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What makes Maye so special?

NJBlueTuna : 4/19/2024 4:17 pm
I fail to see the allure regarding Maye. His arm is better than average, it is not a cannon or anything close to Josh Allen. He is athletic but not in the same class as Allen as a runner. Yet he is compared to Allen by the fan base. He is erratic like Allen was in college and actually regressed this year. Objectively, it was a bad final season for him and he definitely would have fared better in the draft if he came out last year. His combine or pro day (I forget which) also started out horrific but finished stronger.


Am I missing something as to what makes Maye a top 5 draft pick?

Let me guess, you also  
LW_Giants : 4/19/2024 4:25 pm : link
don't see the allure of JJM, and think the Giants should give Jones more weapons and another shot?
I'm driving so I can't type a bunch of stuff out  
Big Rick in FL : 4/19/2024 4:26 pm : link
Here's a link to a Bleacher Report article and why they have Maye as QB1.
Drake Maye is QB1 - ( New Window )
RE: Let me guess, you also  
BillyM : 4/19/2024 4:27 pm : link
In comment 16475632

LW_Giants said:
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don't see the allure of JJM, and think the Giants should give Jones more weapons and another shot?


He asked an honest question. Your answer was crap
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ryanmkeane : 4/19/2024 4:28 pm : link
3600 yards, 24 TD, 9 INT, and a QB rating of 149.0 is "objectively" a bad season?
RE: Let me guess, you also  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/19/2024 4:29 pm : link
In comment 16475632 LW_Giants said:
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don't see the allure of JJM, and think the Giants should give Jones more weapons and another shot?


WTF?

You might want to take a break.
I haven't seen many Josh Allen comparisons aside from  
Strahan91 : 4/19/2024 4:30 pm : link
speculation that Schoen/Daboll might see him as their Josh Allen due to his upside while still being raw. Herbert is a far better comp and everything you said about Maye was true for Herbert prior to the draft in 2020
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ryanmkeane : 4/19/2024 4:30 pm : link
"Not in the same class as Allen as a runner."

Except Drake Maye had almost 500 more rushing yards in his 2 seasons at UNC than Allen did at Wyoming over 2 seasons.

Where are you getting this info?
NJBlueTuna  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/19/2024 4:31 pm : link
It may be intentional misinformation, but everyone seems to be all over the board with this QB class. And Maye is part of that.

I've actually seen some people who like him better than Caleb Williams. On the flip side, I've seen people put him behind Penix.
I agree  
Go Terps : 4/19/2024 4:32 pm : link
I squinted really hard watching him this year because it was easy to predict the Giants would fall in full bloom love with him. I wanted to like him. I didn't.
 
christian : 4/19/2024 4:36 pm : link
This makes me itchy:

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"Drake Maye was kind of banged up during the year, so I don't know how much the injuries played a part," an AFC QBs coach said. "I saw him get trucked a couple times. I know he had an ankle injury. He didn't use that as an excuse. He just didn't look very accurate to me. He has kind of a slower release -- he really pushes the ball back and pats it and it just takes forever to get to the receivers."
RE: NJBlueTuna  
robbieballs2003 : 4/19/2024 4:37 pm : link
In comment 16475650 Eric from BBI said:
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It may be intentional misinformation, but everyone seems to be all over the board with this QB class. And Maye is part of that.

I've actually seen some people who like him better than Caleb Williams. On the flip side, I've seen people put him behind Penix.


This is reminding me of the Sam Darnold year. So many QBs, people picked their favorite but most sucked. I hope this yewr has better results.
big arm, ideal frame and size  
Darwinian : 4/19/2024 4:40 pm : link
very athletic, comes from an insanely athletic family, can literally make every NFL throw and more. Kills it in the middle of the field which is huge in the NFL. Comp might be Justin Herbert. problem is, might be too raw.
The tools are really good  
UberAlias : 4/19/2024 4:53 pm : link
And the flashes were absolutely there. Some thought he might overtake Caleb for #1 spot. But after his OC left, his top WR missed a bunch of games, and frankly, at the end of the year he seemed to be pressing.

So it's a projection, like all of these guys. But for us, I see the traits, I see a young guy with everything you want, and it is there on the tape in flashes --he is the perfect prospect to turn over to Daboll to develop.

