Hello all. I’ve finally been given the OK to post SOME of what has been in the works with the draft around the corner. This post also includes some information regarding the TOP 10. Let’s get started.
- It is fully believed that the 1st two picks will be Caleb Williams and Jayden Daniels respectively. Conversations have already been had with Daniels representatives and the Commanders FO. They have told Daniels that he is the pick.
- The Patriots are highest on (Caleb Williams assumed not available) Daniels, followed by Michael Penix Jr. and Bo Nix. They don’t like the inconsistency they see from Drake Maye and are scared only the lack of volume shown by McCarthy. They want a QB that is mature and tested. Someone they feel comfortable playing Year 1 and can execute at a high level. If Daniels is gone, the Patriots seem keen on trading down. However, they seem to be less likely to trade with the Giants as they value having multiple picks in the 2024 draft rather than future 2025 picks (which would bode well for the Vikings). While they need help at WR, they are likely to pass up one of the top options for more draft capital and one of Penix/Nix.
- If the Patriots trade out with Minnesota, the strong belief now is that Minnesota would go with JJ McCarthy over Drake Maye at 3. Kevin O’ Connell is said to like McCarthy’s ability to efficiently read defenses and properly distribute the ball to the correct read. McCarthy also has the arm strength to challenge all parts of the field. It’s said the Vikings are throwing the smokescreen that they like Maye as a way not to alarm the Giants, who many believe want McCarthy over Maye as well.
- The Giants have seemingly boxed out of #3. But they have a good shot at a trade to #4 as GM Ossenfort doesn’t want to trade out of the top 8. Arizona has a good haul of picks as is, but they would take a slight trade back to #6 if it meant an extra pick or two. (Reportedly it would take #6, #70, and a 2025 2nd)
- The Giants HAVE been throwing QB smokescreens and it’s viewed that they ideally want McCarthy over Maye as well. They have been using the Eli connection and the Josh Allen comps to lead teams to believe they want Maye via trade up, however, they see where Josh Allen was as a prospect and where Drake Maye is a prospect as vastly different. Allen famously didn’t have a QB coach during his time at Wyoming and was strictly succeeding off pure athletic ability. Maye has had coaching and tutelage, yet his fundamentals and processing are notably off compared to others in the class.
The belief that is building around McCarthy is that Harbaugh kind of handcuffed him a bit in Michigan’s offense. “He routinely had to convert 3rd and 5+ when he was called on to throw and he ranks right there with Caleb Williams in those situations.”
- if McCarthy, Nabers, and MHJ are off the board, the Giants would rather trade back and accumulate more picks. They like Rome Odunze, but would rather more picks to fill other areas and taking another option later in the draft at WR.
- In a trade down scenario the Giants strongly favor Quinyon Mitchell and DTs Johnny Newton and Byron Murphy.
- If the Giants can get a QB in the first, they will attempt to flip a pick for a Vet WR (Brandon Aiyuk, Tee Higgins, DeAndre Hopkins)
I should be getting one more check in before the draft.
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will rise again! Mr. Minnesota
Despite years of experience to the contrary I'm going to try to stay positive and tell myself the Giants couldn't possibly be that stupid.
"Stupid is as stupid does."
Forrest Gump.
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In comment 16475984 Go Terps said:
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In comment 16475980 bw in dc said:
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will rise again! Mr. Minnesota
Despite years of experience to the contrary I'm going to try to stay positive and tell myself the Giants couldn't possibly be that stupid.
If they are, I'm going to have my daughter do regular artwork for the front page.
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It would be SO disheartening.
Got to get some popcorn and nachos ready for Thursday night. Just a matter of which mind numbing elixir I will consume watching the site burn down.
Gonna by an interesting week watching people work themselves into a frenzy!
Check me into rehab.
Same, lol
If true, I, uh, just can't. John Mara seems like a good person, but if so he's 1) delusional or 2) so taken with Jones for reasons I'll never understand. Perhaps if Jones sticks around long enough, he'll wed a Mara & John can have someone he can hang around with at family functions. I don't know. The priority obviously isn't winning.
Mara is not directing this. Please stop. We have already learned that Schoen can do what he wants at QB. Yes he may like Jones, but the Giants are his passion. So I believe the team vastly outpaces the player.
I have to believe that much of this simply has to be subterfuge. There is no way this team is passing on Drake Maye or Jayden Daniels if either is there at six and choosing instead to run it back with DJ! Can you imagine??? That would be without question the most catastrophic draft day mistake this franchise will have ever made. And with draft day disasters like Cedric Jones, Rocky Thompson, Thomas Lewis and DJ himself, that is truly saying something.
