Fun to throw scenarios around...
A lot has been talked about the Vikings "jumping" the Giants for Maye or JJM. Personally, I would love to trade down if the 3 QBs + Harrison go before the Giants pick.
11 - Quinyon Mitchell
23 - Thomas Jr. / Nix / Penix
Having 3 picks in the top 50 with a team that has A LOT of holes is enticing.
I would be very unhappy if they traded down passing on a QB and only getting 11 and 23.
I think this draft is a special one and we can get first round talent at 47.
It’s a very top heavy Draft. There’s 4 QB’s, 3 elite WR’s, a blue chip LT, Bowers, and Dallas Turner. So I have 10 blue chippers, but one is a TE, and one plays a position that the Giants are loaded at and have invested a ton of resources into over the past 2 yrs.
After those 10, there is a significant drop off in talent level. I believe the Giants see it that way too - as they met with all of those guys, except Bowers. The Giants biggest premium position need (outside of QB) is wR1. Why not just take one of the best WR prospects over the past 5 yrs at 6…
I would only do it if they threw in next yrs #1
Same
without blinking you make that trade.
Obviously, if you think a franchise QB is in your lap, you take them. But I doubt they are so confident the one available to them at 6 is a guaranteed franhise QB. Three #1s instead - that goes a LONG way towards building a team.
presumably the 5 off board are 3 qbs + MHJ/Nabers with JJM the pick at 6.
so now you need 5 players you like enough at 11.
if staying at #6 and passing, alt and odunze are likely the best options to pick and they almost definitely are going to be gone at #11. dallas turner, latu, and some other OL probably also in mix in those picks.
mitchell and arnold are the 2 players i come back to because the odds are high 1 of them or both are there at #11 and CB is a premium position we know schoen valued highly both years (sauce then banks).
so to me this comes down to a philosophical decision. would you rather add an impact player on offense or an impact player on defense?
more and more i am warming to the idea of building the defense if they cant get the QBs they like. i love odunze and if alt is the next lane johnson sign me up, but if i can get an extra pick at #23 plus the next devon witherspoon, im very highly considering that as well.
Schoen would accept that trade in negative seconds
Giants could then get creative at 23, BPA.
I would do #6 for #11 and #23 and then ask them to throw in a 5th rounder or something.
I don’t think there’s anyway the Vikes would also throw in a 2025 1st. But if they do, that would be unreal.
Giants could then get creative at 23, BPA.
I would do #6 for #11 and #23 and then ask them to throw in a 5th rounder or something.
I don’t think there’s anyway the Vikes would also throw in a 2025 1st. But if they do, that would be unreal.
I'd do it for 11, 23 and their next 2nd (they don't have one this year).
I can't get past the fact that NYG had a private workout with McCarthy on Easter weekend and then met him again after that. Seems a lot of projecting going on.
I can't get past the fact that NYG had a private workout with McCarthy on Easter weekend and then met him again after that. Seems a lot of projecting going on.
Sean, to be honest man you are getting a little bit too invested in everything I say, much like some others.
What I’m saying is that the Giants do not like McCarthy as much as Maye. Would I stake my mortgage on that? No, probably not. However is it basically correct? Yes, it is.
presumably the 5 off board are 3 qbs + MHJ/Nabers with JJM the pick at 6.
so now you need 5 players you like enough at 11.
if staying at #6 and passing, alt and odunze are likely the best options to pick and they almost definitely are going to be gone at #11. dallas turner, latu, and some other OL probably also in mix in those picks.
mitchell and arnold are the 2 players i come back to because the odds are high 1 of them or both are there at #11 and CB is a premium position we know schoen valued highly both years (sauce then banks).
so to me this comes down to a philosophical decision. would you rather add an impact player on offense or an impact player on defense?
more and more i am warming to the idea of building the defense if they cant get the QBs they like. i love odunze and if alt is the next lane johnson sign me up, but if i can get an extra pick at #23 plus the next devon witherspoon, im very highly considering that as well.
Or you take Nix/Penix at 11, they might go around there to LV or Denver anyway. Then you still have another 1st rd pick at #23 to pick a WR/DT/CB. Lots of depth at WR, so I may wait until the 2nd and grab a DT/CB.
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Ryan, you continue to speak in facts that NYG doesn't like McCarthy. Instead, I just think *you* don't like McCarthy and you assume NYG shares your opinion.
