I know most here will say take everything with a grain of salt, but at the same time I believe GoDeep's post has some significance. He obviously isn't going to lay out the entirety of our draft plans, but there is truth amongst probable smoke there.
He said he specifically requests that his source not tell him outright lies. And he said there is more he can't currently share. I'm trying to think of reasons he might have been given the ok to share this info and I'm trying to see what might be true vs smoke.
Here's what I've come up with and I'd like to hear your thoughts on it too. I think the part GoDeep is leaving out is that we have a deal in place with AZ for the reported cost of pick 6, 70 and 2025 2nd. I don't think they have this deal in place for just one QB. I think they are ok with Daniels (highly unlikely) or JJM or Maye for that cost. I think they have JJM and Maye in the same tier, but they prefer Maye slightly which is why the Maye part is pure smoke in hopes of Maye being the one to fall to 4. Now, the whole post could be pure smoke but I believe GoDeep when he says be requests his source not tell him outright lies. GoDeep's post is not based in an outright lie if they like both JJM and Maye and feel like they have a solid deal in place to get one of them, while still having a slight preference for Maye.
This is the only scenario I can see both GoDeep not being told a pure smoke bomb of outright lies and him being given the green light to share this information.
What do you think?
If it's just a trade for Maye and they don't want JJM, then GoDeep's post is basically an outright lie from his source. That could be possible, but I don't see it. That's why after considering every possible scenario based on his post I think the most likely possibility is we have a trade in place to 4 and we like both Maye and JJM with a slight preference for Maye (hence the part about Maye not being liked). That would make his source not telling him an outright lie, more like a smoke-veiled truth the Giants are ok with letting out because they know they're going to get one of them.
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I think a trade up to 4 for Drake seems very possible.
If it's just a trade for Maye and they don't want JJM, then GoDeep's post is basically an outright lie from his source. That could be possible, but I don't see it. That's why after considering every possible scenario based on his post I think the most likely possibility is we have a trade in place to 4 and we like both Maye and JJM with a slight preference for Maye (hence the part about Maye not being liked). That would make his source not telling him an outright lie, more like a smoke-veiled truth the Giants are ok with letting out because they know they're going to get one of them.
I think you are reading into this what you want to have happen
Your predisposed to have JJ a Giant
AZ doesn't need a QB,and if they can come away with Wr1 and extra picks they will e happy
Lotta teams are clamoring for #4
We may not be willing to pay it
Nor should we
If Maye drops to us at 6...yes
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I think a trade up to 4 for Drake seems very possible.
If it's just a trade for Maye and they don't want JJM, then GoDeep's post is basically an outright lie from his source. That could be possible, but I don't see it. That's why after considering every possible scenario based on his post I think the most likely possibility is we have a trade in place to 4 and we like both Maye and JJM with a slight preference for Maye (hence the part about Maye not being liked). That would make his source not telling him an outright lie, more like a smoke-veiled truth the Giants are ok with letting out because they know they're going to get one of them.
I think you are reading into this what you want to have happen
Your predisposed to have JJ a Giant
AZ doesn't need a QB,and if they can come away with Wr1 and extra picks they will e happy
Lotta teams are clamoring for #4
We may not be willing to pay it
Nor should we
If Maye drops to us at 6...yes
I'm fine if we don't take JJM whether that means we get Maye or Penix later or defense or wr, whatever. I have faith in Schoen for at least the next year or two, he's on a slippery slope though.
So you think that GoDeep's post was based on outright lies and pure smoke then? If we don't like JJM at all and we prefer Maye or WR/trade down, then the post is based on outright lies. Which is fine and perfectly understandable, I just don't feel like that's the situation.
Holding out hope NE was bluffing on their outrageous demands for 3 and we could get Maye at 3 for the limit of what Schoen's willing to offer? That's a good question and this is my only possible answer for that.
At least one proven asshat is going to be flat wrong this draft.
If they have a deal in place with AZ, but they still prefer Maye slightly even though they're in the same tier, then GoDeep's post can't do anything to hurt the Giants draft plans. And it could potentially help if some team got wind of it and believed we really want JJM and don't want Maye while we are fine with either but prefer Maye.
No I didn't miss that part, it wouldn't be an outright lie if they really do like JJM but also like Maye and the WR stuff is true, then it's like a smoke-veiled truth, not an outright lie.
