link.

The playoff match ups are finally set with LAK win (and LVG loss).

Here they are:
East
NYR* (1M) vs WAS (WC2) (Starts Sunday)
CAR (2M) vs NYI (3M) (Starts Saturday)
FLA (1A) vs TBL (WC1) (Starts Sunday)
BOS (2A) vs TOR (3A) (Starts Saturday)

West
DAL (1C) vs LVG (WC2) (Starts Monday)
WIN (2C) vs COL (3C) (Starts Sunday)
VAN (1P) vs NSH (WC1) (Starts Sunday)
EDM (2P) vs LAK (3P) (Starts Monday)

* President's Trophy Winner

My Predictions:
NYR in 5
CAR in 6
FLA in 6
BOS in 7

DAL in 6
COL in 7
VAN in 5
EDM in 7

What am I rooting for? Game 7's and OT's.

On the other end? The lottery teams will be (order determined at draft lottery which is usually during the playoffs):

32. SJS
31. CHI
30. ANA
29. CBJ
28. MTL
27. ARI/UTA
26. OTT
25. SEA
24. CAL
23. NJD
22. BUF
21. PHI
20. MIN
19. PIT
18. DET
17. STL
Playoff Schedule - ( New Window )
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The Bruins  
pjcas18 : 4/21/2024 2:03 pm : link
really manipulated this system. You get nothing for winning your division, especially as the conference 2 seed. Once it was clear they wouldn't catch the Rangers they got the opponent they wanted.

I'm still not sold on TBL going on a long run, but they're a much tougher match up for BOS (or anyone) than TOR. And it's not like TOR has no talent, with or without Nylander, but goalie as usual is their Achilles heel and they don't have depth.
If the Panthers lose  
pjcas18 : 4/21/2024 2:05 pm : link
it will be because their D - same as last year.

Very deep forwards, Bobrovsky he recaptured the fountain of youth, but other than Forsling they don't have good defensive D.
.  
pjcas18 : 4/21/2024 2:22 pm : link
Chris Johnston
@reporterchris
William Nylander was among the #leafs who took part in a highly optional skate in Boston this afternoon. It's the first time he's been spotted on the ice since Wednesday's game in Tampa.
no one needs to sell Bolts to me  
ColHowPepper : 4/21/2024 2:30 pm : link
Cooper has an edge, bit like Brind’amour and the team is so resourceful, vet talent galore and very much in their prime. Embarrassed NY last time out
What a pass by Barkov  
pjcas18 : 4/21/2024 2:32 pm : link
FLA with the PP goal. up in 2-1 early 3rd.
RE: No idea why Nylander  
Diversify yo bonds : 4/21/2024 2:49 pm : link
In comment 16477508 pjcas18 said:
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is out.

I wonder if any other player has played all 82 regular season games and then missed a playoff game.

Pageau, about two hours before
TBL  
pjcas18 : 4/21/2024 2:56 pm : link
pulls goalie with 3 min left.
RE: RE: No idea why Nylander  
pjcas18 : 4/21/2024 2:56 pm : link
In comment 16478141 Diversify yo bonds said:
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is out.

I wonder if any other player has played all 82 regular season games and then missed a playoff game.



Pageau, about two hours before


I guess it happens. seems like it has to be rare.
hate the EN so early  
ColHowPepper : 4/21/2024 2:57 pm : link
Pointe nearly invisible until that swipe
Tkachuk  
pjcas18 : 4/21/2024 2:58 pm : link
with the ENG to make the comeback harder
RE: hate the EN so early  
pjcas18 : 4/21/2024 2:58 pm : link
In comment 16478155 ColHowPepper said:
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Pointe nearly invisible until that swipe


apparently all the analytics say it's the right thing to do, but I hate it too.

he’s so dang big  
ColHowPepper : 4/21/2024 3:04 pm : link
how did Stamkos get it over his shoulder and under the x-bar?
Perfect shot  
pjcas18 : 4/21/2024 3:05 pm : link
by Stamkos.

but that was a very weak penalty call on the cross check. I wonder if they call it if it was a 1-goal game.
Wichusen (?)  
ColHowPepper : 4/21/2024 3:07 pm : link
far and away best pbp guy imo
RE: Wichusen (?)  
pjcas18 : 4/21/2024 3:17 pm : link
In comment 16478170 ColHowPepper said:
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far and away best pbp guy imo

I think all the ESPN guys are good.

