@prettyrickey213 on Dak

In comment 16476822 Big Rick in FL said:

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In comment 16476803 BleedBlue46 said: Quote: Go from paying one overrated QB 45 million aav to paying another overrated QB 50 aav. That's how to build the team! Is Dak really overrated or do you just not like him because he's a Cowboy? He's got a 73-41 career record and in just over 7 seasons he's completing 67% of his passes with 30k pass yards, 202 passing TDs and only 74 INTs. He also has 1900 rushing/receiving yards and 19 rushing/receiving TDs. In 7 career playoff games he's got 1962 passing yards & 14 TDs with 7 INTs He also 163 rushing yards and 4 rushing TDs.

He's overrated because he never produces in the big moments. He's like Kirk Cousins basically.

In comment 16476842 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:

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I'm in 100% agreement. I've never rooted for Dak-even though he does seem like a good dude-but he's a fucking good QB. To argue otherwise is delusional.

I'm not saying he is bad, but he is overrated if you think he's elite or great. He's good, he puts up good numbers, but he won't get you a superbowl especially when you pay him 50+ aav.

but he's not going to be worth his ask. Further, there is a good sample size that the playoffs are his kryptonite. Thus, NFW.

The goal is to build the core of the team organically, especially the QB. Use the draft.

@ this fucking rate, I would take annual trips into the postseason like Dallas, much less winning a Super Bowl. It'd be nice for the season not to be all but DOA come October 1st.

I think Dak's a damn good QB & I'd take him on the Giants tomorrow if I could. & of course the $ has to be taken into consideration...that's obvious.

This idea has already been discussed weeks ago.

In comment 16476851 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:

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@ this fucking rate, I would take annual trips into the postseason like Dallas, much less winning a Super Bowl. It'd be nice for the season not to be all but DOA come October 1st. I think Dak's a damn good QB & I'd take him on the Giants tomorrow if I could. & of course the $ has to be taken into consideration...that's obvious.

If the Cowboys are where they are now with all those quality players on rookie deals and the o line they have, then we will never get to that level with Dak as QB unless maybe you say 3 years down the road we hit on several drafts and get to that level. Otherwise, we need free agents and the rookie qb contract to get there.

But not for the money he would command

In comment 16476842 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:

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I'm in 100% agreement. I've never rooted for Dak-even though he does seem like a good dude-but he's a fucking good QB. To argue otherwise is delusional.

I've met him numerous times while in college and the Pros. Super cool dude. Personality wise I'd take 53 Dak Prescott's on my team.

In comment 16476844 BleedBlue46 said:

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In comment 16476822 Big Rick in FL said: Quote: In comment 16476803 BleedBlue46 said: Quote: Go from paying one overrated QB 45 million aav to paying another overrated QB 50 aav. That's how to build the team! Is Dak really overrated or do you just not like him because he's a Cowboy? He's got a 73-41 career record and in just over 7 seasons he's completing 67% of his passes with 30k pass yards, 202 passing TDs and only 74 INTs. He also has 1900 rushing/receiving yards and 19 rushing/receiving TDs. In 7 career playoff games he's got 1962 passing yards & 14 TDs with 7 INTs He also 163 rushing yards and 4 rushing TDs. He's overrated because he never produces in the big moments. He's like Kirk Cousins basically.

I absolutely think he's a great QB. How many QBs over a 114 game stretch are completing 67% of their passes, have 31k total yards, 230 total TDs and under 75 INTs? I'd bet it's a very small list.

In comment 16476879 Big Rick in FL said:

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In comment 16476844 BleedBlue46 said: Quote: In comment 16476822 Big Rick in FL said: Quote: In comment 16476803 BleedBlue46 said: Quote: Go from paying one overrated QB 45 million aav to paying another overrated QB 50 aav. That's how to build the team! Is Dak really overrated or do you just not like him because he's a Cowboy? He's got a 73-41 career record and in just over 7 seasons he's completing 67% of his passes with 30k pass yards, 202 passing TDs and only 74 INTs. He also has 1900 rushing/receiving yards and 19 rushing/receiving TDs. In 7 career playoff games he's got 1962 passing yards & 14 TDs with 7 INTs He also 163 rushing yards and 4 rushing TDs. He's overrated because he never produces in the big moments. He's like Kirk Cousins basically. I absolutely think he's a great QB. How many QBs over a 114 game stretch are completing 67% of their passes, have 31k total yards, 230 total TDs and under 75 INTs? I'd bet it's a very small list.

Kirk Cousins is in that group too, yeah? The Cowboys haven't even begun to feel the effects of the contract they gave Dak, I believe that starts next year. There are very few QBs you could win with on a 50aav contract. It's so hard to build the roster with that unless you are sure he's the guy for the foreseeable future, then you can just keep restructuring the contract. The only way I do that is if the QB is clutch in the playoffs like Eli was. Otherwise, it's just not worth it to me.

a mediocre QB who can't get it done in a real clutch situation - like the playoffs.

