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Analyzing GoDeep's Greenlight Post

BleedBlue46 : 4/20/2024 1:14 pm
I know most here will say take everything with a grain of salt, but at the same time I believe GoDeep's post has some significance. He obviously isn't going to lay out the entirety of our draft plans, but there is truth amongst probable smoke there.

He said he specifically requests that his source not tell him outright lies. And he said there is more he can't currently share. I'm trying to think of reasons he might have been given the ok to share this info and I'm trying to see what might be true vs smoke.

Here's what I've come up with and I'd like to hear your thoughts on it too. I think the part GoDeep is leaving out is that we have a deal in place with AZ for the reported cost of pick 6, 70 and 2025 2nd. I don't think they have this deal in place for just one QB. I think they are ok with Daniels (highly unlikely) or JJM or Maye for that cost. I think they have JJM and Maye in the same tier, but they prefer Maye slightly which is why the Maye part is pure smoke in hopes of Maye being the one to fall to 4. Now, the whole post could be pure smoke but I believe GoDeep when he says be requests his source not tell him outright lies. GoDeep's post is not based in an outright lie if they like both JJM and Maye and feel like they have a solid deal in place to get one of them, while still having a slight preference for Maye.

This is the only scenario I can see both GoDeep not being told a pure smoke bomb of outright lies and him being given the green light to share this information.

What do you think?
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RE: RE: RE: If he was given…  
BleedBlue46 : 4/20/2024 2:45 pm : link
In comment 16476894 Big Rick in FL said:
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the green light to post, the assumption should be that all or part is misinformation.



This.

In addition, the way it was worded gives GoDeep13 (who I respect) cover given different outcomes.

It's fun. Should be considered as such.



This is essentially what I was trying to say but you said it a lot better than me. Exactly this. Love the posts GD13. Please keep them coming.


100% agreed. The anticipation and discussion in anticipation of the draft is as fun or more fun than the post-draft discussion. Thank you GoDeep and others!
RE: …  
BleedBlue46 : 4/20/2024 2:47 pm : link
In comment 16476896 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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I still think the likeliest scenario is Maye ends up a Giant, be it a trade to 3 or 4. But who knows? We will see soon enough.


If true (which I could see), then praying it's at 4. Such a big difference in potential roster construction between a trade up to 3 vs 4.
Doubt this guy is legit, but..  
Sean : 4/20/2024 2:47 pm : link
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Robinson L. Wittmore
@RobiWittmore
BREAKING: just told that #Pats have framework for 2 deals in place if their QB is not avail at 3. One of these deals is believed to be w/ #NYG and other w/ #Minn. Still unclear who their guy is. Also talk that #Pats are high on JJ and may maneuver slightly down for him. #nfldraft

I don't doubt that the parameters of a deal are in place, but how would this work? Which deal would NE take?
 
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/20/2024 2:49 pm : link
Consensus up in New England from family is that Bob wants JJM.
RE: …  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/20/2024 2:49 pm : link
In comment 16476896 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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I still think the likeliest scenario is Maye ends up a Giant, be it a trade to 3 or 4. But who knows? We will see soon enough.


I'm not sure about that. I still think he goes at #3, but it would be to the Pats, Vikes, or Giants. However, McCarthy could go here too to one of those teams.

If the Pats take one of the QBs, then it us vs the Vikings. And it becomes dicey.

If the Vikes trade up to #3, then I think we're in better position to get a QB, provided we like both (we may or may not).

The variables here are this: do we like both QBs? Or just one?

If both, then Vikes trade up could help us.

If we like one and the Vikes take him, we're shit out of luck.

If the Vikes don't trade up to #3 but do at #4, we're shit out of luck.
I believe NYG wants Maye  
Sean : 4/20/2024 2:50 pm : link
If NYG wants Maye and NE wants JJ, how do the Vikings get boxed out of moving into 4 or 5.

Need to trade up to NE while NE trades back up to 4.

NYG - Maye
NE - JJ
LAC - Harrison/Nabers/Alt
ARI - Harrison/Nabers/Alt

Minnesota can either take Penix/Nix or go in another direction.
Eric  
Sean : 4/20/2024 2:52 pm : link
Good post. I think NYG has the advantage in a trade up to 4. Not sure they have the advantage in a trade up to 3. However, if NE likes JJ then NYG should have the advantage.