Bob Wischusen. He's awesome and I like Ryan Callahan as the broadcast analyst more than as a studio analyst.

Rangers Caps get Sean McDonough who is also really good with Ray Ferraro who I don't love. - like his commentary, hate his voice.

Looking forward to Col-Win  
Rob in Rockaway : 4/21/2024 6:48 pm : link
after a relatively stress free Rangers win. Avalanche super high end talent vs Hely and Scheiffle. What else to look for? I don't see much WC play.
RE: Looking forward to Col-Win  
pjcas18 : 4/21/2024 7:00 pm : link
In comment 16478479 Rob in Rockaway said:
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after a relatively stress free Rangers win. Avalanche super high end talent vs Hely and Scheiffle. What else to look for? I don't see much WC play.


The biggest question for me is in the Av's net. Georgiev (tonights starter) was a circus the second half and Annunen was streaky. Georgiev also though has the ability to be stellar - who shows up?

The Jets had a great trade deadline IMO.

They got Sean Monahan from MTL and Tyler Toffoli from NJD - both are on their second line (along with very good Nikolaj Ehlers) and both can do everything. Love watching that line play.

Kyle Connor on WIN's top line is a sneaky goal scorer. Wicked shot.

Some former Rangers on the Jets roster. Namestnikov is on the 4th line and Neal Pionk on their 3rd D pair.

The Avs big deadline add was Mittelstad from BUF - and also a D - Sean Walker from PHI. former Rangers on COL are the aforementioned Georgiev and Jack Johnson (he played a year in NY, right?)

Losing Drouin will hurt COL and moves Zach Parise up to their 1st line.
All that said  
pjcas18 : 4/21/2024 7:02 pm : link
if you don't watch COL you will notice MacKinnon and Makar just play at a different speed than everyone else.

There are times I watch MacKinnon and I feel like he's as dominant as McDavid - and Makar sometimes I feel like is what Bobby Orr must have been like. Neither MacKinnon or Makar are as good as McDavid or Orr but you get the point.

This will be a fun series to watch.
RE: All that said  
Rob in Rockaway : 4/21/2024 7:12 pm : link
In comment 16478496 pjcas18 said:
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if you don't watch COL you will notice MacKinnon and Makar just play at a different speed than everyone else.

There are times I watch MacKinnon and I feel like he's as dominant as McDavid - and Makar sometimes I feel like is what Bobby Orr must have been like. Neither MacKinnon or Makar are as good as McDavid or Orr but you get the point.

This will be a fun series to watch.


Thanks PJ good stuff. Johnson is still being villified by Rangers fans for how bad he was the time he played here. As usual with everything Rangers, it's blown out of proportion.
I always  
pjcas18 : 4/21/2024 7:20 pm : link
felt bad for Jack Johnson because of how his family robbed him. Glad to see him still on an NHL roster and glad to see him win a cup and hopefully he recovered financially. Plus I like most of the American players. I vaguely remember him on the Rangers and I think he barely played, and I'm pretty sure he was paid like Blake Wheeler was (vet min), lol, so fans always find a target.
Laser by Nichusken  
Rob in Rockaway : 4/21/2024 7:22 pm : link
1-0 Col
RE: I always  
Rob in Rockaway : 4/21/2024 7:23 pm : link
In comment 16478522 pjcas18 said:
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felt bad for Jack Johnson because of how his family robbed him. Glad to see him still on an NHL roster and glad to see him win a cup and hopefully he recovered financially. Plus I like most of the American players. I vaguely remember him on the Rangers and I think he barely played, and I'm pretty sure he was paid like Blake Wheeler was (vet min), lol, so fans always find a target.