I simply have to believe that the JJM narrative is the ultimate smoke screen on every level to either enhance the trade value of teams wanting to trade back, or to get other teams off the Daniels/Maye trail. I am just not sure what GM is dumb enough to buy any of it though. If it turns out to be Schoen, BW will indeed be proven right on every level about him!
Can we at least wait until the actual draft results before the whining? Come on.
If JS can pull it off even by getting to 4 he is a magician
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Let's face facts: the Giants are a stupid AF organization. Since 2014-the last 10 seasons-the Giants have lost double digit games eight times. EIGHT! You almost have to try to be that bad in a league made for parity.
Can we at least wait until the actual draft results before the whining? Come on.
Huh? That's not whining. Those are facts. The Giants have been a dumpster fire the last decade.
We are currently entering into year 3 of the current organization....they should not be responsible for the previous decade.....as most of the current leaders were not here.
Do we know what the plan is at QB if they pick a WR at 6?
Once he can pass a physical this year, waive him. Close the fucking book.
If Maye is sitting there at 6 and NYG passes could you imagine the fan reaction? If they pass on him for another QB fine, but for a WR? I don't see it.
The concern, based on the information GoDeep is sharing (huge thanks to him, by the way) is that the Giants might laser focus on one guy in a class of six pretty close candidates. It's a flawed methodology that for some reason is applied to quarterbacks but not other positions.
This reeks of John.
Here we go. I knew it would be coming.
They might want to replace Jones, but conclude JJM and Maye aren't worth the price.
We're not witnessing a doofus like Gettleman taking in a few Senior Bowl snaps pulling a Kenny Powers. Schoen is doing a thorough evaluation, but that doesn't guarantee any outcomes.
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I didn't see it answered in the OP but I apologize if it's been answered elsewhere in the thread:
Do we know what the plan is at QB if they pick a WR at 6?
Punt. It’s expected Nix and Penix will go 1st round Giants won’t give up to trade for Nix. Penix all depends on where he falls.
Thanks again for the info. Really appreciate it.
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I didn't see it answered in the OP but I apologize if it's been answered elsewhere in the thread:
Do we know what the plan is at QB if they pick a WR at 6?
Punt. It’s expected Nix and Penix will go 1st round Giants won’t give up to trade for Nix. Penix all depends on where he falls.
If Nix is available on day two, will he be in play for Schoen?
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That's pretty clear by their actions. This thread has some trolling going on to rile people up. But, they've been all over the country with these QB prospects.
They might want to replace Jones, but conclude JJM and Maye aren't worth the price.
We're not witnessing a doofus like Gettleman taking in a few Senior Bowl snaps pulling a Kenny Powers. Schoen is doing a thorough evaluation, but that doesn't guarantee any outcomes.
If they can't get a QB via draft I expect Lock to start.
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No. I think the Giants are this stupid. And if true, F all that ‘Mara isn’t dictating shit’ talk.
This reeks of John.
Here we go. I knew it would be coming.
I could be completely wrong. I'm willing to admit that. But if Maye is there @ 6 & we pass on him considering all the nuggets we've gotten from the beats/Eric...I think John might be stepping in. Again, I could be completely off base. But the thought of passing on Maye & watching him become a stud QB-which I think he could be-sickens me.
If they can't get a QB via draft I expect Lock to start.
"Can't get a QB via the draft" is unacceptable.
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That's pretty clear by their actions. This thread has some trolling going on to rile people up. But, they've been all over the country with these QB prospects.
The concern, based on the information GoDeep is sharing (huge thanks to him, by the way) is that the Giants might laser focus on one guy in a class of six pretty close candidates. It's a flawed methodology that for some reason is applied to quarterbacks but not other positions.
This I agree with. I wish they'd pivot at take Penix at 6.
This is what drives me nuts about QBs and the draft. Penix is likely going in the first, possibly at 13 to Seattle. But, the Giants can't take him at 6? If he hits at 13, he'd hit at 6.
Sometimes that's good and sometimes that's bad. I find it hard to believe that they only like a single QB in this class. If that's the case then they're really not actually looking to replace Daniel.
It's the same risk profile as drafting Evan Neal. You needed a tackle, there were a few options. You picked wrong, he's probably not going to make it. No one gets fired.
Apply the same damn thing to quarterback.
But if they move up for JJM and then swing a trade for a vet WR, that leaves the cupboard pretty bare.
Can they go to 4 with 6+70+2025 3rd AND get Aiyuk with a 2025 2nd?
This is has been a crazy offseason and its only getting started.
I hope people in the Giants organization realize this.
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In comment 16476031 Sean said:
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That's pretty clear by their actions. This thread has some trolling going on to rile people up. But, they've been all over the country with these QB prospects.
