Hello all. I’ve finally been given the OK to post SOME of what has been in the works with the draft around the corner. This post also includes some information regarding the TOP 10. Let’s get started.
- It is fully believed that the 1st two picks will be Caleb Williams and Jayden Daniels respectively. Conversations have already been had with Daniels representatives and the Commanders FO. They have told Daniels that he is the pick.
- The Patriots are highest on (Caleb Williams assumed not available) Daniels, followed by Michael Penix Jr. and Bo Nix. They don’t like the inconsistency they see from Drake Maye and are scared only the lack of volume shown by McCarthy. They want a QB that is mature and tested. Someone they feel comfortable playing Year 1 and can execute at a high level. If Daniels is gone, the Patriots seem keen on trading down. However, they seem to be less likely to trade with the Giants as they value having multiple picks in the 2024 draft rather than future 2025 picks (which would bode well for the Vikings). While they need help at WR, they are likely to pass up one of the top options for more draft capital and one of Penix/Nix.
- If the Patriots trade out with Minnesota, the strong belief now is that Minnesota would go with JJ McCarthy over Drake Maye at 3. Kevin O’ Connell is said to like McCarthy’s ability to efficiently read defenses and properly distribute the ball to the correct read. McCarthy also has the arm strength to challenge all parts of the field. It’s said the Vikings are throwing the smokescreen that they like Maye as a way not to alarm the Giants, who many believe want McCarthy over Maye as well.
- The Giants have seemingly boxed out of #3. But they have a good shot at a trade to #4 as GM Ossenfort doesn’t want to trade out of the top 8. Arizona has a good haul of picks as is, but they would take a slight trade back to #6 if it meant an extra pick or two. (Reportedly it would take #6, #70, and a 2025 2nd)
- The Giants HAVE been throwing QB smokescreens and it’s viewed that they ideally want McCarthy over Maye as well. They have been using the Eli connection and the Josh Allen comps to lead teams to believe they want Maye via trade up, however, they see where Josh Allen was as a prospect and where Drake Maye is a prospect as vastly different. Allen famously didn’t have a QB coach during his time at Wyoming and was strictly succeeding off pure athletic ability. Maye has had coaching and tutelage, yet his fundamentals and processing are notably off compared to others in the class.
The belief that is building around McCarthy is that Harbaugh kind of handcuffed him a bit in Michigan’s offense. “He routinely had to convert 3rd and 5+ when he was called on to throw and he ranks right there with Caleb Williams in those situations.”
- if McCarthy, Nabers, and MHJ are off the board, the Giants would rather trade back and accumulate more picks. They like Rome Odunze, but would rather more picks to fill other areas and taking another option later in the draft at WR.
- In a trade down scenario the Giants strongly favor Quinyon Mitchell and DTs Johnny Newton and Byron Murphy.
- If the Giants can get a QB in the first, they will attempt to flip a pick for a Vet WR (Brandon Aiyuk, Tee Higgins, DeAndre Hopkins)
I should be getting one more check in before the draft.
(PS...I don't sound so crazy about Nix now.).
If the Vikings are coming up to #3, glad to hear it is McCarthy they like. If they don't like Maye, trade back and get more picks, potentially even a Penix or Nix if they like them.
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at #6 as well. Pats probably calculate that they can safely trade down past NYG and get him.
If the Vikings are coming up to #3, glad to hear it is McCarthy they like. If they don't like Maye, trade back and get more picks, potentially even a Penix or Nix if they like them.
I personally would prefer Maye or Penix myself, but if everyone (including our coaches) actually wants McCarthy I'll assume I'm mistaken until JJM proves he's a bust. I will say JJM does not seem like Jones at all in terms of pre-draft hype. In other words, it doesn't seem like the Giants are alone in thinking he's a top 10 pick.
(Putting this in there in case non-friendly eyes are reading!)
Newton or Mitchell plus draft capital may help this team more than Odunze.
