Art Stapleton
@art_stapleton
Been hearing rumblings that the Vikings likely have parameters of a deal in place if their QB is on the clock, whether that's at 3, 4 or 5.
Would imagine the Giants will know a price for them as well, should Joe Schoen decide to move up from 6.
That'll be their effort in the days leading up to the draft. It's the only way to be prepared to make a deal while on the clock - without giving away their plans.
I suggest going back and watching the Giants Life doc from last year to truly get a sense of how Schoen (and others unafraid to move) operate.
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Just to be clear on this: it's speculation from others around the league that makes a lot of sense. If I get anything more concrete, I'd report it as such. But for now, it's just loose expectation and nothing more. Not trying to mislead anyone.
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Just to be clear on this: it's speculation from others around the league that makes a lot of sense. If I get anything more concrete, I'd report it as such. But for now, it's just loose expectation and nothing more. Not trying to mislead anyone.
Can't wait for this week to be over.
Eric, you might not have seen my response on the other thread. But didn't Rico vaguely say the Giants liked McCarthy? Or am I misremembering?
If they like JJM and figure out a way to move down then back up to 4 for JJM and they net a 2025 1st plus the qb they want they could make out like bandits IF JJM turns out to be the goods. Unless they want Nix, then this is the only way I see them moving off 3.
It's hard to keep track of all of this stuff.
Some of the regular asshats have been pretty quiet this week.
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Art Stapleton
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Just to be clear on this: it's speculation from others around the league that makes a lot of sense. If I get anything more concrete, I'd report it as such. But for now, it's just loose expectation and nothing more. Not trying to mislead anyone.
Can't wait for this week to be over.
Eric, you might not have seen my response on the other thread. But didn't Rico vaguely say the Giants liked McCarthy? Or am I misremembering?
Where? I missed it, I've seen 2 asshat reports say we wouldn't even take him at 6.
They don't need a Qb in a worse way than the Giants.
I agree, i think the Pats are going to demand even more than that to move down that far with Minn: #11,#23, '25-1st & 2nd
I think Peppers hinted at McCarthy during the combine.
It’s the calm before the storm…
@rydunleavy
Just talked to one #nfldraft scout about WRs. He has Marvin Harrison Jr. ranked No. 1 and a virtual tie between Rome Odunze and Malik Nabers (ties happen, see #Giants grades on Evan Neal and Ikem Ekwonu). Could let the roster break the tie by pairing up complements.
"If you have the fast, separation guy, take Rome Odunze. If you have the physical, contested-catch guy, take Malik Nabers."
I think it's the other way around
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I just checked... four of the five guys I pay attention to on this site haven't posted anything substantial in a week.
I think Peppers hinted at McCarthy during the combine.
Ah!! That's why I couldn't find it. It was peppers.. let me look.
It's hard to keep track of all of this stuff.
Some of the regular asshats have been pretty quiet this week.
A while back, when GoDeep shared his info on the Jones injury situation, he indicated he had more he wished to share but was told to hold off until a week out. I've been wondering if we're going to hear from him.
All he said was a reply to you saying JJM is the wildcard with ...
Not very definitive, but perhaps hinting to us liking him. It's either we don't like him or we are doing everything possible to get him to drop to 6 by even having insiders tell friends he won't be drafted by the nyg.
I concur...let him remian until 6 so we can fleece the Vikings
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Are the key to this draft. Are the Vikings desperate enough to trade a haul for the 3rd? (11,23, next years first, and another mid round pick). I think they would but the issue is does New England want to trade down that far? They have nothing at QB and they need to come out of this draft with a QB more than we do.
I agree, i think the Pats are going to demand even more than that to move down that far with Minn: #11,#23, '25-1st & 2nd
They don't have a 2025 2nd
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Ryan Dunleavy
@rydunleavy
Just talked to one #nfldraft scout about WRs. He has Marvin Harrison Jr. ranked No. 1 and a virtual tie between Rome Odunze and Malik Nabers (ties happen, see #Giants grades on Evan Neal and Ikem Ekwonu). Could let the roster break the tie by pairing up complements.
"If you have the fast, separation guy, take Rome Odunze. If you have the physical, contested-catch guy, take Malik Nabers."
I think it's the other way around
What he means is that if your team has the physical contested catch guy you take Nabers. If your team has the fast separation guy, then you take Odunze. We are the latter, we have the fast separation guy (Hyatt).
project these guys into that situation, because that's what we are really talking about.
