Malik Nabers seems to be out of favor here, but he shouldn't

is getting potentially one of the best WR in the game if they live up to their potential.

And would love to add Nabers if the price for the qb they want is too high. I would be very against a trade down with Nabers available at 6.

Needing a QB trumps all.

reminds me of a better OBJ coming out

In comment 16477316 KDavies said:

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reminds me of a better OBJ coming out

There are a lot of dumb people in our fanbase.

But it wouldn't be terrible obviously. I know a lot of people would be thrilled to see DJ play with Nabers including some family members of mine.

He also seems to compliment the skill sets of Hyatt and Robinson.

Nabers seems like a more explosive WR compared to both Harrison and Odunze.

I would be ok with WR at 6 if the ability to get the QB doesn’t pan out.

I have a feeling, if I am Daboll, I would like to trade up for Maye but the fall back plan is Nabers.

would be a huge plus to the receiving core. I agree that he would have higher upside than Odunze. However, the Giants just lack big body receivers and do not have a solid red zone threat. I think that’s why a lot of us would prefer. Odunze over Nabers. Either way with these two receivers, I would be happy.

If we don't take a QB @ 6 or move up for him & assuming he's on the board, I think he's the pick.

I'd prefer Roman. Sy compared Odunze to Fitz. But apparently Dabs loves Nabers.

I understand that Odunze seems to be a better risk, and apparently has elite contested catch ability.

However, just for watching highlights, it seems very clear than neighbors is much more of a YAC thread, and plays faster.

I honestly don’t understand why having Hyatt would be a reason to take Odunze over Nabers if Nabers would otherwise be preferable.

over odunze by a meaningful margin. albrights comments with FO people and mcginn's scouts both agree on it too:

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In 2023, Ohio State’s Jaxon Smith-Njigba went to Seattle at No. 20 as the first wide receiver selected. When 15 scouts were asked how many of this draft’s wideouts were better prospects than Smith-Njigba, their average response was five. Those 15 executives plus another were asked to rank the wide receivers on a 1-2-3-4-5 basis. A first-place vote was worth 5 points, a second-place vote was worth 4 and so on. Harrison, with 11 firsts, led with 72 points. Following, in order, were Malik Nabers (65, four), Rome Odunze (49, one), Brian Thomas (13), Xavier Worthy (12), Keon Coleman (eight), Mitchell (eight), Xavier Legette (seven), Ladd McConkey (three), Ja’Lynn Polk (two) and Roman Wilson (one).

harrison first for 11 scouts, Nabers 4 scouts, odunze just 1.

Nabers is probably my favorite, first choice possibility at 6.

Malik Nabers is a ridiculous football player. In plenty of recent drafts he'd be the best pound-for-pound player available. If not for MHJr, he would be this year.

*If* the Giants opt to go with Daniel Jones, Nabers has the ability to do what OBJ did for late-years Manning.

Nabers can look like he's returning punts when he's catching passes. Everyone looks like they started 40 yards away from him.

In comment 16477325 DonnieD89 said:

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would be a huge plus to the receiving core. I agree that he would have higher upside than Odunze. However, the Giants just lack big body receivers and do not have a solid red zone threat. I think that’s why a lot of us would prefer. Odunze over Nabers. Either way with these two receivers, I would be happy.

Nabers is like OBJ. The red zone begins at his own 20. Threat to take it to the house anytime

Does GiantGrit's report about Nabers being knocked down on our board due to the gun incident and other undisclosed legitimate character concerns? If that's the case, then I'd have to imagine someone would trade a haul to us for him. Ed Oliver and a king's ransom of picks from Buffalo? Jacksonville's 1-3 and 2025 1st? Chicago's pick 9, 3rd rd and 2025 2nd?

they are both true number 1 receivers this team has lacked for years assuming they strike out on taking a QB.

if the QB JS wants isn't available via trade or at 6. If Nabers is there at 6 draft him. The more I watch the more he is the guy, he's dynamic. Put him in opposite Hyatt or in slot same side and you'll create matchup problems all over the field.

Feel that Nabers will be great and a safer bet. Will the Giants gamble on the 4th QB with a trade up?

was picking for the Giants on a mock draft on YouTube. We're talking about a guy with a proven track record of picking WRs and he raved about Nabers and said the Giants would be thrilled to get him.

(BTW, in this mock, Maye went to Washington, Daniels to Pats, and Vikes traded up to take McCarthy at #5).

In comment 16477345 BleedBlue46 said:

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Does GiantGrit's report about Nabers being knocked down on our board due to the gun incident and other undisclosed legitimate character concerns? If that's the case, then I'd have to imagine someone would trade a haul to us for him. Ed Oliver and a king's ransom of picks from Buffalo? Jacksonville's 1-3 and 2025 1st? Chicago's pick 9, 3rd rd and 2025 2nd?

As someone who has operated this site for over 25 years, don't get too wed to internet reports.

