Ryan Dunleavy
@rydunleavy
Theres a golden rule in #NFLDraft reporting not to buy into info you hear the last week, when misdirection is highest. Im breaking it.
After a bunch of calls since Thurs, I believe:
- Drake Maye is #Giants most likely QB pick of the top 4 (Not to say he’s their No.1-ranked QB)
- I think they’d be willing to trade up for him but sounds like #Patriots and #Commanders arent moving
- I think they would strongly consider trading down if JJ McCarthy is there at 6 and #Broncos and #Vikings want to trade up.
- I’d still bet 4 QBs go in top 5 picks and so Giants end up with a great WR. Id then watch Bo Nix and Michael Penix Jr
@MoveTheSticks left NYG out of McCarthy team list and it caught my attention because so many people were in my ear about Giants and JJ since NFL Combine
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I do think there's a possibility though that if Nix or Penix falls they'll try and move back up for one of them.
Fans can bitch and moan all they want about "do something" but if the Pats want a QB, they are going to take the QB.
(1) Which QB do the Patriots prefer?
(2) Do the Giants REALLY like the 4th QB left on the board?
That's what it comes down to.
But the message they want out is "Don't worry about coming up for JJM Minnesota or Denver! We're trading out if he's there."
Hmmm.
But the message they want out is "Don't worry about coming up for JJM Minnesota or Denver! We're trading out if he's there."
Hmmm.
This may have nothing to do with the Giants wanting McCarthy too. It may be that they prefer Nabers and want someone to trade in front of them, pushing Nabers down the board.
(1) Which QB do the Patriots prefer?
(2) Do the Giants REALLY like the 4th QB left on the board?
That's what it comes down to.
From there - who is that QB sitting at 4 and what is the price for extraction from the Cards (who don't want to move really far down).
(1) Which QB do the Patriots prefer?
(2) Do the Giants REALLY like the 4th QB left on the board?
That's what it comes down to.
Yep. 100%
I will add a section 2-B
If they do not like the 4th QB, what is their actual plan for the draft?
(1) Grab a WR
(2) Trade Down
(a)to grab QB this year
(b)or gain capital for next years draft?
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To me it's that the Giants would sit there and take McCarthy at 6.
But the message they want out is "Don't worry about coming up for JJM Minnesota or Denver! We're trading out if he's there."
Hmmm.
This may have nothing to do with the Giants wanting McCarthy too. It may be that they prefer Nabers and want someone to trade in front of them, pushing Nabers down the board.
Definitely, there a bunch of different things all of these reports COULD mean.
I'm just connecting the dots on one reason why we may be hearing about a lack of interest in McCarthy.
Ryan is as reliable as they come. I'd trust everything he is saying.
But there is no way Schoen can know this.
But there is no way Schoen can know this.
I have been really thinking about this scenario a lot. Chargers and Cardinals may have a player ranked so high that they don’t want to lose them.
I think everyone is expecting a trade but the first trade may be for the Giants pick.
But there is no way Schoen can know this.
If I were one of those two teams, who already have an established QB, I would stick and pick. The Cardinals need a game changing WR and the chargers lost Allen, Williams, and Ekelar this offseason. The most likely trade would be a small trade down with the Giants while still getting a WR. I don't see either of them dropping out of the top 6.
Again, this may also be smoke as they don't want Min/Den feeling like they have to trade up above them to get him so he'll fall to 6.
At the very least, Schoen has kept everyone guessing this draft cycle.
Woops, that was in response to the Eagles tampering thread
But there is no way Schoen can know this.
As you said, they can't know. And since we're talking QB here, not knowing is as good as assuming you're going to have to deal up to get him. If they have a QB in mind, I don't see them taking chances outside of near certainty it's not needed.
If we come out of the first two rounds without a QB, I'm going to be really disappointed.
Going to be an interesting (nail-biting) first hour of the drat on Thursday.
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questions...
(1) Which QB do the Patriots prefer?
(2) Do the Giants REALLY like the 4th QB left on the board?
That's what it comes down to.
Yep. 100%
I will add a section 2-B
If they do not like the 4th QB, what is their actual plan for the draft?
(1) Grab a WR
(2) Trade Down
(a)to grab QB this year
(b)or gain capital for next years draft?
Good follow up questions.
(1) Which QB do the Patriots prefer?
(2) Do the Giants REALLY like the 4th QB left on the board?
That's what it comes down to.
(1) My guess is Drake Maye
(2) My guess is, yes, if it's J.J. McCarthy
Again, this may also be smoke as they don't want Min/Den feeling like they have to trade up above them to get him so he'll fall to 6.
At the very least, Schoen has kept everyone guessing this draft cycle.
We have competing asshat info on:
Nabers and Odunze
Maye and McCarthy
We the latter, one respected asshat here says the Giants would trade down even if Maye is there #6. Another has said the Giants don't like McCarthy that high.
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trading down if McCarthy is there at 6 surprises me. While I've had it in my head Maye was their guy, I thought they'd at least be okay with McCarthy if he fell to 6.
Again, this may also be smoke as they don't want Min/Den feeling like they have to trade up above them to get him so he'll fall to 6.
At the very least, Schoen has kept everyone guessing this draft cycle.
