Hello all. I’ve finally been given the OK to post SOME of what has been in the works with the draft around the corner. This post also includes some information regarding the TOP 10. Let’s get started.
- It is fully believed that the 1st two picks will be Caleb Williams and Jayden Daniels respectively. Conversations have already been had with Daniels representatives and the Commanders FO. They have told Daniels that he is the pick.
- The Patriots are highest on (Caleb Williams assumed not available) Daniels, followed by Michael Penix Jr. and Bo Nix. They don’t like the inconsistency they see from Drake Maye and are scared only the lack of volume shown by McCarthy. They want a QB that is mature and tested. Someone they feel comfortable playing Year 1 and can execute at a high level. If Daniels is gone, the Patriots seem keen on trading down. However, they seem to be less likely to trade with the Giants as they value having multiple picks in the 2024 draft rather than future 2025 picks (which would bode well for the Vikings). While they need help at WR, they are likely to pass up one of the top options for more draft capital and one of Penix/Nix.
- If the Patriots trade out with Minnesota, the strong belief now is that Minnesota would go with JJ McCarthy over Drake Maye at 3. Kevin O’ Connell is said to like McCarthy’s ability to efficiently read defenses and properly distribute the ball to the correct read. McCarthy also has the arm strength to challenge all parts of the field. It’s said the Vikings are throwing the smokescreen that they like Maye as a way not to alarm the Giants, who many believe want McCarthy over Maye as well.
- The Giants have seemingly boxed out of #3. But they have a good shot at a trade to #4 as GM Ossenfort doesn’t want to trade out of the top 8. Arizona has a good haul of picks as is, but they would take a slight trade back to #6 if it meant an extra pick or two. (Reportedly it would take #6, #70, and a 2025 2nd)
- The Giants HAVE been throwing QB smokescreens and it’s viewed that they ideally want McCarthy over Maye as well. They have been using the Eli connection and the Josh Allen comps to lead teams to believe they want Maye via trade up, however, they see where Josh Allen was as a prospect and where Drake Maye is a prospect as vastly different. Allen famously didn’t have a QB coach during his time at Wyoming and was strictly succeeding off pure athletic ability. Maye has had coaching and tutelage, yet his fundamentals and processing are notably off compared to others in the class.
The belief that is building around McCarthy is that Harbaugh kind of handcuffed him a bit in Michigan’s offense. “He routinely had to convert 3rd and 5+ when he was called on to throw and he ranks right there with Caleb Williams in those situations.”
- if McCarthy, Nabers, and MHJ are off the board, the Giants would rather trade back and accumulate more picks. They like Rome Odunze, but would rather more picks to fill other areas and taking another option later in the draft at WR.
- In a trade down scenario the Giants strongly favor Quinyon Mitchell and DTs Johnny Newton and Byron Murphy.
- If the Giants can get a QB in the first, they will attempt to flip a pick for a Vet WR (Brandon Aiyuk, Tee Higgins, DeAndre Hopkins)
I should be getting one more check in before the draft.
Especially if our trade is with Denver... Get 12 and Surtain and then draft Newton/Murphy.... That Def is looking amazing.
I appreciate the Godeep info...i think the other asshats that come from loud mouth family ownership convey their info in a quieter fashion..no knock, just an observation.
I agree - the NYGs made their bed with Jones, they will not be selecting QB this year, maybe next year or the year after, but not this year - IMO
Hell, if it was up to me, I'd cut him the second he'd pass a physical & just wash our hands clean.
I agree. Unless there is a team that would want him for a 7th rounder, I would let him go.
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Imagine him next to Dexter with Burns and KT off the edge.
Especially if our trade is with Denver... Get 12 and Surtain and then draft Newton/Murphy.... That Def is looking amazing.
A Surtain acquisition changes everything, now you could trade down again and still get a bigtime defender and then load up on 2nd and 3rd picks..
Do not discount Jared Verse who could be a monster in the NFL..
The football ops people from the Pats wanted the draft picks. But Kraft wants a QB, I am assuming he gets his way. So how this works out is anyone's guess at this point.