In comment 16477386 Eric from BBI said:

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In comment 16477345 BleedBlue46 said: Quote: Does GiantGrit's report about Nabers being knocked down on our board due to the gun incident and other undisclosed legitimate character concerns? If that's the case, then I'd have to imagine someone would trade a haul to us for him. Ed Oliver and a king's ransom of picks from Buffalo? Jacksonville's 1-3 and 2025 1st? Chicago's pick 9, 3rd rd and 2025 2nd? As someone who has operated this site for over 25 years, don't get too wed to internet reports.

For sure, if he isn't knocked down on our board for character concerns, I'd say he's the clear-cut favorite over Odunze.

In comment 16477338 KDavies said:

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In comment 16477325 DonnieD89 said: Quote: would be a huge plus to the receiving core. I agree that he would have higher upside than Odunze. However, the Giants just lack big body receivers and do not have a solid red zone threat. I think that’s why a lot of us would prefer. Odunze over Nabers. Either way with these two receivers, I would be happy. Nabers is like OBJ. The red zone begins at his own 20. Threat to take it to the house anytime

Looking at their ceilings, would you rather have Odell Beckham Jr. or Larry Fitzgerald? I’ll take Larry Fitzgerald.

Its Nabers.

In comment 16477421 DonnieD89 said:

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In comment 16477338 KDavies said: Quote: In comment 16477325 DonnieD89 said: Quote: would be a huge plus to the receiving core. I agree that he would have higher upside than Odunze. However, the Giants just lack big body receivers and do not have a solid red zone threat. I think that’s why a lot of us would prefer. Odunze over Nabers. Either way with these two receivers, I would be happy. Nabers is like OBJ. The red zone begins at his own 20. Threat to take it to the house anytime Looking at their ceilings, would you rather have Odell Beckham Jr. or Larry Fitzgerald? I’ll take Larry Fitzgerald.

Nabers ceiling could be a better version of OBJ without the nonsense and injuries. And it's a lot easier to see Nabers reaching that ceiling than Odunze. Odunze is a smooth mover with impeccable character though, I see him having a good long career.

after the catch!

Pick Nabers at 6

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trade down to accrue a pick in the 10-15 range + future draft capital

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Pick Nabers at 6 OR trade down to accrue a pick in the 10-15 range + future draft capital

Is someone trading a future first for Nabers? I'm assuming in this scenario the 4 QBs are off the board.

But NYG could get a future 2, and still pick in the 9-11 range. And get their top defensive player OR a Brian Thomas Jr. type.

If NYG whiffs on these QBs - I like the idea of stockpiling 2025 picks.

People are talking about OBJ, but he seems thicker than OBJ. The legitimate question in my mind though is, how long is his window? Should the Giants be picking a game changing receiver before they have a quarterback?

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But NYG could get a future 2, and still pick in the 9-11 range. And get their top defensive player OR a Brian Thomas Jr. type. If NYG whiffs on these QBs - I like the idea of stockpiling 2025 picks.

I'd trade down hoping for Odunze or if not Penix.

he'd immediately be the most talented offensive player that we've had since OBJ.

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Pick Nabers at 6 OR trade down to accrue a pick in the 10-15 range + future draft capital

Is this assuming JJ and Maye are both off the board?

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People are talking about OBJ, but he seems thicker than OBJ. The legitimate question in my mind though is, how long is his window? Should the Giants be picking a game changing receiver before they have a quarterback?

Check out his broken tackles. I thinks it's the best in the class and if not, hes up there.

In comment 16477507 bigblue5611 said:

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In comment 16477477 Sy'56 said: Quote: Pick Nabers at 6 OR trade down to accrue a pick in the 10-15 range + future draft capital Is this assuming JJ and Maye are both off the board?

Correct

In comment 16477477 Sy'56 said:

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Pick Nabers at 6 OR trade down to accrue a pick in the 10-15 range + future draft capital

I'll take the trade down. Nabers is wasted here.

I think a very likely outcome is the Giants pick Nabers and stick with Jones. The Giants win 6 or so games next year and Nabers gives them a big boost on offense. Which leads to Jones in 2025.

The upside of Nabers is best receiver in the NFL - a bigger faster Odell Beckham.

And I think his floor is higher because he is an easy separator and excellent after the catch. Odunze is not much of a separator and so there is a little more risk with him.

I think both will be great, mind you, I have no problem having either guy, but I prefer Nabers.

In comment 16477536 christian said:

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I think a very likely outcome is the Giants pick Nabers and stick with Jones. The Giants win 6 or so games next year and Nabers gives them a big boost on offense. Which leads to Jones in 2025.

I don't think Jones is on this team in 2025 if he doesn't make the Giants a credible threat to make the NFC Championship game.