We have competing asshat info on:
Nabers and Odunze
Maye and McCarthy
We the latter, one respected asshat here says the Giants would trade down even if Maye is there #6. Another has said the Giants don't like McCarthy that high.
I'm more than happy with the conflicting information. Its far better than the other option which would be everyone knowing our draft plans ahead of time which was an issue under past GMs.
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which Schoen can't know is this... do the Cardinals and Chargers really want to trade down? Because if they don't, Schoen would not have to trade up.
But there is no way Schoen can know this.
I have been really thinking about this scenario a lot. Chargers and Cardinals may have a player ranked so high that they don’t want to lose them.
I think everyone is expecting a trade but the first trade may be for the Giants pick.
Agreed. There is a real possibility neither AZ or SD want to trade down with anyone, or want more than any team is willing to offer to do so.
(1) Which QB do the Patriots prefer?
(2) Do the Giants REALLY like the 4th QB left on the board?
That's what it comes down to.
(3) Do the Giants REALLY like the 4th QB left on the board any better than the 5th/6th (Nix and Penix).
To me this is the key. If not take a WR and then watch what happens. Maybe you can catch one early 2nd round, or trade back up into the 1st.
I don't know that I see those guys as bigger gambles than Maye or McCarthy, and I believe Schoen when he says "we are not a player or two away" as a reason to not sit tight and pick WR at #6.
The "other guy" would have been a better pick.
As Eric stated, NY has zero say in who anyone them selects before pick 6 so that alone will cause emotional outrage.
Also as some have said, the main difference this regime can make is moving on quickly from players that don't work out.
Trade down and get more solid players seems to be the best bet. As discussed, this team is not one or two guys away.
That will be the biggest story on BBI if the Schoen passes on McCarthy and selects a non-QB at #6 or moves down.
In essence, and assuming there is no move for Penix or Nix, this will be the final declaration that they are very comfortable moving forward with Jones.
The draft now starts in New England at #3. If Wolf is as hot on McCarthy as I think he is, then the Maye will be in play at #6.
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pick the WR or trade down if it includes a '25 #1 pick.
Yep. Denver's could prove to be a pretty good one.
I'd be happy with #12 and Surtain Jr as well.
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trading down if McCarthy is there at 6 surprises me. While I've had it in my head Maye was their guy, I thought they'd at least be okay with McCarthy if he fell to 6.
That will be the biggest story on BBI if the Schoen passes on McCarthy and selects a non-QB at #6 or moves down.
In essence, and assuming there is no move for Penix or Nix, this will be the final declaration that they are very comfortable moving forward with Jones.
The draft now starts in New England at #3. If Wolf is as hot on McCarthy as I think he is, then the Maye will be in play at #6.
I think you're making an assumption that isn't necessarily true.
The Giants may only like the three QBs who go 1-2-3.
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pick the WR or trade down if it includes a '25 #1 pick.
Yep. Denver's could prove to be a pretty good one.
I'd be happy with #12 and Surtain Jr as well.
If #6 turned into Penix and Surtain, I am a happy guy.
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pick the WR or trade down if it includes a '25 #1 pick.
Yep. Denver's could prove to be a pretty good one.
I'd be happy with #12 and Surtain Jr as well.
NO doubt. I'm just not sure how credible those reports were.
Probably not very, tbh. Surtain's an elite cornerstone talent.
I think you're making an assumption that isn't necessarily true.
The Giants may only like the three QBs who go 1-2-3.
What else is there to conclude if McCarthy is there? They would have an opportunity to replace Jones but pass. Thus, in Schoen's evaluation, Jones > McCarthy.
I don't think that's an unreasonable position to conclude.
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I think you're making an assumption that isn't necessarily true.
The Giants may only like the three QBs who go 1-2-3.
What else is there to conclude if McCarthy is there? They would have an opportunity to replace Jones but pass. Thus, in Schoen's evaluation, Jones > McCarthy.
I don't think that's an unreasonable position to conclude.
Agreed. Also it's putting more pressure on themselves, because next year will be even more make or break with getting a QB.
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trading down if McCarthy is there at 6 surprises me. While I've had it in my head Maye was their guy, I thought they'd at least be okay with McCarthy if he fell to 6.
That will be the biggest story on BBI if the Schoen passes on McCarthy and selects a non-QB at #6 or moves down.
In essence, and assuming there is no move for Penix or Nix, this will be the final declaration that they are very comfortable moving forward with Jones.
The draft now starts in New England at #3. If Wolf is as hot on McCarthy as I think he is, then the Maye will be in play at #6.
No it doesn’t and that is an assumption
It could be that he doesn’t have a conviction on the remaining options at QB in the draft
Try as you might, his decision could very well have nothing to do with DJ
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I think you're making an assumption that isn't necessarily true.
The Giants may only like the three QBs who go 1-2-3.
What else is there to conclude if McCarthy is there? They would have an opportunity to replace Jones but pass. Thus, in Schoen's evaluation, Jones > McCarthy.
I don't think that's an unreasonable position to conclude.
Well, there are people out there who think there are back-ups better than Jones.
So are we trying to draft a difference-maker at #6 or JAG?
it is simple
+1
it is simple
Sy, what would be your pick if it goes Williams, Daniels, Maye, Harrison, Alt.
McCarthy, Nabers or Odunze?