ALL of these guys can make the routine throws, with no pressure, guy is open or has position.
Can they make the throw, when they have to have it. Its a matter of confidence, personality, the "it" factor, as well as arm talent.
I believe both Maye and McCarthy HAVE shown that ability.
Both are worth the high pick, either at 6 or with a trade up.
Opinions??
I think he’s saying if a team already has a guy similar to Nabers, take Odunze and vice versa
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Ryan Dunleavy
@rydunleavy
Just talked to one #nfldraft scout about WRs. He has Marvin Harrison Jr. ranked No. 1 and a virtual tie between Rome Odunze and Malik Nabers (ties happen, see #Giants grades on Evan Neal and Ikem Ekwonu). Could let the roster break the tie by pairing up complements.
"If you have the fast, separation guy, take Rome Odunze. If you have the physical, contested-catch guy, take Malik Nabers."
I think it's the other way around
What he means is that if your team has the physical contested catch guy you take Nabers. If your team has the fast separation guy, then you take Odunze. We are the latter, we have the fast separation guy (Hyatt).
Yep, he has it correct.
For sure, it did seem like a bit of an Easter egg hint. Then again, that was before the combine. It would be wild if Schoen had everyone telling friends they will not draft JJM in hopes of getting him at 6. JJM on the nyg would be a topic of Daniel Jones proportions.
@rydunleavy
Just talked to one #nfldraft scout about WRs. He has Marvin Harrison Jr. ranked No. 1 and a virtual tie between Rome Odunze and Malik Nabers (ties happen, see #Giants grades on Evan Neal and Ikem Ekwonu). Could let the roster break the tie by pairing up complements.
"If you have the fast, separation guy, take Rome Odunze. If you have the physical, contested-catch guy, take Malik Nabers."
What if you don't have either? For example, like if you were...the Giants.
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Ryan Dunleavy
@rydunleavy
Just talked to one #nfldraft scout about WRs. He has Marvin Harrison Jr. ranked No. 1 and a virtual tie between Rome Odunze and Malik Nabers (ties happen, see #Giants grades on Evan Neal and Ikem Ekwonu). Could let the roster break the tie by pairing up complements.
"If you have the fast, separation guy, take Rome Odunze. If you have the physical, contested-catch guy, take Malik Nabers."
What if you don't have either? For example, like if you were...the Giants.
Hyatt is a fast separation guy. Dj just can't do it
I'd be shocked if NE doesn't go QB and how can Arizona pass on the best player in the draft at #4? Especially when they already have a lot of picks.
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Ryan Dunleavy
@rydunleavy
Just talked to one #nfldraft scout about WRs. He has Marvin Harrison Jr. ranked No. 1 and a virtual tie between Rome Odunze and Malik Nabers (ties happen, see #Giants grades on Evan Neal and Ikem Ekwonu). Could let the roster break the tie by pairing up complements.
"If you have the fast, separation guy, take Rome Odunze. If you have the physical, contested-catch guy, take Malik Nabers."
What if you don't have either? For example, like if you were...the Giants.
Hyatt is a fast separation guy. Dj just can't do it
Hyatt also had Tyrod and Tommy throwing to him. I'm a big believer in Hyatt's potential, but he barely accomplished anything last year.
Relatedly, BBI overrates the sh** out of Wan'Dale and Hyatt. These guys have barely done anything in this league. Young receivers come into this league and crush it all the time. Potential is not enough, unless you want to stay being the Giants for the past decade.
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Just to be clear on this: it's speculation from others around the league that makes a lot of sense. If I get anything more concrete, I'd report it as such. But for now, it's just loose expectation and nothing more. Not trying to mislead anyone.
He seems like a nice guy but he’s always doing this. Not really a reliable source but none of the Giants beats are.
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Ryan Dunleavy
@rydunleavy
Just talked to one #nfldraft scout about WRs. He has Marvin Harrison Jr. ranked No. 1 and a virtual tie between Rome Odunze and Malik Nabers (ties happen, see #Giants grades on Evan Neal and Ikem Ekwonu). Could let the roster break the tie by pairing up complements.
"If you have the fast, separation guy, take Rome Odunze. If you have the physical, contested-catch guy, take Malik Nabers."
What if you don't have either? For example, like if you were...the Giants.
Hyatt is a fast separation guy. Dj just can't do it
Hyatt also had Tyrod and Tommy throwing to him. I'm a big believer in Hyatt's potential, but he barely accomplished anything last year.
