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Malik Nabers seems to be out of favor here, but he shouldn't

Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/20/2024 7:44 pm
I've seen a ton of posts that say if we go WR, it should be Odunze. I'm on record as saying I am a big fan of his style of play and personality.

However, Nabers' skillset probably translates to a higher upside in the NFL. Some have him actually rated over Harrison.

I know there are plenty of fans out there who feel that if we don't get a QB this year that the draft will be a failure. However, I can't be upset with the pick of Nabers at #6. The guy is a stud and would immediately transform the WR room. Hyatt and Robinson become much different players when teamed with Nabers.
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We are fortunate that our "worst case scenario"  
robbieballs2003 : 4/20/2024 7:47 pm : link
is getting potentially one of the best WR in the game if they live up to their potential.
I agree  
OBJ_AllDay : 4/20/2024 7:47 pm : link
And would love to add Nabers if the price for the qb they want is too high. I would be very against a trade down with Nabers available at 6.
I'd be fine with Nabers f we didn't need a QB  
56goat : 4/20/2024 7:47 pm : link
Needing a QB trumps all.
I don't know how any Giants fan can't not love the kid  
KDavies : 4/20/2024 7:48 pm : link
reminds me of a better OBJ coming out
RE: I don't know how any Giants fan can't not love the kid  
Big Rick in FL : 4/20/2024 7:49 pm : link
In comment 16477316 KDavies said:
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reminds me of a better OBJ coming out


There are a lot of dumb people in our fanbase.
I'd rather trade down if possible,  
BleedBlue46 : 4/20/2024 7:50 pm : link
But it wouldn't be terrible obviously. I know a lot of people would be thrilled to see DJ play with Nabers including some family members of mine.
I think Odunze seems like a safer pick  
Rjanyg : 4/20/2024 7:51 pm : link
He also seems to compliment the skill sets of Hyatt and Robinson.

Nabers seems like a more explosive WR compared to both Harrison and Odunze.

I would be ok with WR at 6 if the ability to get the QB doesn’t pan out.

I have a feeling, if I am Daboll, I would like to trade up for Maye but the fall back plan is Nabers.
No doubt that Nabers  
DonnieD89 : 4/20/2024 7:51 pm : link
would be a huge plus to the receiving core. I agree that he would have higher upside than Odunze. However, the Giants just lack big body receivers and do not have a solid red zone threat. I think that’s why a lot of us would prefer. Odunze over Nabers. Either way with these two receivers, I would be happy.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/20/2024 7:51 pm : link
If we don't take a QB @ 6 or move up for him & assuming he's on the board, I think he's the pick.

I'd prefer Roman. Sy compared Odunze to Fitz. But apparently Dabs loves Nabers.
I agree  
gersh : 4/20/2024 7:53 pm : link
I understand that Odunze seems to be a better risk, and apparently has elite contested catch ability.

However, just for watching highlights, it seems very clear than neighbors is much more of a YAC thread, and plays faster.

I honestly don’t understand why having Hyatt would be a reason to take Odunze over Nabers if Nabers would otherwise be preferable.
funny i've perceived the opposite - that nabers seems to be elevating  
Eric on Li : 4/20/2024 7:54 pm : link
over odunze by a meaningful margin. albrights comments with FO people and mcginn's scouts both agree on it too:

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In 2023, Ohio State’s Jaxon Smith-Njigba went to Seattle at No. 20 as the first wide receiver selected. When 15 scouts were asked how many of this draft’s wideouts were better prospects than Smith-Njigba, their average response was five.

Those 15 executives plus another were asked to rank the wide receivers on a 1-2-3-4-5 basis. A first-place vote was worth 5 points, a second-place vote was worth 4 and so on.

Harrison, with 11 firsts, led with 72 points. Following, in order, were Malik Nabers (65, four), Rome Odunze (49, one), Brian Thomas (13), Xavier Worthy (12), Keon Coleman (eight), Mitchell (eight), Xavier Legette (seven), Ladd McConkey (three), Ja’Lynn Polk (two) and Roman Wilson (one).


harrison first for 11 scouts, Nabers 4 scouts, odunze just 1.
Are you kidding?  
David B. : 4/20/2024 7:54 pm : link
Nabers is probably my favorite, first choice possibility at 6.
 
christian : 4/20/2024 7:55 pm : link
Malik Nabers is a ridiculous football player. In plenty of recent drafts he'd be the best pound-for-pound player available. If not for MHJr, he would be this year.

*If* the Giants opt to go with Daniel Jones, Nabers has the ability to do what OBJ did for late-years Manning.