Good call, very true.
We don't know who Schoen really wants badly.
Schoens presser spoke volumes, he mentioned multiple holes
And mentioned tons of trade back offers
Our draft begins the minute pick 3 is made
Schoen doesn't seem like the type to fall full bloom in love with a prospect like Gettleman. This is football, not romance. You have calculated rankings, love is not a factor. They very well could have them ranked in the same tier with a slight preference for Maye. If they didn't have them ranked so similarly, then maybe they would feel the need to pay the king's ransom for 3.
We don't know who Schoen really wants badly.
Schoens presser spoke volumes, he mentioned multiple holes
And mentioned tons of trade back offers
Our draft begins the minute pick 3 is made
Agreed, if they like JJM and Maye they will 99% get one of them at 4. It's the only way I see GoDeep's post being (1) not an outright lie and (2) able to receive the green light.
It was Maye, not JJ.
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gives me the bad feeling that they don't LOVE either of them. They are taking a QB just to take a QB. I hope they focus on one guy and go get him. Don't draft a QB just to fill a spot. Get a QB that they love and believe in.
Schoen doesn't seem like the type to fall full bloom in love with a prospect like Gettleman. This is football, not romance. You have calculated rankings, love is not a factor. They very well could have them ranked in the same tier with a slight preference for Maye. If they didn't have them ranked so similarly, then maybe they would feel the need to pay the king's ransom for 3.
Get a great QB. Not an okay QB.
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So you think that GoDeep's post was based on outright lies and pure smoke then?
At least one proven asshat is going to be flat wrong this draft.
Yes indeed, the way GoDeep made his post so in depth leaves him able to not be flat out wrong. The others that said we are definitely not taking JJM in rd1 are the ones who could be flat out wrong. If JJM goes top 3 and we get Maye at 4, then his source could tell him we really did love JJM but we liked Maye too. Sorry, it wasn't an outright lie but it wasn't the complete truth either.
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You're forgetting we don't know which QB goes at 3.
We don't know who Schoen really wants badly.
Schoens presser spoke volumes, he mentioned multiple holes
And mentioned tons of trade back offers
Our draft begins the minute pick 3 is made
Agreed, if they like JJM and Maye they will 99% get one of them at 4. It's the only way I see GoDeep's post being (1) not an outright lie and (2) able to receive the green light.
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gives me the bad feeling that they don't LOVE either of them. They are taking a QB just to take a QB. I hope they focus on one guy and go get him. Don't draft a QB just to fill a spot. Get a QB that they love and believe in.
Schoen doesn't seem like the type to fall full bloom in love with a prospect like Gettleman. This is football, not romance. You have calculated rankings, love is not a factor. They very well could have them ranked in the same tier with a slight preference for Maye. If they didn't have them ranked so similarly, then maybe they would feel the need to pay the king's ransom for 3.
Get a great QB. Not an okay QB.
If they trade pick 6, 70 and 2025 2nd then they have a great ranking on the QB. Just because they like both doesn't mean they think each of them are just good enough. That's not how draft board tiers and rankings work.
Obviously asshats do give us good nuggets to think about but again they can’t just come out and say what exactly the Giants are going to do that’s utterly stupid. But this year you have a few well known and respected asshats with conflicting information. Even the media members who are well respected and would be the closest to having any real insight have conflicting reports on what they want or what they’re going to do.
Obviously asshats do give us good nuggets to think about but again they can’t just come out and say what exactly the Giants are going to do that’s utterly stupid. But this year you have a few well known and respected asshats with conflicting information. Even the media members who are well respected and would be the closest to having any real insight have conflicting reports on what they want or what they’re going to do.
I think this would be the best move for the team. I also think this is the only way GoDeep's post is (1) not an outright lie and (2) able to receive the green light. I get what you're saying, but I'm trying to analyze the post itself. That thread got cluttered and degenerated with Daniel Jones talk.
The part about Minnesota wanting JJM is just predictions from other teams without inside info. We have one guy here who has a friend inside the Vikings' building that has been adamant Minnesota is all in on Maye.
Yes. Good point.