If NE takes JJ at 3, I think Arizona will prefer a slight drop down to 6.
RE: If he was given…  
Scooter185 : 4/20/2024 2:52 pm : link
In comment 16476880 Chris in Philly said:
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the green light to post, the assumption should be that all or part is misinformation.


Based on previous comments GD made about having information that he couldn't share until draft week (or within a week of the draft), this was a planned release of information
Eric.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/20/2024 2:52 pm : link
So many balls in the air. 5 days, Haha.
RE: …  
Sammo85 : 4/20/2024 2:53 pm : link
In comment 16476901 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Consensus up in New England from family is that Bob wants JJM.


Word is Jon Kraft is driving the bus now and if old man tries to intercede he will get run over.
RE: Doubt this guy is legit, but..  
BleedBlue46 : 4/20/2024 2:53 pm : link
In comment 16476899 Sean said:
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Robinson L. Wittmore
@RobiWittmore
BREAKING: just told that #Pats have framework for 2 deals in place if their QB is not avail at 3. One of these deals is believed to be w/ #NYG and other w/ #Minn. Still unclear who their guy is. Also talk that #Pats are high on JJ and may maneuver slightly down for him. #nfldraft


I don't doubt that the parameters of a deal are in place, but how would this work? Which deal would NE take?


Well then NE would be smart to make the move with us otherwise they might have a hard time getting JJM with AZ wanting one of the top 2 receivers. They could move down with us, then back up with AZ and still net a 2025 1st from us after trading pick 70 and 2025 2nd for the move back up to pick 4.
 
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/20/2024 2:53 pm : link
I get the whole disinformation thing, but if the Giants brass is focused on confusing BBI…well, the problems run a helluva lot deeper. Haha.
RE: Doubt this guy is legit, but..  
DeVito32 : 4/20/2024 2:54 pm : link
In comment 16476899 Sean said:
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Robinson L. Wittmore
@RobiWittmore
BREAKING: just told that #Pats have framework for 2 deals in place if their QB is not avail at 3. One of these deals is believed to be w/ #NYG and other w/ #Minn. Still unclear who their guy is. Also talk that #Pats are high on JJ and may maneuver slightly down for him. #nfldraft


I don't doubt that the parameters of a deal are in place, but how would this work? Which deal would NE take?


Where this is total BS is if the Pats want a QB they’re taking him at 3. They aren’t taking a chance of trading down a few spots because someone can jump them. They aren’t trading down to the Giants and up to the Cardinals. Too many moving parts and it’s ridiculous. They are trading down if they don’t want a QB at all. Plain and simple.
what would make things  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/20/2024 2:56 pm : link
so much easier is if the Pats would just take Harrison.
RE: I believe NYG wants Maye  
BleedBlue46 : 4/20/2024 2:57 pm : link
In comment 16476904 Sean said:
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If NYG wants Maye and NE wants JJ, how do the Vikings get boxed out of moving into 4 or 5.

Need to trade up to NE while NE trades back up to 4.

NYG - Maye
NE - JJ
LAC - Harrison/Nabers/Alt
ARI - Harrison/Nabers/Alt

Minnesota can either take Penix/Nix or go in another direction.


Agreed and I could see this happening, but if they want JJM they would need assurances we are taking Maye at 3. Also, Schoen could just be bold and call their bluff, believing he can get Maye at 4. Then again, that risks losing Maye to Minnesota if they trade up with LAC first then overpay Arizona for pick 4 from 5. New England would be risking the same, unless they feel confident with their Intel that Minnesota wants Maye not JJM. Then they would feel safe moving down with us then back up to 4.
RE: Eric  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/20/2024 2:57 pm : link
In comment 16476908 Sean said:
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Good post. I think NYG has the advantage in a trade up to 4. Not sure they have the advantage in a trade up to 3. However, if NE likes JJ then NYG should have the advantage.

If NE takes JJ at 3, I think Arizona will prefer a slight drop down to 6.


I still can't get over the fact that we're in a situation where four quarterbacks are going to go 1-2-3-4. And we just had a draft where we had the #5 and #7 picks with no QBs.