In comment 16477532 Sy'56 said:

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In comment 16477507 bigblue5611 said: Quote: In comment 16477477 Sy'56 said: Quote: Pick Nabers at 6 OR trade down to accrue a pick in the 10-15 range + future draft capital Is this assuming JJ and Maye are both off the board? Correct

I suppose it depends on what the future draft capital entails. If it’s a future first, I’d probably lean that way and take Brian Thomas this year and look for the QB next year. If it’s a 2nd round next year I think I may lean Nabers.

In comment 16477536 christian said:

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I think a very likely outcome is the Giants pick Nabers and stick with Jones. The Giants win 6 or so games next year and Nabers gives them a big boost on offense. Which leads to Jones in 2025.

If Nabers has a year like rookie Beckham, Jones will get saved.

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I think a very likely outcome is the Giants pick Nabers and stick with Jones. The Giants win 6 or so games next year and Nabers gives them a big boost on offense. Which leads to Jones in 2025.

I've said it most of this off-season, if a WR is selected at #6, the announcement is loud and clear from Schoen's office at 1925 GW:

Jones is our guy now and beyond.

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I think a very likely outcome is the Giants pick Nabers and stick with Jones. The Giants win 6 or so games next year and Nabers gives them a big boost on offense. Which leads to Jones in 2025.

Jones is the luckiest SOB in the history of the NFL if that is the case.

-Shurmur fired, Jones remains starter.
-Judge fired, Jones remains starter.
-New regime takes over with TWO top ten picks in a historically weak QB draft.
-Jones has a nice season in a contract year and parlays it into $82M guaranteed.
-Tyrod Taylor & Tommy DeVito win just enough games to put NYG on the outside of drafting a QB.

Has there ever been a QB who fell into a more fortunate set of circumstances?

In the far majority of situations the Jones chapter is slammed shut after 2021 but there were no QBs in that draft. It's unreal.

is the starter with the new OL, new defense, WR corps with Nabers and the others and this team only wins 6 games, he's not coming back in 2025.

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is the starter with the new OL, new defense, WR corps with Nabers and the others and this team only wins 6 games, he's not coming back in 2025.

And Daboll may not be back either.

If they pick Nabers Thursday night almost everyone will be on board, talking about his grade, the value, etc.

In November when they're 3-7 and the offense is scoring 18 PPG I wonder how people are going to feel.

In comment 16477566 Eric from BBI said:

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is the starter with the new OL, new defense, WR corps with Nabers and the others and this team only wins 6 games, he's not coming back in 2025.

Yep. Daboll probably fired too. I'd expect Schoen to get another hire at HC.

But give me the guy who is similarly rated who by all accounts isn't going to be a pain in the ass at some point in his career

In comment 16477569 Go Terps said:

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If they pick Nabers Thursday night almost everyone will be on board, talking about his grade, the value, etc. In November when they're 3-7 and the offense is scoring 18 PPG I wonder how people are going to feel.

QB hell is a bitch. But taking any QB isn't going to be the answer.

In comment 16477574 Eric from BBI said:

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In comment 16477569 Go Terps said: Quote: If they pick Nabers Thursday night almost everyone will be on board, talking about his grade, the value, etc. In November when they're 3-7 and the offense is scoring 18 PPG I wonder how people are going to feel. QB hell is a bitch. But taking any QB isn't going to be the answer.

The Giants don't take any QBs.

In comment 16477569 Go Terps said:

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If they pick Nabers Thursday night almost everyone will be on board, talking about his grade, the value, etc. In November when they're 3-7 and the offense is scoring 18 PPG I wonder how people are going to feel.

And that's going to be different if we draft a rookie QB? We are multiple years away. Looking at one player to fix this team is ridiculous.

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If they pick Nabers Thursday night almost everyone will be on board, talking about his grade, the value, etc. In November when they're 3-7 and the offense is scoring 18 PPG I wonder how people are going to feel.

When Evan Neal whiffs on a block and Penix has his third acl tear how are people going to feel ?

2014 Manning threw for 12 more TDs and 600 more yards YoY, but only won 6 games.

If Nabers does something close to that, I think it'll throw everything in flux.

You're too smart to understand things aren't always so black and white.

The Giants know they have a QB problem.

In comment 16477588 Eric from BBI said:

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You're too smart to understand things aren't always so black and white. The Giants know they have a QB problem.

If they don't pick one Thursday their actions will say otherwise, to me.

They've had three years. You said yourself - they have to get a guy in the next two years. Throwing one of two chances away...I struggle with that.

They came in knowing they had a problem at QB. In 3 years they've not only failed to address the problem, they've made it worse.

Either way it's incompetence.

Again... you know what happened. For some reason you are blocking it out.

2022... they did not extend the option. He was on the way out.

2023... that was the fuck-up. The should have Franchised him.

2024... they seem to recognize they fucked up and are trying to fix it. But we are in an unprecedented draft where QBs are going to go 1-2-3-4. Their entire pre-draft progress has been QB-centric.

So criticize them for 2023. That's fair.

