Cardinals GM Monti Ossenfort prides himself on being a wheeler and dealer. He'll move down, and then move up in the same round to get the player he wants.
One of the advantages the Giants have picking at #6 is that the Cardinals may not want to lose the chance of drafting Harrison or Nabers. So the assumption by some has been the Cardinals can trade with the Giants, get extra pick(s), and still get the same player at #6 they would have taken at #4. Makes sense.
However, the fly in the ointment with that strategy could be the Chargers. It is assumed that despite being desperate for WRs, Harbaugh will want to address the offensive line in this draft. More pundits than not have the Chargers moving down as well since this is a really deep OL class.
Does anyone else see the same risk I see here?
Ossenfort could trade down with the Vikings, get those three #1s (two this year, one next) and then trade back up with the Chargers.
As long as the Cardinals get a net positive out of this, it makes sense for them.
Am I crazy?
It would have to be set up now. The parameters are already there as long as the QB they want is there.
I dont think they are going to risk that same mistake twice unless they have Nabers and MHJ graded essentially the same, and if they do i dont think they will go past #6. I think they are going to come away with a ROY candidate WR with their first pick.
the team I am worried about trading out is Harbough because I think he wants to stock up picks. Schmelk made this point on the beat writer mock, Harbough has an advantage this year because he knows the prospects better than any other coach. he has recruited and faced all of them for half a decade or more. He already has Slater at LT. I think he is going to want to stock pile picks and picking up #11 and #23 plus another day 2 may be too much for him to pass up.
I think it’s all but assumed at this point that unless the giants want to pay up, some other team will for one of the top 4 QBs. So Giants will probably get their pick of Nabers or Odunze.
(I'm assuming 3 QB's and 2 WR's go top 5).
I dont think they are going to risk that same mistake twice unless they have Nabers and MHJ graded essentially the same, and if they do i dont think they will go past #6. I think they are going to come away with a ROY candidate WR with their first pick.
the team I am worried about trading out is Harbough because I think he wants to stock up picks. Schmelk made this point on the beat writer mock, Harbough has an advantage this year because he knows the prospects better than any other coach. he has recruited and faced all of them for half a decade or more. He already has Slater at LT. I think he is going to want to stock pile picks and picking up #11 and #23 plus another day 2 may be too much for him to pass up.
I would be worried if chargers don’t trade and somehow McCarthy is there cause I don’t want anything to do with an average qb who’s basically a game manager.. if McCarthy is there at 6 my hope is we trade back with a team who is a sucker to take him!
Right now the bigger question(s) start with Washington. Rumors are that Josh Harris (new owner) will have a bigger hand in the selection process (what, owners want to participate...No way, that is only a Giants issue..). If so, will it be Daniels, Maye or could JJM be the pick here. My assumption is Daniels but it could be JJM. I do NOT see them taking Maye.
Washington sets the whole draft in motion. ** By the way did you catch Schoen mentioning trading within the division is tricky (not sure if he meant up or down though) but it was during his whole quarterback discussion..
That I don't see happening. I think they either stay put and take the best WR, or trade down and take Alt, or the BPA. In a deep draft for OL, I don't see why they would just stay put and not take the BPA, assuming he isn't for them.
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in a short amount of time. It can happen but that’s a lot of movement and risk if you love someone at 4-6.
It would have to be set up now. The parameters are already there as long as the QB they want is there.
What happens if LAC changes their mind?
And I fully expect if the Cardinals trade out of 4 they will trade back up. 100%. They have too many draft picks as it is. If they trade down they must consolidate some of those picks. Now maybe it will be to get more mid 1st round picks because good receivers and defenders are going to be falling a little later with good value to be obtained.
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in a short amount of time. It can happen but that’s a lot of movement and risk if you love someone at 4-6.
It would have to be set up now. The parameters are already there as long as the QB they want is there.
If Schoen and NE set the same parameters up, then it won't matter I don't think. I don't believe Minnesota will trade that haul for JJM. If we trade with NE for Maye and NE had a deal in place with AZ to go back up to 4 for JJM, then the Vikings could be forced to go to their asshat-rumored fallback plan of Penix. My gut and the asshat rumor tells me Minnesota won't trade a haul for JJM. If NE wants JJM and we really want Maye, I see this as a very legit possibility.
2025 picks or pick swaps while still getting Nabers or MHJ would be appealing to them.
If Schoen loves Maye and Maye is there at 4, he will offer the same package to AZ as he did to NE. If JJM is there at 4 then I don't believe the Vikings would pay the king's ransom.
Rick in FL said that and it's just based on a rumor from a friend of his in the front office of another team, it's what some franchises believe. Nothing definitive at all.
QB3, QB4, WR2 or WR3 will be there at 6th overall.
Most likely scenario is the Vikings trade up to 4 and the Chargers take a WR (not Alt). If AZ trades back up to 5, then the Giants get WR-2 instead of WR-1.
Worst case (or is it best case?) AZ and LAC stay put (both taking WRs) and the NYG get QB-4, WR-3 or a haul from Denver.
There are way more than 5 blue chips.
If you really think about it there is no way that we dont wind up with one of the three stud WRs. If all 3 go then the Giants have Maye or Daniels to choose from.
Think of this like us picking 4th in the Cedric Jones draft. We cant get punked.