I appreciate the Godeep info...i think the other asshats that come from loud mouth family ownership convey their info in a quieter fashion..no knock, just an observation.
There are definitely conflicting asshat reports on the QB.
There are also conflicting asshat reports on the WRs.
Long story short, we really don't know what is going on this year.
Joe Schoen should never work again in the NFL. He'd be that fucking stupid.
This is like a slow moving disaster that I fear is going to happen.
[quote] Kraft wants a QB, was told they were high on JJM. The Giants wanted the #3 spot to grab Maye. They were willing to give up the #6, 2025 #1 and the 2025 #3.
The football ops people from the Pats wanted the draft picks. But Kraft wants a QB, I am assuming he gets his way. So how this works out is anyone's guess at this point. [/quote
If true, move up to 4 & take Drake.
Do we know what the plan is at QB if they pick a WR at 6?
Do we know what the plan is at QB if they pick a WR at 6?
Godeep said Rd 1 QB or punt to next year.
Do we know what the plan is at QB if they pick a WR at 6?
Your worst nightmare. I already asked it. You, bw in dc, christian, and I are headed for a bar.
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I didn't see it answered in the OP but I apologize if it's been answered elsewhere in the thread:
Do we know what the plan is at QB if they pick a WR at 6?
Your worst nightmare. I already asked it. You, bw in dc, christian, and I are headed for a bar.
So fucking dumb.
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In comment 16475823 Eric from BBI said:
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Imagine him next to Dexter with Burns and KT off the edge.
Especially if our trade is with Denver... Get 12 and Surtain and then draft Newton/Murphy.... That Def is looking amazing.
A Surtain acquisition changes everything, now you could trade down again and still get a bigtime defender and then load up on 2nd and 3rd picks..
Do not discount Jared Verse who could be a monster in the NFL..
How much will Surtain cost to re-sign? Cannot be cheap.
[quote] Kraft wants a QB, was told they were high on JJM. The Giants wanted the #3 spot to grab Maye. They were willing to give up the #6, 2025 #1 and the 2025 #3.
The football ops people from the Pats wanted the draft picks. But Kraft wants a QB, I am assuming he gets his way. So how this works out is anyone's guess at this point. [/quote
If true, move up to 4 & take Drake.
Maye has to be the guy..Too much is leaking about JJM and that seems pretty intentional.
@prettyrickey213
Patriots are 100% taking a QB and walking away from this draft with either Drake Maye or JJ McCarthy. If they trade down they need to be assured they'll get one of those two guys (assuming it would be JJMC since the Vikings and Broncos are so high on Maye)
It's kind of odd around the time ESPN reporting gambling odds you recently get green-lighted to post. And what you are posting couldn't be more opposite than where the money is trending. In addition, as they were quoting on ESPN that the Agent wasn’t very happy with Washington after the meeting.
With that said, I can see it - but would we all agree that if teh Giants pass of Maye, Penix, and Nix, and just oen of the 3 show to be very good next year, that we might have a staff that is just over-their-heads? I say "might" because it's possible they get a lot and the Giants get some amazing Suprises with their picks.
Building through the trenches is a pretty good strategy but you better be right with basically ignoring the QB spot. I'll say again- could have maybe had Fields.
And I don’t understand if GoDeep is suggesting that the Giants are still interested in Penix or Nix if they don’t get JJM and after Maye gets taken (assuming by Raiders or Denver).
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In comment 16475823 Eric from BBI said:
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Imagine him next to Dexter with Burns and KT off the edge.
Especially if our trade is with Denver... Get 12 and Surtain and then draft Newton/Murphy.... That Def is looking amazing.
A Surtain acquisition changes everything, now you could trade down again and still get a bigtime defender and then load up on 2nd and 3rd picks..
Do not discount Jared Verse who could be a monster in the NFL..
How much will Surtain cost to re-sign? Cannot be cheap.
Very true, but if you are going to invest big $$$$ a lockdown CB is a good place to do it….
Hopefully…we will have a QB on a rookie contract where we would be able to do it
.@AlbertBreer says the #Patriots “have prepared themselves for the possibility that they trade down,” but it’s not likely they do so.