And we still don't know how the 2024 draft will play out. They may get their QB by trading up. They may take one later.

It's a cop out saying they can't get one imo. Penix has been discussed going at 11 to the Vikings, 13 to the Raiders or 16 to the Seahawks. But, he can't go 6? Wouldn't Penix immediately be the best QB on the team?

They are on the fringe of Maye/McCarthy. They could draft Nix.

I just don't buy that they can't get a QB. It feels like an excuse to just put it off to a year which is supposed to be a weaker class.

An easy scenario to envision is NYG going 7-10 and picking 12th in 2025. Then what? Make a more expensive trade up for a QB prospect possibly less talented than McCarthy and maybe Penix?

I agree with Go Terps. I don't view passing on QB as an acceptable outcome.

The real crime would be if they ignore the QBs and it was clear that Jones would be handed the job again.

I suppose you can make the case that the QB search is just a show, but I don't think the team is that devious/clever.

Got some diva to him and had a fun incident in college. If he’s still somehow available in a trade down sure, but I’d rather the QB or Odunze. Don’t need another diva here.

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It's a cop out saying they can't get one imo. Penix has been discussed going at 11 to the Vikings, 13 to the Raiders or 16 to the Seahawks. But, he can't go 6? Wouldn't Penix immediately be the best QB on the team? They are on the fringe of Maye/McCarthy. They could draft Nix. I just don't buy that they can't get a QB. It feels like an excuse to just put it off to a year which is supposed to be a weaker class. An easy scenario to envision is NYG going 7-10 and picking 12th in 2025. Then what? Make a more expensive trade up for a QB prospect possibly less talented than McCarthy and maybe Penix? I agree with Go Terps. I don't view passing on QB as an acceptable outcome.

Why don't the Commanders take Penix? Why don't the Pats take Penix? Why are the Vikings trying to trade up for Maye or McCarthy and not Penix?

Why don't we just draft Rattler at 6? He's a QB. Apparently it doesn't matter. Hell, let's draft Milton at 6.

In comment 16477606 ryanmkeane said:

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Got some diva to him and had a fun incident in college. If he’s still somehow available in a trade down sure, but I’d rather the QB or Odunze. Don’t need another diva here.

Gun* incident

In comment 16477477 Sy'56 said:

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Pick Nabers at 6 OR trade down to accrue a pick in the 10-15 range + future draft capital

Trade down.

Is the best of the 3,if I have to choose between the other 2,I take 6'3" over 6 ft
Odunze fits our needs and is one hell of a receiver

Penix is a projected first rounder by most accounts. As you always says, the successes of the QBs in this draft won't be in the order they are drafted.

You know the Giants don't have a solution at QB. Passing on first round graded QBs when there is no QB solution on the team is questionable to me.

In comment 16477613 Sean said:

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Penix is a projected first rounder by most accounts. As you always says, the successes of the QBs in this draft won't be in the order they are drafted. You know the Giants don't have a solution at QB. Passing on first round graded QBs when there is no QB solution on the team is questionable to me.

Nix is supposed to go in the first round too. Since he doesn't already have bad knees and shoulders, why not Nix at #6? Is that OK? That would be the safer pick.

Since this process started I've said that I would be happy with any of the top six QBs: Williams, Daniels, Maye, McCarthy, Penix or Nix. Get one of those and I'm happy. I don't care how, just get it done.

I don't think fans realize how ugly things will be if the Giants start slow with a QB room of Jones, Lock & DeVito. It will be very bad. I think bad enough to cost people their jobs.

The 2022 team benefitted from a fast start. If it's Jones and a slow start, it's going to be really bad.

If you can at least go to Penix or Nix, that will help. Let's at least try something different at the position.

Bottom line, if Nabers is the pick Thursday - I want Schoen on the phones trying to get back into the first for Penix or Nix.

I'm just trying to understand where you are coming from.

Are you saying that Penix is a top 10 player in this draft?

Or are you saying that if any QB taken in round one (picks 1-32) should be considered from the very start of the draft? (i.e., if you take him at 20, then you should be willing to take him at 6?)

I'm not giving up next year's #1 pick (which could be a top 10 pick) to trade back up for Penix or Nix. I'm just not doing that.

In Maye and McCarthy. I don’t think there’s much room for growth with Penix and Nix.

So if the 4 QBs are gone before we pick. Take the WR in round 1 or trade pick for a WR and possibly CB/DL in round 1.

In comment 16477616 Eric from BBI said:

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Nix is supposed to go in the first round too. Since he doesn't already have bad knees and shoulders, why not Nix at #6? Is that OK? That would be the safer pick.

One thing I have been able to discern from Schoen with his view on QB prospects is that he absolutely values physical tools - size, arm, mobility, etc. Draw a line back to his days in Buffalo when they traded for Allen.