We have the worst freaking luck.
RE: what would make things  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/20/2024 2:58 pm : link
In comment 16476920 Eric from BBI said:
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so much easier is if the Pats would just take Harrison.


🙏🙏🙏.
RE: RE: Doubt this guy is legit, but..  
BleedBlue46 : 4/20/2024 2:59 pm : link
In comment 16476918 DeVito32 said:
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Robinson L. Wittmore
@RobiWittmore
BREAKING: just told that #Pats have framework for 2 deals in place if their QB is not avail at 3. One of these deals is believed to be w/ #NYG and other w/ #Minn. Still unclear who their guy is. Also talk that #Pats are high on JJ and may maneuver slightly down for him. #nfldraft


I don't doubt that the parameters of a deal are in place, but how would this work? Which deal would NE take?



Where this is total BS is if the Pats want a QB they’re taking him at 3. They aren’t taking a chance of trading down a few spots because someone can jump them. They aren’t trading down to the Giants and up to the Cardinals. Too many moving parts and it’s ridiculous. They are trading down if they don’t want a QB at all. Plain and simple.


Not necessarily true if they are confident Minnesota doesn't want JJM. Then it's as simple as trading with us and then having a deal with AZ to move back up to 4. They would net JJM plus our 2025 1st.
RE: RE: Eric  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/20/2024 2:59 pm : link
In comment 16476923 Eric from BBI said:
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Good post. I think NYG has the advantage in a trade up to 4. Not sure they have the advantage in a trade up to 3. However, if NE likes JJ then NYG should have the advantage.

If NE takes JJ at 3, I think Arizona will prefer a slight drop down to 6.



I still can't get over the fact that we're in a situation where four quarterbacks are going to go 1-2-3-4. And we just had a draft where we had the #5 and #7 picks with no QBs.

We have the worst freaking luck.


I never thought the football gods would be so harsh after the promises I made on that final Pats drive in XLVI.
RE: RE: Eric  
BleedBlue46 : 4/20/2024 3:00 pm : link
In comment 16476923 Eric from BBI said:
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Good post. I think NYG has the advantage in a trade up to 4. Not sure they have the advantage in a trade up to 3. However, if NE likes JJ then NYG should have the advantage.

If NE takes JJ at 3, I think Arizona will prefer a slight drop down to 6.



I still can't get over the fact that we're in a situation where four quarterbacks are going to go 1-2-3-4. And we just had a draft where we had the #5 and #7 picks with no QBs.

We have the worst freaking luck.


True, just our luck that the 2022 QB draft was as bad as it gets. Then again it wasn't all bad luck. Gettleman could have foreseen that being likely and taken Parsons.
RE: If he was given…  
Mike from Ohio : 4/20/2024 3:00 pm : link
In comment 16476880 Chris in Philly said:
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the green light to post, the assumption should be that all or part is misinformation.


+ 1,000

If you want to analyze the post, analyze what parts of it are clearly misinformation and why.
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/20/2024 3:02 pm : link
Rickey
@prettyrickey213
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9m
I haven't heard anything (doesn't mean it's not true). Teams know Daniels won't be there at 3. Pats will be walking away with the draft with Maye or JJMC. I don't see any scenario where Pats walk away from the draft without Maye or JJMC. I still expect the Pats to keep the pick
Schoen really walked into a tough job  
Sean : 4/20/2024 3:03 pm : link
As a first time GM, he's gotten everything thrown at him. This is as hard as it gets the poker game he's playing right now.
RE: ...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/20/2024 3:03 pm : link
In comment 16476932 Eric from BBI said:
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Rickey
@prettyrickey213
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9m
I haven't heard anything (doesn't mean it's not true). Teams know Daniels won't be there at 3. Pats will be walking away with the draft with Maye or JJMC. I don't see any scenario where Pats walk away from the draft without Maye or JJMC. I still expect the Pats to keep the pick


If this is true, then it's Giants versus Vikings for the #4 pick. If it's too rich, Giants will likely draft Harrison or Nabers.
RE: Schoen really walked into a tough job  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/20/2024 3:03 pm : link
In comment 16476934 Sean said:
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As a first time GM, he's gotten everything thrown at him. This is as hard as it gets the poker game he's playing right now.