“If you trade down, you lose the certainty that you’re gonna get the quarterback you want and I do think ownership wants a quarterback here.”
@prettyrickey213
Patriots are 100% taking a QB and walking away from this draft with either Drake Maye or JJ McCarthy. If they trade down they need to be assured they'll get one of those two guys (assuming it would be JJMC since the Vikings and Broncos are so high on Maye)
Uh oh!!!
Battle of asshat supremacy!
Good Lord.
It's kind of odd around the time ESPN reporting gambling odds you recently get green-lighted to post. And what you are posting couldn't be more opposite than where the money is trending. In addition, as they were quoting on ESPN that the Agent wasn’t very happy with Washington after the meeting.
With that said, I can see it - but would we all agree that if teh Giants pass of Maye, Penix, and Nix, and just oen of the 3 show to be very good next year, that we might have a staff that is just over-their-heads? I say "might" because it's possible they get a lot and the Giants get some amazing Suprises with their picks.
Building through the trenches is a pretty good strategy but you better be right with basically ignoring the QB spot. I'll say again- could have maybe had Fields.
And I don’t understand if GoDeep is suggesting that the Giants are still interested in Penix or Nix if they don’t get JJM and after Maye gets taken (assuming by Raiders or Denver).
According to GoDeep, Penix and Nix are not in the picture for the Giants.
Do we know what the plan is at QB if they pick a WR at 6?
Your worst nightmare. I already asked it. You, bw in dc, christian, and I are headed for a bar.
I might go right for the moonshine to try and forget.
I appreciate the Godeep info...i think the other asshats that come from loud mouth family ownership convey their info in a quieter fashion..no knock, just an observation.
I tend to agree. I love GoDeep13 and he’s nailed a bunch of stuff in the past but just the way this thread is laid out gives me pause. And that’s nothing against him, I love this shit. But the fact he lined out that this is the stuff he was allowed to put out there in an earlier post should let us all know that everything mentioned could be a smokescreen. The Giants aren’t going to give him the go ahead to blast off a bunch of info a week before the draft. If they are allowing it, there is a reason. And secondly, starting a new thread to highlight what the team is thinking could also have a motive behind it
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emerged out of no where (to me atleast), Woodstock, who claimed NYG is not taking JJM. Think Grit did too.
I appreciate the Godeep info...i think the other asshats that come from loud mouth family ownership convey their info in a quieter fashion..no knock, just an observation.
There are definitely conflicting asshat reports on the QB.
There are also conflicting asshat reports on the WRs.
Long story short, we really don't know what is going on this year.
This is true and things are always fluid.
I'd love a one-sheet review of all asshatery on Wednesday lol
@prettyrickey213
Patriots are 100% taking a QB and walking away from this draft with either Drake Maye or JJ McCarthy. If they trade down they need to be assured they'll get one of those two guys (assuming it would be JJMC since the Vikings and Broncos are so high on Maye)
This further highlights what the gambling odds are implying that Maye has more value that what is being mentioed here. Granted gambling odds don't mean much - but the timing is sort of funny.
Good Lord.
I read it as the Giants want a QB, but only the one they've fallen in full bloom love with.
If they think they're shopping hungry now they will find out for real next year when they're asking themselves if it's worth trading away picks to move up for Quinn Ewers. Or paying Jared Goff $55M a year.
Good Lord.
Everybody on the Daniel Jones train - get on board with Milton and myself - LOL future GOAT
.@AlbertBreer says the #Patriots “have prepared themselves for the possibility that they trade down,” but it’s not likely they do so.
“If you trade down, you lose the certainty that you’re gonna get the quarterback you want and I do think ownership wants a quarterback here.”
They could trade down to 6 then back up to 5 with LAC so the Vikings do not leap frog them.
If you have the conviction to trade that much, you aren't getting played by the Giants.
So much for that trade down fantasy.
Good Lord.
Not what he said at all, or maybe it is or maybe...but the way this is all going I guess I should never say never..😔
This organization is so fucking stupid if this shit is to believed that the plan is roll with Jones this fall. I sometimes wonder if I could do a better job with the QB position after spending 6 hours at a bar.
