Hello all. I’ve finally been given the OK to post SOME of what has been in the works with the draft around the corner. This post also includes some information regarding the TOP 10. Let’s get started.
- It is fully believed that the 1st two picks will be Caleb Williams and Jayden Daniels respectively. Conversations have already been had with Daniels representatives and the Commanders FO. They have told Daniels that he is the pick.
- The Patriots are highest on (Caleb Williams assumed not available) Daniels, followed by Michael Penix Jr. and Bo Nix. They don’t like the inconsistency they see from Drake Maye and are scared only the lack of volume shown by McCarthy. They want a QB that is mature and tested. Someone they feel comfortable playing Year 1 and can execute at a high level. If Daniels is gone, the Patriots seem keen on trading down. However, they seem to be less likely to trade with the Giants as they value having multiple picks in the 2024 draft rather than future 2025 picks (which would bode well for the Vikings). While they need help at WR, they are likely to pass up one of the top options for more draft capital and one of Penix/Nix.
- If the Patriots trade out with Minnesota, the strong belief now is that Minnesota would go with JJ McCarthy over Drake Maye at 3. Kevin O’ Connell is said to like McCarthy’s ability to efficiently read defenses and properly distribute the ball to the correct read. McCarthy also has the arm strength to challenge all parts of the field. It’s said the Vikings are throwing the smokescreen that they like Maye as a way not to alarm the Giants, who many believe want McCarthy over Maye as well.
- The Giants have seemingly boxed out of #3. But they have a good shot at a trade to #4 as GM Ossenfort doesn’t want to trade out of the top 8. Arizona has a good haul of picks as is, but they would take a slight trade back to #6 if it meant an extra pick or two. (Reportedly it would take #6, #70, and a 2025 2nd)
- The Giants HAVE been throwing QB smokescreens and it’s viewed that they ideally want McCarthy over Maye as well. They have been using the Eli connection and the Josh Allen comps to lead teams to believe they want Maye via trade up, however, they see where Josh Allen was as a prospect and where Drake Maye is a prospect as vastly different. Allen famously didn’t have a QB coach during his time at Wyoming and was strictly succeeding off pure athletic ability. Maye has had coaching and tutelage, yet his fundamentals and processing are notably off compared to others in the class.
The belief that is building around McCarthy is that Harbaugh kind of handcuffed him a bit in Michigan’s offense. “He routinely had to convert 3rd and 5+ when he was called on to throw and he ranks right there with Caleb Williams in those situations.”
- if McCarthy, Nabers, and MHJ are off the board, the Giants would rather trade back and accumulate more picks. They like Rome Odunze, but would rather more picks to fill other areas and taking another option later in the draft at WR.
- In a trade down scenario the Giants strongly favor Quinyon Mitchell and DTs Johnny Newton and Byron Murphy.
- If the Giants can get a QB in the first, they will attempt to flip a pick for a Vet WR (Brandon Aiyuk, Tee Higgins, DeAndre Hopkins)
I should be getting one more check in before the draft.
- The Giants have seemingly boxed out of #3. But they have a good shot at a trade to #4 as GM Ossenfort doesn’t want to trade out of the top 8. Arizona has a good haul of picks as is, but they would take a slight trade back to #6 if it meant an extra pick or two. (Reportedly it would take #6, #70, and a 2025 2nd)"
So it would be Bears - Caleb; Commanders - Daniels; Vikings - McCarthy.
Why would we trade up to 4 then? Or are you saying that that's an option in the first three picks are Caleb, Daniels, Maye (to the Vikings)? I guess Schoen wouldn't want to get cute and get leapfrogged by the Broncos, Seahawks or Raiders and so he would trade up to #4 for McCarthy?
Ooh, another asshat! Come one, come all!
Great point. I still want him and want Daboll to have a chance to work with him.
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I REALLY hope that you're wrong, lol. But love that you're sharing!
They would take Nabers at 6 if there so don’t be sad just yet!
JFC
I have no problem with a trade back but hopefully not too far where they still can get Odunze because QB/McCarthy aside, WR1 is by far their biggest need.
Oh, I see it. Thanks
I really get the idea of building a team identity around a kick-ass, pound your ass defense -- complementing Burns, Dex, Thibs, Okereke with another piece like a really good 3-techique DT.
