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GoDeep13 : 4/19/2024 5:17 pm
Hello all. I’ve finally been given the OK to post SOME of what has been in the works with the draft around the corner. This post also includes some information regarding the TOP 10. Let’s get started.

- It is fully believed that the 1st two picks will be Caleb Williams and Jayden Daniels respectively. Conversations have already been had with Daniels representatives and the Commanders FO. They have told Daniels that he is the pick.

- The Patriots are highest on (Caleb Williams assumed not available) Daniels, followed by Michael Penix Jr. and Bo Nix. They don’t like the inconsistency they see from Drake Maye and are scared only the lack of volume shown by McCarthy. They want a QB that is mature and tested. Someone they feel comfortable playing Year 1 and can execute at a high level. If Daniels is gone, the Patriots seem keen on trading down. However, they seem to be less likely to trade with the Giants as they value having multiple picks in the 2024 draft rather than future 2025 picks (which would bode well for the Vikings). While they need help at WR, they are likely to pass up one of the top options for more draft capital and one of Penix/Nix.

- If the Patriots trade out with Minnesota, the strong belief now is that Minnesota would go with JJ McCarthy over Drake Maye at 3. Kevin O’ Connell is said to like McCarthy’s ability to efficiently read defenses and properly distribute the ball to the correct read. McCarthy also has the arm strength to challenge all parts of the field. It’s said the Vikings are throwing the smokescreen that they like Maye as a way not to alarm the Giants, who many believe want McCarthy over Maye as well.

- The Giants have seemingly boxed out of #3. But they have a good shot at a trade to #4 as GM Ossenfort doesn’t want to trade out of the top 8. Arizona has a good haul of picks as is, but they would take a slight trade back to #6 if it meant an extra pick or two. (Reportedly it would take #6, #70, and a 2025 2nd)

- The Giants HAVE been throwing QB smokescreens and it’s viewed that they ideally want McCarthy over Maye as well. They have been using the Eli connection and the Josh Allen comps to lead teams to believe they want Maye via trade up, however, they see where Josh Allen was as a prospect and where Drake Maye is a prospect as vastly different. Allen famously didn’t have a QB coach during his time at Wyoming and was strictly succeeding off pure athletic ability. Maye has had coaching and tutelage, yet his fundamentals and processing are notably off compared to others in the class.

The belief that is building around McCarthy is that Harbaugh kind of handcuffed him a bit in Michigan’s offense. “He routinely had to convert 3rd and 5+ when he was called on to throw and he ranks right there with Caleb Williams in those situations.”

- if McCarthy, Nabers, and MHJ are off the board, the Giants would rather trade back and accumulate more picks. They like Rome Odunze, but would rather more picks to fill other areas and taking another option later in the draft at WR.

- In a trade down scenario the Giants strongly favor Quinyon Mitchell and DTs Johnny Newton and Byron Murphy.

- If the Giants can get a QB in the first, they will attempt to flip a pick for a Vet WR (Brandon Aiyuk, Tee Higgins, DeAndre Hopkins)

I should be getting one more check in before the draft.
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GoDeep13  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/19/2024 5:20 pm : link
"We're not worthy... we're not worthy!"


(PS...I don't sound so crazy about Nix now.).
Sounds like Schoen would be well served putting out smoke for Penix  
widmerseyebrow : 4/19/2024 5:22 pm : link
at #6 as well. Pats probably calculate that they can safely trade down past NYG and get him.
That was awesome!  
Mike from Ohio : 4/19/2024 5:24 pm : link
Thank you, GoDeep!
RE: Sounds like Schoen would be well served putting out smoke for Penix  
Mike from Ohio : 4/19/2024 5:25 pm : link
In comment 16475723 widmerseyebrow said:
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at #6 as well. Pats probably calculate that they can safely trade down past NYG and get him.


If the Vikings are coming up to #3, glad to hear it is McCarthy they like. If they don't like Maye, trade back and get more picks, potentially even a Penix or Nix if they like them.
Man, trading down and going DT  
widmerseyebrow : 4/19/2024 5:26 pm : link
Schoen and Daboll would really have to feel good about their job security with the 2024 season looming. I get that it's a need, but wow.
 