That story was just horrendous. Both parents involved. Borrowed high leverage loans against his future earnings.
Tie game  
pjcas18 : 4/21/2024 7:26 pm : link
Morrisey through a screen.
RE: Tie game  
Rob in Rockaway : 4/21/2024 7:27 pm : link
In comment 16478532 pjcas18 said:
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Morrisey through a screen.


Did you think that was a little soft by Georgiev?
RE: RE: Tie game  
pjcas18 : 4/21/2024 7:30 pm : link
In comment 16478533 Rob in Rockaway said:
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Morrisey through a screen.



Did you think that was a little soft by Georgiev?


I think practically every goal from the point that isn't tipped is soft, lol, but they didn't show a good view to see the screen.

If CHP is watching, as a former goalie he'd have a good perspective.

what did you think? Did you get a good view?
2-1 Win  
Rob in Rockaway : 4/21/2024 7:35 pm : link
I have absolutely no dog in this fight, but can't help pull for the Jets. Their fans are all in. Packed arena as you would expect, but they got watch parties going on as well. Whole City, or whatever they are is stoked.
man  
pjcas18 : 4/21/2024 7:40 pm : link
this game turned quickly.
Wow 2 quick ones by Col  
Rob in Rockaway : 4/21/2024 7:41 pm : link
I know that second one was McKinnon, but still looked very soft.
a 6  
pjcas18 : 4/21/2024 7:42 pm : link
goal 1st period. and it's not over yet.
Wow 3-3  
Rob in Rockaway : 4/21/2024 7:42 pm : link
I wish I had the over!
Great pace  
pjcas18 : 4/21/2024 8:45 pm : link
to the game, just one goal (WIN) in the 2nd - they lead 4-3.

Parise just cannot keep up with MacKinnon. Not sure what you can do, they lost Drouin, but maybe put Lehkonen up there.

Georgiev has had bad moments, but came up big end of the period to keep it a one goal game.
Off both posts and just barely in  
Rob in Rockaway : 4/21/2024 9:10 pm : link
5-3. Crazy game
that is crazy  
pjcas18 : 4/21/2024 9:12 pm : link
I still didn't see a definitive angle on it. Not sure how they overturn the on-ice call. Unless I just missed it.
6-3  
pjcas18 : 4/21/2024 9:13 pm : link
now, this is probably over, but never know with COL
Georgiev saw that but didn't get over in time. Probably time to pull  
Rob in Rockaway : 4/21/2024 9:15 pm : link
him. Avalanche have the firepower to get back in it though.
They said  
pjcas18 : 4/21/2024 9:16 pm : link
Annunen is sick and unavailable.

So doubt they bring in 3rd goalie.

COL needs to score on this PP.
COL  
pjcas18 : 4/21/2024 9:21 pm : link
does score on the PP then Connor gets it back.

Some of this is not just Georgiev, the COL D is pretty porous.
This is a track meet.  
pjcas18 : 4/21/2024 9:28 pm : link
7-5 now with the Makar pp goal.
7-6 Final. Great game.  
Rob in Rockaway : 4/21/2024 9:59 pm : link
This series is must watch. I didn't realize the Avs #2 goalie was unavailable until right at the end.
RE: COL  
BleedBlue46 : 4/21/2024 10:05 pm : link
In comment 16478659 pjcas18 said:
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does score on the PP then Connor gets it back.

Some of this is not just Georgiev, the COL D is pretty porous.


Colorado d is awful. They're terrible at physically preventing guys from making plays near the crease. It's a constant problem and has been for years. You watch the Jets and they don't let anyone make plays around the net, most of the Jets goals were more on Avs D than Georgie. Not to say he had no blame, but he has terrible defense in front of him.
RE: All that said  
BleedBlue46 : 4/21/2024 10:11 pm : link
In comment 16478496 pjcas18 said:
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if you don't watch COL you will notice MacKinnon and Makar just play at a different speed than everyone else.