What concerns me about not addressing QB is the uproar and turmoil that would ensue about Mara calling the shots, protecting DJ, especially if they pass on Maye who is perceived by many to be in the QB top tier. Fwiw, I am really tired of that narrative.
And if the belief in DJ is real, how can you not provide him a legitimate WR #1 in a WR-rich draft class?
Could've been scouting Cedric Gray or Tez Walker? *shrugs*
I really get the idea of building a team identity around a kick-ass, pound your ass defense -- complementing Burns, Dex, Thibs, Okereke with another piece like a really good 3-techique DT.
What concerns me about not addressing QB is the uproar and turmoil that would ensue about Mara calling the shots, protecting DJ, especially if they pass on Maye who is perceived by many to be in the QB top tier. Fwiw, I am really tired of that narrative.
And if the belief in DJ is real, how can you not provide him a legitimate WR #1 in a WR-rich draft class?
I guess because they are building a “team”
Tons of holes on this roster and it’s not going to be filled overnight
- The Giants have seemingly boxed out of #3. But they have a good shot at a trade to #4 as GM Ossenfort doesn’t want to trade out of the top 8. Arizona has a good haul of picks as is, but they would take a slight trade back to #6 if it meant an extra pick or two. (Reportedly it would take #6, #70, and a 2025 2nd)"
So it would be Bears - Caleb; Commanders - Daniels; Vikings - McCarthy.
Why would we trade up to 4 then? Or are you saying that that's an option in the first three picks are Caleb, Daniels, Maye (to the Vikings)? I guess Schoen wouldn't want to get cute and get leapfrogged by the Broncos, Seahawks or Raiders and so he would trade up to #4 for McCarthy?
Get the hamster in tip top shape.
We gonna need a back up hamster.. maybe even an upgrade to a guinea pig.
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"- If the Patriots trade out with Minnesota, the strong belief now is that Minnesota would go with JJ McCarthy over Drake Maye at 3. Kevin O’ Connell is said to like McCarthy’s ability to efficiently read defenses and properly distribute the ball to the correct read. McCarthy also has the arm strength to challenge all parts of the field. It’s said the Vikings are throwing the smokescreen that they like Maye as a way not to alarm the Giants, who many believe want McCarthy over Maye as well.
- The Giants have seemingly boxed out of #3. But they have a good shot at a trade to #4 as GM Ossenfort doesn’t want to trade out of the top 8. Arizona has a good haul of picks as is, but they would take a slight trade back to #6 if it meant an extra pick or two. (Reportedly it would take #6, #70, and a 2025 2nd)"
So it would be Bears - Caleb; Commanders - Daniels; Vikings - McCarthy.
Why would we trade up to 4 then? Or are you saying that that's an option in the first three picks are Caleb, Daniels, Maye (to the Vikings)? I guess Schoen wouldn't want to get cute and get leapfrogged by the Broncos, Seahawks or Raiders and so he would trade up to #4 for McCarthy?
if VIKINGS trade up for McCarthy with NE, we stay at 6 and see who falls. If Nabers or MHJ are there. They are the pick. if Maye or Odunze are what’s left, expect the phones to be worked.
lol.
thanks for sharing this - fun thread.
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"- If the Patriots trade out with Minnesota, the strong belief now is that Minnesota would go with JJ McCarthy over Drake Maye at 3. Kevin O’ Connell is said to like McCarthy’s ability to efficiently read defenses and properly distribute the ball to the correct read. McCarthy also has the arm strength to challenge all parts of the field. It’s said the Vikings are throwing the smokescreen that they like Maye as a way not to alarm the Giants, who many believe want McCarthy over Maye as well.
- The Giants have seemingly boxed out of #3. But they have a good shot at a trade to #4 as GM Ossenfort doesn’t want to trade out of the top 8. Arizona has a good haul of picks as is, but they would take a slight trade back to #6 if it meant an extra pick or two. (Reportedly it would take #6, #70, and a 2025 2nd)"
So it would be Bears - Caleb; Commanders - Daniels; Vikings - McCarthy.