Nabers can look like he's returning punts when he's catching passes. Everyone looks like they started 40 yards away from him.
RE: No doubt that Nabers  
KDavies : 4/20/2024 7:55 pm : link
In comment 16477325 DonnieD89 said:
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would be a huge plus to the receiving core. I agree that he would have higher upside than Odunze. However, the Giants just lack big body receivers and do not have a solid red zone threat. I think that’s why a lot of us would prefer. Odunze over Nabers. Either way with these two receivers, I would be happy.


Nabers is like OBJ. The red zone begins at his own 20. Threat to take it to the house anytime
The big question I have:  
BleedBlue46 : 4/20/2024 7:58 pm : link
Does GiantGrit's report about Nabers being knocked down on our board due to the gun incident and other undisclosed legitimate character concerns? If that's the case, then I'd have to imagine someone would trade a haul to us for him. Ed Oliver and a king's ransom of picks from Buffalo? Jacksonville's 1-3 and 2025 1st? Chicago's pick 9, 3rd rd and 2025 2nd?
I'd take Nabers or Odunze  
GFAN52 : 4/20/2024 8:01 pm : link
they are both true number 1 receivers this team has lacked for years assuming they strike out on taking a QB.
Nabers is the player i want  
EJNNJ : 4/20/2024 8:10 pm : link
if the QB JS wants isn't available via trade or at 6. If Nabers is there at 6 draft him. The more I watch the more he is the guy, he's dynamic. Put him in opposite Hyatt or in slot same side and you'll create matchup problems all over the field.
I have come over to Nabers from Odunze  
US1 Giants : 4/20/2024 8:13 pm : link
Feel that Nabers will be great and a safer bet. Will the Giants gamble on the 4th QB with a trade up?
Thomas Dimitroff  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/20/2024 8:16 pm : link
was picking for the Giants on a mock draft on YouTube. We're talking about a guy with a proven track record of picking WRs and he raved about Nabers and said the Giants would be thrilled to get him.

(BTW, in this mock, Maye went to Washington, Daniels to Pats, and Vikes traded up to take McCarthy at #5).
RE: The big question I have:  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/20/2024 8:18 pm : link
In comment 16477345 BleedBlue46 said:
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Does GiantGrit's report about Nabers being knocked down on our board due to the gun incident and other undisclosed legitimate character concerns? If that's the case, then I'd have to imagine someone would trade a haul to us for him. Ed Oliver and a king's ransom of picks from Buffalo? Jacksonville's 1-3 and 2025 1st? Chicago's pick 9, 3rd rd and 2025 2nd?


As someone who has operated this site for over 25 years, don't get too wed to internet reports.
RE: RE: The big question I have:  
BleedBlue46 : 4/20/2024 8:29 pm : link
In comment 16477386 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 16477345 BleedBlue46 said:


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Does GiantGrit's report about Nabers being knocked down on our board due to the gun incident and other undisclosed legitimate character concerns? If that's the case, then I'd have to imagine someone would trade a haul to us for him. Ed Oliver and a king's ransom of picks from Buffalo? Jacksonville's 1-3 and 2025 1st? Chicago's pick 9, 3rd rd and 2025 2nd?



As someone who has operated this site for over 25 years, don't get too wed to internet reports.


For sure, if he isn't knocked down on our board for character concerns, I'd say he's the clear-cut favorite over Odunze.
RE: RE: No doubt that Nabers  
DonnieD89 : 4/20/2024 8:44 pm : link
In comment 16477338 KDavies said:
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In comment 16477325 DonnieD89 said:


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would be a huge plus to the receiving core. I agree that he would have higher upside than Odunze. However, the Giants just lack big body receivers and do not have a solid red zone threat. I think that’s why a lot of us would prefer. Odunze over Nabers. Either way with these two receivers, I would be happy.



Nabers is like OBJ. The red zone begins at his own 20. Threat to take it to the house anytime


Looking at their ceilings, would you rather have Odell Beckham Jr. or Larry Fitzgerald? I’ll take Larry Fitzgerald.
I think if its not Maye  
The Dude : 4/20/2024 8:49 pm : link
Its Nabers.
RE: RE: RE: No doubt that Nabers  
BleedBlue46 : 4/20/2024 8:50 pm : link
In comment 16477421 DonnieD89 said:
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In comment 16477338 KDavies said:


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In comment 16477325 DonnieD89 said:


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would be a huge plus to the receiving core. I agree that he would have higher upside than Odunze. However, the Giants just lack big body receivers and do not have a solid red zone threat. I think that’s why a lot of us would prefer. Odunze over Nabers. Either way with these two receivers, I would be happy.