So, I don't think Nix has enough of those traits to convince Schoen to use pick six.

said (on the Podcast and in the Forum) that I would not be surprised if Penix or Nix go in the first round. I expect the Vikings, Broncos, and Raiders to look long and hard at them. I've also said that I would not be shocked if the Giants took Penix at 6.

But the only way I do that is if the doctors/trainers gave him a clean bill of health. One of the insiders (Fowler, Albright, one of those guys) said that some teams are OK with Penix as long as he is "managed". What the hell does that mean? Limited practice snaps?

to be honest, I don't have a warm and fuzzy feeling about any of these QBs.

I know the Giants need to address the position.

I've seen a couple of long interviews with Waldman recently and he's very convincing when he says the reason why so many young QB studs bust is they are thrown to the wolves when they are not ready to process the NFL game and it wrecks them. He said there are guys who come out who are more NFL ready in processing the game. This year he said Penix and Nix fall into that category. I suspect because of all of the games they've played (although oddly I don't think he put Daniels in that category...not 100 percent sure about that because I think I skipped over his Daniels comments).

Long story short, it might be safer to take the "smarter" (processing) guy if you intend him to start sooner rather than to sit him for two years (like Love).

The Giants are one of the most injury prone teams in the league and a guy that’s dislocated both shoulders and blew out the same knee twice already doesn’t seem like a good use if resources. I think he will be a very good QB in the NFL if he can stay healthy, but I don’t think he can.

As for Nabers, he has the highest upside of the WRs but may also be of the greatest risk being in NY and maturity. I would still take him. I’d rank them Harrison, Nabers, Odunze.

I would only trade up for a QB if it didn’t include a #1 next year. I wouldn’t trade up for McCarthy. If McCarthy is there I try to trade out and get a #1 for next year. I need at least 2 #1s, or a 2 this year and next. You are giving up on the opportunity to draft an elite player for a good player. Wr is a need and value.

The difference in SYs rating for the 2 is 1 point... thats nothing considering Nabers is a year younger and played in much tougher competetion and better per game production. Also contested catch rate is important but its no where near as important as the ability to get open. Nabers gets open.. even more so than MHJ. Odunze barely ever gets open. I am not saying Odunze is bad. But Nabers is no slouch and most people have Nabers above Odunze. Between the 3 wrs I have seen anyone say Odunze is the best.. Most people pick MHJ or Nabers..

What I don't want is JJ McCarthy. His own coach never trusted him to throw the ball and now that the coach has the 5th pick he wants to make it seem like JJ is the next coming of Tom Brady.. just so he can get much more value out of the 5th pick or get MHJ.

In comment 16477599 Eric from BBI said:

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Again... you know what happened. For some reason you are blocking it out. 2022... they did not extend the option. He was on the way out. 2023... that was the fuck-up. The should have Franchised him. 2024... they seem to recognize they fucked up and are trying to fix it. But we are in an unprecedented draft where QBs are going to go 1-2-3-4. Their entire pre-draft progress has been QB-centric. So criticize them for 2023. That's fair. And we still don't know how the 2024 draft will play out. They may get their QB by trading up. They may take one later.

Let me clarify - if the Giants leave this draft with a QB (it doesn't have to be Penix) I'll be right there giving Schoen credit for making it happen and feeling good about our direction.

I agree with your recollection of their actions these past three years. I don't disagree with a thing. And my stance is that if you took a job that you knew had a QB problem and in 3 years you not only added no one but you paid the problem - that's unacceptable.

I'll say again: entering 2024 with a Jones/Lock/DeVito QB room is unacceptable. If I were the owner my 2024 expectation would be a winning season with an explosive offense led by Jones. Anything less and I'm firing the GM and the head coach.

and trading down to collect 2025 assets, I'd trade down. Adding Nabers isn't going to make this a top offense, that will only happen when the qb room is improved. So, trade down, collect more assets and quality players and try again on QB next year when you have more assets to trade up if needed

Ja Morent.

But, I would be equally happy with Nabers.

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I'm not giving up next year's #1 pick (which could be a top 10 pick) to trade back up for Penix or Nix. I'm just not doing that.

The number one next year is going to be a super number one value to the Giants because there is a good chance they will be picking top ten next year. If Maye and/or JJM are not attainable because they are gone take Nabers and move on.
Let the GM and Head Coach use the rest of the draft to make some astute picks/trades to strengthen the roster. We can agree we have many holes to fill. Hold on to next year's one with the only exception is to use it to get the QB they absolutely love that I don't believe is Penix or Nix.

I don't see much of a difference in picking a QB at 6 vs 20. If Schoen has a first round grade on Nix or Penix, I don't see why they shouldn't be picked at 6. I'd assume a first round grade means the team feels they are getting a solid starting level QB for the duration of the rookie contract. Why is that bad? Why does the upside always have to be Patrick Mahomes or Josh Allen to draft a first round QB? If that's the case, there will always be a reason not to.