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/19/2024 5:27 pm : link
Interesting. Thanks.
I  
AZ Blue : 4/19/2024 5:28 pm : link
don’t care for trading a pick for Hopkins. At least Higgins and Aiyuk are in their “primes”
Remember  
BigBlueCane : 4/19/2024 5:29 pm : link
Maye's coaching and tutelage at UNC left for Wisconsin before this past year. This was a new offense to learn and break in.

My DT plug  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/19/2024 5:29 pm : link
is in there too!
RE: RE: Sounds like Schoen would be well served putting out smoke for Penix  
widmerseyebrow : 4/19/2024 5:29 pm : link
In comment 16475726 Mike from Ohio said:
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at #6 as well. Pats probably calculate that they can safely trade down past NYG and get him.



If the Vikings are coming up to #3, glad to hear it is McCarthy they like. If they don't like Maye, trade back and get more picks, potentially even a Penix or Nix if they like them.


I personally would prefer Maye or Penix myself, but if everyone (including our coaches) actually wants McCarthy I'll assume I'm mistaken until JJM proves he's a bust. I will say JJM does not seem like Jones at all in terms of pre-draft hype. In other words, it doesn't seem like the Giants are alone in thinking he's a top 10 pick.
I've been waiting for this!  
UberAlias : 4/19/2024 5:31 pm : link
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Very interesting stuff....  
Simms11 : 4/19/2024 5:31 pm : link
thanks for the info.
I am glad they feel that way about Maye  
sb from NYT Forum : 4/19/2024 5:31 pm : link
...but would rather they take Odunze than trade back.
Or is GoDeep13  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/19/2024 5:31 pm : link
part of the psych op to allow us to get Maye!

(Putting this in there in case non-friendly eyes are reading!)
RE: I am glad they feel that way about Maye  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/19/2024 5:33 pm : link
In comment 16475739 sb from NYT Forum said:
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...but would rather they take Odunze than trade back.


Newton or Mitchell plus draft capital may help this team more than Odunze.
Weird how things have changed  
jvm52106 : 4/19/2024 5:33 pm : link
in one post but I won't waver off my interest in Maye- not that kind of person but, my second choice has been JJM.

That being said, let's say the NE moves, which is what I was expecting and have been saying for a while. If Minny comes up and gets JJM, that means we are at 6 with Maye being available. The Giants could move back (Denver is still a possibility as is LV). I wouldn't move back and I would take Maye here. Too much is being made about his play last year and not enough about the year before.

If we did move with Denver, then grabbing Patrick Surtain would be a MASSIVE coup.. We could then stay at 12 or move down again, snag some more picks and even use some to acquire an Aiyuk or even Higgins..
the added benefit  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/19/2024 5:34 pm : link
of trading down is Rich_Houston_1971 will be dragging the Eagle with pride at going defense.
Best thread...  
Brown_Hornet : 4/19/2024 5:34 pm : link
...this Spring.
GoDeep13  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/19/2024 5:35 pm : link
Are you saying that if Maye is there at #6, they would pass on him?
Very interesting!  
LW_Giants : 4/19/2024 5:35 pm : link
Sounds like Nabers could be the guy if the Vikings trade up. Not sure I see Chargers taking WR, but it's possible.

I wonder what happens if NE stays put and takes JJM or Maye. If Giants have inside track with Arizona, they could still get their guy.

But the trade down is getting more and more appealing.
I am curious though  
jvm52106 : 4/19/2024 5:36 pm : link
most here are talking about a number of things EXCEPT the fact that we are hearing the Giants prefer JJM.. Sounds like he is their #2 after Williams..
Also, Bill Simmons is going to be  
LW_Giants : 4/19/2024 5:36 pm : link
inconsolable if Pats move down to 11 with Vikings. I can't wait!
Thank you GoDeep!  
Capt. Don : 4/19/2024 5:37 pm : link
If we trade back and we look defense, I really hope that it is Mitchell. I'd also be all in on another EDGE.

A 3 tech is very much a need but there should be several available on day 2.
RE: Weird how things have changed  
LW_Giants : 4/19/2024 5:38 pm : link
In comment 16475742 jvm52106 said:
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in one post but I won't waver off my interest in Maye- not that kind of person but, my second choice has been JJM.