He is not and never will be the solution for the G-men.

has Jets written all over him.

In comment 16476824 Eric from BBI said:

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he knows how to win at MetLife.

You just described every QB in the league. Except the ones who call it home.

Shamefully dumb fanbase.

If the Giants end up taking a top end receiver at 6 because they get squeezed out of QB market and draft a few more starter level players this for this season I have no problem with them signing Dak next offseason as Jones walks out the exit door.

This offense looks like it would score well over 20 PPG:

QB: Prescott
RB: Singletary, 2024 mid-round draft pick, 2025 mid-round pick
WR: Nabers/Odunze/MHJ, Wan’Dale, Hyatt, 2025 draft pick
TE: Bellinger, 2024/2025 TE pick
OL: Thomas, Runyan, JMS, Eleumenor, Neal

Has had great teams yet he couldn't play above his norm and succeed when it mattered.

Draft a kid.

In comment 16476844 BleedBlue46 said:

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In comment 16476822 Big Rick in FL said: Quote: In comment 16476803 BleedBlue46 said: Quote: Go from paying one overrated QB 45 million aav to paying another overrated QB 50 aav. That's how to build the team! Is Dak really overrated or do you just not like him because he's a Cowboy? He's got a 73-41 career record and in just over 7 seasons he's completing 67% of his passes with 30k pass yards, 202 passing TDs and only 74 INTs. He also has 1900 rushing/receiving yards and 19 rushing/receiving TDs. In 7 career playoff games he's got 1962 passing yards & 14 TDs with 7 INTs He also 163 rushing yards and 4 rushing TDs. He's overrated because he never produces in the big moments. He's like Kirk Cousins basically.

I’d take Dak or Cousins in a heartbeat over what we have today. In Cousins’ defense, the Vikings put some shitty defenses out there the last few years, especially 2022.

you're going to be shopping at starvation level next year. Starving people are willing to pay $55M for Prescott.

with all the years of wear and tear already on his body, this has disaster written all over it, no thanks.

and probably just not watch them for a while

In comment 16476813 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:

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A BB-Dak HC-QB combo in '25 wouldn't surprise me in the least.

"BB" is not likely to be an NFL head coach again.

In comment 16476824 Eric from BBI said:

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he knows how to win at MetLife.

But not at AT&T in January.

In comment 16476826 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:

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Yes, Dak is a lot better than people think. I wouldn't want him for outrageous coin, but he's in a different stratosphere talent wise than Jones. As for the postseason, he's not clutch, but hell...@ this rate, I'd sign up to get into the postseason each season like Dallas does.

"he's in a different stratosphere talent wise than Jones." So is pretty much every other starting QB in the NFL.

In comment 16476829 markky said:

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is if the Giants sign him.

HAHA, good one.

In comment 16476824 Eric from BBI said:

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he knows how to win at MetLife.

A lot of QBs not from NY know as well...

both are very good, both will win a lot of games, both will make a ton of money. And both will eat a lot of salary cap without winning a SB.

but I don't see it working money wise. Even if they cut Jones in '25 he's got, what, $24million dead money or something like that. Then they pay Dak $45/$50 million. That's an awful lot of cap space tied up in one position.

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QB, like Romo. Not a guy I'd spend $45/$50 mill per on.

Another example of every quarterback sucking except Mahomes. Prescott is one of the top 5 best quarterbacks in the NFL. That he's never won much in the playoffs certainly doesn't make him suck.

In comment 16477071 christian said:

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Another example of every quarterback sucking except Mahomes. Prescott is one of the top 5 best quarterbacks in the NFL. That he's never won much in the playoffs certainly doesn't make him suck.

He is not a top 5 qb

In comment 16476978 clatterbuck said:

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In comment 16476813 SFGFNCGiantsFan said: Quote: A BB-Dak HC-QB combo in '25 wouldn't surprise me in the least. "BB" is not likely to be an NFL head coach again.

Strongly disagree. He wants to pass Shula.

In comment 16477079 UConn4523 said:

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Another example of every quarterback sucking except Mahomes. Prescott is one of the top 5 best quarterbacks in the NFL. That he's never won much in the playoffs certainly doesn't make him suck. He is not a top 5 qb

I'm pretty comfortable considering a 2023 All Pro quarterback who came in second in the MVP vote a top 5 quarterback.

If that was the case

Prescott is an UFA after this season, has a no trade and no franchise clause. That he'll be available in 2025 offseason isn't surprising or necessarily a reflection of what Dallas thinks of him. Team Prescott has every reason to want to enter UFA. If he has a season resembling last year he's going to be heavily in demand and earn a mega deal.

he’s a different QB in the playoffs, I imagine that’s why he was never given another big deal by Dallas. In highly skeptical of him especially since he won’t be bringing the Dallas offense with him.