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My gut tells me Maye has NYG written all over him and would be the team's primary target if they could make it happen without getting raped. That said, if we take what GoDeep says, Washington is likely to take Daniels and MN deals up to 3 and takes JJM. NYG has the means to get to 4, but the QB they want is already gone. If Az doesn't want to move back far, they are a virtual lock to sit where they are and draft MHJ if NYG doesn't trade with them. Could there be a deal where Denver uses NYG as a proxy to land Maye? NYG deals with Chargers who move back one spot, gain a free pick and lose nothing. NYG drafts Maye who they will trade to Denver for a haul of picks.
The part about Minnesota wanting JJM is just predictions from other teams without inside info. We have one guy here who has a friend inside the Vikings' building that has been adamant Minnesota is all in on Maye.
If Maye goes 3 and we don't make a move for JJM at 4, we know it was based on an outright lie.
If Maye goes 3 and we make the move to 4 for JJM, we know it wasn't based on an outright lie.
If JJM goes 3 and we make the move for Maye, then it could still be seen as JJM was the main target but I guess the Maye part was smoke.
GoDeep has been verified and proven to have inside info related to NYG. The inside info is portrayed only as it relates to NYG. The parts about other teams are portrayed as beliefs. GoDeep is not just a guy reading Twitter and feigning as a person with inside info. Let's get that straight.
Absolutely, the part about GoDeep specifically requesting to not be told outright lies by his source makes me believe the post isn't an outright lie and that's why I made the post. How could it not be an outright lie while also being greenlighted to post?
I love seeing the info. So this isn't a knock on him at all. I believe he's stated his connection is to an agent, but all this should be taken with a grain of salt. If I remember correctly last year a week before the draft he said something sorta negative on Stroud & said Wilson/Levis was going #2 overall. In the previous year he said Hutchinson was going #1 overall. He said if Kyle Pitts/Devonta were off the board we were going Edge rusher. Like I said this isn't a knock on him at all. I believe he's being told this info. Does the person telling him give him false info? Maybe not on purpose, but that person could be fed false info.
GD13 if you read this it's not a knock on you at all! I absolutely love reading your posts. You're one of the handful of users I look up everyday on here.
+1
I'd be stunned if NYG passes on Maye.
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Post this info? Honest question. This AZ trade makes sense but not as a justification for leaking his post.
I love seeing the info. So this isn't a knock on him at all. I believe he's stated his connection is to an agent, but all this should be taken with a grain of salt. If I remember correctly last year a week before the draft he said something sorta negative on Stroud & said Wilson/Levis was going #2 overall. In the previous year he said Hutchinson was going #1 overall. He said if Kyle Pitts/Devonta were off the board we were going Edge rusher. Like I said this isn't a knock on him at all. I believe he's being told this info. Does the person telling him give him false info? Maybe not on purpose, but that person could be fed false info.
GD13 if you read this it's not a knock on you at all! I absolutely love reading your posts. You're one of the handful of users I look up everyday on here.
If it is indeed an agent connection, then draft info is very unlikely to be valid. I thought him being connected to an agency was a theory, not something he said himself. If he said that, then it all goes out the window while still being appreciated.
There is undoubtedly smoke there, the question is the QB part pure smoke or smoke-veiled truth?
This.
In addition, the way it was worded gives GoDeep13 (who I respect) cover given different outcomes.
It's fun. Should be considered as such.
^^^
The Giants want a QB. If one is there who they like, they will take him.
If not, they will take a WR unless some team blows them away with a trade offer.
It's just hard to believe anybody when it comes to draft stuff. My buddy works for an NFL team. I'm the Godfather to his kid and I am not sure I trust a lot of what he passes on to me. I don't think he's intentionally lying to me, but Idk if the person that told him is spreading false info.
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the green light to post, the assumption should be that all or part is misinformation.
This.
In addition, the way it was worded gives GoDeep13 (who I respect) cover given different outcomes.
It's fun. Should be considered as such.
This is essentially what I was trying to say but you said it a lot better than me. Exactly this. Love the posts GD13. Please keep them coming.
The Giants want a QB. If one is there who they like, they will take him.
If not, they will take a WR unless some team blows them away with a trade offer.
Agreed, like you said it's just fun ultimately. I'm having fun analyzing the potential relevancy of the post. You succinctly put it: we want a QB, if we can't get the QB(s?), then we go WR or trade down. That's about as much as far as we realistically can go and that's part of the fun.
Nevertheless, it's fun to analyze what parts of GoDeep's post could be smoke vs what parts could be true if any of it is true.