That being said, let's say the NE moves, which is what I was expecting and have been saying for a while. If Minny comes up and gets JJM, that means we are at 6 with Maye being available. The Giants could move back (Denver is still a possibility as is LV). I wouldn't move back and I would take Maye here. Too much is being made about his play last year and not enough about the year before.

If we did move with Denver, then grabbing Patrick Surtain would be a MASSIVE coup.. We could then stay at 12 or move down again, snag some more picks and even use some to acquire an Aiyuk or even Higgins..


Agreed, this trade down would be ideal. And they may still be able to take Penix/Nix if they wanted to in such a scenario
RE: GoDeep13  
GoDeep13 : 4/19/2024 5:39 pm : link
In comment 16475745 Eric from BBI said:
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Are you saying that if Maye is there at #6, they would pass on him?
Yes. They would use him for trade bait
I'm a bit confused here  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/19/2024 5:39 pm : link
if McCarthy is going 3rd, and the Giants don't like Maye, why even discuss the trade up to #4?
and that begs the question  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/19/2024 5:40 pm : link
where is our QB?

And of the love of God, don't say Daniel Jones.
RE: GoDeep13  
bw in dc : 4/19/2024 5:40 pm : link
In comment 16475745 Eric from BBI said:
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Are you saying that if Maye is there at #6, they would pass on him?


That's how it reads.
I wonder if the Denver trade up rumors are true...  
Capt. Don : 4/19/2024 5:40 pm : link
If Maye is available at 6 (assuming we don't want him) I'd be all in on Denver's rumored offer.
I keep thinking, if I were a NE fan  
LW_Giants : 4/19/2024 5:41 pm : link
and I knew my team was trading down, would I prefer the 6th pick and a first next year or 11 and 23 this year. I think I'd prefer the former. But maybe Vikings will throw in even more, which would put them over.

It seems like there's more value in the Giants' 2025 1st than 23, but I guess not.
RE: RE: GoDeep13  
widmerseyebrow : 4/19/2024 5:42 pm : link
In comment 16475754 GoDeep13 said:
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In comment 16475745 Eric from BBI said:


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Are you saying that if Maye is there at #6, they would pass on him?

Yes. They would use him for trade bait


Wow. Are we looking at a Levis-type fall or close to it?
bw in dc  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/19/2024 5:43 pm : link
If you end up being correct about Daniel Jones, I'm going on a bender with you.
RE: I keep thinking, if I were a NE fan  
GoDeep13 : 4/19/2024 5:43 pm : link
In comment 16475762 LW_Giants said:
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and I knew my team was trading down, would I prefer the 6th pick and a first next year or 11 and 23 this year. I think I'd prefer the former. But maybe Vikings will throw in even more, which would put them over.

It seems like there's more value in the Giants' 2025 1st than 23, but I guess not.
Its more to do with the amount of talent in this draft. Pats need help at OL, WR, and Defense. This draft has a lot of talent in those areas. It’s also one of the “Deepest” QB groups in recent memory.
RE: RE: GoDeep13  
jvm52106 : 4/19/2024 5:44 pm : link
In comment 16475754 GoDeep13 said:
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In comment 16475745 Eric from BBI said:


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Are you saying that if Maye is there at #6, they would pass on him?

Yes. They would use him for trade bait


WOW, I truly didn't see that coming but now the Schoen talk about getting trading calls to move back makes more and more sense. Hmmm


So it is either we get JJM (according to what GoDeep has shared) or we move back and if Maye is still there Denver, LV and Seattle (yes, Seattle) become immediate trade partner options- Quarterback wise, Chicago, Jacksonville, New Orleans, and Miami become trade partners for other positions..
Taking a DT on day one...  
bw in dc : 4/19/2024 5:44 pm : link
is baffling.

But I get a corner. And QM is a GREAT prospect.
RE: GoDeep13  
DavidinBMNY : 4/19/2024 5:45 pm : link
In comment 16475718 Eric from BBI said:
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"We're not worthy... we're not worthy!"


(PS...I don't sound so crazy about Nix now.).
great post! A lot of insight here.
RE: RE: RE: GoDeep13  
GoDeep13 : 4/19/2024 5:45 pm : link
In comment 16475764 widmerseyebrow said:
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In comment 16475754 GoDeep13 said:


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In comment 16475745 Eric from BBI said:


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Are you saying that if Maye is there at #6, they would pass on him?