I can't get past the fact that NYG had a private workout with McCarthy on Easter weekend and then met him again after that. Seems a lot of projecting going on.
Sean, to be honest man you are getting a little bit too invested in everything I say, much like some others.
What I’m saying is that the Giants do not like McCarthy as much as Maye. Would I stake my mortgage on that? No, probably not. However is it basically correct? Yes, it is.
Come on, how is it “basically correct”? First of all it’s either right or it’s not, there is no equivocation, and secondly, none of us know who the Giants prefer at QB. It’s fine to speculate, we all are, but to act like you know things others don’t is silly.
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Ryan, you continue to speak in facts that NYG doesn't like McCarthy. Instead, I just think *you* don't like McCarthy and you assume NYG shares your opinion.
I can't get past the fact that NYG had a private workout with McCarthy on Easter weekend and then met him again after that. Seems a lot of projecting going on.
Sean, to be honest man you are getting a little bit too invested in everything I say, much like some others.
What I’m saying is that the Giants do not like McCarthy as much as Maye. Would I stake my mortgage on that? No, probably not. However is it basically correct? Yes, it is.
So you would not stake you mortgage on something that is "basically correct" ??
The BBI asshats have said Maye.
GoDeep said McCarthy, and then basically literally admitted he was lying.
The BBI asshats have said Maye.
GoDeep said McCarthy, and then basically literally admitted he was lying.
GoDeep didn’t say McCarthy, he said the reports that the Giants liked JJM were a smokescreen. Prettyrickey said that the Giants interest in JJM was real, so you’re just choosing which asshat you want to believe. That’s fine, but don’t act like you know something others don’t.
The BBI asshats have said Maye.
GoDeep said McCarthy, and then basically literally admitted he was lying.
He admitted he was lying, really? How come?
Yeah so would everybody. They aren't trading him though.
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Section and Steel, again, you are failing to recognize the asshats and are now just arguing with me to be a dick.
The BBI asshats have said Maye.
GoDeep said McCarthy, and then basically literally admitted he was lying.
GoDeep didn’t say McCarthy, he said the reports that the Giants liked JJM were a smokescreen. Prettyrickey said that the Giants interest in JJM was real, so you’re just choosing which asshat you want to believe. That’s fine, but don’t act like you know something others don’t.
Not trying to get into the middle of this catfight, but I just can't find where Rickey says the Giants like JJM more than Maye? I've read all his stuff, and I see where the Pats like Maye and maybe JJM, and where Minny likes Maye and is trying to trade up, and some comments on the Giants and Maye. Can you just give me direction where to look (you don't need to find it for me)? I am neutral on the QBs but am just trying to take in everyones opinion.
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Section and Steel, again, you are failing to recognize the asshats and are now just arguing with me to be a dick.
The BBI asshats have said Maye.
GoDeep said McCarthy, and then basically literally admitted he was lying.
He admitted he was lying, really? How come?
What he actually said was (and its in the associated thread) that he'd been told what to say and what not to say. He then said the Giants like JJM and would trade out of the spot if it was Maye. I then asked why the Giants would allow him to post this on an internet website, basically how does the world knowing the Giants don't like Maye help them. Then he came back and said maybe what he was saying was a smokescreen. Also Eric jumped in then with "wink wink"0. So in the end it was pretty unclear, and just seems like they are putting out different reports to different people.
In fact in a comment by Daboll he said as much, he said he has been reading the mock drafts to see who is saying what because they say different things to different people (paraphrasing I took this as they can track the leaks).
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Same
Me too.
You make that trade if you want someone else at 6 over JJ (Odunze/Nabers/Alt etc). You need to get enough back (11, 23, MN 3) to allow you to trade back up and get your guy. (11, Giants 3, MN 3). The net of that would be #23 for your #3 pick.
Least likely - you think the player you get at 11 will be pretty much as good as the player you would have gotten at 6. The net would be the difference between those two vs #23 and anything else you got.
To me it looks like the first two tiers seem to be - Caleb,Daniels,Maye, JJM,MHJ,Odunze,Nabers,Alt. A mix of possibilities after that with OT and Edge options at the top of tier 3.
Let’s say Nabers is the next Justin Jefferson; do you still make this trade? I wouldn’t.