Hello all. I’ve finally been given the OK to post SOME of what has been in the works with the draft around the corner. This post also includes some information regarding the TOP 10. Let’s get started.
- It is fully believed that the 1st two picks will be Caleb Williams and Jayden Daniels respectively. Conversations have already been had with Daniels representatives and the Commanders FO. They have told Daniels that he is the pick.
- The Patriots are highest on (Caleb Williams assumed not available) Daniels, followed by Michael Penix Jr. and Bo Nix. They don’t like the inconsistency they see from Drake Maye and are scared only the lack of volume shown by McCarthy. They want a QB that is mature and tested. Someone they feel comfortable playing Year 1 and can execute at a high level. If Daniels is gone, the Patriots seem keen on trading down. However, they seem to be less likely to trade with the Giants as they value having multiple picks in the 2024 draft rather than future 2025 picks (which would bode well for the Vikings). While they need help at WR, they are likely to pass up one of the top options for more draft capital and one of Penix/Nix.
- If the Patriots trade out with Minnesota, the strong belief now is that Minnesota would go with JJ McCarthy over Drake Maye at 3. Kevin O’ Connell is said to like McCarthy’s ability to efficiently read defenses and properly distribute the ball to the correct read. McCarthy also has the arm strength to challenge all parts of the field. It’s said the Vikings are throwing the smokescreen that they like Maye as a way not to alarm the Giants, who many believe want McCarthy over Maye as well.
- The Giants have seemingly boxed out of #3. But they have a good shot at a trade to #4 as GM Ossenfort doesn’t want to trade out of the top 8. Arizona has a good haul of picks as is, but they would take a slight trade back to #6 if it meant an extra pick or two. (Reportedly it would take #6, #70, and a 2025 2nd)
- The Giants HAVE been throwing QB smokescreens and it’s viewed that they ideally want McCarthy over Maye as well. They have been using the Eli connection and the Josh Allen comps to lead teams to believe they want Maye via trade up, however, they see where Josh Allen was as a prospect and where Drake Maye is a prospect as vastly different. Allen famously didn’t have a QB coach during his time at Wyoming and was strictly succeeding off pure athletic ability. Maye has had coaching and tutelage, yet his fundamentals and processing are notably off compared to others in the class.
The belief that is building around McCarthy is that Harbaugh kind of handcuffed him a bit in Michigan’s offense. “He routinely had to convert 3rd and 5+ when he was called on to throw and he ranks right there with Caleb Williams in those situations.”
- if McCarthy, Nabers, and MHJ are off the board, the Giants would rather trade back and accumulate more picks. They like Rome Odunze, but would rather more picks to fill other areas and taking another option later in the draft at WR.
- In a trade down scenario the Giants strongly favor Quinyon Mitchell and DTs Johnny Newton and Byron Murphy.
- If the Giants can get a QB in the first, they will attempt to flip a pick for a Vet WR (Brandon Aiyuk, Tee Higgins, DeAndre Hopkins)
I should be getting one more check in before the draft.
Well, we’ve got every QB on the board as our fav. Gonna be interesting.
Thank you for the intel!
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In comment 16475785 GoDeep13 said:
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QBs they reportedly would trade up for are Daniels and McCarthy. But as I said earlier, Daniels is gonna be Washington’s pick
This is completely opposite of what I heard in February that the team was really high on Maye.
I hope they get this right.
I have no problem with the WR at #6 or the trade down (as long as they get a really good package), but passing on Maye would be ballsy as hell.
They’ve fallen in love with McCarthy. His personality is infectious and he’s been top notch on the board.
I can't believe I missed this thread. I got my popcorn ready.
We'll ask be waiting with baited breath for Eli Manning to come out of retirement so the Giants finally take the leap.
"Not just any QB will do." You have got to be kidding me.
If Schoen and Daboll move forward with Daniel Jones 6.0, I think you can draw two conclusions:
1. They have been given assurances their jobs are very secure at 1925 Giants Way. Or...
2. They are two of the dumbest evaluators of talent, especially Schoen, in the NFL.
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In comment 16475745 Eric from BBI said:
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Are you saying that if Maye is there at #6, they would pass on him?
Yes. They would use him for trade bait
Wow. Are we looking at a Levis-type fall or close to it?
It has always been hugely likely that we won’t see 4 QBs in the top 6, and probably not in the top 10. Fans think only quarterbacks matter, but in NFL history it’s never happened to have 4 QBs in the first 6 and it won’t start this year, probably.
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publicly on an internet website? Is letting the world know they we don't want Maye really useful?
I won’t say you or right or wrong. I will even potentially undercut myself by saying I have been told what I CAN say and what I CAN’T say.
What you can't say being that we have a deal with NE secured if Jayden Daniels goes 2nd. ;) I made a prediction saying we would trade a haul for pick 3 to get JJM and I was sticking to it, I haven't mentioned it since because the anti-JJM crowd here is inabdominable.