That being said, let's say the NE moves, which is what I was expecting and have been saying for a while. If Minny comes up and gets JJM, that means we are at 6 with Maye being available. The Giants could move back (Denver is still a possibility as is LV). I wouldn't move back and I would take Maye here. Too much is being made about his play last year and not enough about the year before.
If we did move with Denver, then grabbing Patrick Surtain would be a MASSIVE coup.. We could then stay at 12 or move down again, snag some more picks and even use some to acquire an Aiyuk or even Higgins..
I wonder what happens if NE stays put and takes JJM or Maye. If Giants have inside track with Arizona, they could still get their guy.
But the trade down is getting more and more appealing.
A 3 tech is very much a need but there should be several available on day 2.
That being said, let's say the NE moves, which is what I was expecting and have been saying for a while. If Minny comes up and gets JJM, that means we are at 6 with Maye being available. The Giants could move back (Denver is still a possibility as is LV). I wouldn't move back and I would take Maye here. Too much is being made about his play last year and not enough about the year before.
If we did move with Denver, then grabbing Patrick Surtain would be a MASSIVE coup.. We could then stay at 12 or move down again, snag some more picks and even use some to acquire an Aiyuk or even Higgins..
Agreed, this trade down would be ideal. And they may still be able to take Penix/Nix if they wanted to in such a scenario
And of the love of God, don't say Daniel Jones.
That's how it reads.
It seems like there's more value in the Giants' 2025 1st than 23, but I guess not.
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Are you saying that if Maye is there at #6, they would pass on him?
Yes. They would use him for trade bait
Wow. Are we looking at a Levis-type fall or close to it?
It seems like there's more value in the Giants' 2025 1st than 23, but I guess not.
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Are you saying that if Maye is there at #6, they would pass on him?
Yes. They would use him for trade bait
WOW, I truly didn't see that coming but now the Schoen talk about getting trading calls to move back makes more and more sense. Hmmm
So it is either we get JJM (according to what GoDeep has shared) or we move back and if Maye is still there Denver, LV and Seattle (yes, Seattle) become immediate trade partner options- Quarterback wise, Chicago, Jacksonville, New Orleans, and Miami become trade partners for other positions..
But I get a corner. And QM is a GREAT prospect.
(PS...I don't sound so crazy about Nix now.).
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In comment 16475745 Eric from BBI said:
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Are you saying that if Maye is there at #6, they would pass on him?
Yes. They would use him for trade bait
Wow. Are we looking at a Levis-type fall or close to it?
I think 4 is if JJM is still available.
Trade down maybe opens up the possibility of Penix/Nix (although sounds like Pats will do whatever it takes to get Nix), but otherwise I guess we truly are riding it back with Jones this year.
Quite the risk Schoen/Daboll are taking.
But I get a corner. And QM is a GREAT prospect.
Agree. Good 3 techs to be had on day 2. I would take Mitchell or even one of the edge rushers.
Check me into rehab.
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Are you saying that if Maye is there at #6, they would pass on him?
Yes. They would use him for trade bait
For pete's sake...
I'll save you a seat.
Trade down maybe opens up the possibility of Penix/Nix (although sounds like Pats will do whatever it takes to get Nix), but otherwise I guess we truly are riding it back with Jones this year.
Quite the risk Schoen/Daboll are taking.
I wouldn't be too sure or concerned about that yet. First off I suspect Luck is here for a reason beyond just being the backup.. If we just needed another QB there were plenty of other options to add a 3rd body..
I think we have plans at QB that are beyond just one or two guys here and I am still sticking with Maye...
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if McCarthy is going 3rd, and the Giants don't like Maye, why even discuss the trade up to #4?
I think 4 is if JJM is still available.
Either they get the QB in round one or put the best team they can on the field for 2024 and roll the dice. They have understanding and grace from Mara/Tisch if they go the QB route.
This is completely opposite of what I heard in February that the team was really high on Maye.
I hope they get this right.
I have no problem with the WR at #6 or the trade down (as long as they get a really good package), but passing on Maye would be ballsy as hell.