Relatedly, BBI overrates the sh** out of Wan'Dale and Hyatt. These guys have barely done anything in this league. Young receivers come into this league and crush it all the time. Potential is not enough, unless you want to stay being the Giants for the past decade.
Just to play devils advocate, its tough for Hyatt to look good when the QB never throws him the ball. I remember numerous games when lots of people were saying Hyatt was always open, but DJ continued to just check down
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Ryan Dunleavy
@rydunleavy
Just talked to one #nfldraft scout about WRs. He has Marvin Harrison Jr. ranked No. 1 and a virtual tie between Rome Odunze and Malik Nabers (ties happen, see #Giants grades on Evan Neal and Ikem Ekwonu). Could let the roster break the tie by pairing up complements.
"If you have the fast, separation guy, take Rome Odunze. If you have the physical, contested-catch guy, take Malik Nabers."
What if you don't have either? For example, like if you were...the Giants.
Hyatt is a fast separation guy. Dj just can't do it
Hyatt also had Tyrod and Tommy throwing to him. I'm a big believer in Hyatt's potential, but he barely accomplished anything last year.
Relatedly, BBI overrates the sh** out of Wan'Dale and Hyatt. These guys have barely done anything in this league. Young receivers come into this league and crush it all the time. Potential is not enough, unless you want to stay being the Giants for the past decade.
Just to play devils advocate, its tough for Hyatt to look good when the QB never throws him the ball. I remember numerous games when lots of people were saying Hyatt was always open, but DJ continued to just check down
You may be right, and like I said, I'm a big Hyatt fan. But if we're going to hold DJ accountable for being bad even though the rest of the offense was also bad, we should do the same with the receivers.
I can’t keep track of all of this anymore and I’m starting to go crazy
@rydunleavy
Just talked to one #nfldraft scout about WRs. He has Marvin Harrison Jr. ranked No. 1 and a virtual tie between Rome Odunze and Malik Nabers (ties happen, see #Giants grades on Evan Neal and Ikem Ekwonu). Could let the roster break the tie by pairing up complements.
"If you have the fast, separation guy, take Rome Odunze. If you have the physical, contested-catch guy, take Malik Nabers."
Yeah, not so much. Both guys are uber-talented, explosive and physical and would be great roster additions for Giants.
If I am Schoen the differentiator would be, to the extent it can be evaluated, who is more likely to turn into malcontent in NY once he starts having success. Use your gut and then draft the least likely future pain in the butt WR.
If you're at 20, and don't need a QB, it's not nearly as interesting.
Was - Daniels
NE - JJM
Ari - MHJR
Min - Maye
NYG - Nabers
Hopefully we can snag Penix or Nix later. Would suck to lose out on Maye by 1 spot
Not really, it's just a little difficult to interpret... ""If you have the fast, separation guy, take Rome Odunze. If you have the physical, contested-catch guy, take Malik Nabers."
What he's saying is if you already have the fast separation guy on your team, you would probably want to pick Odunze. Likewise, if you already have a big physical contested catch guy, you would probably want to take Nabers for the qualities he adds.
Was - Daniels
NE - JJM
Ari - MHJR
Min - Maye
NYG - Nabers
Hopefully we can snag Penix or Nix later. Would suck to lose out on Maye by 1 spot
If maye falls to five and the giants don’t move up I’ll lose my
Mind.
If I had to guess right now, it's:
Chi: Caleb
Wash: Daniels
NE: Maye/JJM
Arizona: MHJ
Vikings (Chargers move down): JJM
and then the fun starts.
Correct. And we can't assume that Wan'Dale is a legitimate performer, either.
@rydunleavy
Just talked to one #nfldraft scout about WRs. He has Marvin Harrison Jr. ranked No. 1 and a virtual tie between Rome Odunze and Malik Nabers (ties happen, see #Giants grades on Evan Neal and Ikem Ekwonu). Could let the roster break the tie by pairing up complements.
"If you have the fast, separation guy, take Rome Odunze. If you have the physical, contested-catch guy, take Malik Nabers."
What if you have neither? 😆
project these guys into that situation, because that's what we are really talking about.
ALL of these guys can make the routine throws, with no pressure, guy is open or has position.
Can they make the throw, when they have to have it. Its a matter of confidence, personality, the "it" factor, as well as arm talent.
I believe both Maye and McCarthy HAVE shown that ability.
Both are worth the high pick, either at 6 or with a trade up.
Opinions??
It was divine intervention.
I'd wager to guess LAC take MHJ in a heartbeat if QBs go 1-4.