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No. I think the Giants are this stupid. And if true, F all that ‘Mara isn’t dictating shit’ talk.
This reeks of John.
Here we go. I knew it would be coming.
Don’t fall for the trick here- this is a poster so laser fixated on the Giants drafting Maye that he is just projecting now- he can’t accept that his unshakeable belief that Maye is the best QB might be wrong and that the Giants don’t believe in Maye. So instead of accepting that he might be wrong, he switches gears and invokes the boogeyman of the owner interfering.
Grow up man and stop acting like a 6 year old
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We'll ask be waiting with baited breath for Eli Manning to come out of retirement so the Giants finally take the leap.
"Not just any QB will do." You have got to be kidding me.
If Schoen and Daboll move forward with Daniel Jones 6.0, I think you can draw two conclusions:
1. They have been given assurances their jobs are very secure at 1925 Giants Way. Or...
2. They are two of the dumbest evaluators of talent, especially Schoen, in the NFL.
I take it as Jones is their guy. They've had 3 years and they didn't try to replace him. That's that.
How far will Maye drop?
Thank you Deep.
I am happy not to put any emotional investment on draft choices....
I am happy that it does not look like the Giants will be trading up and giving up the farm.
I am a believer with so many holes trading back makes sense
Because we obviously don't know if the Vikings or Patriots would take Maye at 3, but we assume they see it similar to how we do and like JJM a lot more. That's my guess.
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We'll ask be waiting with baited breath for Eli Manning to come out of retirement so the Giants finally take the leap.
"Not just any QB will do." You have got to be kidding me.
If Schoen and Daboll move forward with Daniel Jones 6.0, I think you can draw two conclusions:
1. They have been given assurances their jobs are very secure at 1925 Giants Way. Or...
2. They are two of the dumbest evaluators of talent, especially Schoen, in the NFL.
Yeah, they should just ignore their scouts and their own evaluation and just take whatever QB is there no matter what they think of him. That’s a great idea.
Its career suicide for Schoen and he knows it.
The move up for MAYE ONLY would be for some combination of 2’s and 3’s over the next couple years.
Love to hear this, if we could get JJM without having to trade a king's ransom that has been my ideal first round for months. Are you the one with the Vikings insider friend?
Yeah, they should just ignore their scouts and their own evaluation and just take whatever QB is there no matter what they think of him. That’s a great idea.
How about the evaluation that they don't have a quarterback? When does that evaluation come in?
I think Maye is being “over evaluated” and the guy has a shot to be top NFL QB. That is worth the risk at 6.
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Yeah, they should just ignore their scouts and their own evaluation and just take whatever QB is there no matter what they think of him. That’s a great idea.
How about the evaluation that they don't have a quarterback? When does that evaluation come in?
People seem to forget that the losing and dysfunction they fear will result from drafting a QB that busts, we are already there.
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Yeah, they should just ignore their scouts and their own evaluation and just take whatever QB is there no matter what they think of him. That’s a great idea.
How about the evaluation that they don't have a quarterback? When does that evaluation come in?
When they find one worth getting at a price that makes sense. This has been explained over and over again, yet some are stuck on... but but but Jones.
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Yeah, they should just ignore their scouts and their own evaluation and just take whatever QB is there no matter what they think of him. That’s a great idea.
How about the evaluation that they don't have a quarterback? When does that evaluation come in?
And getting a QB that is not any better than what they have is fixing that. Good plan.
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You are wrong on the Vikings, however. They are ALL IN on Maye. And if they trade up, it will be for him.
Ooh, another asshat! Come one, come all!
And the compensation for AZ's pick 4 is about what I predicted which was 2025 2nd and 3rd. I think Sky King is the one with the Vikings friend and he's been adamant that the Vikings love Maye and their fallback is Penix, not JJM. This could work out perfectly for us to get JJM at 4 for pick 6, 70 and 2025 2nd. I've had a vision about JJM as out QB for months. I just feel it, and the trade at 4 for 2025 2nd plus a 3rd has been my hope (outside of the unrealistic dream of JJM at 6).
Hopefully Joe makes the appropriate response and goes ahead to #3 or 4 to ensure they land him.
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and I might rather have Nix if we can spend the #6 on Nabers.
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In comment 16476092 Go Terps said:
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We'll ask be waiting with baited breath for Eli Manning to come out of retirement so the Giants finally take the leap.
"Not just any QB will do." You have got to be kidding me.
If Schoen and Daboll move forward with Daniel Jones 6.0, I think you can draw two conclusions:
1. They have been given assurances their jobs are very secure at 1925 Giants Way. Or...
2. They are two of the dumbest evaluators of talent, especially Schoen, in the NFL.
Yeah, they should just ignore their scouts and their own evaluation and just take whatever QB is there no matter what they think of him. That’s a great idea.