Here's the other issue. Wasn't Daboll hired partly due to his ability to develop QBs? Well, why isn't the team bringing in an QBs for him to develop? There is a risk that he will be fired after 2024 without ever drafting a QB. That's ridiculous to me.

Lastly, did we all forget last season? Jones has always had durability issues. The Giants played a game which they didn't want their QB to throw a pass. DeVito handed it off every play just about against the Jets. I don't believe the Giants are that high on Drew Lock to be the solution for 2024.

If the Giants keep waiting, it'll become 2026 and we'll still be talking about Daniel Jones.

You simply can't ignore what you are passing up. There are three elite talents in this draft - they are all wide receivers. Three of the quarterbacks have made the case from an elite ceiling perspective to justify reaching for need. That's it. Passing on any of the three receivers for the second tier quarterbacks is a mistake. Arguably, the biggest mistake there is as we have collectively experienced for five years with DJ.

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You simply can't ignore what you are passing up. There are three elite talents in this draft - they are all wide receivers. Three of the quarterbacks have made the case from an elite ceiling perspective to justify reaching for need. That's it. Passing on any of the three receivers for the second tier quarterbacks is a mistake. Arguably, the biggest mistake there is as we have collectively experienced for five years with DJ.

You have said Schoen must come away with a franchise QB this year. Have you changed your tune on that. Drafting Nabers could very well mean status quo at QB.

In the Maye situation - Nabers will be a Giant.

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In comment 16477682 The Mike said: Quote: You simply can't ignore what you are passing up. There are three elite talents in this draft - they are all wide receivers. Three of the quarterbacks have made the case from an elite ceiling perspective to justify reaching for need. That's it. Passing on any of the three receivers for the second tier quarterbacks is a mistake. Arguably, the biggest mistake there is as we have collectively experienced for five years with DJ. You have said Schoen must come away with a franchise QB this year. Have you changed your tune on that. Drafting Nabers could very well mean status quo at QB.

No question, but you can't force a pick. If they have a chance to move up to four for one of the top three guys, then they absolutely should. Whatever it takes except their 2025 first pick. But that would only happen if the Pats are morons so I am not counting on it. So they either take a WR at six and try to trade back up to get one of the second tier guys. Or they trade back with a Denver for a Surtain like package that has been discussed here and draft Penix at twelve. Surtain and a 2025 first that will likely be a top ten pick is in my mind the minimal rate for passing on an elite talent. As we learned with Micah Parsons.

No to McCarthy (especially in a trade up).

Passing on an elite talent like Nabers to pick one of the QBs rated 4-6, gets this team nowhere. The Giants aren't going to win a Super Bowl by drafting a QB who is marginally better than DJ.

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If they pick Nabers Thursday night almost everyone will be on board, talking about his grade, the value, etc. In November when they're 3-7 and the offense is scoring 18 PPG I wonder how people are going to feel.

Déjà vu all over again or Groundhog Day, take your pick.

In comment 16477584 robbieballs2003 said:

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In comment 16477569 Go Terps said: Quote: If they pick Nabers Thursday night almost everyone will be on board, talking about his grade, the value, etc. In November when they're 3-7 and the offense is scoring 18 PPG I wonder how people are going to feel. And that's going to be different if we draft a rookie QB? We are multiple years away. Looking at one player to fix this team is ridiculous.

True, but at some point we have to start. If we never start we never finish.

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In comment 16477536 christian said: Quote: I think a very likely outcome is the Giants pick Nabers and stick with Jones. The Giants win 6 or so games next year and Nabers gives them a big boost on offense. Which leads to Jones in 2025. I've said it most of this off-season, if a WR is selected at #6, the announcement is loud and clear from Schoen's office at 1925 GW: Jones is our guy now and beyond.

Then John Mara will deserve every second of abuse he gets. It will get ugly.

Nabers would be a massive get for us. If he's the pick, we're going to have to record some of the responses. Will be a good laugh to review down the road.

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But NYG could get a future 2, and still pick in the 9-11 range. And get their top defensive player OR a Brian Thomas Jr. type. If NYG whiffs on these QBs - I like the idea of stockpiling 2025 picks.

If no QB, I am in for trading back in the 9-15 range. Take Thomas or killer CB/DL plus an extra 2 and maybe 2 next year. But I do not see the likely trade teams with a good round 2 pick except LV at 44 or Atlanta at 43... I don't see Atlanta giving up next years #2.

Slayton is on the block. I'm not sure what we'd get for him, but they'd at least get something and we need assets.

In comment 16477695 Jim in Tampa said:

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No to McCarthy (especially in a trade up). Passing on an elite talent like Nabers to pick one of the QBs rated 4-6, gets this team nowhere. The Giants aren't going to win a Super Bowl by drafting a QB who is marginally better than DJ.

Marginally better?

Jones couldn't sniff a D1 school offering him a scholarship let alone a program like Michigan.

