Tom Pelissero is the writer who put together that huge piece on the QB class with all of the quotes.
On Eisen's show, he said they belief around the NFL is the Vikings and Giants are the most likely to trade up (not his belief, but what he's being told by other NFL teams).
When pressed by Eisen about which team may be left holding the bag without a QB, he said the Giants because he said the Vikings simply may be able to offer more (this was his opinion).
However, he also said the Vikings may be OK with other options at QB (i.e., Penix or Nix) if things don't work out their way.
On Maye, some teams consider him the second best QB in the draft. But some think he needs to be treated like Love in Green Bay (sit a couple of years).
He said McCarthy blew teams away at his Pro Day.
He said the Broncos are just as likely to trade down and take Nix as move up.
It's a matter of IF Joe would do it.
It's a matter of IF Joe would do it.
Three #1s (including two this year) plus possible additional picks? Vikings have a more complete roster and can afford to part ways with picks more too.
The path we need is for NE to take a QB and then we trade up to 4 or NE to trade with MINN and then we trade up to 4
In that scenario, the 4th QB may also fall to six, without any trade up.
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Giants can offer more than the Vikings.
It's a matter of IF Joe would do it.
Three #1s (including two this year) plus possible additional picks? Vikings have a more complete roster and can afford to part ways with picks more too.
The Giants 6 and 47 is worth more than their 11 and 23. If we talk additional picks, they already lost their 2nd for next year because of the move up in the 23 (Texsns trade). No 2nd or 3rd this year. Each team can move their 1 next year, of course. As for fewer holes, I think they're more ready to compete but their defense notably is really lacking. They lost their best defensive player.
Isn't it funny. When the Giants beat them in the playoffs they are a doormat. When the Giants compete with them for a QB, they're a loaded roster that's just a QB away.
He said McCarthy blew teams away at his Pro Day.
Eisen wouldn’t have had him on the show if he didn’t say that.
That extra 23 pick plus the 11 pick is enough to trade us for our 6 pick btw
Are they a more complete roster? I dont see how a rookie QB gets a 7-10 anywhere significant on paper
Yeah they have Jefferson but what else? They had tbe absolute worst defense in NFL when we beat them in playoffs in 2022.
They lost Danielle Hunter and their own other Pro Bowler was a long snapper & FB
The Giants have 3 players who rank at absolute top of their positions- LWrence, Thomas and Burns
Again the Giants 6 + 47 is a better offer than the Vikings 11 + 23
The Giants first next year is at worst equal to theirs and they dont have a second round pick next year
If the Vikings are able to offer more its because they have decided they need a QB more than we have.
It's easier to sell their fan base if they receive three #1 picks. I posted this morning from an article:
"Jerod Mayo admitted it would take a “bag” to move out of the No. 3 pick. And NBC Sports Boston’s Tom Curran reported that internally the belief is that it would take more than three first-round picks."
OK is not good enough. Giants should LOVE a QB to pick them this high.
If the Patriots didn't oppose getting a Penix or Nix, they can afford to take that move altogether. If they swapped with the Giants and Schoen pushed his chips in, they can still get the leftover between Maye and McCarthy at 6, or still those "big 3" wide receivers.
It all depends how aggressive Schoen is.
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Giants can offer more than the Vikings.
It's a matter of IF Joe would do it.
Three #1s (including two this year) plus possible additional picks? Vikings have a more complete roster and can afford to part ways with picks more too.
The Vikings are also apparently very likely to get two third round comp picks next year. That would probably increase their willingness to offer more draft capital this year and next to try and move up.
There is just some undefinable quality NFL QBs have. You can either do it or you can't. So many times the guys who are considered pro-ready can't play, and the guys that are considered projects can.
If they like one of the QBs they've got to take him, and hope Daboll gets good play out of him. Surround with a good situation and develop him properly.
If we don't draft a QB at the end of this draft, which means Schoen has re-hitched his future to Jones, then he should be under immense pressure.
He will be declaring the team is ready to go with a 6th year veteran making $40M per year.
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He said the Broncos are just as likely to trade down and take Nix as move up.
I agree, I think Nix screams Sean Payton QB to me. I have to wonder how much of an appetite they have to give up future firsts after the Russ Wilson experiment.
That scenario makes sense. Otherwise I can see the Giants missing out completely on a QB.
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the best shot for the Giants is for the Vikings to trade up to #3, and the Giants being OK with the remaining QB (McCarthy or Maye).
That scenario makes sense. Otherwise I can see the Giants missing out completely on a QB.
This is my current belief and hope, maybe just a belief because it's what I hope ha.
Long shot scenario, but would be thrilled with that outcome.
Long shot scenario, but would be thrilled with that outcome.
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I assume they have both spoken to the Cardinal and Chargers at #4 and #5.
Extremely unlikely, but there could very well be 4 QBs off the board when the Giants go on the clock at #6.
Long shot scenario, but would be thrilled with that outcome.
I agree.
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Still expecting Daniels to be the pick at 2 and the Pats to stay put and take Maye or JJMC.
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Still expecting Daniels to be the pick at 2 and the Pats to stay put and take Maye or JJMC.
If the Giants are truly not high on the remaining QB (I believe we've heard they are not interested in Maye or McCarthy at 6 depending on who you believe), then I wonder if there could be a bidding war to trade down. In other words could the Giants talk the Vikings into trading with them instead of the Cardinals or Chargers?
We haven't heard as much on the Broncos, but I think there is some truth to their intentions to move up with a big picks + player package. No way Sean Payton is going into 2024 without a QB.
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Still expecting Daniels to be the pick at 2 and the Pats to stay put and take Maye or JJMC.
Wouldn't surprise me. The Vikings are supposed have the parameters of deals worked out at #3, #4 and #5 picks.
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Still expecting Daniels to be the pick at 2 and the Pats to stay put and take Maye or JJMC.
Wouldn't surprise me. The Vikings are supposed have the parameters of deals worked out at #3, #4 and #5 picks.
I think that was just essentially a click bait rumor.
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Giants can offer more than the Vikings.
It's a matter of IF Joe would do it.
Three #1s (including two this year) plus possible additional picks? Vikings have a more complete roster and can afford to part ways with picks more too.
It's not 3 1's, it's a swap and two 1's. Giants can literally offer swap and av1 while still leaving the other team inside the top 5 (if you ignore the pick the Giants would acquire)..
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Still expecting Daniels to be the pick at 2 and the Pats to stay put and take Maye or JJMC.
Wouldn't surprise me. The Vikings are supposed have the parameters of deals worked out at #3, #4 and #5 picks.
I think that was just essentially a click bait rumor.
Teams have to be prepared as I expect the Giants are prepared with similar deals ready to go depending on who they want and see falling.
Even if the Vikings trade up to 3.
I assume they have both spoken to the Cardinal and Chargers at #4 and #5.
Extremely unlikely, but there could very well be 4 QBs off the board when the Giants go on the clock at #6.
Betting odds reflect about a 2 out of 3 chance that McCarthy will go top 5.
And the other three QBs are close to %100.