The concern, based on the information GoDeep is sharing (huge thanks to him, by the way) is that the Giants might laser focus on one guy in a class of six pretty close candidates. It's a flawed methodology that for some reason is applied to quarterbacks but not other positions.
This I agree with. I wish they'd pivot at take Penix at 6.
This is what drives me nuts about QBs and the draft. Penix is likely going in the first, possibly at 13 to Seattle. But, the Giants can't take him at 6? If he hits at 13, he'd hit at 6.
It’s most likely they don’t like Penix. Immobile and doesn’t handle pressure well is not a formula that works in the NFL.
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In comment 16476031 Sean said:
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That's pretty clear by their actions. This thread has some trolling going on to rile people up. But, they've been all over the country with these QB prospects.
They might want to replace Jones, but conclude JJM and Maye aren't worth the price.
We're not witnessing a doofus like Gettleman taking in a few Senior Bowl snaps pulling a Kenny Powers. Schoen is doing a thorough evaluation, but that doesn't guarantee any outcomes.
If they can't get a QB via draft I expect Lock to start.
It's the same risk profile as drafting Evan Neal. You needed a tackle, there were a few options. You picked wrong, he's probably not going to make it. No one gets fired.
Apply the same damn thing to quarterback.
I've said several times I like Maye least of these 6. Butt if he's there at 6 and they take him, that's fucking great! I'm all for it.
It's not flip out time yet. We'll see what actually happens next week...
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That's pretty clear by their actions. This thread has some trolling going on to rile people up. But, they've been all over the country with these QB prospects.
The concern, based on the information GoDeep is sharing (huge thanks to him, by the way) is that the Giants might laser focus on one guy in a class of six pretty close candidates. It's a flawed methodology that for some reason is applied to quarterbacks but not other positions.
They're not laser focusing on one of six. You don't think Daboll wants CW? Or JD? They're not options. QB1 and QB2 will be off the board. They're finding one (or two) from QB3 to QB6. In any other year the hit rate from that universe of players is very low. It's no wonder they like only one or two from that group.
^^^. At least the 1st few games.
Unless the asshat is Joe Schoen himself I am not buying it. I am fairly confident that Schoen is buttoned up and competent enough to avoid leaks from getting out - and that strategy may include misdirection and smokescreens within the team building.
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In comment 16476031 Sean said:
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That's pretty clear by their actions. This thread has some trolling going on to rile people up. But, they've been all over the country with these QB prospects.
The concern, based on the information GoDeep is sharing (huge thanks to him, by the way) is that the Giants might laser focus on one guy in a class of six pretty close candidates. It's a flawed methodology that for some reason is applied to quarterbacks but not other positions.
They're not laser focusing on one of six. You don't think Daboll wants CW? Or JD? They're not options. QB1 and QB2 will be off the board. They're finding one (or two) from QB3 to QB6. In any other year the hit rate from that universe of players is very low. It's no wonder they like only one or two from that group.
This is true too. However, how often are there even 6 viable QB options to evaluate in a draft? This situation likely to repeat itself anytime soon.
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publicly on an internet website? Is letting the world know they we don't want Maye really useful?
I won’t say you or right or wrong. I will even potentially undercut myself by saying I have been told what I CAN say and what I CAN’T say.
The fact that you are saying all this about McCarthy might lead me to believe Maye truly is their #1 guy.
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^^^. At least the 1st few games.
He seems like a good dude, hard worker. But I can't wait to move on. Again, cut him the day he passes a physical.
You can over draft a QB, I don’t happen to like any of these QBs but can understand taking one at 6. I can’t understand passing on an Elite WR for a good defensive player. Elite players are hard to find. Especially ones at high value positions. Build around elite players.
I enjoy defense, but this isn’t the year to pass on WR.
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So, in essence, what GoDeep13 is hinting @...another year hoping Jones takes the leap?
Good Lord.
Everybody on the Daniel Jones train - get on board with Milton and myself - LOL future GOAT
That's not a train, that's a clown car.
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^^^. At least the 1st few games.
That is a picture of me contemplating another year of DJ quarterbacking.
We'll ask be waiting with baited breath for Eli Manning to come out of retirement so the Giants finally take the leap.
"Not just any QB will do." You have got to be kidding me.
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They want a new QB. But, not just any QB will do.
We'll ask be waiting with baited breath for Eli Manning to come out of retirement so the Giants finally take the leap.
"Not just any QB will do." You have got to be kidding me.
So, it doesn’t matter who they take as long as it’s a QB. And that’s not how they got DJ? Just about what I’d expect from you.