I fail to see the allure regarding Maye. His arm is better than average, it is not a cannon or anything close to Josh Allen. He is athletic but not in the same class as Allen as a runner. Yet he is compared to Allen by the fan base. He is erratic like Allen was in college and actually regressed this year. Objectively, it was a bad final season for him and he definitely would have fared better in the draft if he came out last year. His combine or pro day (I forget which) also started out horrific but finished stronger.
Am I missing something as to what makes Maye a top 5 draft pick?
Drake Maye is QB1 - ( New Window )
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He asked an honest question. Your answer was crap
WTF?
You might want to take a break.
Except Drake Maye had almost 500 more rushing yards in his 2 seasons at UNC than Allen did at Wyoming over 2 seasons.
Where are you getting this info?
I've actually seen some people who like him better than Caleb Williams. On the flip side, I've seen people put him behind Penix.
I've actually seen some people who like him better than Caleb Williams. On the flip side, I've seen people put him behind Penix.
This is reminding me of the Sam Darnold year. So many QBs, people picked their favorite but most sucked. I hope this yewr has better results.
So it's a projection, like all of these guys. But for us, I see the traits, I see a young guy with everything you want, and it is there on the tape in flashes --he is the perfect prospect to turn over to Daboll to develop.
If you didn't have those flaws, he'd be the #1 guy. No one questions the upside with Maye. Even the people down on him don't question the potential.
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It may be intentional misinformation, but everyone seems to be all over the board with this QB class. And Maye is part of that.
I've actually seen some people who like him better than Caleb Williams. On the flip side, I've seen people put him behind Penix.
This is reminding me of the Sam Darnold year. So many QBs, people picked their favorite but most sucked. I hope this yewr has better results.
I feel the same way. I still like Maye though as a prospect. I don't see arm strength as an issue for him either, but I know Jack. lol
I trust Davoli can pick a good QB though, so I will be OK with whatever the Giants do this year regardless.
Good summary. I think the real Drake Maye is circa 2022. I understand why someone would put more weight on 2023, but I think 2023 wasn't this catastrophe some make it out to be.
On the other hand, he's athletic with prototypical size and a strong arm. If his issues are refinable with good coaching, he could boom. If he can't refine these legit issues, he will bust. I think he has a lower floor than all the other top 5 prospects unless you count Penix having a floor of unable to play due to injury.
Nevertheless, I'd be excited if they had conviction and could get Maye for a reasonable cost after JJM went 3rd. I would not like trading a king's ransom for him at 3, there's a reason NE would trade that pick.
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very athletic, comes from an insanely athletic family, can literally make every NFL throw and more. Kills it in the middle of the field which is huge in the NFL. Comp might be Justin Herbert. problem is, might be too raw.
Good summary. I think the real Drake Maye is circa 2022. I understand why someone would put more weight on 2023, but I think 2023 wasn't this catastrophe some make it out to be.
they think he can be Herbert. That alone justifies the fuss. I personally haven't seen it yet. but I only watched a fraction. But college doesn't matter, and what we see on tape doesn't quite matter with him, because they think he has the size and strength to grow into Justin Herbert. I think we should all bank that his traits are going to improve quickly because they are going to put him on NFL strength, conditioning and nutrition and he'll get great coaching. Plus his family is unbelievably athletic and committed to athletics. He is going to take this next step very seriously and he has a knowledgeable support team. The question is, will he become more consistent which is an athletic trait, he must, and the other question is can he cope with pressure. That will be the difference between him becoming Justin Herbert, or becoming the shitty version of Justin Herbert, whatever that is.
If you're going by stats he's not in the top 10 in college in yards, or top 20 in TDs, or top 50 in INTs, or top 40 in completion percentage, and he was 34th in rating.
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very athletic, comes from an insanely athletic family, can literally make every NFL throw and more. Kills it in the middle of the field which is huge in the NFL. Comp might be Justin Herbert. problem is, might be too raw.
Good summary. I think the real Drake Maye is circa 2022. I understand why someone would put more weight on 2023, but I think 2023 wasn't this catastrophe some make it out to be.
they think he can be Herbert. That alone justifies the fuss. I personally haven't seen it yet. but I only watched a fraction. But college doesn't matter, and what we see on tape doesn't quite matter with him, because they think he has the size and strength to grow into Justin Herbert. I think we should all bank that his traits are going to improve quickly because they are going to put him on NFL strength, conditioning and nutrition and he'll get great coaching. Plus his family is unbelievably athletic and committed to athletics. He is going to take this next step very seriously and he has a knowledgeable support team. The question is, will he become more consistent which is an athletic trait, he must, and the other question is can he cope with pressure. That will be the difference between him becoming Justin Herbert, or becoming the shitty version of Justin Herbert, whatever that is.
How he handles the pressure mentally and physically (in the pocket under duress) along with how he does refining his footwork and mechanics will ultimately lead to him booming or busting.
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3600 yards, 24 TD, 9 INT, and a QB rating of 149.0 is "objectively" a bad season?
If you're going by stats he's not in the top 10 in college in yards, or top 20 in TDs, or top 50 in INTs, or top 40 in completion percentage, and he was 34th in rating.
Right. And again, how would Eli Manning’s college stats compare to those? They would be worse.
We really need to stop using stats as a measure for a great or bad season for a college quarterback. It has basically nothing to do with their pro projection.
Eli Manning had mediocre college stats on an average team. He’s a two time Super Bowl MVP.
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3600 yards, 24 TD, 9 INT, and a QB rating of 149.0 is "objectively" a bad season?
If you're going by stats he's not in the top 10 in college in yards, or top 20 in TDs, or top 50 in INTs, or top 40 in completion percentage, and he was 34th in rating.
Right. And again, how would Eli Manning’s college stats compare to those? They would be worse.
We really need to stop using stats as a measure for a great or bad season for a college quarterback. It has basically nothing to do with their pro projection.
Eli Manning had mediocre college stats on an average team. He’s a two time Super Bowl MVP.
Agreed, and that's why we can't dismiss JJM due to stats either.
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3600 yards, 24 TD, 9 INT, and a QB rating of 149.0 is "objectively" a bad season?
If you're going by stats he's not in the top 10 in college in yards, or top 20 in TDs, or top 50 in INTs, or top 40 in completion percentage, and he was 34th in rating.
Right. And again, how would Eli Manning’s college stats compare to those? They would be worse.
We really need to stop using stats as a measure for a great or bad season for a college quarterback. It has basically nothing to do with their pro projection.
Eli Manning had mediocre college stats on an average team. He’s a two time Super Bowl MVP.
Was Manning missing wide open receivers on short passes because of bad mechanics? Was Manning getting easily flustered whenever he faced pressure? And you're comparing passing stats in 2023 (in the ACC) to 2003 (in the SEC)?
Also, two time MVP, but only a .500 record.
But if you think his arm is just above average you're disagreeing with multitudes who evaluate for a living which sounds less like expertise and more like confirmation bias