If you didn't have those flaws, he'd be the #1 guy. No one questions the upside with Maye. Even the people down on him don't question the potential.
Dont watch the Highlight Reels  
upnyg : 4/19/2024 4:53 pm : link
If you can find a whole game with his throws, reads, etc...you might walk away with a different impression.
You don't have to create something you've never seen with Maye  
UberAlias : 4/19/2024 4:55 pm : link
It's all there, but you need to develop the consistency. Nothing is a sure thing.
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Johnny5 : 4/19/2024 4:55 pm : link
In comment 16475663 robbieballs2003 said:
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In comment 16475650 Eric from BBI said:


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It may be intentional misinformation, but everyone seems to be all over the board with this QB class. And Maye is part of that.

I've actually seen some people who like him better than Caleb Williams. On the flip side, I've seen people put him behind Penix.



This is reminding me of the Sam Darnold year. So many QBs, people picked their favorite but most sucked. I hope this yewr has better results.

I feel the same way. I still like Maye though as a prospect. I don't see arm strength as an issue for him either, but I know Jack. lol

I trust Davoli can pick a good QB though, so I will be OK with whatever the Giants do this year regardless.
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bw in dc : 4/19/2024 4:56 pm : link
In comment 16475668 Darwinian said:
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very athletic, comes from an insanely athletic family, can literally make every NFL throw and more. Kills it in the middle of the field which is huge in the NFL. Comp might be Justin Herbert. problem is, might be too raw.


Good summary. I think the real Drake Maye is circa 2022. I understand why someone would put more weight on 2023, but I think 2023 wasn't this catastrophe some make it out to be.

He's a true boom or bust prospect.  
BleedBlue46 : 4/19/2024 6:10 pm : link
He has some real issues with mechanics, footwork, and accuracy (especially on the meat and potatoes throws under 15 yards). He has some issues when under pressure where he appears to panic and lock onto reads, run into sacks/throw interceptions, whether this is mental or mechanical I can't say. My concern is that it is mental, if it's mechanical then I would have more hope.

On the other hand, he's athletic with prototypical size and a strong arm. If his issues are refinable with good coaching, he could boom. If he can't refine these legit issues, he will bust. I think he has a lower floor than all the other top 5 prospects unless you count Penix having a floor of unable to play due to injury.

Nevertheless, I'd be excited if they had conviction and could get Maye for a reasonable cost after JJM went 3rd. I would not like trading a king's ransom for him at 3, there's a reason NE would trade that pick.
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Darwinian : 4/19/2024 6:21 pm : link
In comment 16475688 bw in dc said:
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very athletic, comes from an insanely athletic family, can literally make every NFL throw and more. Kills it in the middle of the field which is huge in the NFL. Comp might be Justin Herbert. problem is, might be too raw.



Good summary. I think the real Drake Maye is circa 2022. I understand why someone would put more weight on 2023, but I think 2023 wasn't this catastrophe some make it out to be.


they think he can be Herbert. That alone justifies the fuss. I personally haven't seen it yet. but I only watched a fraction. But college doesn't matter, and what we see on tape doesn't quite matter with him, because they think he has the size and strength to grow into Justin Herbert. I think we should all bank that his traits are going to improve quickly because they are going to put him on NFL strength, conditioning and nutrition and he'll get great coaching. Plus his family is unbelievably athletic and committed to athletics. He is going to take this next step very seriously and he has a knowledgeable support team. The question is, will he become more consistent which is an athletic trait, he must, and the other question is can he cope with pressure. That will be the difference between him becoming Justin Herbert, or becoming the shitty version of Justin Herbert, whatever that is.
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k2tampa : 4/19/2024 6:23 pm : link
In comment 16475640 ryanmkeane said:
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3600 yards, 24 TD, 9 INT, and a QB rating of 149.0 is "objectively" a bad season?


If you're going by stats he's not in the top 10 in college in yards, or top 20 in TDs, or top 50 in INTs, or top 40 in completion percentage, and he was 34th in rating.
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BleedBlue46 : 4/19/2024 6:25 pm : link
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very athletic, comes from an insanely athletic family, can literally make every NFL throw and more. Kills it in the middle of the field which is huge in the NFL. Comp might be Justin Herbert. problem is, might be too raw.