Well, the Daniel Jones contract is self-inflicted.
RE: ...  
BleedBlue46 : 4/20/2024 3:04 pm : link
In comment 16476932 Eric from BBI said:
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Rickey
@prettyrickey213
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9m
I haven't heard anything (doesn't mean it's not true). Teams know Daniels won't be there at 3. Pats will be walking away with the draft with Maye or JJMC. I don't see any scenario where Pats walk away from the draft without Maye or JJMC. I still expect the Pats to keep the pick


Only way they realistically trade down then is with us. They would have to trade from 11 to 5 then to 4 if they moved with Minnesota and wanted JJM.
Hopefully it's true that Cards  
LW_Giants : 4/20/2024 3:05 pm : link
don't want to move out of range for a top receiver, which would give us the edge.
 
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/20/2024 3:05 pm : link
I’d still rather have Rome over Nabers, though apparently Dabs loves him per GiantGrit.
RE: RE: Schoen really walked into a tough job  
BleedBlue46 : 4/20/2024 3:05 pm : link
In comment 16476936 Eric from BBI said:
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As a first time GM, he's gotten everything thrown at him. This is as hard as it gets the poker game he's playing right now.



Well, the Daniel Jones contract is self-inflicted.


The most realistic way I see Minnesota beating us to 4 is by trading 11 and 23 for 5 and then 2025 1st to AZ for 4 which would be bonkers but I wouldn't put it past them.
RE: …  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/20/2024 3:06 pm : link
In comment 16476939 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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I’d still rather have Rome over Nabers, though apparently Dabs loves him per GiantGrit.


I suspect the earlier report that while the league loves Odunze too, there is a gap between him and the other two WRs.
RE: RE: Eric  
HardTruth : 4/20/2024 3:13 pm : link
In comment 16476923 Eric from BBI said:
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Good post. I think NYG has the advantage in a trade up to 4. Not sure they have the advantage in a trade up to 3. However, if NE likes JJ then NYG should have the advantage.

If NE takes JJ at 3, I think Arizona will prefer a slight drop down to 6.



I still can't get over the fact that we're in a situation where four quarterbacks are going to go 1-2-3-4. And we just had a draft where we had the #5 and #7 picks with no QBs.

We have the worst freaking luck.



This is why you just can’t wait til next year. There are 6 QBs here. Take one
HardTruth  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/20/2024 3:17 pm : link
The Giants aren't going to be in love with all six quarterbacks. Two of them are already out of reach. So we're really talking four. One has had four season-ending injuries (all serious). The other was projected to be a 2nd round pick.

It appears we are trying to trade up for one of the other two. One will likely go to the Patriots at #3. The other will likely go at #4 with a trade up by us or the Vikings.

Long story short, they are trying to do what you want them to do. It may not work out.
RE: RE: RE: Doubt this guy is legit, but..  
DeVito32 : 4/20/2024 3:18 pm : link
In comment 16476926 BleedBlue46 said:
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Robinson L. Wittmore
@RobiWittmore
BREAKING: just told that #Pats have framework for 2 deals in place if their QB is not avail at 3. One of these deals is believed to be w/ #NYG and other w/ #Minn. Still unclear who their guy is. Also talk that #Pats are high on JJ and may maneuver slightly down for him. #nfldraft


I don't doubt that the parameters of a deal are in place, but how would this work? Which deal would NE take?



Where this is total BS is if the Pats want a QB they’re taking him at 3. They aren’t taking a chance of trading down a few spots because someone can jump them. They aren’t trading down to the Giants and up to the Cardinals. Too many moving parts and it’s ridiculous. They are trading down if they don’t want a QB at all. Plain and simple.



Not necessarily true if they are confident Minnesota doesn't want JJM. Then it's as simple as trading with us and then having a deal with AZ to move back up to 4. They would net JJM plus our 2025 1st.