Yes. They would use him for trade bait



Wow. Are we looking at a Levis-type fall or close to it?
he won’t pass top 10. One of the teams 11-16 will jump up for him in the top 10
RE: I'm a bit confused here  
jvm52106 : 4/19/2024 5:45 pm : link
In comment 16475756 Eric from BBI said:
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if McCarthy is going 3rd, and the Giants don't like Maye, why even discuss the trade up to #4?


I think 4 is if JJM is still available.
I share the concern though of others that  
LW_Giants : 4/19/2024 5:46 pm : link
if JJM is there guy, and there's no chance of getting him....what's the plan at QB lol.

Trade down maybe opens up the possibility of Penix/Nix (although sounds like Pats will do whatever it takes to get Nix), but otherwise I guess we truly are riding it back with Jones this year.

Quite the risk Schoen/Daboll are taking.
RE: Taking a DT on day one...  
Capt. Don : 4/19/2024 5:46 pm : link
In comment 16475769 bw in dc said:
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is baffling.

But I get a corner. And QM is a GREAT prospect.


Agree. Good 3 techs to be had on day 2. I would take Mitchell or even one of the edge rushers.
 
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/19/2024 5:47 pm : link
Passing on Maye and watching him become a stud QB…

Check me into rehab.
RE: RE: GoDeep13  
Toth029 : 4/19/2024 5:47 pm : link
In comment 16475754 GoDeep13 said:
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In comment 16475745 Eric from BBI said:


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Are you saying that if Maye is there at #6, they would pass on him?

Yes. They would use him for trade bait


For pete's sake...
RE: bw in dc  
bw in dc : 4/19/2024 5:48 pm : link
In comment 16475765 Eric from BBI said:
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If you end up being correct about Daniel Jones, I'm going on a bender with you.


I'll save you a seat.
RE: I share the concern though of others that  
jvm52106 : 4/19/2024 5:48 pm : link
In comment 16475775 LW_Giants said:
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if JJM is there guy, and there's no chance of getting him....what's the plan at QB lol.

Trade down maybe opens up the possibility of Penix/Nix (although sounds like Pats will do whatever it takes to get Nix), but otherwise I guess we truly are riding it back with Jones this year.

Quite the risk Schoen/Daboll are taking.


I wouldn't be too sure or concerned about that yet. First off I suspect Luck is here for a reason beyond just being the backup.. If we just needed another QB there were plenty of other options to add a 3rd body..

I think we have plans at QB that are beyond just one or two guys here and I am still sticking with Maye...
RE: RE: I'm a bit confused here  
GoDeep13 : 4/19/2024 5:50 pm : link
In comment 16475773 jvm52106 said:
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In comment 16475756 Eric from BBI said:


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if McCarthy is going 3rd, and the Giants don't like Maye, why even discuss the trade up to #4?



I think 4 is if JJM is still available.
Correct. It’s 1st round or Punt all together on QB.

Either they get the QB in round one or put the best team they can on the field for 2024 and roll the dice. They have understanding and grace from Mara/Tisch if they go the QB route.
And the  
GoDeep13 : 4/19/2024 5:52 pm : link
QBs they reportedly would trade up for are Daniels and McCarthy. But as I said earlier, Daniels is gonna be Washington’s pick
With Maye and Nabers as my top choices  
UberAlias : 4/19/2024 5:54 pm : link
I REALLY hope that you're wrong, lol. But love that you're sharing!
RE: And the  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/19/2024 5:54 pm : link
In comment 16475785 GoDeep13 said:
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QBs they reportedly would trade up for are Daniels and McCarthy. But as I said earlier, Daniels is gonna be Washington’s pick


This is completely opposite of what I heard in February that the team was really high on Maye.

I hope they get this right.

I have no problem with the WR at #6 or the trade down (as long as they get a really good package), but passing on Maye would be ballsy as hell.
So Maye may end up being the guy to drop  
UConn4523 : 4/19/2024 5:54 pm : link
like a rock?
RE: With Maye and Nabers as my top choices  
GoDeep13 : 4/19/2024 5:55 pm : link
In comment 16475787 UberAlias said:
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I REALLY hope that you're wrong, lol. But love that you're sharing!
They would take Nabers at 6 if there so don’t be sad just yet!
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