Good summary. I think the real Drake Maye is circa 2022. I understand why someone would put more weight on 2023, but I think 2023 wasn't this catastrophe some make it out to be.




they think he can be Herbert. That alone justifies the fuss. I personally haven't seen it yet. but I only watched a fraction. But college doesn't matter, and what we see on tape doesn't quite matter with him, because they think he has the size and strength to grow into Justin Herbert. I think we should all bank that his traits are going to improve quickly because they are going to put him on NFL strength, conditioning and nutrition and he'll get great coaching. Plus his family is unbelievably athletic and committed to athletics. He is going to take this next step very seriously and he has a knowledgeable support team. The question is, will he become more consistent which is an athletic trait, he must, and the other question is can he cope with pressure. That will be the difference between him becoming Justin Herbert, or becoming the shitty version of Justin Herbert, whatever that is.


How he handles the pressure mentally and physically (in the pocket under duress) along with how he does refining his footwork and mechanics will ultimately lead to him booming or busting.
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ryanmkeane : 4/19/2024 6:36 pm : link
In comment 16475853 k2tampa said:
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3600 yards, 24 TD, 9 INT, and a QB rating of 149.0 is "objectively" a bad season?



If you're going by stats he's not in the top 10 in college in yards, or top 20 in TDs, or top 50 in INTs, or top 40 in completion percentage, and he was 34th in rating.

Right. And again, how would Eli Manning’s college stats compare to those? They would be worse.

We really need to stop using stats as a measure for a great or bad season for a college quarterback. It has basically nothing to do with their pro projection.

Eli Manning had mediocre college stats on an average team. He’s a two time Super Bowl MVP.
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BleedBlue46 : 4/19/2024 6:44 pm : link
In comment 16475886 ryanmkeane said:
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3600 yards, 24 TD, 9 INT, and a QB rating of 149.0 is "objectively" a bad season?



If you're going by stats he's not in the top 10 in college in yards, or top 20 in TDs, or top 50 in INTs, or top 40 in completion percentage, and he was 34th in rating.


Right. And again, how would Eli Manning’s college stats compare to those? They would be worse.

We really need to stop using stats as a measure for a great or bad season for a college quarterback. It has basically nothing to do with their pro projection.

Eli Manning had mediocre college stats on an average team. He’s a two time Super Bowl MVP.


Agreed, and that's why we can't dismiss JJM due to stats either.
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k2tampa : 4/19/2024 9:04 pm : link
In comment 16475886 ryanmkeane said:
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3600 yards, 24 TD, 9 INT, and a QB rating of 149.0 is "objectively" a bad season?



If you're going by stats he's not in the top 10 in college in yards, or top 20 in TDs, or top 50 in INTs, or top 40 in completion percentage, and he was 34th in rating.


Right. And again, how would Eli Manning’s college stats compare to those? They would be worse.

We really need to stop using stats as a measure for a great or bad season for a college quarterback. It has basically nothing to do with their pro projection.

Eli Manning had mediocre college stats on an average team. He’s a two time Super Bowl MVP.


Was Manning missing wide open receivers on short passes because of bad mechanics? Was Manning getting easily flustered whenever he faced pressure? And you're comparing passing stats in 2023 (in the ACC) to 2003 (in the SEC)?
Also, two time MVP, but only a .500 record.
Completely agree  
Doubledeuce22 : 4/19/2024 9:16 pm : link
I see a flawed QB who regressed last year with weapons. Don’t care for him at all. Would much rather JJM if they’re going QB.
Watch him against the teams with good defenses and it’s easy to  
Spider56 : 4/19/2024 9:23 pm : link
not be impressed. But his genes are good. His father also played QB for the tar holes and his brother won a National Championship with their Basketball team. Oh … and he’s from Charlotte.
His arm.  
Jint Fan in Buc Land : 4/20/2024 8:55 am : link
He isn't a perfect qb prospect not sure those exist and they definitely don't matter to you if you're at 6.

But if you think his arm is just above average you're disagreeing with multitudes who evaluate for a living which sounds less like expertise and more like confirmation bias
That comparison of Caleb and Maye  
cosmicj : 4/20/2024 11:15 am : link
Big Rick linked to is really worthwhile. If they are right about Maye, Schoen should trade the farm for him.
it's interesting about Maye  
santacruzom : 4/20/2024 1:02 pm : link
In 2022 he was considered one of those incredibly rare prospects, the sort that made fans of QB-needy teams think a year in advance about how lucky they'd be if their team landed a top 2 pick in the 2024 draft.
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