JJM is a much better QB than Jones.

gets larger.

It's up to the HC/GM to find something in a player's game then can elevate to the pro level.

If they see something in one of these QBs in the draft that they can make work, I say get him and move forward.

Take the 6-1 odds that he’s going to be the Giants pick if glorious NYS would allow me to play it . I think he is the most likely Giants pick, all factors considered . Don’t think the Giants are trading up . Doubt they move down. Six is kind of the Dead Zone in this draft unless another team panics.

PS I would be very happy with the choice .

In comment 16477569 Go Terps said:

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If they pick Nabers Thursday night almost everyone will be on board, talking about his grade, the value, etc. In November when they're 3-7 and the offense is scoring 18 PPG I wonder how people are going to feel.

Always so positive! I would like to meet you one day because I'm sure you are a decent human being, but such a slave to darkness. I'm hoping for the best! For and from everyone!

...a trade down and then picking either of Penix or Nix, if possible.

I don't want the Giants to trade up for a QB (unless by some miracle Daniels is there at 3 and NE doesn't want him).

The Giants have to many holes on the roster besides QB to be using picks to trade up for a question mark at QB.

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If Nabers has a year like rookie Beckham, Jones will get saved.

If Nabers’ ability to catch a 5 yard slant and take it 50 yards for a TD somehow tells Schoen and Daboll we can win with Jones, we hired Gettleman and Judge 2.0.

In comment 16477695 Jim in Tampa said:

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No to McCarthy (especially in a trade up). Passing on an elite talent like Nabers to pick one of the QBs rated 4-6, gets this team nowhere. The Giants aren't going to win a Super Bowl by drafting a QB who is marginally better than DJ.

Once again, not all teams have the same rankings. It's not a ai automated draft. Josh Allen was the 3rd QB and Lamar Jackson was the 5th QB in 2018. Dan Marino was the 5th QB selected in 1983. Joe Montana was the 4th QB selected in 1979. There are myriad examples of this.

would be a phenomenal pick. I'd be thrilled to get him.

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In comment 16477622 Eric from BBI said: Quote: I'm not giving up next year's #1 pick (which could be a top 10 pick) to trade back up for Penix or Nix. I'm just not doing that. The number one next year is going to be a super number one value to the Giants because there is a good chance they will be picking top ten next year. If Maye and/or JJM are not attainable because they are gone take Nabers and move on. Let the GM and Head Coach use the rest of the draft to make some astute picks/trades to strengthen the roster. We can agree we have many holes to fill. Hold on to next year's one with the only exception is to use it to get the QB they absolutely love that I don't believe is Penix or Nix.

They are picking top 10 already this year. In a draft where 4 QBs may be top 5 prospects, you don’t like forcing the QB pick, but in 2025 you do? How many top 5 prospects are you anticipating being in the 2025 draft?

I don’t understand these posts. If you don’t want to “force” a pick at QB in 2024, why do you love the idea of doing it in 2025? If pick needs to be for value, then you need to be ok with the idea that it may be another 5 years or longer before those line up. Or you need to be ok addressing it through trade or free agency.

with WR1 but fine with him if Giants feel he can win battles with physical corners.

Hope he doesn't drop passes when/if the Giants get back to the playoffs...like the last LSU WR here. I like WR's like Nicks.

It would be fine to get him. The team has a number of needs, this is one.

is the group think on "instantaneous gratification".
Reminding everyone, the draft is as much for the future, to build your team as it is about plugging holes and getting immediate, top notch level play!

Apparently, we've all forgotten this.
Nabers is 20 years old!! If he becomes the player we think he will be, we've got a pro bowl talent for the next decade plus.

I suspect we will resolve the QB issue over the next year or two.
So how does drafting this kind of talent not make us better in the long run?

Oh yeah, we are all tired of losing, have to kick some ass immediately. (sigh).

Because I really think Nabers will be taken before the 6th pick. Nabers is NFL ready with his build and his ability, I think he's better than Harrison.
If Nabers is still there at the sixth pick the Giants should scoop him up!

may have already been removed from the NY Giants draft board.

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may have already been removed from the NY Giants draft board.

I said that on a thread I started to remind people of the gun incident because I and many others had forgotten about that. I got a lot of backlash because I didn't explain better. He would still be on our board, but being knocked down essentially would take him off our board because other teams won't care and will take him in the top 10.

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It's a cop out saying they can't get one imo. Penix has been discussed going at 11 to the Vikings, 13 to the Raiders or 16 to the Seahawks. But, he can't go 6? Wouldn't Penix immediately be the best QB on the team? They are on the fringe of Maye/McCarthy. They could draft Nix. I just don't buy that they can't get a QB. It feels like an excuse to just put it off to a year which is supposed to be a weaker class. An easy scenario to envision is NYG going 7-10 and picking 12th in 2025. Then what? Make a more expensive trade up for a QB prospect possibly less talented than McCarthy and maybe Penix? I agree with Go Terps. I don't view passing on QB as an acceptable outcome.