But Jesus at some point we've got to find a quarterback or were going to wake up in 2028 with Jones still the QB.

This is like Goldilocks on steroids. Eli Manning ain't walking through that door.

Craig Morton #2. We'd have similar results if we got him next year as we did with Craig in 1974. And it's not like Craig was a bad QB...he was the first quarterback to lead two different teams to the Super Bowl, and he finished second in the 1977 NFL MVP voting and fourth in the 1981 MVP voting.

But he stunk here. And Dak would stink here too.

A possibility for a while. The question arises “who will Dallas replace Dak with if they trade him?” Specifically if next year is considered a weak class.

but would there be a bigger F You to Jerry Jones than Dak winning a Super bowl in Giants blue. Jones would die on the spot.

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In comment 16477071 christian said:

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Another example of every quarterback sucking except Mahomes. Prescott is one of the top 5 best quarterbacks in the NFL. That he's never won much in the playoffs certainly doesn't make him suck.

So you’re saying Dak is better than these 5?

Mahomes
Allen
burrow
Herbert
Jackson

I mean you could make an argument for Stroud or Cousins. And we can disagree on this but I’m still taking Matthew Stafford over Dak every day of the week.

In comment 16477513 JT039 said:

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Another example of every quarterback sucking except Mahomes. Prescott is one of the top 5 best quarterbacks in the NFL. That he's never won much in the playoffs certainly doesn't make him suck. So you’re saying Dak is better than these 5? Mahomes Allen burrow Herbert Jackson I mean you could make an argument for Stroud or Cousins. And we can disagree on this but I’m still taking Matthew Stafford over Dak every day of the week.

I think the best 5 quarterbacks in the NFL are in order.

Mahomes
Allen
Jackson
Burrow
Prescott

Is he a product of the system? Maybe. But he just keeps on producing and winning double digit games. All he can do is what's asked.

Funny you mention Stafford. Because if he hangs them up after this year, I think LA will sign Prescott.

Probably my favorite non Giant. So maybe I’m biased but I think he’s still in the convo for top 5.

In comment 16477513 JT039 said:

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In comment 16477071 christian said: Quote: Another example of every quarterback sucking except Mahomes. Prescott is one of the top 5 best quarterbacks in the NFL. That he's never won much in the playoffs certainly doesn't make him suck. So you’re saying Dak is better than these 5? Mahomes Allen burrow Herbert Jackson I mean you could make an argument for Stroud or Cousins. And we can disagree on this but I’m still taking Matthew Stafford over Dak every day of the week.

+ 1
He benefits from a top OL, WR(s) and TE
He’s top 10 but not top 5 and is not the answer here

that should tell you something.

Don't forget people clamoring for Russel Wilson a few years ago.

He has had top 5 talent around him his whole career. Plus he has had the benefit of playing Washington (11 wins) and the Giants (10 wins) twice a year, 2 teams who have been bad for 10 years. That’s an easy 4 wins a year.

He has a 2-5 playoff record and has never won a Divisional round playoff game. His completion % in the playoffs is also lower.

I found a stat from last year, prior to 2023 he is 18-24 against teams that finished the season with a winning record. .428 winning %. In 2023 4 of their 5 losses came against winning teams, their notable wins 2 each against the Giants and Redskins, the Jets, patriots, chargers and panthers. So 8 wins against the worst teams in the NFL. He did beat the Rams, Lions and Eagles once when they were on the slide.

When the game is big he comes up small.

In comment 16476820 Bill in UT said:

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an awful move. He's barely adequate even with that Dallas line blocking for him. And not what I'd call Mr. Clutch

I wouldn't gp out an grab him, especially at that price. But barely adequate? I think that's undervaluing him.

In comment 16477659 Rudy5757 said:

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He has had top 5 talent around him his whole career. Plus he has had the benefit of playing Washington (11 wins) and the Giants (10 wins) twice a year, 2 teams who have been bad for 10 years. That’s an easy 4 wins a year. He has a 2-5 playoff record and has never won a Divisional round playoff game. His completion % in the playoffs is also lower. I found a stat from last year, prior to 2023 he is 18-24 against teams that finished the season with a winning record. .428 winning %. In 2023 4 of their 5 losses came against winning teams, their notable wins 2 each against the Giants and Redskins, the Jets, patriots, chargers and panthers. So 8 wins against the worst teams in the NFL. He did beat the Rams, Lions and Eagles once when they were on the slide. When the game is big he comes up small.

This. Dak is pretty good, but I would expect a Top 5 QB to come up big in big situations, not lose at home to lesser teams that they were heavily favored to beat.

He has been surrounded by talent his entire career. He can’t beat good defenses because he has flaws. Ask a Dallas fan. Put Dak on this roster and you’ll win 8 games tops. Overrated.