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emerged out of no where (to me atleast), Woodstock, who claimed NYG is not taking JJM. Think Grit did too.
I appreciate the Godeep info...i think the other asshats that come from loud mouth family ownership convey their info in a quieter fashion..no knock, just an observation.
I tend to agree. I love GoDeep13 and he’s nailed a bunch of stuff in the past but just the way this thread is laid out gives me pause. And that’s nothing against him, I love this shit. But the fact he lined out that this is the stuff he was allowed to put out there in an earlier post should let us all know that everything mentioned could be a smokescreen. The Giants aren’t going to give him the go ahead to blast off a bunch of info a week before the draft. If they are allowing it, there is a reason. And secondly, starting a new thread to highlight what the team is thinking could also have a motive behind it
Additionally, GoDeeps mole is agency related i believe? It's led to hits in the past. I think the best "source" for the draft will come from the loud family members of the NYG org. But even then....could be smoke/fluid
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So, in essence, what GoDeep13 is hinting @...another year hoping Jones takes the leap?
Good Lord.
Everybody on the Daniel Jones train - get on board with Milton and myself - LOL future GOAT
I mean really - why would GoDeep's sources allow him to spill these beans - really too many beans - NABERS - NABERS
.@AlbertBreer says the #Patriots “have prepared themselves for the possibility that they trade down,” but it’s not likely they do so.
“If you trade down, you lose the certainty that you’re gonna get the quarterback you want and I do think ownership wants a quarterback here.”
Can you imagine if NE loves Nix and doesn't want to risk moving down. It would change the whole first round.
Despite years of experience to the contrary I'm going to try to stay positive and tell myself the Giants couldn't possibly be that stupid.
Now we're talking - LOL - maybe this GoDeep misdirection means ODUNZE - ODUNZE
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will rise again! Mr. Minnesota
Despite years of experience to the contrary I'm going to try to stay positive and tell myself the Giants couldn't possibly be that stupid.
If they are, I'm going to have my daughter do regular artwork for the front page.
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In comment 16475980 bw in dc said:
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will rise again! Mr. Minnesota
Despite years of experience to the contrary I'm going to try to stay positive and tell myself the Giants couldn't possibly be that stupid.
If they are, I'm going to have my daughter do regular artwork for the front page.
How we soon forget - has everybody forgotten Minnesota - Milton, a little help
This reeks of John.
The football ops people from the Pats wanted the draft picks. But Kraft wants a QB, I am assuming he gets his way. So how this works out is anyone's guess at this point.
I put a lot of stock in this. If anyone watched the Dynasty, Kraft is obsessed with having a QB that he can consider a son. He talked about how Bledsoe was like a son and the Brady was like a son. The reports are that BB wanted to move on from Mac after his 2nd year but Kraft nixed it because he loved Mac. Also, Kraft has been taking a lot of hits from the NE fans between the way the Dynasty (which his production company produced) trashed and minimized Belichick and the latest ESPN story. I 100% think that he could see taking a QB who could be another son as a way to get the fans off his back. Or, put another way, he wants to avoid further negative backlash if they trade away a chance to get another franchise QB.
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In comment 16475980 bw in dc said:
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will rise again! Mr. Minnesota
Despite years of experience to the contrary I'm going to try to stay positive and tell myself the Giants couldn't possibly be that stupid.
If they are, I'm going to have my daughter do regular artwork for the front page.
👍
It would be SO disheartening.
If he is truly the gu, would any price be to high ? A top 10 QB in the league is worth a lot. Not saying he is that
I'd also be surprised if the Giants didn't take a QB somewhere in this draft, especially if they acquired extra picks by trading down. But Schoen may have been telling the truth when he said that he was comfortable with the current QB room. Wow.
If true, I, uh, just can't. John Mara seems like a good person, but if so he's 1) delusional or 2) so taken with Jones for reasons I'll never understand. Perhaps if Jones sticks around long enough, he'll wed a Mara & John can have someone he can hang around with at family functions. I don't know. The priority obviously isn't winning.