100% yes It’s absolutely true because there’s absolutely no way to know if the Vikings want or don’t want JJM. Especially since there’s so many rumors that the Vikings love JJM and Maye. That’s the entire point. You’re not risking the chance to take a franchise QB at the top of the draft. It’s the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard.
I  
AcidTest : 4/20/2024 3:18 pm : link
think there is a real possibility that neither the Giants or Vikings trade up. NE takes JJM/Maye at #3 and the QB remaining at #4 is not the QB either team wants to move up for. Arizona may also only be willing to trade with the Giants because they don't want to move out of range of getting one of the "big three" WRs. In that situation, somebody other than the Giants or the Vikings might trade with the Chargers to get the last of the "big four" QBs.
RE: HardTruth  
DeVito32 : 4/20/2024 3:31 pm : link
In comment 16476952 Eric from BBI said:
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The Giants aren't going to be in love with all six quarterbacks. Two of them are already out of reach. So we're really talking four. One has had four season-ending injuries (all serious). The other was projected to be a 2nd round pick.

It appears we are trying to trade up for one of the other two. One will likely go to the Patriots at #3. The other will likely go at #4 with a trade up by us or the Vikings.

Long story short, they are trying to do what you want them to do. It may not work out.


Yell it for the people in the back! Can you just take your quote and pin it to the top of the page or have it automatically post as the first comment in every thread? It’s literally as simple as you stated it, yet people are going insane with their theories and will blame Mara or someone if it doesn’t go the way they want.
RE: I  
BleedBlue46 : 4/20/2024 3:42 pm : link
In comment 16476956 AcidTest said:
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think there is a real possibility that neither the Giants or Vikings trade up. NE takes JJM/Maye at #3 and the QB remaining at #4 is not the QB either team wants to move up for. Arizona may also only be willing to trade with the Giants because they don't want to move out of range of getting one of the "big three" WRs. In that situation, somebody other than the Giants or the Vikings might trade with the Chargers to get the last of the "big four" QBs.


I don't see LAC trading a chance at a franchise qb with a division rival, but maybe with a massive overpay
RE: RE: RE: RE: Doubt this guy is legit, but..  
BleedBlue46 : 4/20/2024 3:43 pm : link
In comment 16476955 DeVito32 said:
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Robinson L. Wittmore
@RobiWittmore
BREAKING: just told that #Pats have framework for 2 deals in place if their QB is not avail at 3. One of these deals is believed to be w/ #NYG and other w/ #Minn. Still unclear who their guy is. Also talk that #Pats are high on JJ and may maneuver slightly down for him. #nfldraft


I don't doubt that the parameters of a deal are in place, but how would this work? Which deal would NE take?



Where this is total BS is if the Pats want a QB they’re taking him at 3. They aren’t taking a chance of trading down a few spots because someone can jump them. They aren’t trading down to the Giants and up to the Cardinals. Too many moving parts and it’s ridiculous. They are trading down if they don’t want a QB at all. Plain and simple.



Not necessarily true if they are confident Minnesota doesn't want JJM. Then it's as simple as trading with us and then having a deal with AZ to move back up to 4. They would net JJM plus our 2025 1st.



100% yes It’s absolutely true because there’s absolutely no way to know if the Vikings want or don’t want JJM. Especially since there’s so many rumors that the Vikings love JJM and Maye. That’s the entire point. You’re not risking the chance to take a franchise QB at the top of the draft. It’s the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard.


It's not a risk if they have a deal with AZ done beforehand.
RE: Trading up for a qb when the Giants already have an outstanding qb  
56goat : 4/20/2024 3:52 pm : link
In comment 16476774 Jack Stroud said:
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will set the franchise back 5 years! With so many needs on both sides of the ball drafting a qb fills none of those holes and takes away needed draft picks.


Yawn, need some new material bud.
I think they would trade up to 4 and take  
56goat : 4/20/2024 3:54 pm : link
either Maye or JJM if one was there, assuming CW & JD are gone.
RE: RE: RE: Eric  
JCassmen : 4/20/2024 4:05 pm : link
In comment 16476928 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Good post. I think NYG has the advantage in a trade up to 4. Not sure they have the advantage in a trade up to 3. However, if NE likes JJ then NYG should have the advantage.

If NE takes JJ at 3, I think Arizona will prefer a slight drop down to 6.



I still can't get over the fact that we're in a situation where four quarterbacks are going to go 1-2-3-4. And we just had a draft where we had the #5 and #7 picks with no QBs.