Nabers is like OBJ. The red zone begins at his own 20. Threat to take it to the house anytime



Looking at their ceilings, would you rather have Odell Beckham Jr. or Larry Fitzgerald? I’ll take Larry Fitzgerald.


Nabers ceiling could be a better version of OBJ without the nonsense and injuries. And it's a lot easier to see Nabers reaching that ceiling than Odunze. Odunze is a smooth mover with impeccable character though, I see him having a good long career.
I'd be very happy to get Nabers. He's fast, explosive and the best  
Ira : 4/20/2024 8:59 pm : link
after the catch!
Million Dollar Question:  
Sy'56 : 4/20/2024 9:17 pm : link
Pick Nabers at 6

OR

trade down to accrue a pick in the 10-15 range + future draft capital
RE: Million Dollar Question:  
Sean : 4/20/2024 9:19 pm : link
In comment 16477477 Sy'56 said:
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Pick Nabers at 6

OR

trade down to accrue a pick in the 10-15 range + future draft capital

Is someone trading a future first for Nabers? I'm assuming in this scenario the 4 QBs are off the board.
No future first for Nabers  
Sy'56 : 4/20/2024 9:22 pm : link
But NYG could get a future 2, and still pick in the 9-11 range. And get their top defensive player OR a Brian Thomas Jr. type.

If NYG whiffs on these QBs - I like the idea of stockpiling 2025 picks.
I think of Nabers as a game changer  
Angus : 4/20/2024 9:29 pm : link
People are talking about OBJ, but he seems thicker than OBJ. The legitimate question in my mind though is, how long is his window? Should the Giants be picking a game changing receiver before they have a quarterback?
RE: No future first for Nabers  
BleedBlue46 : 4/20/2024 9:30 pm : link
In comment 16477481 Sy'56 said:
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But NYG could get a future 2, and still pick in the 9-11 range. And get their top defensive player OR a Brian Thomas Jr. type.

If NYG whiffs on these QBs - I like the idea of stockpiling 2025 picks.


I'd trade down hoping for Odunze or if not Penix.
Nabers is an amazing talent and  
Jan in DC : 4/20/2024 9:36 pm : link
he'd immediately be the most talented offensive player that we've had since OBJ.
RE: Million Dollar Question:  
bigblue5611 : 4/20/2024 9:40 pm : link
In comment 16477477 Sy'56 said:
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Pick Nabers at 6

OR

trade down to accrue a pick in the 10-15 range + future draft capital


Is this assuming JJ and Maye are both off the board?
RE: I think of Nabers as a game changer  
robbieballs2003 : 4/20/2024 9:41 pm : link
In comment 16477488 Angus said:
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People are talking about OBJ, but he seems thicker than OBJ. The legitimate question in my mind though is, how long is his window? Should the Giants be picking a game changing receiver before they have a quarterback?


Check out his broken tackles. I thinks it's the best in the class and if not, hes up there.
RE: RE: Million Dollar Question:  
Sy'56 : 4/20/2024 9:59 pm : link
In comment 16477507 bigblue5611 said:
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In comment 16477477 Sy'56 said:


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Pick Nabers at 6

OR

trade down to accrue a pick in the 10-15 range + future draft capital



Is this assuming JJ and Maye are both off the board?


Correct
RE: Million Dollar Question:  
Go Terps : 4/20/2024 10:00 pm : link
In comment 16477477 Sy'56 said:
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Pick Nabers at 6

OR

trade down to accrue a pick in the 10-15 range + future draft capital


I'll take the trade down. Nabers is wasted here.
 
christian : 4/20/2024 10:04 pm : link
I think a very likely outcome is the Giants pick Nabers and stick with Jones. The Giants win 6 or so games next year and Nabers gives them a big boost on offense. Which leads to Jones in 2025.
Nabers has better upside and floor than Odunze  
Darwinian : 4/20/2024 10:06 pm : link
The upside of Nabers is best receiver in the NFL - a bigger faster Odell Beckham.

And I think his floor is higher because he is an easy separator and excellent after the catch. Odunze is not much of a separator and so there is a little more risk with him.

I think both will be great, mind you, I have no problem having either guy, but I prefer Nabers.
RE: …  
Darwinian : 4/20/2024 10:08 pm : link
In comment 16477536 christian said:
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I think a very likely outcome is the Giants pick Nabers and stick with Jones. The Giants win 6 or so games next year and Nabers gives them a big boost on offense. Which leads to Jones in 2025.