At 6 we're not looking for "the best QB on our team" We're looking for a 12 year starter. If Penix is that, pick him. If he's not, you don't.

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In comment 16477613 Sean said: Quote: Penix is a projected first rounder by most accounts. As you always says, the successes of the QBs in this draft won't be in the order they are drafted. You know the Giants don't have a solution at QB. Passing on first round graded QBs when there is no QB solution on the team is questionable to me. Nix is supposed to go in the first round too. Since he doesn't already have bad knees and shoulders, why not Nix at #6? Is that OK? That would be the safer pick.

If you're looking at measurables, DJ has MUCH better tangibles than Bo Nix.... Nix at 6 would be a joke.

Daniel Jones is broken.

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At 6 we're not looking for "the best QB on our team" We're looking for a 12 year starter. If Penix is that, pick him. If he's not, you don't.

12 year starter? How do you know a guy is a 12 year starter before the guy starts a single game?

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In comment 16478146 4xchamps said: Quote: At 6 we're not looking for "the best QB on our team" We're looking for a 12 year starter. If Penix is that, pick him. If he's not, you don't. 12 year starter? How do you know a guy is a 12 year starter before the guy starts a single game?

That is why you have scouts. To project what a player may become while playing for us. If it was as simple as picking names off a dartboard the Giants could hire a bunch of active BBI members.

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I'm not giving up next year's #1 pick (which could be a top 10 pick) to trade back up for Penix or Nix. I'm just not doing that.

Why not? Both guys are often described as Day 1 picks. And the Giants have to upgrade the QB position.

A top 10 pick may not get us a QB next year either. We have a #6 now and seems like it isn't enough to get what everybody wants.

In comment 16478148Nix is supposed to go in the first round too. Since he doesn't already have bad knees and shoulders, why not Nix at #6? Is that OK? That would be the safer pick.

If you're looking at measurables, DJ has MUCH better tangibles than Bo Nix.... Nix at 6 would be a joke.[/quote]

I'm curious what those tangibles are. Can you please list them?

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In comment 16478214 Go Terps said: Quote: In comment 16478146 4xchamps said: Quote: At 6 we're not looking for "the best QB on our team" We're looking for a 12 year starter. If Penix is that, pick him. If he's not, you don't. 12 year starter? How do you know a guy is a 12 year starter before the guy starts a single game? That is why you have scouts. To project what a player may become while playing for us. If it was as simple as picking names off a dartboard the Giants could hire a bunch of active BBI members.

As poorly as the Giants have drafted these last ten years they probably would be better off.

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In comment 16478148Nix is supposed to go in the first round too. Since he doesn't already have bad knees and shoulders, why not Nix at #6? Is that OK? That would be the safer pick. If you're looking at measurables, DJ has MUCH better tangibles than Bo Nix.... Nix at 6 would be a joke.

I'm curious what those tangibles are. Can you please list them? [/quote]

Stronger arm, more athletic, taller

With the OL we have been putting on the field, we don’t have a 12 game starter. All this talk of a QB is nuts until the OL is fixed. We patched it up again this offseason. Time will tell if we finally did it right. If not, Mahommes couldn’t win with the team we have been putting out there.

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With the OL we have been putting on the field, we don’t have a 12 game starter. All this talk of a QB is nuts until the OL is fixed. We patched it up again this offseason. Time will tell if we finally did it right. If not, Mahommes couldn’t win with the team we have been putting out there.

Can't have a good OL without a good QB. We've been trying it your way for years. And it doesn't work because we don't have a starting caliber signal caller.

In comment 16477620 Sean said:

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Since this process started I've said that I would be happy with any of the top six QBs: Williams, Daniels, Maye, McCarthy, Penix or Nix. Get one of those and I'm happy. I don't care how, just get it done. I don't think fans realize how ugly things will be if the Giants start slow with a QB room of Jones, Lock & DeVito. It will be very bad. I think bad enough to cost people their jobs. The 2022 team benefitted from a fast start. If it's Jones and a slow start, it's going to be really bad. If you can at least go to Penix or Nix, that will help. Let's at least try something different at the position. Bottom line, if Nabers is the pick Thursday - I want Schoen on the phones trying to get back into the first for Penix or Nix.

Right there with you on the bottom line, although I'd rather it'd be Nix because he's got the build to take a beating

I would love a QB, but Nabers is a very exciting prospect and would be a great addition. Reminds me of a young OBJ in that he can take short passes and turn them into big plays with his explosiveness and attacking mentality. He's a dog.

If you get him I think you then look at adding Nix (or Penix if he gets past LV).

We've obviously done a ton of work on QBs. Its not a smoke screen, we are absolutely exploring any and all avenues for adding a QB in the draft. So if we pass on QB and take Nabers I assume its because we don't have conviction in what is available and I am okay with that.