There are times I watch MacKinnon and I feel like he's as dominant as McDavid - and Makar sometimes I feel like is what Bobby Orr must have been like. Neither MacKinnon or Makar are as good as McDavid or Orr but you get the point.

This will be a fun series to watch.


Mackinnon is a totally different player than McDavid. Mac is a power skater and very physical, McDavid is a finesser.
I haven't followed Nashville all year  
schabadoo : 4/21/2024 10:17 pm : link
They have any chance to make this an interesting series?

Canucks and Maple Leafs are fun to watch with their playoff struggles.
RE: I haven't followed Nashville all year  
BleedBlue46 : 4/21/2024 10:30 pm : link
In comment 16478702 schabadoo said:
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They have any chance to make this an interesting series?

Canucks and Maple Leafs are fun to watch with their playoff struggles.


Yes Nashville is gritty and scrappy and always down for a dogfight. Rather were recently one of the hottest teams in the league. They love being extremely physical and punishing the opposition. Forsberg is their top playmaker. No one wanted to face them in rd1.
I see what you mean  
schabadoo : 4/21/2024 10:39 pm : link
Thanks
RE: RE: All that said  
pjcas18 : 4/22/2024 7:29 am : link
In comment 16478696 BleedBlue46 said:
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if you don't watch COL you will notice MacKinnon and Makar just play at a different speed than everyone else.

There are times I watch MacKinnon and I feel like he's as dominant as McDavid - and Makar sometimes I feel like is what Bobby Orr must have been like. Neither MacKinnon or Makar are as good as McDavid or Orr but you get the point.

This will be a fun series to watch.



Mackinnon is a totally different player than McDavid. Mac is a power skater and very physical, McDavid is a finesser.


lol

McDavid is not a "finesser" his style is closer to Crosby than Gretzky which is part of what makes him so unique, but where did I say they were the same player? I said at times I feel like MacKinnon is as dominant as McDavid. A finesse player is Panarin or Jack Hughes, Johnny Gaudreau but McDavid is not a finesse player.

2023 hit stats (not the perfect measure but as good a one as we have for this topic):

McDavid: 118
MacKinnon: 55
Jack Hughes: 10
Panarin: 18
Gaudreau: 2

Gaudreau has less hits in a 11 year career than McDavid had in 2023.

Not a finesse player.
With VAN  
pjcas18 : 4/22/2024 7:33 am : link
pulling out the win, all 6 home teams won so far.

Tonight the final 2 series start (EMDvsLAK @10pm and DALvsLVG @9:30pm)

Plus game 2 in CARvsNYI (CAR leads 1-0) @7:30pm and BOSvsTOR (BOS leads 1-0) @7pm

Game 1 winners win the series 2/3rds of the time.

RE: Tie game  
ColHowPepper : 4/22/2024 9:35 am : link
In comment 16478537 pjcas18 said:
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I think practically every goal from the point that isn't tipped is soft, lol, but they didn't show a good view to see the screen.

If CHP is watching, as a former goalie he'd have a good perspective.

what did you think? Did you get a good view?

I was watching. There was such traffic, so many bodies at the crease and a couple moving in the slot can't see as how he did. Even if you do "see" it, it's so late as to make a reaction look weak and wobbly because the mind/eye to gun hands reaction is confused. It's on you before you know it.

So much fire power. It is fun and the town on the prairie is stoked. Can't help but root for Bowman, no?
Nylander  
pjcas18 : 4/22/2024 11:07 am : link
questionable for tonight.

a couple seasons ago, Edmonton set a record for the most post-season losses in a single post-season when you score 5 or more goals in the game. I know it's one game but COL could break that.
USA lines for yesterdays  
pjcas18 : 4/22/2024 1:16 pm : link
W over Sweden in U18 prelims (8-5)

Hagens is an underager (2025 draft eligible), Eiserman will be a top 15 pick in the 2024 draft. Hutson (Lane's younger brother) will also be a 1st/2nd round pick in 2024, and more. should be a competitive squad.

I love the Canes hate  
Jints in Carolina : 4/22/2024 1:32 pm : link
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