Why would we trade up to 4 then? Or are you saying that that's an option in the first three picks are Caleb, Daniels, Maye (to the Vikings)? I guess Schoen wouldn't want to get cute and get leapfrogged by the Broncos, Seahawks or Raiders and so he would trade up to #4 for McCarthy?
if Patriots trade up for McCarthy with NE, we stay at 6 and see who falls. If Nabers or MHJ are there. They are the pick. if Maye or Odunze are what’s left, expect the phones to be worked.
Thanks GoDeep. Any idea if we prefer MHJ or Nabers?
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You are wrong on the Vikings, however. They are ALL IN on Maye. And if they trade up, it will be for him.
They like Maye. I’ve just been told they seem more in on McCarthy and like his ability to properly distribute with guys like Addison, Jefferson, and Hockenson.
JJ would be fantastic in Minnesota.
My hope is if they want a QB, make the push. The Giants hired a coach who was billed as the man who developed Josh Allen. Only way this team can take a step forward.
Maye, too me, is a bit of a strange one - I don't know why. Just not a fan.
I for one, would prefer a trade back for more picks if their QB is not there. Building a kickass defense would fit the Giants as I think the Defense is closest to being competitive/strong.
Great, more turmoil!
Newton could make our defensive front scary good.
Mitchell gives us one of the best young CB duos.
This is an offensive league with an offensive minded coach with the worst offense and worst offensive skill positions in the NFL. They took Banks last year, KT the year before, traded a 2 & 5 for Burns. They can’t use a first rd pick on defense again.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m a defensive minded guy. I always loved defense more than offense. But to use another pick on defense when you finally have a chance to get the offense a legit WR1 playmaker that we’ve lacked since OBJ to me is beyond idiotic. The defense should at worst be decent. Possibly top half of league. Having an offense now without Barkley, and having DJ or Lock at QB which will Beas bad or worse than last year. Which puts more stress on the defense with more time in the field with 3 n outs. Just having a better offense should make the defense better regardless.
Less than #6 overall this year.
$47 million reasons+
If no QB then Harrison or Nabers at 6. If they are gone a trade down.
My guess is if they trade down and go defense in the 1st, they have sold Mara on a semi tank. Let Jones have one more season and again give him no weapons and look to get a QB in 2025. This team ain’t scoring points with the weapons we have with any QB.
Thanks GoDeep13 that’s me reading between the lines of you and others who post inside info.
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they would have to either trade Jones for peanuts or just let Jones go post June 1. Why would Jones camp take a snap knowing JJM is the heir apparent and he could get injured.
$47 million reasons+
he has an injury clause - pretty easy to get injured in pre-season
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they would have to either trade Jones for peanuts or just let Jones go post June 1. Why would Jones camp take a snap knowing JJM is the heir apparent and he could get injured.
$47 million reasons+
he has an injury clause - pretty easy to get injured in pre-season
That would be the Giants reason for sitting or trading him, not the Jones camp.
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they would have to either trade Jones for peanuts or just let Jones go post June 1. Why would Jones camp take a snap knowing JJM is the heir apparent and he could get injured.
$47 million reasons+
he has an injury clause - pretty easy to get injured in pre-season
That would be the Giants reason for sitting or trading him, not the Jones camp.
taking a QB will really really hurt - just say'in - no way Jones takes a snap
This makes the rumor of us getting Brandon Aiyuk more plausible if we have the rookie QB.. Keep in mind we have two WR's who are in year 3 and year 2, you don't want an all young WR group with a rookie QB on board.
Grrrrrrr
Lol
I appreciate the Godeep info...i think the other asshats that come from loud mouth family ownership convey their info in a quieter fashion..no knock, just an observation.
That would be the Giants reason for sitting or trading him, not the Jones camp.
taking a QB will really really hurt - just say'in - no way Jones takes a snap
So what, they sit out in protest? Giving up about $3 mill per week?
I am not sure what you are saying. I cannot see Jones pouting.
Ha! Great point!!!
That only makes sense if it works out that way BUT we have heard Schrager and others say Giants like JJM..
Williams.
Daniels.
McCarthy.
MHJ/Nabers.
Alt.
It would be stunning if the Giants passed on Maye. As Eric said, it would take some brass balls to do so. But I agree he would be great trade bait, and I would be very happy with Mitchell in a trade down.
Hell, if it was up to me, I'd cut him the second he'd pass a physical & just wash our hands clean.