We have the worst freaking luck.



I never thought the football gods would be so harsh after the promises I made on that final Pats drive in XLVI.


So it's all your fault?!
Reading the tea leaves  
RomanWH : 4/20/2024 4:11 pm : link
If NE is definitely not getting their #1 QB choice(Daniels) and are staring at either Maye or JJM, then they have a choice to make. Take the picks in a trade down w/ Minn(better package in NE's eyes) or NYG(#6+). Trading all the way down to #11 drops them into the 2nd tier of QB which Kraft doesn't want to do and it's a gamble to drop to #6 for JJM because what if a QB needy team jumps to #5?

So what I'm saying is that this draft will boil down to what the Chargers do at #5. No one knows. They can go best WR, best OT, trade down for picks. They are the wildcard. NE at least you know wants a QB. Arizona you know wants a WR. Giants need to go up to at least #4 to control their destiny a little bit. I can see the draft playing out:

1. Chi-Caleb
2. WSH-Daniels
3. NE-ultimately not messing around and taking JJM(especially if Kraft wants another Mich QB to carry the torch)
4. NYG-Maye via trade. Arizona entertains offers and ultimately taking NYG's offer with the caveat that we don't go WR
5. LAC-whomever
6. Ari-best WR available with either MHJr or Nabers on the board after trading down. And if the Chargers don't go MHJr, then Arizona's GM will look like a genius. Dropping down to #6 and still getting arguably the best prospect in the draft.
RE: Reading the tea leaves  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/20/2024 4:18 pm : link
In comment 16477019 RomanWH said:
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If NE is definitely not getting their #1 QB choice(Daniels) and are staring at either Maye or JJM, then they have a choice to make. Take the picks in a trade down w/ Minn(better package in NE's eyes) or NYG(#6+). Trading all the way down to #11 drops them into the 2nd tier of QB which Kraft doesn't want to do and it's a gamble to drop to #6 for JJM because what if a QB needy team jumps to #5?

So what I'm saying is that this draft will boil down to what the Chargers do at #5. No one knows. They can go best WR, best OT, trade down for picks. They are the wildcard. NE at least you know wants a QB. Arizona you know wants a WR. Giants need to go up to at least #4 to control their destiny a little bit. I can see the draft playing out:

1. Chi-Caleb
2. WSH-Daniels
3. NE-ultimately not messing around and taking JJM(especially if Kraft wants another Mich QB to carry the torch)
4. NYG-Maye via trade. Arizona entertains offers and ultimately taking NYG's offer with the caveat that we don't go WR
5. LAC-whomever
6. Ari-best WR available with either MHJr or Nabers on the board after trading down. And if the Chargers don't go MHJr, then Arizona's GM will look like a genius. Dropping down to #6 and still getting arguably the best prospect in the draft.


This is very likely.
RE: Reading the tea leaves  
The Dude : 4/20/2024 4:20 pm : link
In comment 16477019 RomanWH said:
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If NE is definitely not getting their #1 QB choice(Daniels) and are staring at either Maye or JJM, then they have a choice to make. Take the picks in a trade down w/ Minn(better package in NE's eyes) or NYG(#6+). Trading all the way down to #11 drops them into the 2nd tier of QB which Kraft doesn't want to do and it's a gamble to drop to #6 for JJM because what if a QB needy team jumps to #5?

So what I'm saying is that this draft will boil down to what the Chargers do at #5. No one knows. They can go best WR, best OT, trade down for picks. They are the wildcard. NE at least you know wants a QB. Arizona you know wants a WR. Giants need to go up to at least #4 to control their destiny a little bit. I can see the draft playing out:

1. Chi-Caleb
2. WSH-Daniels
3. NE-ultimately not messing around and taking JJM(especially if Kraft wants another Mich QB to carry the torch)
4. NYG-Maye via trade. Arizona entertains offers and ultimately taking NYG's offer with the caveat that we don't go WR
5. LAC-whomever
6. Ari-best WR available with either MHJr or Nabers on the board after trading down. And if the Chargers don't go MHJr, then Arizona's GM will look like a genius. Dropping down to #6 and still getting arguably the best prospect in the draft.