I don't think Jones is on this team in 2025 if he doesn't make the Giants a credible threat to make the NFC Championship game.
RE: RE: RE: Million Dollar Question:  
bigblue5611 : 4/20/2024 10:10 pm : link
In comment 16477532 Sy'56 said:
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In comment 16477507 bigblue5611 said:


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In comment 16477477 Sy'56 said:


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Pick Nabers at 6

OR

trade down to accrue a pick in the 10-15 range + future draft capital



Is this assuming JJ and Maye are both off the board?



Correct


I suppose it depends on what the future draft capital entails. If it’s a future first, I’d probably lean that way and take Brian Thomas this year and look for the QB next year. If it’s a 2nd round next year I think I may lean Nabers.
RE: …  
Go Terps : 4/20/2024 10:11 pm : link
In comment 16477536 christian said:
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I think a very likely outcome is the Giants pick Nabers and stick with Jones. The Giants win 6 or so games next year and Nabers gives them a big boost on offense. Which leads to Jones in 2025.


 
christian : 4/20/2024 10:12 pm : link
If Nabers has a year like rookie Beckham, Jones will get saved.
RE: …  
bw in dc : 4/20/2024 10:16 pm : link
In comment 16477536 christian said:
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I think a very likely outcome is the Giants pick Nabers and stick with Jones. The Giants win 6 or so games next year and Nabers gives them a big boost on offense. Which leads to Jones in 2025.


I've said it most of this off-season, if a WR is selected at #6, the announcement is loud and clear from Schoen's office at 1925 GW:

Jones is our guy now and beyond.
RE: …  
Sean : 4/20/2024 10:19 pm : link
In comment 16477536 christian said:
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I think a very likely outcome is the Giants pick Nabers and stick with Jones. The Giants win 6 or so games next year and Nabers gives them a big boost on offense. Which leads to Jones in 2025.

Jones is the luckiest SOB in the history of the NFL if that is the case.

-Shurmur fired, Jones remains starter.
-Judge fired, Jones remains starter.
-New regime takes over with TWO top ten picks in a historically weak QB draft.
-Jones has a nice season in a contract year and parlays it into $82M guaranteed.
-Tyrod Taylor & Tommy DeVito win just enough games to put NYG on the outside of drafting a QB.

Has there ever been a QB who fell into a more fortunate set of circumstances?

In the far majority of situations the Jones chapter is slammed shut after 2021 but there were no QBs in that draft. It's unreal.
If Jones  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/20/2024 10:22 pm : link
is the starter with the new OL, new defense, WR corps with Nabers and the others and this team only wins 6 games, he's not coming back in 2025.

RE: If Jones  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/20/2024 10:22 pm : link
In comment 16477566 Eric from BBI said:
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is the starter with the new OL, new defense, WR corps with Nabers and the others and this team only wins 6 games, he's not coming back in 2025.


And Daboll may not be back either.
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Go Terps : 4/20/2024 10:22 pm : link
If they pick Nabers Thursday night almost everyone will be on board, talking about his grade, the value, etc.

In November when they're 3-7 and the offense is scoring 18 PPG I wonder how people are going to feel.
RE: If Jones  
Sean : 4/20/2024 10:23 pm : link
In comment 16477566 Eric from BBI said:
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is the starter with the new OL, new defense, WR corps with Nabers and the others and this team only wins 6 games, he's not coming back in 2025.

Yep. Daboll probably fired too. I'd expect Schoen to get another hire at HC.
I'll be fine with Nabers  
Ned In Atlanta : 4/20/2024 10:24 pm : link
But give me the guy who is similarly rated who by all accounts isn't going to be a pain in the ass at some point in his career
RE: .  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/20/2024 10:24 pm : link
In comment 16477569 Go Terps said:
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If they pick Nabers Thursday night almost everyone will be on board, talking about his grade, the value, etc.

In November when they're 3-7 and the offense is scoring 18 PPG I wonder how people are going to feel.


QB hell is a bitch. But taking any QB isn't going to be the answer.
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Go Terps : 4/20/2024 10:27 pm : link
In comment 16477574 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 16477569 Go Terps said:


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If they pick Nabers Thursday night almost everyone will be on board, talking about his grade, the value, etc.

In November when they're 3-7 and the offense is scoring 18 PPG I wonder how people are going to feel.



QB hell is a bitch. But taking any QB isn't going to be the answer.


The Giants don't take any QBs.
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