You deserve to have Daniel Jones trotting back out there for season number 6 and you deserve the fucking shit fest that is sure to follow. You can keep repeating this same bullshit over and over again all you want but bw is right. If they honestly looked at ALL of the QBs available not only in this draft but also QBs that were available in FA/trades this offseason and came away thinking NONE of them were worth moving on from Jones for, then they absolutely suck at their jobs and they deserve the same outcome as you do
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In comment 16476119 BillT said:
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Yeah, they should just ignore their scouts and their own evaluation and just take whatever QB is there no matter what they think of him. That’s a great idea.
How about the evaluation that they don't have a quarterback? When does that evaluation come in?
When they find one worth getting at a price that makes sense. This has been explained over and over again, yet some are stuck on... but but but Jones.
What does that look like? The Giants have only drafted 3 first round QBs since 1979 so you'll forgive me if I ask what that player looks like.
Sorry, not sorry. I think Maye is still the target.
You deserve to have Daniel Jones trotting back out there for season number 6 and you deserve the fucking shit fest that is sure to follow. You can keep repeating this same bullshit over and over again all you want but bw is right. If they honestly looked at ALL of the QBs available not only in this draft but also QBs that were available in FA/trades this offseason and came away thinking NONE of them were worth moving on from Jones for, then they absolutely suck at their jobs and they deserve the same outcome as you do [/quote]
You’ve got the wrong guy. I’m perfectly happy to replace Jones. I’m also not so myopic about it to believe that any QB will be an improvement. The idea that we have to get a QB is what got us Jones.
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But you can't say "we need a quarterback". You CAN say "we need a quarterback that fits an extremely precise physical, mental, and emotional profile. If this draft doesn't have that guy we can wait."
The Giants are the guy with the associate's degree in English holding out for a job that pays six figures.
But you can't say "we need a quarterback". You CAN say "we need a quarterback that fits an extremely precise physical, mental, and emotional profile. If this draft doesn't have that guy we can wait."
The Giants are the guy with the associate's degree in English holding out for a job that pays six figures.
What’s really remarkable is that none of this is true.
So are you hearing that the Giants would trade up for Maye at 3 or 4 or 5, but if that fails then we take MHJ or Nabers or Odunze whoever is available at 6 and pass on JJM?
Typical for this fanbase. Crying over draft rumors. Not a damn thing has happened yet and just about every possible outcome has now been covered by a number of different asshats.
But you can't say "we need a quarterback". You CAN say "we need a quarterback that fits an extremely precise physical, mental, and emotional profile. If this draft doesn't have that guy we can wait."
The Giants are the guy with the associate's degree in English holding out for a job that pays six figures.
To add on, it’s this nonsense you need a conviction or to fall in love. This kind of thinking leads to holding into too long. Too many chances. Afraid to bring in competition by drafting new guys continually and over evaluation of things that tend to verify your conviction or falling in love or one game .
There are 6 QBs in this draft. take one. We should have taken one in 2018. We would have had a 50/50 shot of drafting a HOFer at QB.
Woodstock, Giantgrit, Ralph Vacchiano: Maye
Am I right? Who am I missing?
Oh, it is going to go on all weekend. There is so much chain jerking going on by pundits and prognosticators that you can find whatever scenario you want that fits your needs. It is so crazy that the GMs themselves might be losing track. We even have usually reliable asshats contradicting each other.
I think it’s hilarious. One asshat sets off the board with information that might be a smokescreen and a bunch of us posters are taking it to heart. Can’t believe the hysteria on this board. GoDeep also said that he’s not allowed to give all the information. I just find it very hard that the game plan is being divulge a week before the draft by an insider. Can’t take this seriously until the draft actually happens.
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The don't want McCarthy. If not Maye they want a WR. I'm not a jerk trolling for shits and giggles. I'm gonna say again. The source is someone who is involved with the Giants draft plans
So are you hearing that the Giants would trade up for Maye at 3 or 4 or 5, but if that fails then we take MHJ or Nabers or Odunze whoever is available at 6 and pass on JJM?
I honestly don't believe any of what is being said. Schoen seems to maybe even have told his team to tell people we don't like guys we like. It sounds like GoDeep has more he can't share yet, and his track record is legit. Peppers also hinted we like JJM. Would it be that shocking if Schoen instructed everyone to say we don't want JJM? Maybe the same can be said about Maye? Perhaps Schoen has instructed people to say we don't like Maye too. And there's a chance he likes both of them enough to trade a 3rd and 2025 and with pick swap via AZ, but doesn't want to pay the king's ransom for either at 3. Could that not be possible? GoDeep specifically requested his source not tell him straight lies. I predict the part he isn't able to share yet is that we have deals in place. Also, why do people think his connections are in the agency world? How would agents get inside information like GoDeep does? I'd guess his connection is much more direct than an agency.
Woodstock, Giantgrit, Ralph Vacchiano: Maye
Am I right? Who am I missing?
There's likely a good chance we want either of them at 4, but neither at 3.
Woodstock, Giantgrit, Ralph Vacchiano: Maye
Am I right? Who am I missing?
Also Peppers hinted at JJM too