This is likely to me. New England controls the first domino to start the draft. If New England goes Maye i think things could look drastically (relatively) different.
RE: If  
Section331 : 4/20/2024 4:41 pm : link
In comment 16476757 AcidTest said:
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the Giants are willing to trade the same amount of draft capital to Arizona for Maye or JJM, then why not make the deal right now since they know one will definitely be available at #4?


Why would AZ make that trade now? They could get into a bidding war if the right guy drops, there is no advantage for them to make the trade now.
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BillT : 4/20/2024 4:57 pm : link
In comment 16476932 Eric from BBI said:
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I haven't heard anything (doesn't mean it's not true). Teams know Daniels won't be there at 3. Pats will be walking away with the draft with Maye or JJMC. I don't see any scenario where Pats walk away from the draft without Maye or JJMC. I still expect the Pats to keep the pick

If Mrs. Eric is right about the Giants and a QB then she’d be doubly right about the Pats and a QB. They are going to have the choice of Maye and JJM and they’re taking neither. That’s BS.
RE: Reading the tea leaves  
BleedBlue46 : 4/20/2024 5:28 pm : link
In comment 16477019 RomanWH said:
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If NE is definitely not getting their #1 QB choice(Daniels) and are staring at either Maye or JJM, then they have a choice to make. Take the picks in a trade down w/ Minn(better package in NE's eyes) or NYG(#6+). Trading all the way down to #11 drops them into the 2nd tier of QB which Kraft doesn't want to do and it's a gamble to drop to #6 for JJM because what if a QB needy team jumps to #5?

So what I'm saying is that this draft will boil down to what the Chargers do at #5. No one knows. They can go best WR, best OT, trade down for picks. They are the wildcard. NE at least you know wants a QB. Arizona you know wants a WR. Giants need to go up to at least #4 to control their destiny a little bit. I can see the draft playing out:

1. Chi-Caleb
2. WSH-Daniels
3. NE-ultimately not messing around and taking JJM(especially if Kraft wants another Mich QB to carry the torch)
4. NYG-Maye via trade. Arizona entertains offers and ultimately taking NYG's offer with the caveat that we don't go WR
5. LAC-whomever
6. Ari-best WR available with either MHJr or Nabers on the board after trading down. And if the Chargers don't go MHJr, then Arizona's GM will look like a genius. Dropping down to #6 and still getting arguably the best prospect in the draft.


Good post
We’ve now reached the level  
Biteymax22 : 4/20/2024 5:39 pm : link
Of a reality TV show that shows an episode then has another show that’s just reaction to the episode.

GoDeep13’s post now has its own reaction post…
I came away from it  
Breeze_94 : 4/20/2024 5:54 pm : link
Thinking Maye. Now it’s on NE to not let Minnesota ruin the party.
There are multiple factors influencing GoDeep's post  
JohnF : 4/20/2024 6:06 pm : link
Front offices are often battlefields concerning the draft. For something like a franchise QB, you can have two or more opposing sides.

I think this may be happening with the Giants, where one side loves Maye, and the other loves JJM. New England may be another situation, with Kraft loving JJM, and the Front Office wanting picks.

Asshats information can change on a dime, even hour to hour before the draft. While it's great we get info on BBI, I think in the majority of cases, teams are using sites like BBI (where you have a LOT of media who reads and follows the site) to pass along subtle hints and mis-direction.

So don't get mad at the Asshats if their information (given days or hours before) isn't correct at the time of the draft, though it could have been a few days before. As Eric says, this is all fun and great for discussion!

I do think that despite what GoDeep's source says, Washinton isn't 100% on Daniels, and may switch to Maye at the last minute. There's always a first round shocker, and I think that's the one for this year.

In that case, things would fall in our favor (Daniels to NE, and the Giants trading with Arizona for JJM). We'll see.
I was told  
TommyWiseau : 4/20/2024 6:47 pm : link
the Giants really like Daniels but know he is out of reach. They like both JJM and Maye but do have a preference for one over the other. They will not overpay to move up and are happy with sitting at 6 and taking BPA (I assume a WR).

When I asked who the preference between JJM and Maye is, the source said they honestly do not know. They have been hearing conflicting things
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